Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Politics  > Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 126
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...Page 6 of 16    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)

Well, of course... It's all about trying to snatch some small crumb from the lion's mouth to hold up as "the spoils of triumph"... The cost of that is irrelevant...


Talk about bs. Try living in reality. This isn't the 1800's.

You guys can't even face reality that 12% of the population is going to be in some level of poverty no matter wtf you do. There isn't anything anyone can do to get below that number. The number of wealthy in the country is significantly greater then at any other point in time (not counting encomic bubbles).

The only thing leftists do is destroy everything and suck the life out of everything and everyone until it all collapses.

Stop destroying the world with your idiotic salvation.

This is what poverty looks like
http://uglyblackjohn.blogspot.com/2011/11/luxury-of-poverty-in-america.html

It does not exist in this country. Not because of you. In spite of you.

This is what leftists do to an economy with their good help
http://www.businessinsider.com/american-slums-2011-4?op=1

You create poverty with your help.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 127
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/15/2012 3:00:40 PM
Where's the defense budget cutting??? I've given you a "boatload" of area's to look a..yet, you come back with the same ole shyte or try to change the subject...well let me clue you...the subject is obstructionism...and the reguglicant GOP are masters of obstructionism..and it seems they teach their minions well...what you refuse to see is that an increasing Majority of American's are starting to see thru the shyte, starting with the fiscal cliff, and next will be the debt ceiling...the Majority of Americans aren't happy with the GOP and it's obstructionism.


<div class="quote">How many aircraft carriers, subs, battle ships, aircraft, and tanks do we need??? We have more aircraft carriers than next 9 countries combined..yet, we're still building them...we have more attack and ballistic subs than the total in the rest of the world...but we're still building 2 per year...we continually are developing new aircraft to the tune of billions of dollars that may or may not ever get used....we have more military bases throughout the world than the rest of the world has on their own homelands...our intelligence gathering community is larger than the combined rest of the world...

Ya think with all that one might be able to pick a bone...but, nope...there's only the social safty net to consider...which, by the way...get's pared down every year...medicare is the most efficient healthcare carrier in the country with 4% admistration costs...greatly beating out the average 20% administration cost of private healthcare...of course providing quality healthcare takes a backseat to defense spending in the eyes of the repuglicant...because providing all those defense jobs and picking defense contractor winners is more important...let's talk about Solandra instead...
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 128
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/15/2012 3:21:06 PM
This is what leftists do to an economy with their good help
http://www.businessinsider.com/american-slums-2011-4?op=1

You create poverty with your help.

THAT'S your support...?!? Oh Lord thundering Jesus...

Did you not bother to read this before you posted it...?

Urban gentrification is one factor driving poor people out of cities. Other factors include immigration dynamics, the availability of affordable housing and the decentralization of jobs that pay lower wages.

http://www.businessinsider.com/american-slums-2011-4?op=1

And all of that is part and parcel of the "leftist" agenda in what way...? Most of it sounds pretty right-wing capitalist to me...

It does not exist in this country. Not because of you. In spite of you.
....
This is what leftists do to an economy with their good help

No... This is what poverty looked like in the US before the good help... I won't bother to show you the images of Appalachian or Ozark country before the good help, even you should be old enough to have some familiarity with those...

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/photography/history/precurseurs/jacob-riis/010_jacob-riis_theredlist.jpg

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/photography/history/precurseurs/jacob-riis/018_jacob-riis_theredlist.jpg

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/photography/history/precurseurs/jacob-riis/008_jacob-riis_theredlist.jpg

http://theredlist.fr/media/database/photography/history/precurseurs/jacob-riis/006_jacob-riis_theredlist.jpg
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 129
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/15/2012 8:04:41 PM

How many aircraft carriers, subs, battle ships, aircraft, and tanks do we need??? We have more aircraft carriers than next 9 countries combined..yet, we're still building them...we have more attack and ballistic subs than the total in the rest of the world...but we're still building 2 per year...we continually are developing new aircraft to the tune of billions of dollars that may or may not ever get used....we have more military bases throughout the world than the rest of the world has on their own homelands...our intelligence gathering community is larger than the combined rest of the world...


