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 4ms4me
Joined: 4/24/2010
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^^^ Nobody deserves to be raped, period. Not even prisoners by other prisoners, or guards, not girls who are passed out, or boys who attend a Catholic Church. Nobody is less a victim due to age, behavior, dress or gender.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 200
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Posted: 4/16/2013 9:07:38 AM
I'm noticing some of the posters are confusing one case of gang rape with another ( I say gang because each case clearly had more than one perpetrator) and posters are bantering back and forth who did what, who didn't do what.
Yet no one pointed out that it is one case too many happening lately not just all over the world but right here in North America and it's causing such confusion. It's becoming a blur of verbal mud slinging between opposing views.

For all those who say "She shouldn't drink so much" or "She shouldn't dress that way", etc...etc,they are not offering solutions. They are part of the problem because they are providing an excuse for the rapists.

I was watching a foreign movie over the weekend called The Source. In it was a mother, in an outrage, speaking to her grown son, a muslim who wanted women to cover themselves. Basically, in my own words, she was saying; "Why must we wear veils?! We are women and we should be proud of it. It is our god-given human right. It's not our fault if you can't control yourselves. It is up to you to control yourselves, not us."
I couldn't have agreed more!

Yes, I do realize there are those who "lie" but if you pick it apart, you will see there is always a reason leading to that lie. If we educate the proper values of respect to each young person, male and female and make sure it is maintained everywhere (ie: no favoritism in sports allowing them to misbehave), it can separate the true culprits from those everyone is pointing fingers at assuming they are. Making the culprits accountable from the get go.
With social media so easily at our fingertips creating mass assumptions, it is more impertinent than ever to teach ... well.. bottom line...of manners.
Let me ask this in regards to the girls getting drunk, being seductive even, aren't there any gentlemen left to do the right thing?
Judging from these incidents, I think not. This right here tells me, too many are part of the problem.
For everyone, man or woman, the elderly or children in any country, home or street.... this rape culture needs to stop. Do not be part of the problem and give the rapists any excuses.
 59thShadeofGrey
Joined: 9/25/2012
Msg: 201
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Posted: 4/17/2013 9:34:36 AM

Her eyes can't be saying "yes."


And grannie panties only - no thongs. And def no 'commando'. No female has the right to choose her own undergarments...
 4ms4me
Joined: 4/24/2010
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Posted: 4/17/2013 9:54:59 AM
^^^ I'm thinking those long drawers women wore in the Victorian era should be brought back. What about chastity belts? I'm sure they could be made a lot more comfortable with the modern materials available today.
 PROTON67
Joined: 4/26/2012
Msg: 203
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Posted: 4/17/2013 10:09:34 AM
How come 99% of people in jail for sex crimes are men? If, as everyone claims, men and women should be truly equal, in positive things, then why not negative things too? Why this disparity? What are women doing to contribute to sex crimes that is being ignored? In muslim countries women are blamed for almost all sex crimes so they wrap them up like a burrito, and if the matter ever came to a vote, there are more of them than there are of us. Are we totally right and the muslims all wrong or is the truth somewhere in between? And if the truth is somewhere in between then just what are women getting by with here that they should not?
 4ms4me
Joined: 4/24/2010
Msg: 204
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Posted: 4/17/2013 10:59:23 AM

How come 99% of people in jail for sex crimes are men?

Because most sex crimes are carried out by men. So are most violent crimes, but men are also most often the victimes of violent crime, except rape, so right there one can see a gender difference related to sex crimes.

men and women should be truly equal, in positive things, then why not negative things too?

There are different theories about why women aren't as visible in violent crimes as men, from biological differences to different social expectations. It has been noted that violent crime has been increasing among female adolescents, so possibly a time will come when female incarceration will match that of males.

Anyway, I don't see the point of insisting that because males are violent, then women should be equally as violent.

Why this disparity? What are women doing to contribute to sex crimes that is being ignored?

