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 martinswain
Joined: 1/29/2013
Msg: 24
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Hi RussArtLover, you've got the right idea, or close enough anyway. I said the question "why do we age" is a wrong question and I think it is.

That doesn't mean I think we should blindly "accept our fate" by not asking questions about aging, far from it. I just think that particular question is a dead end and therefore a wast of time.

OTOH, the question, *how* do we age is probably a very good and potentially instructive and enlightening one to ask. There's already a lot of things everyone knows about it, i.e. that a good diet, plenty of sleep, lots of water, regular exercise, all the "usual" stuff, can go a long way towards ameliorating the effects of aging. Anyone who thinks these are trivial is likely one of the following; too young to have come up against the reality of aging, already there and is too stupid or stubborn to accept the truth, or is a crook who's out to fraudulently separate old people from their money.

Personally, I have great faith in the power of diet and exercise, and if I'm lucky enough to hold on to my health I plan to retrain as a fitness instructor for seniors should I ever have the ability to retire.

Metta
 DevilfromToronto
Joined: 9/23/2012
Msg: 25
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/10/2013 11:13:04 PM
^^^^^
"Why do we age" and "How do we age" are two individual questions of different directions
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 26
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 5:06:20 AM

did your wife ever see/meet ghosts, just curious ??


She has seen ghosts, but not met them as in converse with them. Belief in ghosts is a part of her culture.
 martinswain
Joined: 1/29/2013
Msg: 27
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 7:56:29 AM

"Why do we age" and "How do we age" are two individual questions of different directions


Yes, that was the point. One question is good, the other is a waste of time. You might find it useful to read the thread before responding.
 DevilfromToronto
Joined: 9/23/2012
Msg: 28
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Posted: 3/11/2013 8:26:27 AM
^^^^^
I did read the posts...
there can be some realistic answers for the question "why do we age", then why is the question a waste of time ?? Even though there may not be a known exact answer for the question, so what.... are you sure all others threads here (including those with tens of pages) have known answers ??

Regarding the question "how do we age", I do hope what you suggested would help, but I really
DOUBT, see how many guys in their 40's are using viagra, and people using botox. Of course a healthy
lifestyle is logically much better, at least they don't go to doctors so often. Regarding physical exercises, I think
it really depends on the person's age and physical situation, it will speed up aging if the person is over working. NO one like aging, me neither. I haven't been doing exercise in the past over 10 years, I eat junks all day, pounds of candies, cream cake.... but I take our cultural herbal tea to balance my bad habits.
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 29
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 9:30:38 AM
When asked why do we age, there is a practical and philosophical aspect to that sort of question.

The practical part is useful, if we know exactly the mechanisms behind aging then perhaps we can control them.

How we age is similar IMO to the practical question of why do we age?

One could elect to answer How do we Age in a philosophical manner also, as in we should age with grace, or fight aging as the ending of the night, or fade slowing into old age.
 martinswain
Joined: 1/29/2013
Msg: 30
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Posted: 3/11/2013 10:10:59 AM

I did read the posts...
there can be some realistic answers for the question "why do we age", then why is the question a waste of time ??


I don't think there can be. Are you sure you read what I wrote? If you have something to say directly to me about that I'll address it, otherwise I'm not going to respond further. Please don't be offended.
 DevilfromToronto
Joined: 9/23/2012
Msg: 31
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Posted: 3/11/2013 12:59:45 PM
When asked why do we age, there is a practical and philosophical aspect to that sort of question.


what is the philosophical aspect of this question "why do we age", may I ask ??

I am more interested in the practical aspect of it, to answer it, my first opinion will be "the world will not be overloading with living human someday if we age (and die)"


One could elect to answer How do we Age in a philosophical manner also


you like to put "PHILOSOPHICAL" by your mouth, can you specifically clarify/explain/describe with respect to the above statement (HOW DO WE AGE in a philosophical manner)?


She has seen ghosts


what did your wife tell you about what ghosts looked like ?? (you probably asked your wife the same question I did)


Are you sure you read what I wrote?


more than enough to make my argument


If you have something to say directly to me about that I'll address it, otherwise I'm not going to respond further


I am here to post my opinions, its not necessary for you to respond


Please don't be offended.


Not at all.
The fun part of the Forum here is having some people to "play" with
 DragonBits
Joined: 1/6/2012
Msg: 32
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 1:26:04 PM

what did your wife tell you about what ghosts looked like ?? (you probably asked your wife the same question I did)


Maybe ask all ghost questions at one time, I Skype with my wife and only chat with her at night. Since I don't believe in ghosts, it kind of didn't matter too much to me. She said she was at a friends house. Nearly everyone believes in ghosts in Thailand.


what is the philosophical aspect of this question "why do we age", may I ask ??




