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 J_bird61
Joined: 10/22/2011
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God is Love.
Literally.

Gosh, I thought everyone knew that....
P.S. -ya'll believe in it more than you know. You look for it everywhere and the cynicism you feel about it is a result of not "seeing" it.

After reading most of the other posts and getting way off point, I can't remember the rest of the assignment other than, I do believe that Love is about the most important factor on this earth and I would not want to imagine life without evidence of it. It is the hope of the world. In my very humble opinion.
 RussArtLover
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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:46:41 PM
Very eloquently said J. I think the worst of us though just like to keep our options open. Christianity is probably the best religion out there for learning about love. Most do not even cover it at all.
 rebel-rider
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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:00:53 PM
GOD is

Greatness On Demand
within everyone.

No proposal needed (nunya)
 MegaMike_64
Joined: 12/30/2012
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:29:58 AM
CressB said:
What is god?

It's delicious on toast.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:41:44 PM
Ok, I am back. My original definition:

God is the ultimate result of evolution. All knowing, all present, all powerful. It's the literal personification of perfection and potential actualized. All is one, reflecting on the scattered bits of itself subjectively.


Now I will try and elaborate.

In my opinion, God did not precede the universe. The universe precedes all things. The universe has no beginning and no end. God did have a beginning. God did not create the universe. Our universe created God. His consciousness, his intelligence, his power: they are all products of evolution. He is the ultimate evolution of which the universe is capable. Simply put, God is the ultimate expression of the potential of existence. What is the maximum potential latent within the universe? What is the fullest expression of the possibilities inherent in the universe? I would argue God. God does not make the universe, he emerges as its inevitable culmination, its dialectical end-point. God evolves. He is a creature of evolution, not of Being.

"Entelechy" is a word used to describe something having its end within itself, something growing to fully actualise and fulfill its inner potential. I believe our universe demonstrates entelechy, inevitably. Therefore I would believe that god is the supreme actualisation of existence, the ultimate entelechy. Non personal.

Now go easy on me folks. I am not claiming any evidence to support any of this. It's just, in my opinion, the only rational definition of something we can call God.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:52:46 PM

Now go easy on me folks. I am not claiming any evidence to support any of this. It's just, in my opinion, the only rational definition of something we can call God.


Admittedly, there's going to be holes in a hypothesis I've come up with without any evidence at all. I'm trying to see how I can define God in a way that isn't completely ignorant of Science and Logic, which is not easy.


Your logic here is reasonable, but.... there's too much guesswork goin on.



Can there be a definition of God that doesn't rely on guess work? I'd love to hear that one.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:38:21 PM

Maybe God is the atom. Maybe atoms, the buildings blocks of all matter in the known universe, is just an extension of one entity. One super intelligent entity that created all of the structures we see and all of the cells that make us whole, all by intelligent design, with the intent of striking a delicate balance throughout multiple galaxies. A God who is not entirely infallible, and with limitations, which is why we don't experience a utopia in this life, and why there are natural disasters, etc


I can get on board with that idea. But how can you honestly say...

Now, with this logic, I used far less guesswork than you, simply because I can back about all of this up with evidence.

...???

Can you provide me with the evidence? Got a link?
 LennyPane
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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:07:12 PM

That's what I mean.


Ok fair enough. But neither of these below are facts...

The world is not perfect? FACT
We operate under an element of free will? FACT


Even if they were, that in no way lends credibility to your God hypothesis.
Just because you're idea can be argued within a real system does NOT make it any less of a guess my friend.
 gnosisM
Joined: 12/1/2012
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:43:21 AM
For anyone who ardently believes in God, a political ideology, or patriotism, feminism, men's movement, or any other ideology, you do not want to read the following unless you are willing to handle the truth.
From the Book " The Pathology of Man" By Dr. Steven J Barlett

"Fromm’s main observation is that man needs illusions in order to make his life bearable. Mankind’s illusions take the form of ideologies that assert the supreme importance of sets of preferred values. Society erects its idols they may be money, materialism, religious dogma, etc...and then proceeds to worship them. Members of the society transfer their emotional energy to their idols, quickly forgetting in the process that it is they who empower their gods, and in so doing they willfully lie to themselves. The population of a society comes to invest a huge amount of psychological energy in sustaining and defending its preferred lies. The majority of men and women, Fromm claimed, are inherently stupid and unable to see through the lies in which they are so heavily invested. Wars are fought largely to defend these illusions. Anyone who attempts to see through society's lies is subject to ostracism and alienation, and so the fear of rejection and isolation discourages individual incentive to penetrate the lies and to discover what is true.