One major problem in this area is that men still hesitate to come forward when they've been sexually abused by women, because they'll be considered "lucky" by many men and at least some women, and men are supposed to be the sexual aggressors so how they possibly be aggressed against? (It's sorta like the "slut" theory: she liked it, she asked for it, therefore rape isn't possible.) Its also true that for quite a long time, women were considered essentially incapable of being criminals of any kind, and so their crime was ignored. However, that is changing as it becomes clear that women can be just as violent as men, at least non-sexually. In terms of sexual behavior, I think there's a signficant enough difference between men and women so that women will never match men for sex crimes, but that's merely an opinion that might be changed if evidence is presented.
 deerdog1
Joined: 12/29/2006
Msg: 205
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Posted: 4/17/2013 12:01:34 PM
for me this comes down to one point ..it is always wrong to have sex with someone who is not able to fully consent ... I was taught this from a early age ..and have never even wanted to stray from it ..I hidnt have sex with my wife on my wedding night for exactly that reason she had too much to drink and passed out .. there have been many occasions where my date was drunk and I could have took advantage and most likely it would have been ok but even if it is ..where is the pleasure from having sex with someone who is not going to remember it in the morning ...always when a woman becomes drunk I become their protector
 PROTON67
Joined: 4/26/2012
Msg: 207
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Posted: 4/17/2013 2:15:13 PM
I'm sorry Kathie. I didn't mean to disturb anyone. I'll review what I've said to see if I could have said it better. But if people are disturbed by just reading a couple of my posts, just imagine how disturbed I must feel, I actually have to live with me.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 210
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Posted: 5/28/2013 10:08:37 AM
#214

... Its also true that for quite a long time, women were considered essentially incapable of being criminals of any kind, and so their crime was ignored. However, that is changing as it becomes clear that women can be just as violent as men, at least non-sexually.

Very true, as some women will pretend to be all nice when in reality they are heartless psychopaths.

Because harassment and defamation is one thing and the local authorities really will not do much about it, but when the psycho takes it to a new level with death threats, then the RCMP tend to take notice.

So I guess it is a good thing that these sites that allow you to slander others keep records and so do the ISP's.

So those women who where once thought as essentially being incapable of criminal acts can and will be brought to justice and shown to the world the people that they really are. Though that is, if they are even female to being with.
 Midwest_Southwest
Joined: 9/9/2012
Msg: 212
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Posted: 6/12/2013 8:19:28 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/11/man-who-helped-expose-steubenville-rapists-faces-more-jail-time-than-they-do/

It appears as though one of the young men who made this case public was searched and is now facing a possible sentence 5 times the length of the sentences that the convicted received. We really need to reexamine our values and priorities as a society.
 Hozo
Joined: 8/1/2006
Msg: 213
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Posted: 12/4/2013 8:21:46 PM
I realise it has been a while, but I thought I would do a favour and give the latest update. Here locally, this case has wrapped up as of the end of November. The special Grand jury has indicted 4 more people after months of investigation. The attorney general states that the investigation is now over.




Schools Chief Among 4 Indicted In Steubenville Rape Case

by Mark Memmott

November 25, 201311:53 AM

Four adults, including the superintendent of the city's schools, have been indicted by a grand jury on charges related to the aftermath and alleged attempted coverup of a teenage girl's 2012 rape by members of the high school football team in Steubenville, Ohio.

Ohio Attorney Gen. Mike DeWine just announced that news.

The case became national news after some of the boys who were involved posted pictures of the victim and accounts of what they had done on social media. That triggered an online campaign to press local authorities to investigate and prosecute. DeWine's office took over the case.

Last March, two boys were found guilty of rape. In October, the head of technology for Steubenville City Schools was accused of tampering with evidence.

Now, WOWK-TV reports, Steubenville City Schools Superintendent Michael McVey has been "charged with tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice and falsification." Also charged: elementary school principal Lynett Gorman, for alleged failure to report child abuse; wrestling coach Seth Fluharty, for alleged failure to report child abuse; and volunteer football coach Matthew Belardine, "who faces charges allowing underage drinking, obstructing official business, falsification, and contributing to the delinquency of a minor."

Update at 12:20 p.m. ET. More Details:

DeWine's office has now posted information about the indictments.

