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 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 51
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oh hell it's a "do anything it's OK " Kardashian Society now so let's make every drug legal.

Then the Libs will fulfill their goal of destroying America in one fell swoop.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 52
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/2/2015 9:57:18 AM

1)convincing adults not to "stone and drive". you'd think this would be obvious, but look at drinking and driving...a lot of money and effort went into that, and STILL you have to do more advertising to convince people that, yes, "buzzed driving" is the same as drunk driving. Now there'll have to be PSA's on "how much is too much", which leads us to problem #2


How is that a new thing?

So not sure how legalization would change that.




2) there isn't any real FDA testing on "how much is too much". Many primary care physicians aren't thrilled about handing out prescriptions to a drug that hasn't undergone a whole lot of testing. What exactly does it react to? no one's sure. but they sure heard some wives' tales.


Seriously that is a bit of reffer madness, because there has been tons of testing and most of it was buried under the rug when it was discovered that the science did not coincide with the political agenda of the day.

As the Shafer report stated in 1972. After the Commission's widespread study and analysis, it concluded that "Looking only at the effects on the individual, there, is little proven danger of physical or psychological harm from the experimental or intermittent use of the natural preparations of cannabis."




3)Taxation. Check out tobacco, an addictive substance. What's the history of taxation on a product people can't simply turn away from? up, up, up. And what about sticking a filter on the end? What are the odds you'll one day buy a blunt that has a filter on it?


Problem with that statement is, weed is not chemically addictive.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 53
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/2/2015 3:29:34 PM
HFX RGB

I think you misunderstood what go mustang was alluding to. In my State the legal alcohol limit for driving is 0.05. Anything over that and you are screwed. What they are saying that is any level over 0.05 and your ability to drive safely is impaired. The police now have the ability to test for MJ and if you test positive you get a 6 month licence suspension. If your BAC is 0.13 you loses your licence for 13 months and so on.
I think that is a discrepancy because it is saying that we really don't know at what level of MJ consumption impairs your ability to drive safely. A person who has a BACsay 0.08 would lose their licence for 8 months and may be less impaired than a heavy cannabis user who only loses their licence for 6 months.

The jury is still out on whether MJ is chemically addictive or not. Some studies say it is and some say it isn't. What is known is that it physchologically addictive for some people. In NZ they did a study and tested the IQS of 18 Yo's who were regular cannabis users. 20 years later they tested their IQS again and found that on average the people who had been regular cannabis users for those 20 years IQs had dropped by 8 points. Not a lot, however this indicates that long term cannabis use may reduce a person's cognitive ability.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 1/2/2015 4:30:52 PM

The jury is still out on whether MJ is chemically addictive or not. Some studies say it is and some say it isn't. What is known is that it physchologically addictive for some people. In NZ they did a study and tested the IQS of 18 Yo's who were regular cannabis users. 20 years later they tested their IQS again and found that on average the people who had been regular cannabis users for those 20 years IQs had dropped by 8 points. Not a lot, however this indicates that long term cannabis use may reduce a person's cognitive ability.


Well, the problem with this statement is there are so MANY problems with this statement!!!! LOL

First of all, without ALL of the pertinent info in such a longitudinal study, the "conclusion" is weak at best....
Secondly, IQ tests have been called into question almost since their inception as being biased on a variety of levels and are basically considered to be on a level SLIGHTLY above anecdotal evidence at this point in time....

As far as marijuana being "chemically addictive"...I would be interested in seeing some of these studies that you have indicated...As far as I know it is a FACT, and NOT a theory, that it is NOT physically addictive, but CAN be psychologically addictive...which HAS been proven by repeated testing and validation of the results...
I'm certain that you're aware that cognitive ability is reduced by MANY factors as we age, all of which are a natural part of the body's process of deterioration, and/or exacerbated by disease processes and pathology...Many different things can also contribute to premature deterioration of cognitive function such as alcohol consumption, cigarette smoking, chronic stress, for women, menopause...and the list goes on....

As far as people driving while stoned, and testing being done, well, we did it for alcohol and can do it for pot as well....As you mentioned there already exists testing for pot, at this point it's about figuring out whether or not the person can be classified as being "impaired", depending on what level they test at....

Legalization IS the only way to go imo....