Part of a long tradition running from Plato to Spinoza to Marx, Fromm argued that intellectual and moral development in man is possible only when man becomes free, when he summons the initiative and the capacity to become aware of his self-deceptions. All that the human race has achieved, spiritually and materially, it owes to the destroyers of illusions and the seekers of reality. The capacity to destroy illusions, according to Fromm, fundamentally requires disobedience. Fromm says,

Man has continued to evolve by acts of disobedience [from the beginning of] his spiritual development...only because there have been men who dared to say “no” to the powers that be in the name of their conscience or of their faith. His intellectual development was also dependent on the capacity for being disobedient, disobedient to the authorities who tried to muzzle new thoughts, and to the authority of long-established opinions which declared change to be nonsense.

But the reverse, mankind's urge to obey, is potentially lethal. Fromm argued that obedience may plausibly lead to the end of human history. He observed that the majority of human beings have an emotional constitution unchanged from the Stone Age, yet they now live with the technical means at hand to bring about worldwide nuclear destruction.

“If mankind commits suicide, it will be because people will obey those who command them to push the deadly buttons, because they will obey the archaic passions of fear, hate, and greed; because they will obey obsolete cliches of state sovereignty and national honor”.

“If we should all perish in the nuclear holocaust, it will not be because man was not capable of becoming human, or that he was inherently evil; it would be because the consensus of stupidity has prevented him from seeing reality and acting upon the truth”

As a result, Fromm, somewhat like Menninger, came to believe that hope for man must be invested in his capacity to develop his intelligence. For Fromm, human intelligence is not reducible purely to a set of intellectual skills, but demands the personal independence of the genuine individual, supplemented by vitality and courage, all of which are necessary if he is to dispel the veil of lies behind which he lives. However, Fromm’s optimism on behalf of this considerably enriched conception of intelligence was tempered by his recognition that the vast majority of people wish nothing more than symbiosis, conformity, and safety. He realized that the self-interests of the majority are deeply rooted in the desire to maintain the very illusions that threaten man's survival. Nowhere in this early work does Fromm mention human evil. His focus, like Menninger’s is exclusively on the human propensity for violence and self-destruction. He classified this propensity as an illness specifically a neurosis and hence as a pathology. Since he was a trained clinician, one may expect that he used these terms judiciously and in their non-metaphorical sense.
 ScienceofMusic
Joined: 12/18/2012
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Posted: 1/29/2013 9:59:53 PM
If god was to be represented by comic hero, his superpower would be the ability to completely control entropy. That's basically all it takes to be god
 J_bird61
Joined: 10/22/2011
Msg: 70
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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:39:04 PM
To gnosisM -
I don't understand why you had your "warning" as a precursor to your post. I fully believe in God, maybe not the God you may be alluding to, is my best guess?
And I say that because I agree with the substance of your article/quote. Your article reinforces my commitment to my belief system and your article gives me hope.
Especially the part about finding the courage or faith or conscience to say no to the status quo.
Most of the people in history who did, pushed us all forward. For me, as a believer in God, if I am finding myself wanting to say "no" to the status quo, it is from my inner beliefs that I would gain the courage to do so.

Your article is not bad news to me....just sayin'..:-)
 melodyof_k
Joined: 5/2/2012
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:49:16 PM
gnosisM

what was your warning for?
you quoted mear men who you personally admire and agree with.
thats great if you do.
nothing wrong with that

I choose to admire God and His ways over men.


saying no is not what is making us better..
our society is constantly falling lower down into degredation from people pleasing their worldy desires
instead of seeking out the spirit first.
there is more loneliness due to separation of family and community, more divorce, higher rates of crime,
bullies, school shootings,..isolation due to people watching too much tv or playing video games...they used to play with freinds. anyone remember freeze tag after school or hopskotch with the neighborhood kids? what now...they sit inside and press buttons as they stare at the screen with images shooting at one another.
leaving the old fashioned ways behind has not shown to make a better world.

