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 Aries_328
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"And let me tell you, these past two years, they have deepened my faith. The presidency has a funny way of making a person feel the need to pray. Abe Lincoln said, as many of you know, 'I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had no place else to go.'



"I didn't become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God's spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose -- His purpose."


Name the quoted.

Do you take the quote as literal that he first heard God's spirit beckon him?
 flyguy51
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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:43:25 AM
Well, essentially LennyPane was talking about an apple, and you wonder if he can identify an orange.
 LennyPane
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Posted: 2/5/2013 5:27:03 PM
Apples, oranges... Doesn't matter. Why would anyone vote for a president who doesn't consult god before a mass murder? Y'all are nuts.
 kingdavid2013
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Posted: 2/6/2013 11:56:43 AM
lenny , innocent people have ALWAYS suffered for what evil has done,, it sucks yea but thats LIFE, ,, Dont worry its all gonna make sense when you meet Him , ,,, oh and dont we have an atheist presdient as we speak? wait no he s muslim ,, or is it christian??
 mark777771
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Posted: 2/8/2013 7:34:39 PM
I believe a few of our early presidents were atheist's. Jefferson and Madison come to mind.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/8/2013 7:38:00 PM

I believe a few of our early presidents were atheist's. Jefferson and Madison come to mind.

Your belief does not equal reality
 jed456
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:54:25 PM
Jefferson was not an athiest however He created the Jefforsonian bible

Thomas Jefferson, together with several of his fellow founding fathers, was influenced by the principles of deism, a construct that envisioned a supreme being as a sort of watchmaker who had created the world but no longer intervened directly in daily life. A product of the Age of Enlightenment, Jefferson was keenly interested in science and the perplexing theological questions it raised. Although the author of the Declaration of Independence was one of the great champions of religious freedom, his belief system was sufficiently out of the mainstream that opponents in the 1800 presidential election labeled him a “howling Atheist.”

In fact, Jefferson was devoted to the teachings of Jesus Christ. But he didn’t always agree with how they were interpreted by biblical sources, including the writers of the four Gospels, whom he considered to be untrustworthy correspondents. So Jefferson created his own gospel by taking a sharp instrument, perhaps a penknife, to existing copies of the New Testament and pasting up his own account of Christ’s philosophy, distinguishing it from what he called “the corruption of schismatizing followers.”

The second of the two biblical texts he produced is on display through May 28 at the Albert H. Small Documents Gallery of the Smithsonian National Museum of American History (NMAH) after a year of extensive repair and conservation. “Other aspects of his life and work have taken precedence,” says Harry Rubenstein, chair and curator of the NMAH political history division. “But once you know the story behind the book, it’s very Jeffersonian.”

Jefferson produced the 84-page volume in 1820—six years before he died at age 83—bound it in red leather and titled it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. He had pored over six copies of the New Testament, in Greek, Latin, French and King James English. “He had a classic education at [the College of] William & Mary,” Rubenstein says, “so he could compare the different translations. He cut out passages with some sort of very sharp blade and, using blank paper, glued down lines from each of the Gospels in four columns, Greek and Latin on one side of the pages, and French and English on the other.”

Much of the material Jefferson elected to not include related miraculous events, such as the feeding of the multitudes with only two fish and five loaves of barley bread; he eschewed anything that he perceived as “contrary to reason.” His idiosyncratic gospel concludes with Christ’s entombment but omits his resurrection. He kept Jesus’ own teachings, such as the Beatitude, “Blessed are the peace-makers: for they shall be called the children of God.” The Jefferson Bible, as it’s known, is “scripture by subtraction,” writes Stephen Prothero, a professor of religion at Boston University.

The first time Jefferson undertook to create his own version of Scripture had been in 1804. His intention, he wrote, was “the result of a life of enquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system, imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions.” Correspondence indicates that he assembled 46 pages of New Testament passages in The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth. That volume has been lost. It focused on Christ’s moral teachings, organized by topic. The 1820 volume contains not only the teachings, but also events from the life of Jesus.

The Smithsonian acquired the surviving custom bible in 1895, when the Institution’s chief librarian, Cyrus Adler, purchased it from Jefferson’s great-granddaughter, Carolina Ran­dolph. Originally, Jefferson had bequeathed the book to his daughter Martha.