Taxes can be collected, crime will be reduced and charges can be laid appropriately not to mention, a VERY useful drug can FINALLY stop being "demonized" and become more freely available to those who are in need, especially these days when getting in ANYWHERE to see a specialist is a minimum wait of several months to a YEAR...here in Quebec for the last several years...Unless you're dying of course or have a prior health situation that has already been established and treated at least once before....
Also, many doctors no longer want to prescribe ANY kind of pain medications, especially after the debacles that occurred with drugs like Oxycontin, and pot IS a viable and much less "risky" proposition for both patient and Dr. in that regard.

I find it interesting that pot has been around for a REALLY long time, we have few if any facts to support ANY negative claims regarding it's long-term use, (please save the whole "schizophrenic argument", if anyone is so inclined, because what many of those studies on the alleged links between pot use and sudden-onset schizophrenia failed to report is that using ALCOHOL can produce the EXACT SAME RESULTS...Also this is in a small group of individuals who WILL most likely develop this horrible illness due to a PREVIOUSLY DEFECTIVE GENE....unless, of course they NEVER in their lives consume ANY alcohol, pot or narcotics, including those prescribed by a Dr....), and there is SO much opposition STILL to legalization, yet both here in Canada as well as the U.S. there have been MANY drugs that have been pushed through, marketed and sold to unsuspecting consumers by pharmaceutical companies for YEARS now that serious problems are being found ONLY once the damage has been done to the individual taking them.

Another "interesting fact" is that pot was originally criminalized due to special interest groups, (Liquor companies), who were being thwarted from selling their products during Prohibition, and were determined to retain their own consumer base, and NOT have them all running off and smoking pot....and NOT drinking alcohol....lol
When Prohibition ended, marijuana was NOT an "industry", and there were no lobbyists to bring it back to the "non-criminal" status of pre -Prohibition, like there were with alcohol....

I suspect that there's STILL some of THAT hanging around, only now it's also probably enjoying the support that BILLIONS of dollars of pharmaceutical money with their OWN "special" interests at stake, have added to the game....
Whatever would happen if ANYONE could just grow their OWN pot in their backyard, LEGALLY???

Well they might not need as much Tylenol, Advil, Aspirin, etc, for their joint pain, back pain, anti-nausea, etc....
And what about all of the sedatives, sleep aids and anti-depressants????
Ever read the pamphlet that comes with THOSE, explaining their side effects???? It's a GIVEN that one of the things listed will be DEATH!!!!

But if pot were legal...you would be able to use it for ALL of those purposes, and the side effects?
PERHAPS some memory loss, PERHAPS some minor cognitive impairment,(both inconclusive and unproven) and quite LIKELY that you would need a snack AND a nap, or (gasp!), even BOTH!!!....

Yeah, for me this is one of those "no-brainer" type deals....

The argument is a logical one....and along the same lines as legalizing prostitution...There are more benefits to be had by legalization than by not, due to some archaic notion of morality, a "historic hangover", or pseudo-scientific "proof" by groups that have FAR too much at stake in the outcome to be considered reliable and/or trustworthy, and, I suspect, are playing "fast and loose" with the actual facts....
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 55
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/2/2015 5:14:29 PM
Lol HFX.I couldn't respond till today.That's what happens when you do mad googling on drugs! :)
Cannabis and hemp are different names for the same plant,which has many genes.OK,take some seed from Copper Head Road up to Halifax.Plant and let them do their thing and produce seed.Repeat for a few years.The plants that could mature seeds in the shorter season will dominate.Obviously a plant from south east Asia that takes a min of 10 months would never have a chance while a Hindu Kush plant would and ruderalis might dominate.The origin of the French plants I cannot recall.

@Dee
The only problem I see is the potency.Its just too high... :)
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 56
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/2/2015 5:18:57 PM

I think that is a discrepancy because it is saying that we really don't know at what level of MJ consumption impairs your ability to drive safely. A person who has a BACsay 0.08 would lose their licence for 8 months and may be less impaired than a heavy cannabis user who only loses their licence for 6 months.


There are a million different prescriptions pills people take, is there a threshold for each of them?

Or do police force use field test to determine if someone is impaired and then if so process from there.

The whole we can not deal with the consequences all go out the window when you look to Colorado.




The jury is still out on whether MJ is chemically addictive or not.



Yeah like it is still out on climate change. Weed is not addictive, that boat sailed long ago.




n NZ they did a study and tested the IQS of 18 Yo's who were regular cannabis users. 20 years later they tested their IQS again and found that on average the people who had been regular cannabis users for those 20 years IQs had dropped by 8 points. Not a lot, however this indicates that long term cannabis use may reduce a person's cognitive ability.


There also have been studies with the effects of sugar and caffeine that produce the same results.

