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 Just___Jim
Joined: 10/21/2012
Msg: 19
White SmokePage 2 of 2    (1, 2)

Lets see how this all translates to his new role at the helm of the papacy
The question will be whether or not he can bring everyone 'down to earth' where he has been
Or will there be more of the 'same' (here's the new boss, same as the old boss)


True, as we already know of their past failures and cover-ups, the people need to see a change if the Roman Catholic church survives into the 21 century.

And picking a priest from the now largest congregation, in South America was a good political move because of the numbers there.
Yet first there needs a in house house cleaning in their high Archy. And next it's time to catch up with the rest of the world. Like birth control, abortion, females priests,etc needs to be addressed. And to screen all who decided to become and ordained into the priesthood with frequent back round checks as a on going thing in this career.

Whether it be Penn State, the Boy Scouts, Mooseheart, the Military or any organization for that matter, there needs to be a constant accountability and safe guards in people we trust with children,young adults,etc.


Too many of the poorest people in Argentina, including some Jesuits who worked among the poor in the barrios of Buenos Aires and other cities, were killed, or disappeared, for the crime of asking for a chance of having a better life.



True, and lets see how that plays out as that is nothing new as I have lived in third world countries in the past and have seen first hand how only the higher ups, religious groups etc received the money and donations from abroad but very little if any was received by the local poor peasants there.
As these are the true crimes against humanity when you have corrupt power, ego, slavery,and evil in the name of whatever your belief is at the time in committing these atrocities in the name of God.

Good luck Pope Francis
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 20
White Smoke
Posted: 3/14/2013 9:19:23 AM
It will be interesting to see how Liberation Theology fares under Pope Francis.

It was one thing when a European who had a deep suspicion of anything that smacked of Marxism was Pope. But Francis comes from Latin America where the doctrine was born. He's seen the abuses of humanity by the right, not just the left like John Paul II.
 Kings_Knight
Joined: 1/20/2009
Msg: 21
White Smoke
Posted: 3/14/2013 12:14:01 PM

" ... But Francis comes from Latin America where the doctrine was born. He's seen the abuses of humanity by the right, not just the left like John Paul II. ... "


Where did you ever get the idea Chavez, Ché, Castro, Kirchner, Péron, et al are / were Children of the Right ... ? They're all Committed Socialists and Communists, the ideology of the LEFT (i.e., Marxism). Last time I checked, Conservatism, Freedom, Limited Government, etc and all things Right was not exactly a flower in full bloom in America del Sud. Your agenda's showing.
 Celje
Joined: 6/18/2012
Msg: 22
White Smoke
Posted: 3/14/2013 12:24:37 PM
Do you people honestly believe ONE man makes all these decisions?

Maybe having the authority of telling everyone what may or maynot happen, but solely deciding stuff, no way.
 Just___Jim
Joined: 10/21/2012
Msg: 24
White Smoke
Posted: 3/14/2013 4:39:14 PM

(But more importantly, is he going to hold the priests who sexually abuse children accountable? Will he dismiss the last guy's claim that condoms deepen the AIDS crisis in Africa?


This is true, as most countries have a history of past abuse. And since you now live France,and most there are all bent out of shape for same sex marriage gay rights etc, as the same religion you condemn in the same breath as Rome?
Just wondering if you Care to comment on that one or will u speak up in that issue too?
 LifeRocksAgain
Joined: 5/30/2012
Msg: 26
White Smoke
Posted: 3/14/2013 6:05:18 PM
Why is this the first pope to step down? Why were all the pedophile, boy-buggering members of the Vatican simply re-assigned and large sums of money paid to make their cardinal sins go away? I don't get it! Oh, wait, I get it.
 Just___Jim
Joined: 10/21/2012
Msg: 27
White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 5:48:10 AM

Why were all the pedophile, boy-buggering members of the Vatican simply re-assigned and large sums of money paid to make their cardinal sins go away? I don't get it! Oh, wait, I get it.



Like any other establishment, is when 'good people' turn their head and do nothing. There are no sanctimonious places on earth where evil does not live in the minds of men and women.

As with this traditional church, they are no different. As they are still run by people, and hopefully it will run in the way it's mean to be.


Wanna look at all those weird American "churches" and cults


Yup, like mental illness everyone is looking for a purpose and meaning. Just don't drink the kool-aid ok.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 28
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White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 9:42:15 AM
Ah the new pope. Below is a true story. This arsehole is actually a member of her majestys opposition and represents an area in london in the houses of parliament.