study is good for your mind.
so is spiritual study. pick up a spiritual book....and try to get through the husks of words to the meaning within.
this will cause your mind much growth,..much or more than studying school subjects. although i am not saying that we should not study academic subjects. but spiritual subjects use the mind in another way..another muscle...which wont be used if you dont use it.

everything is from God. our every breath is from Him. thats who He is...everything to me.
or that is what He is to answer the question
He is the lifeline because if He stops His thought of me...I will not exist.
 CureCurious
Joined: 1/15/2013
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:09:38 AM
gnosism,


is Science an illusion?

Do you know what scientific racialism is? Basically using 'science' to enforce the idea that one race is superior than another. When the british reckoned the brains of the non white people were smaller.... or when the criminal's hand shape was different to the normal law abiding individual, etc.

is science an illusion? Because it follows a pattern, a predictability.... some people might find comfort in that idea ... if say, someone is going through an emotional chaos... they could comfort themselves by saying, "ohhh well, its just a bunch of neurons sparking between my synapses.. nothing much.. im just low on seratonin that is all... yeahhh im fine.... yeahhh this drug will fix the problem!"
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:19:31 AM

there is more loneliness due to separation of family and community, more divorce, higher rates of crime,
bullies, school shootings,..isolation due to people watching too much tv or playing video games...

That is 100% False and either a bold faced lie, or someone is speaking about things that they know nothing about and are just repeating false information.





they used to play with freinds. anyone remember freeze tag after school or hopskotch with the neighborhood kids? what now...

Their god loving helicopter parents decided to keep them inside because of the boogeyman they keep hearing about on the news.




...they sit inside and press buttons as they stare at the screen with images shooting at one another.
leaving the old fashioned ways behind has not shown to make a better world.

You left out there is also more people making up facts to support a false cause.
 CarlG3
Joined: 1/23/2013
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:39:56 AM
God = O = now

Nothing is forever, therefore forever is nothing. If time is all that's past and all that will be, then they must equal the present. All universal truths must be true in all directions, especially past and present. We never really have the future, because when we get there, it's the present. God equals the universe. Whether you believe in the existence of God is still basically 50/50. There either is a God or there isn't. You can't have "kind of a god" or almost a god. It depends on which universe you want to live in, which I believe covers the parallel universes theory. I prefer to live in the universe where there is a God.

CarlG3
 melodyof_k
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:32:39 PM
to AA:

I have 6 grown children and
6 grandchildren.

I have seen them sit for hours playing video games alone..
(especially the teen or almost teen grandchildren......they get upset if the games are taken away from them...
this may be the fault of the parents for allowing it.....but the parents never thought at first that the children would become almost seeming addicted to these games).
the advertising sways young children and adults both.

I think the newer technology is amazing and can do worlds of good,...but it is also used to the detriment of some of the weaker people for those in power to gain more power by upping their already high financial status.
while when I was younger, and even when my older children were younger...
we were outside playing and interacting with other children.
this is NOT happening half as much now.

there IS more violence in the schools now than before.
there are bullys,..there are now cyberbullies.
families are more spread apart now than day past.
this causes isolation and more loneliness when family is apart.

it is proven that the happiest people on a whole live in the poorest countries. they have no one of high status to compare themselves to,...no tv, no radio, nothing. they are not unhappy because they cannot afford the newest gadget or the nicest dress or jewelry. those things have no meaning to them. they live with their entire family and extended family....they are happy to come home after working very hard to see their children run up to hug them.

in America and other highly developed countries there is more dissatisfaction among the people than in underdeveloped countries.

the divorce rate is higher than days past.

these are facts. not made up by myself.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:41:37 PM
Jeffrey I have to ask you, with the best of intentions, how your ideas on god being an extraterrestrial and your skepticism and whatnot doesn't conflict with your jewish faith...
 POFisLOL
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:50:17 PM

is Science an illusion?


Is life an illusion? Are you an illusion? What is real and what is not? Those are not practical questions. I mean, at its core, science is subjective even if we claim that it is objective. Indeed, what is science? It can be defined as a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe(from wikipedia). But, all those observations that build or knowledge come from personal experiences. What if all those experiences do not in fact represent the true reality? Speaking of which, what is the true reality?