The acquisition revealed the existence of the Jefferson Bible to the public. In 1904, by act of Congress, his version of Scripture, regarded by many as a newly discovered national treasure, was printed. Until the 1950s, when the supply of 9,000 copies ran out, each newly elected senator received a facsimile Jefferson Bible on the day that legislator took the oath of office. (Disclosure: Smithsonian Books has recently published a new facsimile edition.)

The original book now on view has undergone a painstaking restoration led by Janice Stagnitto Ellis, senior paper conservator at the NMAH. “We re-sewed the binding,” she says, “in such a way that both the original cover and the original pages will be preserved indefinitely. In our work, we were Jefferson-level meticulous.”

“The conservation process,” says Harry Rubenstein, “has allowed us to exhibit the book just as it was when Jefferson last handled it. And since digital pictures were taken of each page, visitors to the exhibition—and visitors to the web version all over the world—will be able to page through and read Jefferson’s Bible just as he did.”

Owen Edwards is a freelance writer and author of the book Elegant Solutions.

Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/How-Thomas-Jefferson-Created-His-Own-Bible.html#ixzz2KNlnl0mD


"No man can conform his faith to the dictates of another. The life and essence of religion consists in the internal persuasion or belief of the mind." —Thomas Jefferson, 1776


A Revolutionary Act

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." —Thomas Jefferson, 1787
 jed456
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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:12:34 PM

Apples, oranges... Doesn't matter. Why would anyone vote for a president who doesn't consult god before a mass murder? Y'all are nuts.


Like George Bush consulting god to invade Iraq and Afghanistan? Their is way to much religion in government.

A Revolutionary Act
Bill Of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Article Six of the United States Constitution establishes the Constitution and the laws and treaties of the United States made in accordance with it as the supreme law of the land, forbids a religious test as a requirement for holding a governmental position and holds the United States under the Constitution responsible for debts incurred by the United States under the Articles of Confederation
 mark777771
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Posted: 2/9/2013 1:56:52 PM
lol its a moron convention here. These quotes of from James Madison. "during almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and and servility in the laity; in both superstition, bigotry and persecution." Next quote "In no instance have....the churches been gauardians of the liberties of the people." Next quote "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." ARIES 328 Hardly the words of a man who subscribes to organized religion or even remotely thinks god should play a role in electing a president. AS to whether he was an atheist or agnostic, my inclination is he was a free thinker who leaned towards atheism. So you're assertion that I was incorrect and not dealing with facts is and was fallacious. He attended a episcopal church some but that was due to "politics" and not his belief in the "invisible sky daddy." Thomas Jefferson is next.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 2/9/2013 7:11:50 PM

ARIES 328 Hardly the words of a man who subscribes to organized religion or even remotely thinks god should play a role in electing a president. AS to whether he was an atheist or agnostic, my inclination is he was a free thinker who leaned towards atheism. So you're assertion that I was incorrect and not dealing with facts is and was fallacious. He attended a episcopal church some but that was due to "politics" and not his belief in the "invisible sky daddy." Thomas Jefferson is next.


Just because you make shit up doesn't make it true. You called them Athiests. It was factually inaccurate. Which makes you basically dishonest in your assertions. What is worse is you knew it.
Would you vote for an Atheist president?
Posted: 2/10/2013 1:58:18 PM

I asked you why you would choose a muslim candidate, all things being equal, and you said...


Because i always go for the underdog! How could woult it be if America actually had a political party that had islamic tendencies :D


- Why would you vote for the underdog, just because they're the underdog? Why is it a good reason, or even a good enough reason?

- I don't think you're being totally honest. The question assumes all other things equal...what's your real reason?

- Why do you think a muslim candidate would be an underdog?

- Exactly what do you mean by 'islamic tendencies'? What are these?


Can I get an answer to these questions?
 Celje
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:28:28 PM
What about a hermaphrodite buddhist?

Voting is judging, we should stop doing both if you want a less fawked up planet.
 jed456
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Posted: 3/13/2013 1:08:51 PM

My hope before I die......also a woman..........a woman atheist would be perfect :)
I don't trust the pres we have now.........being muslim.......with his middle name Hussein......
and people wonder why things are so fuked up...........................................................


Yes a woman President is due. Well you have every right not to trust the President if He was or is Muslim so what! There is no article in the Constitution that forbids any religion or lack there of. I hope your not a birther?
Would you vote for an Atheist president?
Posted: 3/13/2013 4:13:59 PM
I think we should have an injun president. A native american. Then, we'll know that we've arrived.

