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 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 99
The CatfishPage 5 of 6    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)

No one forced them, they chose to participate.
No one "had to" do anything.


I wonder the same thing when I hear of someone being duped out of money-especially if it's someone they haven't actually met in person, but instead, have a fantasy image of the person on the internet. Who is at fault if people willingly hand over money to a stranger? If a pan handler approaches me and other people and says he wants money to buy food, but ends up buying booze or drugs instead, should he be charged with fraud?
 NoxzemaWA
Joined: 2/19/2017
Msg: 100
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 1:08:43 PM
Like I said before, these perpetual catfish especially are going after people who are lonely, dumb and desperate. Those women that Glenn duped were vulnerable and fragile.

I just learned about a guy who was overweight, unattractive and lived in his parents' basement who used a male model's photos and got hundreds of hot girls via Tinder to send him naked pictures and videos. If only those girls saw who was really masturbating and drooling to their videos. *retching* Not only that but these chicks were dumb enough to put their faces in the photos and videos.
 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
Msg: 101
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 1:18:09 PM
Thousands of dollars?
Man I gotta up my Grift skills
 Wilkes_Barre_Candy
Joined: 9/7/2016
Msg: 102
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 1:53:31 PM

people who are lonely, dumb and desperate


This is sad. However, ultimately, we are each accountable for our own actions. First off, why did these women disclose their financials to a stranger on the internet? I've been with my BF for close to a year now, and he still doesn't know my details, he may have some ideas, but I don't tell, he doesn't ask and vice versa.

These people were passive participants. Maybe deep down, they felt so insecure that they felt offering money was going to secure them a relationship?

IMO they are not much better than a john going to a prostitute IF that is their line of thought.

They are "buying love."
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
Msg: 103
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Posted: 3/22/2017 2:04:00 PM
Illusion of love ,,,as sad as phone calls to old folks who just want someone to talk to them ,,like they still matter ,,but next thing you know they just payed for a new roof ,,or what ever ,,,I think there is a special place in hell for those people ,
and Candy ,If I may say,,,,best change you profile ,to read it one would think you are still looking
for the jackpot ,just saying ;-)
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 104
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 5:04:14 PM
Be very careful here generically placing the "responsibility" on a victim's shoulders in this scenario. We don't do it, or at least we should do it, with rape victims, no matter the age or wisdom of the victim themselves. Or we suggesting we should be???????

Scammers (people that prey) have the ability to find the cracks in the armour and use those cracks to wedge a hole of which to sneak in. Some are very good at it. The dirtbag we are speaking of, was good, very good at it, according to everything that I have seen and read about him. There are many business' out there that do the same, all on the edge of the "law". In fact, the moron that runs the US of A could easily be labelled the same, couldn't he? Just listen to the ramblings of the "supporters" who haven't figured it out yet. They still "believe", no matter what has gone on the last couple of months. They have "faith" and thus their "belief" in "him" is still strong.

As soon as they start figuring out the need for the lube, then, and only then, will there be questioning of that belief.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 105
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 6:12:41 PM
Walts- I don't know that I agree with everything you said.
People who prey on the elderly are lower than low and need to go to prison.
But younger, mentally capable adults DO bear some responsibility.
True, those that prey on others are scum, but once we are grown, shouldn't it give us pause if someone we barely know, or worse, haven't even met, ask us for money and we give it? (the generic we)
I've had people TRY.
I laugh, roll my eyes and block them with a quickness.
I get what you are saying, but if both people are consenting adults and with it, mentally, I have to agree that loneliness and desperation plays a role.
Rape involves force, not giving someone a choice.
A stranger on the internet can't force someone to do anything, they have to make the choice to give a stranger money to get played.
 Mz_Informed
Joined: 11/15/2016
Msg: 106
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 7:11:01 PM
Jeeze, I gave Glenn my recipe for pickled beets. Now I'm wondering if he made any money off that...
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 107
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 7:32:36 PM

Jeeze, I gave Glenn my recipe for pickled beets. Now I'm wondering if he made any money off that...