Asking yourself deep philosophical questions like this is reasonable but never should it be used as an argument to demerit science for what it is. Indeed, science simply help us understand this life that may be real or not.

About the scientific racialism: what you are describing is not science but actually semantics. It is not right or wrong. If I define superiority has the "occurrence of having a larger brain than something else" then by definition, if a white person has a bigger brain than a black person, then the white person is superior. No one should be insulted by this. Now, if we use a scientific approach to evaluate the size of multiple brains and we realize that every white person has a bigger brain than each black persons; it is then a fact that white people are "superior" to black people. You see, the problem does not occur because we define superiority, it occurs because the word is freely left to interpretation. If someone(the Brits) decides then that superiority gives them the right to rule over the inferiors, is science truly to blame? No. Science was only used to evaluate the size of the brains.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:50:52 AM

I have seen them sit for hours playing video games alone..
(especially the teen or almost teen grandchildren......they get upset if the games are taken away from them...

False conclusions based on poor observations.




I think the newer technology is amazing and can do worlds of good,...but it is also used to the detriment of some of the weaker people for those in power to gain more power by upping their already high financial status.

Great, and when you understand that just because you think it, does not make it so, you will be on your way to understanding.




while when I was younger, and even when my older children were younger...
we were outside playing and interacting with other children.
this is NOT happening half as much now.

Which is due to over protective helicopter parents.




there IS more violence in the schools now than before.
there are bullys,..there are now cyberbullies.
families are more spread apart now than day past.
this causes isolation and more loneliness when family is apart.

This is a guess at best and has no basis in fact.





it is proven that the happiest people on a whole live in the poorest countries. they have no one of high status to compare themselves to,...no tv, no radio, nothing. they are not unhappy because they cannot afford the newest gadget or the nicest dress or jewelry.

It is also proven that the vast majority of them do not have to worry about invisible sky wizards as well.




the divorce rate is higher than days past.

Cite source and cause.




these are facts. not made up by myself.

So far you have only proved that you like o make stuff up and draw false conclusions as you have not been able to back up a single one of your claims with one single fact.
 melodyof_k
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Posted: 2/1/2013 4:17:47 PM
Aristotle

speak to parents.
both secular non believing parents,....who ship their children off to school in hopes that the school itself is teaching the correct things to their children...in hope their child does not get bullied or given drugs.

speak to parents who home school, who do not have tv in their home..
or who limit tv hours for their children and do teach morals that come from in tact positive value systems to their children. (some of these parents are religious and some are athiests with stong values)

watch movies by the Dalie Lama

read the newpapers.
as for cyberbullies..
just check out some POF posts.

there are worse on the facebook pages of impressionalbe teenagers.
some driven to suicide.
some to becoming so depressed or afraid to go to school
these are facts of today.
why do you say they are not?
adults on line pretending to be children try to befriend children to gain trust...when they have selfish harm intended.


I am thinking you do read the paper and watch news...I could be wrong...since I do not know you.
the entire world has less morals they stand on.
less value they stand for.
as a whole,....
Money is the ultimate ruler.
no matter who suffers.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 2/1/2013 5:16:28 PM

these are facts of today.
why do you say they are not?

You have yet to state anything that can be verified as a fact and crime stat numbers also prove you wrong as they have been declining for some time.

What has been on the incline though, is fear mongering by media outlets for the purpose of profit and a side effect of that has been a generation of helicopter parents that are doing more damage to their kids than they are able to understand.

If you truly love something, you set it free and you let it discover for itself, any attempt to plant seeds and thoughts based on interpretations in a book IMO is brain washing and should be considered child abuse.




adults on line pretending to be children try to befriend children to gain trust...when they have selfish harm intended.

The only thing new there is the medium used and the publicity hyperbole surrounding the event.

Bad people do bad things, and that is the way is always has been and will always be and religion, skittles or Arby's bringing back the 5 For 5 deal is not going to change it.
 melodyof_k
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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:19:36 PM
ok....this post did go off topic

I got some of my info from the move "Happy" directed by Roko Belic


OT:God is the creator of all things, and we cannot know exactly God,...
we cannot prove nor disprove God.
 ExtremeMiddle
Joined: 12/20/2012
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Posted: 2/2/2013 8:34:56 PM
God:

That which is the foundation, manifestation, and potential of all that exists, has existed, or could exist - ie, that which contains all possibility, including both reality and nonreality.