And even better...a native american, of a tribe which never surrendered or assimilated, woman, lesbian, atheist humanist, who wasn't with the republican or democratic party, and is married to a russian citizen...the kind of married that doesn't involve an official piece of paper.

On that day, I will jam to Neil Young's Keep On Rocking In The Free World. That will be America.

...except that a native american might not see fit to occupy such a position.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/13/2013 6:08:50 PM

be two-spirited

You just lost everyone s vote.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/13/2013 8:29:17 PM
^^^Never mind. I looked it up. How on earth did you know about this?

Although I will say that the term would cause confusion. just saying TV would be more appropriate.

And this folks is the struggle that will occur in this metaphoric dream. Just considering the options for a non traditional belief system president turned into the consideration for an unlimited amount of social exceptions. The one thing not on the list.

Qualified for the job.
 RussArtLover
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Posted: 3/14/2013 12:47:09 AM
Not sure what qualifies a man for the job when I created this. Political experience, global economics, all that hasn't helped us that much. So I put no criminal record and tons of accreditations for academic and charitable achievements, was good looking, happily married with similar children fallowing in his footsteps and a Second degree black belt in Karate as a base line for a go-getter that could think long term and take in new data like a super computer in his spare time, Not busy living up to some organised mind set.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/14/2013 12:50:44 AM

Not busy living up to some organised mind set.


Ummm How exactly would the general leadership of a group not have "busy living up to some organised mind set," as a qualification?

Maybe you don't remember what the job is for...
 RussArtLover
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Posted: 3/14/2013 1:02:02 AM
Hiring some pro to write your speeches?

:)
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Posted: 3/14/2013 5:02:50 AM
Ah. I see some recent posters here have shown signs of being rational about this again. Very good. I'm going to cross my fingers, and try to help steer this back to something useful.

Back at the beginning, I put in an obviously too subtle point, that we may already have elected an Atheist as President.

That wasn't an accusation for or against any particular President, it was to state the fundamental facts:

* that we only know what people CLAIM to believe, when they are running for office;

* that so far in our nations' history, enough of the electorate has feared atheists, that letting on that you are one, was considered to be a sure way to lose;

* therefore, just as with homosexuality, asexuality, worshiping the "wrong" god, and dozens of other things, being open and honest about who and what you are, can assure your defeat.

* political opponents are not famous for playing fair, or living up to the standards of honor which they pretend to have, in order to get into office.

I remember when Kennedy was running way back in the late fifties, early sixties, that opponents pretended to believe that if elected, ANY Catholic would immediately put the nation at the beck and call of the Pope in Rome. His election put an end to the "can't win if you are Catholic" myth. Clinton put an end to the "can't get elected if you screw around on your wife" myth. Obama put an end to the "can't win if you aren't white" myth. Bush put an end to the "can't win if you are an alcoholic" myth.

And so on.

Further: there is NO proof that either believing, or not believing in a god, is in any way related to how well anyone can perform in leadership positions. Any claim to the contrary is BS. There are examples in every direction, amply proving that some believers are horrible, and that some atheists are horrible, and vice versa.

So it all boils down to the ever changing and far from logical weirdness that is the political landscape of a given time and place.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 9:14:46 AM
Probably give a lot of them a nervous breakdowns trying to figure out how to Swear him in too. Tradition gets a lot of support in everything. I've been watching a lot of Boardwalk Empire... the "good ole boy" organizer is still a sure way to get things done, to some degree. It's a little harder to murder now so new players stand half a chance of doing some good at State and Local levels.
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Posted: 3/14/2013 5:53:54 PM
This topic is simple. The only thing that is important is whether the President is competent. His or her being an atheist is of no relevance. When someone is hired or elected to do a job how well they perform the job is all that matters. Anything else really doesn't matter.
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Posted: 3/15/2013 10:40:51 PM
Hummm...interesting thought, I was unaware that we actually had a president anymore...even more surprised people think we still have a country. LOL
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/15/2013 10:52:08 PM

Besides, I know lots of things you don't know I know!


Prove it.
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Posted: 3/16/2013 12:45:13 AM

Hummm...interesting thought, I was unaware that we actually had a president anymore...even more surprised people think we still have a country.


I wonder about that kind of stuff sometimes.
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