It is clear he did.

As what he needed to do was gain the trust of a few and then his scam plays out even easier.

So by not calling him out on his bullsh*t like many did, you may have inadvertently helped him gain the trust of others.
 Wilkes_Barre_Candy
Joined: 9/7/2016
Msg: 108
The Catfish
Posted: 3/22/2017 9:31:59 PM

Illusion of love

l’amour n’est qu’une illusion


Be very careful here generically placing the "responsibility" on a victim's shoulders in this scenario. We don't do it, or at least we should do it, with rape victims, no matter the age or wisdom of the victim themselves.

Funny that you brought this up, Walts, I had this thought before I typed in that post but decided to post anyway, Rape is an act of degradation and violence, the scam I recently read about in here about the Iceman was all about the almighty dollar.


But younger, mentally capable adults DO bear some responsibility.
Yes they do and some may feel embarrassed to have been duped, they trusted, they believed, they were taken in by tales of woe and dazzled by charm.


As what he needed to do was gain the trust of a few and then his scam plays out even easier.

So by not calling him out on his bullsh*t like many did, you may have inadvertently helped him gain the trust of others.

What if someone did call a scammer out, only to be villified? See, the scammer got to scam, because he had the support of others behind him, and is a master of manipulation. He would mask and project and deflect.

If anyone in here has been "victimized" by someone who lied, manipulated, pretended to be something or someone they weren't they shouldn't feel shame, they gave that person the benefit of the doubt. I've seen Catfish the TV show, how people get someone else's photographs via social media or even use photo shop to create a false persona.

In fact there is a site where one can upload a photo to get data and see if photo shop was employed, they've used things like this on the TV show.

https://29a.ch/photo-forensics/#strings

click on "open file" upload the pic in question and then click "string extraction" on bottom right hand side to get info like if photo shop was used. Click on other elements in the right hand side that can "illuminate" - that is just one aspect of a Catfish. Then start piecing things together...don't be too hard on yourself when you start to see what was previously overlooked. Another poster named SLAFFA recently commented that when we see thumbnails on our phone, it is easier to be fooled (paraphrasing) Perhaps he's seen the mystique of the Cat Fish as well?
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
Msg: 109
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Posted: 3/23/2017 2:10:25 AM
" Life's the illusion love is the dream" the buzzcocks ,,,everybody's happy nowadays

anyone getting contact request on Skype ??? all scames ,,,I mostly get girls from Ghana for some reason,,they
call you up but (always the same) vidio but no mic,,they look like the photo as well,,,all bunk ,,,
I was bored one winter and strung one along for 2 weeks ,,,my pearsonal best ,,now I just block
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 110
The Catfish
Posted: 3/23/2017 6:05:50 AM
the classic internet scam, the fake Nigerian prince asking for help to steal money from his country, worked on victims who thought they were going to profit from a crime without getting their hands dirty doing the crime. So they weren't innocent of mind, compared to say, a rape victim jumped by a stranger. Most rapes, however, are acquaintance rapes, done by someone the victim knows. In that way, they can have something in common with the modern scammer we're posting about, a person who comes into our life as a "Confidence man", the original definition of a con man, the person who gains our confidence in order to steal from us, different from a burglar in the night.

Some of us who got burned in youth, or heard the story of someone who did and took it to heart, learned a lesson. While we may still have hope in the goodness of humanity, we avoid the ones who are "Too good to be true." its the risk of leaving our bedroom and going out into the world and interacting...tho of course the internet now invades our bedrooms. I do feel bad for the elderly who get scammed, I took care of my parents in their last days of waning thinking ability, recalibrated their voice mail to let sleazy contractors know they wouldn't be welcomed with open arms.