I agree that some of these things can be addressed. But the problem I said before is that I am not knowledgable enough to know if these changes are the same damn thing as cutting entitlements. Shift the 'savings' from one place to another... such as high tech.

The threats we are facing now are different and Obama's current approach of whack-a-mole with drones is ludicrous. Haven't you noticed that Al-Queda is rising again... No one mentions it but they are related to just about every incident in multiple countries now. So, yes I am not going to pretend to be an arm chair general.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/09/world/asia/pakistan-al-qaeda-killed/index.html

Someone has to see that this as military strikes in countries that we are not at war with... why the hell don't you guys care about that?

I explained my position with Debt and our entitlement spending vs short term federal projects. One is an ongoing debt while the other has revenue and economic possibilites.

I would rather see a block on federal health exchanges at the federal level and see an increase in state taxes to compensate.

I would rather see a lowering of medicare at federal level and an increase in state taxes to compensate. The state agencies can interact with each other but not through federal taxes for that program.

Federal can monitor and ensure function but not provide.

The military is the entire US acting as one for a specific purpose. It is one of the primary roles of the federal government. Providing healthcare isn't. There is an understanding for social security that was agreed upon a long time ago and it is true that after the age of employment economic participation through work becomes much less likely. I don't want to be a slave in my retirement years either.

Another part you guys keep blatantly ignoring... Government and the people in it at the decision level quite often become corrupted and abusive with money and power. It is just how it is.
http://www.caintv.com/obamas-day-million-dollar-hawa

Each year, the first family heads to the placid beaches of Hawaii for a Christmas dream vacation. This year is no exception. Since he won reelection, he'll be billing the taxpayers for a staggering $4 million worth of sandy beaches, tropical cocktails, and sun.


Being president sure pays well now doesn't it.

But don't worry.. he cares about the fiscal cliff in his heart.

If you get the socialist utopia... it won't be run by the people. It will be run by the 1% of power and authority that get to decide what is and is not fair for you. Just like you are deciding that 35% is not fair so 38% is more fair. It is just plain ridiculous and shortsighted.

Leftists raise bad societies and bad societies have bad people and bad things occur and then it becomes common place then people get scared and the only thing ever blamed is economics of one class abusing another. People get scared and then vote for those that lie and promise what they can not possibly provide and then in doing so require that people give up their freedom to secure their safety. It is just they way of the world.

Have you ever once considered that being leftist is the highest form of greed that exists? It is not enough to make your own way in the world you must force others to provide. Not through charity or human nature but by force of law and by punishment of law. Always using the language of compassion behind the threat of a government gun or violent overthrow. Always claiming the cause of the weak while using them to force others out of their property. Praying on the humanity of people to enforce a rule of punishment over everyone deemed 'too successful'. You want it for others in the name of yourself. You have never once thought about your ideology. It is the literally the religion of man. Just as bad as Islamist in desire for power which is why the outcome always ends up so bad.

Equality only occurs through force. Always has.

That is as much as I have. Your taxes will be won. No conservative value has ever won this level of confrontational war. They always concede. It never works out better for society either. But, you will win. I have no doubt. You will win even if it costs you the world.

The 1800's and heavy unrestricted capitalism built the country. That is what it is good at. That growth was led by a very few people. That is not who the country is anymore and to take the middle ground difference where we are and turn to total progressivisim is as great of an evil to humanity then any slave owner ever was to a slave. You just don't seem to get that part. Or don't care. I'm betting you just don't care. You will force your will on the minority. It is what you do.