Also the facts clearly show that when it is legalized the use among kids goes down. So even more reason to make it legal.
 Countryheart1967
Joined: 5/19/2014
Msg: 57
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Posted: 1/2/2015 5:54:26 PM

Is there a threshold for each of them?


There is in my state (Pa.), well, sort of.
We have "Driving while impaired (DWI) and driving under the influence (DUI). Alcohol is not specified in either one and both can be used to cover pretty much anything, it's up to the officer to dtermine (initially) if one is impaired or not.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 58
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Posted: 1/2/2015 7:04:58 PM
@calguy...
Yeah...I hear those hookers can be oooovvver the TOP!!! LMAO

j/k....

Yanno...as far as potency...in all seriousness, it depends on the type of pot, the amount/frequency of use, and there are the same differences with alcohol...with the exception that even with all of this alleged increased potency of the pot today I keep hearing about...there are STILL no documented cases of an overdose of ANY KIND from marijuana, or any real documented/definitive health consequences from it...
Whereas with alcohol on the other hand....

All I'm saying is that I just find it strange that alcohol which IS physically addictive, WILL definitely cause many health issues if used in large amounts and/or on a regular basis, is responsible for MILLIONS OF DEATHS directly attributed to it's use/misuse, annually, etc is perfectly legal and regulated...and NOBODY would EVER consider another move like in the earlier part of the 20th century towards a blanket prohibition of it from consumption by the population in general...despite all of those VERY "good" reasons to do exactly that...

And then there's pot....with ZERO chance of physical addiction, ZERO documented history of either overdoses and/or Death attributed to it, etc. as well as OVERWHELMING documented and anecdotal evidence that it has proven to be HELPFUL for a large variety of health issues to date, and yet it is STILL being demonized and treated on par with other drugs (narcotics) like Heroin, Cocaine, etc. Despite the fact that it is NOT a narcotic, or a stimulant but an hallucinogenic. Not to mention clogging up our legal system with a large number of criminal charges for simple possession that are of NO consequence to society as a whole and only cost the taxpayer more money...

It defies logic for me and frankly I find it an embarrassment in this day and age that such irrational beliefs/political agendas/baseless fear is preventing a vital and important step from being taken that is also the most sensible, logical and cost effective, not to mention SMARTEST, due to my country being currently in the grips of a Conservative Government who are busy kowtowing to big Pharma as well as a myriad of other "special" interest groups...
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 59
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Posted: 1/2/2015 7:45:03 PM
Problem with that statement is, weed is not chemically addictive


I believe it's emotionally and mentally additive and makes you passive.
just what the Liberals want you to be so they can bend you to their will more easily.
a passive society says ok to almost anything.

they want you to have dope but they don't want you to have guns.

think about it.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 60
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Posted: 1/2/2015 8:26:04 PM

I believe it's emotionally and mentally additive and makes you passive.
just what the Liberals want you to be so they can bend you to their will more easily.
a passive society says ok to almost anything


Do you come up with these all by yourself, or do you get help?



they want you to have dope but they don't want you to have guns.

think about it.


Ok, lets think about the number of peole killed in the last 24hrs in the USA.

Weed: 0

Guns: 63

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death-rate-statistics.php
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 61
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Posted: 1/3/2015 8:18:57 AM
In my State 37% of people killed on the road test positive for THC. It is totally irrelevant if MJ is legal or not. I would suspect if it was legalised these stats would not change. So saying that MJ is not responsible for deaths is totally irresponsible. We know that MJ smoke contains benzyprene the same as tobacco and we know that benzyprene causes cancer.

We were at one time ignorant of the possible long term effects of tobacco use. It is obvious the dedicated weed smokers will claim MJ consumption is not harmful. It is like a smoker who claims that their grandad smoked tobacco and he never got cancer. Would legalisation lead to increased consumption? I'm not sure. The problem is that our knowledge of the long term effects of MJ use is not really known.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 62
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/3/2015 9:11:52 AM

In my State 37% of people killed on the road test positive for THC.


Does that mean that of those 37% none tested positive for alcohol or any other drugs?

I think that is a very misleading stat since THC can remain in your system for 30 days or longer after being ingested. Testing positive does not mean you are currently under the influence.

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/colorado-and-marijuana-legalization-one-year-later-what-has-changed/ar-BBhmrym?ocid=HPCDHP




Also, traffic fatalities are near historic lows, and slightly lower than what we saw in 2013. I'm not claiming a direct causation to marijuana legalization, but marijuana legalization certainly has not hurt Colorado.