"The moron running the US could be labeled the same, his supporters still believe no matter what's gone on in the last couple of months"

>>>some people just want a blank slate they can paint their dreams on. Some people want a White Knight to promote White Male Supremacy. Some people figure they can use a narcissist to get their one important issue passed into law and just don't give a fig about anything else.

so Iceman was this Glenn Whitter, a known scammer? interesting. I guess trusting radical right wingers is an automatic red flag :)
 Mz_Informed
Joined: 11/15/2016
Msg: 111
The Catfish
Posted: 3/23/2017 7:58:45 AM

So by not calling him out on his bullsh*t like many did, you may have inadvertently helped him gain the trust of others.


Nah. He got a lame @ss recipe for pickled beets; never went any further than that. I knew nothing of his hustling ways so had nothing to call him out on.
 tomfiend
Joined: 3/9/2017
Msg: 112
The Catfish
Posted: 3/23/2017 9:32:29 AM
Actually, the classic scams these days are the counterfeit check scams....you get a valid looking counterfeit certified check for some reason...somebody is buying your car, or you are a secret shopper, or even a lawyer .... put the check in your bank... you are immediately given access to the funds via Federal Law for certified checks... you refund a good portion of the check to the scammer.... check turns out to be no good....you are on the hook.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 113
The Catfish
Posted: 3/23/2017 6:24:38 PM
Tomfiend- I just got one of those a couple of weeks ago.
"You have been chosen as a secret shopper. We are looking to get in US markets, we wan't you to go to a list of stores we send you to and after you go, you will be paid even more. Simply cash this check and we'll send you the list, blah blah."
I shredded it and then threw it away.
Unreal.
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
Msg: 114
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:32:08 PM
sorry miss candy tried to message on the QT my profile suggestion but your fire wall burnt me ,,ouch
 tomfiend
Joined: 3/9/2017
Msg: 115
The Catfish
Posted: 3/24/2017 7:36:51 AM
Forumslady...many people are taken in by the scam. A few lawyers lost a few hundred thousand in the check scam.... scams are just too many to count...advance loan schemes. .etc. My mom in the last year of her life was taken for a few thousand in the granny scheme. Even after she told me she sent money via money gram, I couldn't convnice her she had been scammed..until she actually spoke with her grandson......and in her younger years she was very sharp....would have laughed at the scammer. These scammer are predators.

Just for kicks set up a virtual machine on my computer and allow the tech scammers to remote control in......they have all sorts of ways of trying to get your money.

Believe nobody when they ask for money unless you know you are dealing g with a legitimate person. The sale of trump and Ryan show how easy it is to fool people.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 116
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Posted: 3/24/2017 1:32:38 PM
Tomfiend-"My mom in the last year of her life was taken for a few thousand in the granny scheme."
I'm sorry that happened to your mom, that's awful. As I said to Walts, there's a special place in he'' for people who prey on the elderly.
I'm not sure you've seen me talk about being raised by my grand parents, but because of that, I respect and feel protective of elderly people.
Why do you think more/stricter laws aren't being passed to find these people and put them in jail for a LONG time?
I know there are laws already, but these types of crimes don't seem to be very high priority. Perhaps if they were, things would change and we would at least see less of it.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 117
The Catfish
Posted: 3/24/2017 2:27:59 PM
"..raised by my grandparents....I feel protective of elderly people"

>>>my best friend has a lot of pets, so she focuses on people who abuse them, I took care of my parents, so elderly care abuse catches my eye. I think we're all ultra-sensitive of what we're most familiar with. I know my state has mandatory reporting if hospitals etc see clues, don't know how other states handle that. As more Baby Boomers fall into these scenarios, perhaps AARP will petition for more laws/restrictions. Then again, a certain political party runs hard on getting rid of government agencies that protect the public, like the EPA. Who could be lining their pockets against such things?

http://www.blackpressusa.com/lawmakers-lobbyists-attack-obamas-consumer-protection-agency/
 Wilkes_Barre_Candy
Joined: 9/7/2016
Msg: 118
The Catfish
Posted: 3/24/2017 2:56:34 PM

sorry miss candy tried to message on the QT my profile suggestion but your fire wall burnt me ,,ouch


whaddya mean, jellybean?

you would like me to change my profile?