The statement says, in part:

"Michael McVey, 50 years old, of Steubenville, has been indicted on five counts:

— One count of Tampering with Evidence, a third degree felony

— Two counts of Obstructing Justice, a fifth degree felony

— One count of Falsification, a first degree misdemeanor

— One count of Obstructing Official Business, a second degree misdemeanor

"McVey is the superintendent of Steubenville City Schools. If convicted on all counts, McVey could serve up to seven years and 270 days in prison.

"Matthew Belardine, 26, of Steubenville, has been indicted on four counts:

— Underage Persons Offenses Concerning ("beer or intoxicating liquor"), a first degree misdemeanor

— Obstructing Official Business, a second degree misdemeanor

— Falsification, a first degree misdemeanor

— Contributing to the Unruliness or Delinquency of a Child, a first degree misdemeanor

"Belardine is a former assistant high school football coach for Steubenville City Schools. If convicted on all counts, Belardine could serve up to one year and 265 days in jail.

"Seth Fluharty, 26, of Wintersville, has been indicted on one count regarding Reporting Child Abuse or Neglect, a fourth degree misdemeanor. Fluharty is an assistant wrestling coach and special education teacher for Steubenville City Schools. If convicted, Fluharty could serve up to 30 days in jail.

"Lynnett Gorman, 40, of Steubenville, has been indicted on one count regarding Reporting Child Abuse or Neglect, a fourth degree misdemeanor. Gorman is the Principal of West Elementary in Steubenville. If convicted, Gorman could serve up to 30 days in jail."
 statemachine500
Joined: 8/25/2011
Msg: 214
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:06:54 AM
^^^
Good to see they went after the people looking the other way.
 localRenoite12
Joined: 4/17/2013
Msg: 215
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Posted: 12/11/2013 1:28:10 AM

How come 99% of people in jail for sex crimes are men? If, as everyone claims, men and women should be truly equal, in positive things, then why not negative things too? Why this disparity? What are women doing to contribute to sex crimes that is being ignored? In muslim countries women are blamed for almost all sex crimes so they wrap them up like a burrito, and if the matter ever came to a vote, there are more of them than there are of us. Are we totally right and the muslims all wrong or is the truth somewhere in between? And if the truth is somewhere in between then just what are women getting by with here that they should not?


There's more men in prison for sex crimes because men commit more sex crimes... It's not a difficult concept to grasp. There's really no point of debating the issue with you though since you seem like a raging misogynist who vouches for an oppressive society towards women.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 1/9/2015 8:28:33 PM
I have always thought that the Krusty Kleenex Kollector in new scotland was a weirdo and a troll.

His photies have never changed since i first started reading the forums in 2009. Personally i do not think the troll is the person in the photies.

His shrieking at another poster regarding phoning the polis because someone was suicidal and his mock outrage rang a wee bell.

There was a thread a while back regarding a rape and the abuse of a young lassie in steubenville ohio. I recalled that HFB_TWT under his previous guise aristotle amadplus made comments that fit right in to the weirdo/troll category.


"The Steubenville High School rape occurred in Steubenville, Ohio, on the night of August 11, 2012, when a high school girl, incapacitated by alcohol, was publicly and repeatedly sexually assaulted by her peers, several of whom documented the acts in social media. The victim was transported, undressed, photographed, and sexually assaulted. She was also penetrated vaginally by other students' fingers (digital penetration), an act defined as rape under Ohio law.[1]"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case

A poster then mentions another gang rape of a young girl in nova scotia (the lassie was 17) in the course of the thread. The lassie ended up trying to hang herself. She failed but was on a life support machine which was eventually switched off.

"Rehtaeh Parsons a 17-year-old (December 9, 1995 – April 7, 2013) former Cole Harbour District High School student, attempted suicide by hanging[2] on April 4, 2013, at her home in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada, leading to a coma and the decision to switch her life support machine off on April 7, 2013.[3]

Her death has been attributed to online distribution of photos of an alleged gang rape that occurred 17 months prior to her suicide, in November 2011.[3][4] On a Facebook page set up in tribute to her daughter, Parsons' mother blamed the four boys who allegedly raped and released images of her, the subsequent constant "bullying and messaging and harassment", and the failure of the Canadian justice system, for her daughter's decision to commit suicide.[5]"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Rehtaeh_Parsons

The weirdo goes into overdrive here and mentions one of his favourite subjects back then. Pretty little white girls. Here is what the weirdo wrote regarding the nova scotia story.