 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 63
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Posted: 1/3/2015 9:56:31 AM
MSG 65

MJ is only detectable in saliva for 4-6 hours. Which means that a positive roadside test proves that that person has consumed MJ in the last 4-6 hours. Most likely they would be under the influence. Would you agree.?
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 64
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/3/2015 10:02:52 AM
^^^Well...no not really.

Correlation does not imply causation. How do you measure a person's intoxication based on saliva contents? Where is the road-side sobriety test results. Where is the evidence that the THC is affecting their ability to safely operate a motor vehicle? Too many variables here.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 65
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:45:54 AM
^^^^^^^
Are you saying that tHC is not a factor in road trauma? Well the fact that 37% of fatally injured drivers test positive for THC is proof enough for me that there is a correlation.
Small amounts of THC in saliva are not detectable. That is why the authorities in my State have decided that if THC is detected in saliva, it is of sufficient quantity to impair the drivers ability, which increases the risk of accident.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 66
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Posted: 1/3/2015 11:52:53 AM

Well the fact that 37% of fatally injured drivers test positive for THC is proof enough for me that there is a correlation.


In related news ~15% of them where left-handed, ergo that is proof enough for me that there is a correlation.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 67
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Posted: 1/3/2015 12:08:35 PM

Well the fact that 37% of fatally injured drivers test positive for THC is proof enough for me that there is a correlation.


Totally meaningless quote unless the prevalence of other substances was also reported. I'd venture that in the US, at least, far more auto accidents are caused by alcohol, benzodiazapines, pain killers or some conbination of those three, to say nothing of meds for blood pressure, diabetes, various mental illnesses. Have figures on those?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 68
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Posted: 1/3/2015 12:25:45 PM
Don't forget texting.


Are these saliva tests accurate if you ingest it?
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 69
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Posted: 1/3/2015 12:34:32 PM
Cannabis distorts a person's depth perception. Which means that the person cannot accurately judge the distance of vehicles. Does anyone not think that is dangerous?

As for legalising MJ, I couldn't care less if it was legalised or not. It is totally irrelevant to me. Just because I have been pointing out the dangers of drug driving, does not mean I am against anyone who uses MJ. What the authorities in my State are saying is "if you do drugs, don't drive" . How simple is that?

It seems to me that some posters here are saying that driving stoned is perfectly OK and in no way contributes to road trauma.I certainly wouldn't get in a car with someone who is stoned off their face driving. Would anyone else?
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 70
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Posted: 1/3/2015 2:31:38 PM
I think they should legalize MJ as well. But I also disagree with driving drunk, stoned, texting or any other ways of being impaired. And how is this a feiggin liberal conspiracy? It amazes me how somehow these stupid folks dress themselves without assistance like msg. 61.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 71
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Posted: 1/3/2015 4:02:20 PM

It seems to me that some posters here are saying that driving stoned is perfectly OK and in no way contributes to road trauma


That's not what I was saying at all. My point was how do we know that those 37% died because they had THC in their saliva. There could be many other factors that contributed to the accidents.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 72
Marijuana Legalization and the stereotype
Posted: 1/3/2015 7:11:32 PM
Dope.Guns.Pick one.
 CuriousInDB
Joined: 7/12/2014
Msg: 73
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Posted: 1/4/2015 1:37:18 AM

Dope.Guns.Pick one.


Good point. Tough choice for me personally and maybe for a lot of us in the US who appreciate the purpose of the Second Amendment. Marijuana tends to result in peaceful folks. Gee, wonder if that's why the US government has been releasing so much misinformation about weed for decades and decades? Perhaps Uncle is concerned he won't have enough cannon fodder for his enterprises all over the planet. But then folks accuse me of being radical.
 Countryheart1967
Joined: 5/19/2014
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Posted: 1/4/2015 3:15:50 AM

Dope. Guns. Pick one.


Firearms, hands down.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 75
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Posted: 1/4/2015 8:07:00 AM
Dope. Guns. Pick one.


i'll have my gun for the doper who tries to burglarize my home because he chose marijuana and then graduated to harder drugs which he is addicted to.

marijuana is called The Gateway Drug for a reason.

the Liberals WANT Americans to become passive mindless twilight zone addle brain dopers so they can more easily manipulate the masses. America is in BIG trouble now and more than ever we need CLEAR thinkers, not zonked out doping zombies saying OK to every stupid thing the Liberals want. that's a Kardashian Society.
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