"BUILD A UTERINE WALL" !
 tomfiend
Joined: 3/9/2017
Msg: 119
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:57:17 PM
There are laws... but these people hide their tracks... When you pay by Moneygram...very hard to trace. All the recipient needs is the name and account number to retrieve.....and lots of time they are outside the US...in my Mom's case... the moneygram was sent to Canada, but not unusual from a scam to arise overseas. Think of the one where a friend has email hacked and then you get an email from friend stuck in a European city, whose wallet was stolen, and they need you to lend them money so they can get out of there and return home and they need your help.

I've played with a few scammers in my days...they always wanted money sent by moneygram or wired to an account with a false name... or the IRS scammers want you to pay via a prepaid gift card... and people actually do it.

In a few week period, I collected, as a project, several counterfeit checks in the amounts of $200K to $400K. The more of a sucker they think you are, the more brazen they become. The theory being I was to deposit the certified checks.... take my fee, and wire the difference to the scammer.....

I also had Nigerian and Lagos scamsters believing I was on a plane to meet them at an airport with boatloads of cash on me. Something always happened though where I could not catch the plane or the cash was confiscated by law enforcement and I couldn't make the flight and they waited for nothing.

Of course, they hid their true identities from me.... and I hid mine from them...using a fake passport photo and name so they thought they knew who they were dealing with.

Yes . . . . I can be cruel like that.... but since they were trying to scam me, I didn't feel that bad about it.
 forumslady
Joined: 12/7/2016
Msg: 120
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Posted: 3/24/2017 4:19:50 PM
tomfiend- Now that I think about it, I had forgotten that my sister's ex got taken in the check scam, that was years ago and I'm pretty sure he learned his lesson.

What you explained makes perfect sense. I hear/read about the foreign schemes. It's not that I'm naive and don't know these things happen, it's just that I could never do such a thing. I'm not heartless.
What you said about being cruel, no way, don't say that, turn about is fair play and they deserve it.

@gto- You are right about Trump. What would he care about scam's, heck he could give scammers lessons.
As far as your friend, I'm protective of animals too.
I've had dogs as pets for most of my life. I promote, and donate to, causes that protect them (and other animals).
The last two dogs I adopted came from the pound.
Sadly, one I had to put down because he got old and sick and it would have been cruel to let him suffer, but I still have the other one.
I'm forever encouraging people to adopt from pounds.
In addition to the elderly and animals, my main cause and what I get most upset about is the mistreatment of children.
I'm not a saint, far from it, but as long as I live I will always do what I can to help the most vulnerable in our society.
 Just-a-Kissing
Joined: 7/6/2011
Msg: 121
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Posted: 8/14/2017 10:57:36 AM
There is nothing wrong with my cousin - She is a hot young thing - beautiful woman
 hakkata
Joined: 7/19/2017
Msg: 122
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Posted: 8/14/2017 1:34:56 PM
^^^ two posts in seven years?

By the way, I like your photo so I upped the ante....
 Dvljet
Joined: 6/20/2014
Msg: 123
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Posted: 8/29/2017 8:12:15 PM
Here's a new scam and I have informed pof of it . It seems the fakes build multiple profiles then they email you saying get verified at this pof affiliated site which when you check it out it has nothing to do with pof but does ask for your credit card . Here's the sad truth about these verify sites their a load of trash because it's impossible to verify if someone's legal age because even under aged kids have credit cards . Also it's a scam because they charge you if you don't cancel . The thing that annoys me the most is these people go and ruin the legit people's experience because how are legit people supposed to trust others .
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