Be happy, you got what you voted for. It will just not be enough.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 130
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 5:49:34 AM
You seem to have the pure right-wing, pejorative, distorted view of liberalism and "leftist" definition stick in your head. This is the version which was written, not by those on the left, but by those on the other extreme, who want to manipulate everyone into seeing balance as a tilted distortion, and equality and justice as manipulated prejudiced outcomes.

The people you are listening to, are those who themselves have manipulated the system to favor themselves, and when someone asks for the manipulation to cease, they pretend that having the game rigged to favor them, is normal and natural.

It is functionally identical to those who think that a given race or nationality is inherently lower than theirs is, and that the fact that laws have been written over the years to enforce that inequality are natural confirmations of the real inequality they perceive.

Leftists such as you describe, aren't calling for hard-working people to give all they earned over to those who are too lazy to work themselves. They are instead calling for the system that has artificially been twisted by the powerful to enrich themselves, to be adjusted back, and that the money taken unfairly from the people who did do all the work, to be given back to them.

In short, since you are blind to the theft committed by the folks with all the wealth and power, when someone calls for them to give back what they stole, you follow the lead of the thieves themselves, and blame the victims.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 131
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 6:28:57 AM
Why is it that as a nation we Americans spend twice as much as all the other industrialized nations on healthcare per person? Is this not a real cost to every American taxpayer?


I would rather see a lowering of medicare at federal level and an increase in state taxes to compensate

I would rather see a block on federal health exchanges at the federal level and see an increase in state taxes to compensate.



Classic...a shift of the tax burden to the states...and then the states may or may not actually provide medicare of health exchanges.


Someone has to see that this as military strikes in countries that we are not at war with... why the hell don't you guys care about that?


Because we are targeting actual top Al Qaeda targets and not going to war with machinery and boots on the ground.


I agree that some of these things can be addressed. But the problem I said before is that I am not knowledgable enough to know if these changes are the same damn thing as cutting entitlements. Shift the 'savings' from one place to another... such as high tech.


So, continued building of aircraft carriers and subs are high on your list of things we need...to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars each....clearly you have opinions on all other aspects of the economy without being an expert on the subject and have no problem voicing those opinions...so, why is it defense spending is off your radar??? I'm smelling another GOP chicken hawk.


Each year, the first family heads to the placid beaches of Hawaii for a Christmas dream vacation. This year is no exception. Since he won reelection, he'll be billing the taxpayers for a staggering $4 million worth of sandy beaches, tropical****ails, and sun.


Are you serious??? EVERY president goes on vacation...and every president takes a security detail along with them...this is the cost...Bush was the most vacationed president in recent times...and the cost of taking his security detail tio Kennebunkport ME was the same...but, don't let facts get in your way...it's inconvinient.


The 1800's and heavy unrestricted capitalism built the country


Golly...most of us and history thought it was the industrial revolution that made this country what it is today...but, another rewrite of history is always how repuglicants get their message out.


You will force your will on the minority. It is what you do.


As the winner take all repuglicant you are...I'm not quite sure what your complaint is here...but, just so we're clear this is what has happened when the GOP was the majority...

And while we're at it...it is a historical fact that repuglicans have statistically spent more while in office than democrats...so, if you are a true fiscal conservative, then you should be happy now.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 132
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 7:56:07 AM

Someone has to see that this as military strikes in countries that we are not at war with... why the hell don't you guys care about that?

So true.

Though the problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly other countries can acquire nuclear weapons and we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.

So lets spend a ton of cash we don't have and when it is all over just blame the poor people and social welfare programs and all will be sunshine and lollipops.




Leftists raise bad societies and bad societies have bad people and bad things occur and then it becomes common place then people get scared and the only thing ever blamed is economics of one class abusing another...

It also should be noted that leftists are responsible for bogeymen and evil monkeys that may or may not reside in your closet.

Though I am sure there are many people in Scandinavian countries that know you do not have one sweet clue what you are talking about as it is clearly based on pure derp.