David Lammy, the Labour MP, has apologised after accusing the BBC of spreading “silly innuendo” about the race of the Pope after he apparently failed to realise a tweet about “black or white” smoke referred to the way the conclave selects a new pontiff. Mr Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, was left embarrassed after he responded to a tweet from the BBC yesterday which said: “LIVE VIDEO: Chimney of Sistine Chapel as #conclave votes for #Pope – will smoke be black or white?” Mr Lammy then linked to the tweet from his own account and added: “This tweet from the BBC is crass and unnecessary. Do we really need silly innuendo about the race of the next Pope?” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9926894/Labour-MP-embarrassed-after-claiming-that-white-or-black-smoke-tweet-about-the-Pope-is-about-race.html

They walk amongst us indeed. Beware 'them' normal folk. But one good thing these divs just reinforce the knowledge amongst normal people that politicians are arseholes, labour party ones are obsessed by race and like our own 24/7 they can spout shite 365 days of the year. And 366 on a leap year.

Hope you bead rattlers have at last got someone who will actually lead your faith forward.

Time will tell but methinks once pope franny (as francis' are called over here) gets to vatican city he will find vipers playing out their game and jostling for position.

Interesting times for youse rattlers of the beads
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 29
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White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 11:22:08 AM
^^^^Is this guy somehow related to Joe Biden? Electing him doesn't speak very well of the voters in Tottenham. Maybe they should pay a little less attention to their famous football team and a little more to who they send to Parliament.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 30
White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 6:47:23 PM

Is this guy somehow related to Joe Biden?


No, he'd have to be related way more to Mit Romney ( MR & Ryan actually combined to make JB sound smooth & eloquent, such that he sent them both a "thank you" card for helping to keep the spot light off him and on them).


Interesting times for youse rattlers of the beads


Maybe youse Anglicanics should try it too; worshipers (the few that might be left) may actually be forced to wake up during services.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 31
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White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 7:12:24 PM
It will be good to get some good conspiracy going

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.[13] Francis (2013–present)


The prophecy of the popes is pretty interesting and regardless of opinions on it... if they believe it then the resignation was to bring about the last pope. And (if the picture isn't faked) he comes with Lightning :)

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/10/17238040-are-cardinals-electing-the-last-pope-if-you-believe-nostradamus?lite

And for those well-versed in the language of brimstone and fire, the signs could not have been more transparent when just hours after Benedict announced he would abdicate, a bolt of lightning struck St. Peter’s Basilica, the very heart of Christianity. A few days later a shower of meteorites fell and devastated a village in Russia.


http://www.infowars.com/russian-meteor-linked-to-da14-asteroid/

:)
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 32
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White Smoke
Posted: 3/15/2013 9:34:02 PM
Ah yule

If youd pay attention then you would know that IF i was a prod then i would be church
of scotland. And if i wanted to be really really barking then i would be part of the wee
frees.

But im not. Although christened a prod i gave up on religion yonks ago. Im a heathen
atheist neo fascist ne'er do well.

The only hell i can get a shiver down my spine with would be trapped in a battle cruiser
with brian adams and phil collins on the jukey having to read 24/7's thousands of posts
per day and skol lager being the only drink.

See the church of england means plums up here and we have no official religion

Remember the reformation started here and the covenanters told the monarchy to
piss off.

So i do wish rattlers of the beads well but neither chapel nor church appeals to me.

I dont kick with either foot

Toodle and a big mcpip
 HelenBackAgain
Joined: 1/7/2013
Msg: 33
White Smoke
Posted: 3/16/2013 7:54:29 AM
Did everybody but me know that the Pope wasn't allowed to have a cat?

Or a dog, for that matter, if he'd wanted one. No pets in the papal residence.

I wonder if this was a factor in the historic retirement.

Couldn't he have just said God told him to get one?
 Celje
Joined: 6/18/2012
Msg: 34
White Smoke
Posted: 3/16/2013 8:07:50 AM
No, because they believe THEY are God.
 Sciencetreker
Joined: 2/13/2012
Msg: 35
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White Smoke
Posted: 3/16/2013 11:12:44 AM
"Did everybody but me know that the Pope wasn't allowed to have a cat?
Or a dog, for that matter, if he'd wanted one. No pets in the papal residence."

^^^^^
they have pets...altar boys. The odd Pope may also be into hamsters.
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