Msg 117

"As one look at that girls twitter and tumbler feed would show you she was no innocent little girl, she was a sexually promiscuous young lady who was into lots of bad stuff and was not shy about telling the world about it.

There was no photos, there was a photo and from what I understand it was no more pornographic than stuff she was already posting on her own.
While someone taking their life is a tragedy, it is no worse that innocent people getting dragged back through the mud because of media fueled misguided outrage.

Now while no one can be guilty of dressing or acting a certain way, if people took a little peek behind the curtain they would see there is some serious doubt with regards to her story."

Msg 183

"Either way I had a feeling I would get jumped on for offering up logical possibility here, but hey far be it for me to get in the way of selective outrage, I guess it is a good thing though that most people limit this behavior to pretty white girls because there would be no way they could keep up if they cared about the all the others."

Msg 187

"To make the claim that she killed herself because she was raped, brings up the questions as then why do not all people who are raped kill themselves? "


And here is the thread. Now in my opinion he is either trolling or he is an apologist for rapists. He is forthright in his view the lassies played a part in getting raped.

Steubenville rape case.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts15809039.aspx">http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts15809039.aspx</a>

His previous incarnation wrote the following posts.

Messages 7, 9, 11, 16, 20, 177, 183, 187, 219
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 217
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Posted: 1/10/2015 11:47:05 AM
Vlad

It seems he has no children
Need I say more???
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 218
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:28:19 PM
Nice one Vlad.I guess he feels a little guilty.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 219
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Posted: 1/14/2015 6:09:22 AM
Yep I pointed out that the dialogue that was presented was exaggerated and that people should stop acting on emotion and look at the facts of the case.

Then some douche bag decided to create a bunch of libelous posts on other sites attempting to incite hate and cause harm to me. (of which the RCMP file is still open)

I would guess that coward is still on these forums and is probably still up the same childish stuff.


Then a few days ago, the father of the daughter in Halifax who championed for a new law in our country around sending out intimate pictures of people without their consent, did just that and sent out someone picture without their consent.

http://contrarian.ca/2015/01/08/glen-cannings-court-of-hypocrisy-claims-a-victim/

Proving what I said was 100% true and that the case was blown completely out of proportion.

People should also know this who did this, is a massive internet troll who create fake profiles on social media sites in an attempt to make himself look better and then attack anyone who provide an alternative narrative.

I have a pretty good idea the douche bag is on this site and probably is responsible for the posts made against me, but Glen if you are reading, the net is getting tighter and tighter, so you keep trying to defame and slag me just for questions your versions of the events and I will know who is the real genuine person and who is the hypocrite.


So please keep judging me for questioning someone who turned out to be a hypocrite.

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It seems he has no children
Need I say more???


Yeah you should say more.

Because your statement makes no sense, as having children or not does not change someones ability to stop bullshit or not.

So please explain what you mean, unless that was just an attempt to get a cheap shot in before you even understood the facts of the case.

Either way, your "It seems he has no children" statement really shows your true character.

 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 220
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Posted: 1/14/2015 6:52:50 AM
You might have felt more sympathy if you had a daughter HFX.It was a tragedy and many things could be said.
 nocrapzone
Joined: 1/10/2015
Msg: 221
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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:01:36 AM
..(of which the RCMP file is still open)..

hope you are holding your breath

I bet that file is right on the top of their priorities list, ahead of silly things like terrorist plots, etc.. LOL
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 222
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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:08:07 AM

People should also know this who did this, is a massive internet troll who create fake profiles on social media sites in an attempt to make himself look better and then attack anyone who provide an alternative narrative.
Seriously? Sounds like someone else we know from up North..


as having children or not does not change someones ability to stop bullshit
True, but it may impact our ability to empathize with the parents of the girls.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 223
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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:14:03 AM

You might have felt more sympathy if you had a daughter HFX.It was a tragedy and many things could be said.


You are the one that trolled a thread where someone was contemplating suicide.

If that had been your daughter who posted here on POF and someone did what you did, would you be ok with that?