...People get scared and then vote for those that lie and promise what they can not possibly provide and then in doing so require that people give up their freedom to secure their safety. It is just they way of the world.

Do you mean like how Bush lied to get the USA into a bogus war along with using 9/11 as a backdrop from removing many freedoms?




The 1800's and heavy unrestricted capitalism built the country. That is what it is good at. That growth was led by a very few people...

Yeah and it was done with slave labor, but hey do not let silly facts get in the way of your capitalism wet dream.

History, it is like you either do not actually understand it, or you are just repeating right wing talking points and really have no idea what you are saying, because if you did you would be able to see the glaring contradictions in your words.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 133
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 8:24:15 AM

In short, since you are blind to the theft committed by the folks with all the wealth and power, when someone calls for them to give back what they stole, you follow the lead of the thieves themselves, and blame the victims.


I hope you are right. Not sure how I am blind to it. It is about power. I don't like monopolies and the left is lovingly creating the largest one that has ever existed. It will be run by those with wealth and power on both the right and the left. Are you really sure it is me that is blind? It is amazing to see how everyone seems to be acting like there will never be a republican elected. All the power you grant to democrats you also grant to their opponents.

The % rise that will be conceded in taxes is just to make you feel good. Give you that 'feeling of power' over the rich.

To bad there is no way to prove that I said they would concede before ever hearing about this.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/15/1170523/-BREAKING-Boehner-Caves-He-ll-Let-Taxes-Rise-for-Rich

Politico calls it "a major concession." And since he hasn't specified what the "major" entitlement cuts are to be, let's hope they're not that major after all.


So, I hope you are right. I really do. I just don't think you are.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 134
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 9:11:07 AM
The % rise that will be conceded in taxes is just to make you feel good. Give you that 'feeling of power' over the rich.


Of course you think that a rise in taxes from 35% to 38.5% equates in the 2% actually paying these rates when reality is that the 2% generally pay 15% and effectively less when they are all said and done...while you and I generally start out at 28% and end up at an effective rate of 22-25%...it's not the raise in rates that will effect the 2%...it's doing away with the 15% rate on capital gains and dividends that have the 2% scared....all the bullshyte about raising the rate from 35 to 38.5% is just that-bullshyte
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 135
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 9:24:39 AM

Of course you think that a rise in taxes from 35% to 38.5% equates in the 2% actually paying these rates when reality is that the 2% generally pay 15% and effectively less when they are all said and done...while you and I generally start out at 28% and end up at an effective rate of 22-25%...it's not the raise in rates that will effect the 2%...it's doing away with the 15% rate on capital gains and dividends that have the 2% scared....all the bullshyte about raising the rate from 35 to 38.5% is just that-bullshyte


So now your going to turn around and use my same argument and claim it was yours all along. WTF man. That was Romney's argument also. You can lower the rate and still collect more by dealing with the deductions and loopholes. WTF is this... bizzarroworld?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 136
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 9:41:36 AM
So now your going to turn around and use my same argument and claim it was yours all along. WTF man. That was Romney's argument also. You can lower the rate and still collect more by dealing with the deductions and loopholes. WTF is this... bizzarroworld?


Clearly, you have no idea what is going on...so, let me explain this to you...along with the Bush rates going away...is a rise in the capital gain and dividend rate and a return to the AMT rate...I thought you knew this but, clearly you don't...

Anyway, Boner isn't proposing raising the capital gain or dividend rate...he wants to take away the mortgage deduction...which would effect most of middle class America...again I thought you knew this...are you just playing dumb ????
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 137
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 10:11:03 AM

he wants to take away the mortgage deduction...which would effect most of middle class America...again I thought you knew this...are you just playing dumb ????


I must be dumb. Looking it up on Google and I see references to it as 'feared, fret, etc' and reading I don't find what you claim at all.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49975148/Mortgage_Interest_Deduction_Once_a_Sacred_Cow_Is_Under_Scrutiny

One of the reasons the mortgage tax break is so vulnerable is that both Democrats and Republicans have recently favored capping deductions, including both President Obama and the recent Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.