I am more interested in the practical aspect of it, to answer it, my first opinion will be "the world will not be overloading with living human someday if we age (and die)"


I think a lot of that was covered by other posters. Is it part of a grand design? Can anything be immortal] since one day the sun will not shine. It may not explode BTW and what immortal has to do with aging is beyond me, they are two different things. If you cannot age you can still be killed.

the world will not be overloading with living human someday if we age (and die)

Aging and dying has little to with over population. It's likely population will level off as the world becomes more urban.

If we didn't age, would we still want to reproduce? That would be the key question that influences over population.

But we are a long, long way from solving aging, so this is all theoretical.

Other interesting questions if we did prevent aging:
No doubt it would have to involved genetics.

So would it be done on the fetus, or on the sperm and egg, or on fully formed human beings?

And if fully formed human beings, could we just stop the aging process, or reverse it?

If I am a 90 year old man, do I really want to stop aging and remain 90 years old for the next XXX years? Sure, if I can remain 30 I would go for it, but 90 forever? Of course it doesn't have to be forever, death by suicide would always be possible.


The fun part of the Forum here is having some people to "play" with


I like to playin person IRL, it has always seemed like more fun.
 sexandthepof
Joined: 10/1/2012
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Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 5:30:03 PM
Post #25: "At present I don't have any desire to live millions of years. (even with a memory download). A few hundred years, even a couple of thousand would be great though."

I work in long term care business with old people from 20s up till now. I respect humanity. I really respect everybody and his/her will to live as long as he/she wishes. However, imagining if everybody could live a few hundred or a couple of thousands years, our society should have a mean of employment for everyone to work to 150 or a thousand years old at least. Otherwise, how many young people can work to support all those people who stop working at 65 and live forever? The society would be very poor and crazy. Not to mention there's no job provided yet, who would like to work after 70, 80, 90 and over 100 years old?
 DevilfromToronto
Joined: 9/23/2012
Msg: 34
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/11/2013 8:45:57 PM
Nearly everyone believes in ghosts in Thailand.


I am thinking, if there were ghosts, we human (or any animals) should not be able to see or feel them since ghosts and human are in different forms, ghosts and human should be staying in different "tracks of space" .


Aging and dying has little to with over population. It's likely population will level off as the world becomes more urban.

If we didn't age, would we still want to reproduce?


people (in general) have different thoughts throughout their different stages in life, when they are young, they want datings, relationships, marriages, families, children.. etc., these seem to be dreams of normal people, who cares about "not aging". Look at the most populated countries China and India.
 RussArtLover
Joined: 5/13/2010
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Posted: 3/11/2013 11:04:21 PM

I work in long term care business with old people from 20s up till now. I respect humanity. I really respect everybody and his/her will to live as long as he/she wishes. However, imagining if everybody could live a few hundred or a couple of thousands years, our society should have a mean of employment for everyone to work to 150 or a thousand years old at least. Otherwise, how many young people can work to support all those people who stop working at 65 and live forever? The society would be very poor and crazy. Not to mention there's no job provided yet, who would like to work after 70, 80, 90 and over 100 years old?

Part of living that long would be a new type of creativity we'd have to teach each other. Of course, if I was stuck looking 80 for 200 years I'd be pissed and suicide but if I were age reversed to 19, or 25 even I'd go-for-it and help teach people how to reach into themselves and pull out some genius. You may have noticed I do exactly that on here from time to time :) In person and intimate is better. I'd a lot rather see someones eyes twinkle than put them on the spot on a forum read by hundreds of people daily.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 36
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/13/2013 8:07:18 AM

Why do we age?

This:

The Science of Aging
Why do we age, from a biological perspective?
Written and created by Mitchell Moffit and Gregory Brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BkcXbx5rSzw#!
Why do we age?
Posted: 3/14/2013 4:45:20 AM
I offer a (obvious) clarification. Or two. For the sake of discussion reset -

- Often when we're talking about aging, we're talking about changing, in various ways. Not necessarily heading towards an expiration date. To not die, we wouldn't want to just stop all change.

- Eventually dying is caused by one or both of: environmental or life-style factors which are too hard on some part(s) of our physiology, and features of our physiology which do have the effect of winding down of their own machinations, independent of any aforementioned factors.

...however, from my limited knowledge on this subject, I do see the possibility that either those intrinsic aging dynamics of physiology don't necessarily have to automatically have this effect, or otherwise that it's pretty plausible now to affect these features of our physiology/genetics such that aging towards a "worn-out" state can be eliminated.
 pmannn
Joined: 3/17/2004
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Posted: 3/14/2013 7:37:00 AM
quote = I'm gonna take a wild guess: It's because we keep growing older 'cuz we haven't had the decency to die yet ... ?



I like this answer.
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