So please before you pass judgement on me pointing out inconsistencies in the narrative pushed by the parents check your own sh*t.

Or at the very least have the balls to admit what you did was wrong and apologize for it.

The father has now proven himself to be nothing more than a bully, which some people like myself found out first hand when questions were posed based on his claims.

If you do a search online you can see where he created shadow accounts, stalked and harnessed people who questioned his story.

The real tragedy was, people let their emotions cloud their judgement on the case and I see that is still the case with some.
 nocrapzone
Joined: 1/10/2015
Msg: 224
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Posted: 1/14/2015 7:20:34 AM
slightly odd that of all things to get passionate & exercised about, one would choose the defense of accused..

likely guilty? rapists?

ahead of starving or beaten children those killed bz Boko Harum..wonder what is in HFX s past..
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 225
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Posted: 1/14/2015 9:13:51 AM

slightly odd that of all things to get passionate & exercised about, one would choose the defense of accused..



So after someone founding out that there is good reason to questions the narrative, you find it odd that someone would question people statements when other people's futures are on the line?




likely guilty? rapists?


Who was convicted of rape?




ahead of starving or beaten children those killed bz Boko Harum..wonder what is in HFX s past..


Ahead of being an internet troll with a fake account one has to wonder if you mom still does your laundry.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:13:49 AM
Oh dear looks like bawbag is feeling a bit 'woe is me' lol. Tell you what ya radge you can dish out abuse but you cry like a big jessie if it gets
aimed back at you. Your record on here for running away reporting others is unsurpassed.

You ARE an apologist for rapists. What the donald duck does what has happened with the dad of one of the abused lassies have to do with
anything?
Are you now trying to say the lassie in nova scotia deserved what happened to her because of what her dad is accused off? If not then WHAT
ARE you trying to say?

You knew perfectly well what you wrote on this thread was aimed to do. You sat with your box of kleenex waiting to see who would
object to your words.

What libellous posts daftie? Was it the three pager on a thing called craigs something? You wanted to be 'controversial' and have a
kleenex day. You got your wish. Except lots and lots of folk seen what a weirdo you are.

The rcmp have an open file!!!!!!!! Lol aye right you are you mug. Here wonder what the polis would say if they read your thoughts
on the we need to stop worshiping cops thread you started?

Lol thank **** the only bairns you will ever have will be paper mache ones made with your kleenex lover. Anyway chances are your
a jaffa in that department.

With my permission you can report me to the rcmp if you want? I think you are a nonce. I also think you get your jollys by sympathising
with abusers of drunk lassies. You deserve all the abuse you get. You have neither wit, charm or humour. I hope you are being ironic
or sarcastic when you mention irony or sarcasm. Because you are certainly shite at both.

So as long as you want to be the all knowing snide who trolls the forums i reserve the right to call you a tit. You tit.

Oh here bawbag you usually jump on every thread with your boring posts. See you never posted on the bill cosby rape allegations thread.
why? Were the lassies 'asking for it' like the steubenville case or the nova scotia case? You on bills side then?

Hmmm your silence on the cosby thread speaks volumes. Hope i never put you off your stroke? Your kleenex needs you.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 227
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Posted: 1/14/2015 11:36:02 AM

You ARE an apologist for rapists...


Just an FYI, no one was ever charged with a rape.




What the donald duck does what has happened with the dad of one of the abused lassies have to do with


He tweeted a sexually explicit photo without someone permission. Much in the same way two boys shared a photo of his daughter.




Are you now trying to say the lassie in nova scotia deserved what happened to her because of what her dad is accused off? If not then WHAT ARE you trying to say?


No, that is not what I said at all. That is you trying to influence the discussion, ironically much like her father has been attempting to do right up until the point that he got caught doing the very thing he said killed his daughter.




Here wonder what the polis would say if they read your thoughts on the we need to stop worshiping cops thread you started?


What do you think they would say?

Because if you think they would do anything other than Meh, then that whussing sound would the the whole point of the thread going over your head.




Hmmm your silence on the cosby thread speaks volumes.


So because someone makes a choice not to participate in the thread they are automatically guilty of something?

Do you seriously believe this?
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