Alternatively: God is that which contains all things, and as a definition is a limiter of an "is" vs. an "is not", is without definition. Something that is without definition is not a "thing", and thusly God is not a "thing", but "no-thing" in the grandest sense - similar to how the entire universe contains all things in the universe, and is thus not itself within the universe, as its boundaries would necessarily not be IN the universe.

Proposed is that God necessarily exists, and is without a maker. From the fundamental principle of reason, "Nihil est sine ratione"- "Nothing is without reason", it follows that any thing necessarily has a cause, from which any thing may be expanded both forwards and backwards in an infinite series of causes and effects that are inextricably sewn together, such that any individual thing necessitates the entire universe, past, present, and future. Further, it implies its inverse, that "no-thing exists without reason", that is, that something that is not a thing itself (and thus is without definition) positively exists, and does so without reason or cause.

Vedic knowledge refers to the "reason" for existence as lila - play; "the universe exists for the hell of it".
 algha
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Posted: 2/3/2013 5:49:36 PM
WHAT HAS GOD DONE FOR US, AS SOME MIGHT SAY?

Well we are ruled by the very greedy, who control the government, who in turn direct the military, police, and security forces, who define the laws for the majority, who as the BANKERS stated are doing GOD'S work. Know you place, downtrodden insignificant ones!

Once there was the divine right of KINGS, not it the divine super rich who influence us all, through media, educational and other indoctrinations.

So the downtrodden, the hopeful who could have better lives are herded into thinking, just like the story of the KINGS NEW CLOTHES that something is really there. In that story, like the believers today there, saw what they wanted to see, the beautiful clothes, as redemption is seen as is the glory of HIM, MR.Male GOD, and the corpse western believers is full of life, proves one thing.

One can shout all one wants, but when dealing with the downtrodden deaf and blind, who infuse their vacuous, mundane, predictable ritualistic lives with the concept of hope, where tomorrow salvation, or something must happen to make it better, mix it with the alcohol of hope. So they all want saving, maybe love or sex might be a better fix than the temporary bottle of hope?

I say let the lemmings believe what they want, wrap themselves in whatever ideology they wish, continue the crusade between the faiths at the moment, so they can all be consumes in the blood bath in the arena of smashed dreams.

Pity them for they understand nothing more than they were taught, and a little knowledge is all they need to feel they have meaning to lives of frustration. Limited lives need somewhere to feel they can be free, and had not suicide been conveniently classed as a sin, the living dead would now be ashes, saving humanity the bother of putting up with them.
 POFisLOL
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Posted: 2/3/2013 9:14:37 PM
@ComplexxMind


Science is to blame if they use inadequate measures to arrive at definitions.


This is false. Did science attribute the "occurrence of having a bigger brain" to being superior? No. Those who made the definition did. The scientific method was only used to acquire the measurements themselves.


If every white person was "factually" deemed more intelligent than any other race, then logically, when you're looking to hire for a job, then you should show preference to the white guy, because he's scientifically better suited to the task. Problem there is, what is deemed as fact has changed many times over many years as human understanding evolves.


A fact is something that is absolutely true under a certain frame. It cannot change. If you say that "every white person are factually more intelligent than any other race" then they are more intelligent. You cannot change that as you please. If someone thinks that something is a fact, now that is different. I think this is what you are referring to. Again, this wouldn't be a true scientific way of doing things; to "think" that something is a fact. Either it is factual, false or a matter of probability.


The size of a brain has little to do with intelligence or "superiority", there is far more that goes into a brain than just the size, such as the firing of the synapses, etc, etc, etc. I'm pretty sure as well that the white person bigger brain thing is simply a myth btw.


I never said the contrary. We all know that whales have bigger brains than humans and yet they can't do what we do. I also agree that the bigger brain thing is most likely a myth. All I said was that if you define superior as having a bigger brain then that is what it is. Take no offense in any words that I said. I don't personally define superiority this way nor do I think that white are capable of achieving grander things than black.
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