What is more, deductions could be used to grease a compromise in the budget negotiations. High earners would be hit most by deduction limits, something that might make Republicans recoil. But the party may tolerate such a policy in return for a deal that limits how much actual tax rates go up for high-income households.

Taken on its own, the deduction limit wouldn't make a huge difference. But it can play an important role in a broad plan to cut the deficit, and shows a willingness to tackle once sacred cows. The tax numbers suggest it may not be hard to structure deduction limits in a way that leaves most middle-income households untouched


Seems like Obama wants part of that action.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 138
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 10:22:04 AM

I must be dumb. Looking it up on Google and I see references to it as 'feared, fret, etc' and reading I don't find what you claim at all.


LOL...of course it's feared...because this is the only deduction takeaway that has ever been discussed by the GOP... because Boner has never said what he's proposing for deduction takeaways...and that his revenue number comes to $800 billion...and we know how bad repuglicant math is...the only way to get to $800 billion is to take away the mortgage deduction for all of America...we democrats aren't so blind as to not see where this all goes...so, don't tell us what you are actually proposing...because we know what what you are proposing...remove the mortgage deduction,,and by doing so...you will further drive down "my" property values along with the rest of middle class America.

So, while you were frantically googling did you educate yourself on what happens when the Bush rates go away...did you finally realize that a return to the former ATM income levels happen...and that the reduction of capital gains and dividend rates go away...becuse, most informed ppl already knew this..
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 139
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 10:30:36 AM
I already conceded.

You just don't know that you have already conceded also. You will be able to tell by how angry you are. It will never be enough.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 140
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 11:20:34 AM

I already conceded.


You did..I must have missed that concession when the only things you said were:



So now your going to turn around and use my same argument and claim it was yours all along. WTF man. That was Romney's argument also. You can lower the rate and still collect more by dealing with the deductions and loopholes. WTF is this... bizzarroworld?


Was this your concession????


I must be dumb. Looking it up on Google and I see references to it as 'feared, fret, etc' and reading I don't find what you claim at all.


Was this the concession???


Seems like Obama wants part of that action.


Perhaps I needed to read between the lines, because I see no concession here either..

But, while were on the topic of mortgage deductions...President Obama does want to do away with the mortgage deduction...for the top 2% only...so, you are sort of correct here.


You will be able to tell by how angry you are.


ROFLMAO...I now ghet it...there was no concession...just another repuglicant deflection when proven wrong...and the only concession is to tell the person who pointed where you were wrong is to then say he is angry...how repuglicant.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
Msg: 141
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 11:34:35 AM
If folks want tax fairness
going over the fiscal cliff is best.

The 2% get their much higher tax rate back.
Capital gain taxes goes back up too.

Tax rates go back to the Clinton Era.
It will be like Bush was never elected.
A win/win for the nation.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 142
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 8:18:49 PM
Too many threads get deleted. If the government cannot start looking at what is right for the public then how is anyone to feel voting helps at all?

They need to do what is right for a change.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 143
view profile
History
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/16/2012 10:41:43 PM

Tax rates go back to the Clinton Era.
It will be like Bush was never elected.
A win/win for the nation


As long as you agree to go back to Clintor Era spending also. All bushes entitlements and obamas spending wiped out. Then you can say it was like he was never elected.

But... I'm done.

tired of the circular argument.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 144
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/17/2012 7:19:43 AM
Now it appears that there is some give and take in the "Cliff" discussions, unlike here.

Boehner has, apparently, offered up raising the tax rate on those making $1 million and more from 35% to 39.6% (I'd mis-stated the percentages before). While President Obama has proposed $400 billion in cuts to medicare and medicaid....while the two sides are miles apart-it's a start.
 mungojoe
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 145
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/17/2012 3:50:37 PM

While President Obama has proposed $400 billion in cuts to medicare and medicaid....

There you go...

Add $350B from defence, $200B from discretionary, $200B from SSI and $200B in new taxes and you'll cross that line from deficit to "just barely" surplus...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 146
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/20/2012 6:16:37 PM
hahahahahaha

Boner had to table Plan B...the teapublicans wouldn't support it...

The only thing Boner can propose is no new taxes...or something that has enough "moderate" republican support that the President and the rest of the Democrat House will support.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 147
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/20/2012 9:22:56 PM
Well boner, plan B, is history...they hurt Meals on Wheels(seniors) and some other social program..then adjourned for christmas...

The Boner is history! IMO...he put such effort into this, that it is a farce. Led by the teabaggers, they decided to rebel to the peoples wishes as demonstrated by the election.

So the last 6 weeks of negoiatitions were a farce. It was just a sham, a political cannard for the sake of publicity.

So now we will go over the cliff...slope or whatever you want to call it. Does it matter? Well not really...not at this point in time. Because they have ONE more chance to fix this in the new year...that's why the market gave up it's earlier gain in the day, and closed lower.

Now, what will happen? Well the republicants will either plunge us into recession, by not dealing with the issues at hand. Or will make a one minute after the fact deal.

This bodes well for 2014...it means that actually we woul have a 9+% unemployment rate by year end 2013...which should translate into a republicant rout, in the mid term elections....maybe even a long term elimination of the party as a force in the future...

Sorry, in todays conservative world, there are NO moderates...only the extremes....

Hoping all of you have a happy holiday...and you can look forward to the end of this extremist, almost terrorist viewpoint of the current conservative movement...such a shame or sham end to a great party....

frankly, I'm glad I lived to see it...not since McCarthy has a group so needed to be run out of washington....
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 148
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/21/2012 5:42:34 AM
This bodes well for 2014...it means that actually we woul have a 9+% unemployment rate by year end 2013...which should translate into a republicant rout, in the mid term elections....maybe even a long term elimination of the party as a force in the future...


So this is how it goes...the teaparty wags the GOP dog...will they push us over the cliff with no new taxes-and by doing so raise taxes on all Americans??? My guess is that political fallout won't be forgotten come 2014...seldom in political history has one small group held the rest hostage as the teapublicans now are doing.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 149
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/21/2012 7:30:42 AM
It's amazing to me, that listening to the mind numbing drivel coming out from the republicants, "the president should...", when HE won the election, run on this VERY issue.

The tea-party terrorists are indeed the problem here. These people are not about governing. They are nothing more than 'in government lobbyists' for the rich, like the Koch brothers! You don't see either of them, walking around in silly hats with teabags stappled to them. Oh no, they merely shape the message and will allow their own constituency, to suffer a return to recession. It won't hurt them, or their business. They will merely downsize the business, by laying off more people.

Funny the excuses we hear. Last year when we were forced into various deals, we had to accept republicants dictated deals. They smugly pushed these things through, and pointed to the upcoming presidential election. Now that it is passed, the election won resoundingly, they want to ignore it and the will of the MAJORITY of americans.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 150
Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...
Posted: 12/21/2012 8:20:36 AM

they want to ignore it and the will of the MAJORITY of americans.


Lets not forget that the GOP is beholden to the whims of big enterprise; and they are still obligated to follow their will given all the money they accepted from them. Any kind of meaningful compromise of the part of Boehner is gonna be viewed as a "cave in" by his masters, and be characterized as turn-coats. No doubt that would cost them dearly when it comes to getting political contributions, as their pledges will ring hollow.

At, best, the GOP will hold out to the last minute(in a Custer-like finish) before they will make concessions; or to prove their undying loyalty (to big business) they will just let us go over the cliff; and worry about the fall out later.
Show ALL Forums  > Politics  > Can Republicans permit us to suffer the cliff...