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 TheRe-SownRose
Joined: 2/3/2013
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well i thought i would say this, we can see who is pathetic, can you not read???

an unemployed person i know in Rotherham has to pay council tax £6 a month, and £84 bedroom tax a month on the council house she has had 30 year to bring her family up in, and thats out of £300 a month and it aint her fault she is unemployed either, thats the CONservatives for you, ROB THE POOR, now thats what you call pathetic, educate yourself jeez.

all these pathetic things that come in are from her ideas, ie POLL con TAX, and the pathetic CONservatives ROB THE POOR, its blatant and easy to see yet you rant about EMBASSY'S and STRIKES from the seventies that were that rare barley anyone can remember them, they didnt destroy thousands upon thousands of peoples lives, miners couldnt queue for bread they had nothing but handouts from other HUMAN BEINGS who felt their plight and agreed with them, as for the EMBASSY'S its a big shame she wasnt blown to kingdom come then, a big big shame, shes made the country what it is now a complete and utter mess where the CONservatives ROB and USE the poor and unemployed to try and get them out of the mess THEY put us in, for the 1 good that witch did, there were 50 bads she did,and my view aint biased or unbalanced, READ the rest of the post and see who agrees with you, NO-ONE, toodle pip :-).


You are saying the same things again and again without saying anything at all, did you realise that?
Obviously I can read, and so can you (I think), I'm not sure that you understand though.
 matt e
Joined: 12/28/2007
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Posted: 4/9/2013 11:53:49 AM
THATCHERS DEAD? ........blimey who's gonna be prime minister now !!
 GeordieColin
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Posted: 4/9/2013 12:25:08 PM

I look at what's been said on here and what I've seen on fb and in the media, and I'm ridiculously glad, that I'm not ruled by my emotions and that my head (rather than my heart) does my thinking.

If some people want to be happy about her death, then so be it.... It's just not my style.

I don't think I'd celebrate an empty victory, either.

I think I'd need to take a long, hard look at myself, if I ever found myself having a celebration, because some senile old woman had died.

Totally agree.
I think there is no doubt that her policies divided the Country but it seems to me that many romanticize the conditions she inherited and what the alternative options and possible outcome would have been if she was never elected.
We were a very sick Nation when she took over.
I'm no Tory, or indeed affiliated with any party. I think that we can find pro's and cons about any PM that ever lived.And to some degree there policies and decisions where a product of the times and those who really pulled the strings. We could argue about the specifics until the cows come home.
 matt e
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Posted: 4/9/2013 2:12:05 PM
I dont buy into the crap about Britain was lucky to have her because we were the sick man of europe etc. Its called recession and no government of either colour has managed to stear Britain away from a world recession in history. And by the way we were still in it way into the eighties and we were in another one when she left office Thats why they kicked her out.
 holby
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Posted: 4/9/2013 2:36:53 PM
The iron lady dead
Rust in peace
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 4/9/2013 3:22:55 PM

How about some facts for once.


of those figures you produced...when did nuclear reactors start putting power into the grid? What was the size of those colleries shut? how much was left in them and how expensive was it getting to retrieve? evidently there was a mass advancements in mining...none of that had anything to do with it?


Fact 4: Between 1960 and 1965 the number of collieries dropped by 115
Fact 5: Between 1965 and 1970 the number of collieries dropped by 191 under Harold Wilson
Fact 6: Between 1970 and 1975 the number of collieries dropped by 51
Fact 6: Between 1975 and 1980 the number of collieries dropped by 30 under Harold Wilson and James Callaghan


in this period, didn't 13 nukes connect to the grid?

in 78 the western world go awake up call about nukes with the 3 mile island disaster. the Americans stopped building them, thatcher administration however built 3...including one after Chenyobl...why?

i shouldn't be complaining, I am a mackem (what geordie called sunderland supporting coal miners, makem take the barrow down , mackem push the barrow up again...
 TheRe-SownRose
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Posted: 4/9/2013 11:49:47 PM

And the winner of the most passive aggressive post goes to ........


I won something?!
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:13:07 AM

So between 1960 and 1970 the number of employees dropped by 315,000

Nearly 50 % of the workforce.


Between 1970 and 1980 the number of employees dropped by 57,000

Roughly 25 % of the workforce


Between 1980 and 1990 the number of employees dropped by 173,000

nearly 75% of the work force


So thatcher did the most damage....
 imanorangetiger
Joined: 12/29/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2013 3:24:50 AM
Like her or loathe her, she still changed the face of British politics and there have been worse PMs before and since. All I know is that although I never voted Tory, I gained a ruddy good civil servant job under Thatcher's government and lost it under Brown's, through Blair and Brown's crappy economics and illegal warmongering.
 matt e
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:12:39 AM

Is this State Funeral the Tories are insisting on, going to be taxpayer funded?


Yes
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:43:32 AM

They still owe from when she sent the RAF to the Sahara desert to look for her multi millionaire arms dealers son.




In 1982 he got lost in the Sahara during the Paris-Dakar rally. The then Prime Minister sent Denis Thatcher to co-ordinate the search for him.

After Mark was found a dinner was held at a hotel in Tamanrasset in Algeria with the bill sent to the British embassy. It was so large that it led to a diplomatic missive to the Foreign Office. Baroness Thatcher picked up the bill for the dinner and the rescue mission.

My first copy and paste post. If you can't beat em join em.
 aysana
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:53:44 AM
I am not saying anything good,bad or indifferent about Mrs T but there is no doubt thats its upset a lot of people.
I can't blame the protesters or the supporters.Sad thing is that the tax funded funeral will not go down well with people.
They think you can do everything on £53 per week but they can claim expenses of £3750 just to attend her funeral......apparently MP's salaries are not high enough. I am in full time work and always have been bar once for 5months but I can still understand that £53 is not enough and hate the resentment against the worst off in society .
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/10/2013 9:54:45 AM

proud to be British?


Yes, I still am.
The only time I'm not, is when I see my fellow Brits filled with hatred for another human being.
I wouldn't wish some of the things on a rabid dog, that some wish for on other people.


Tony Blair will be more hated when he dies ( hopefully swinging by his neck from a lamp post) he has her eyes.



Oh dear, and another one.


lol Chuzzy, do you think for 1 millisecond they would give a thought for you, theyd rather spit on you like they do now, we just dont feel the spit, but thats what they are doing, i dont hate many people but 10 million for a hated womans funeral is...yep...sick, i wont be proud to be British on that day when i know where that kind of money would be better spent, not a chance in hell


Who are the 'they' you are talking about? No -one is spitting on me Nick!


 DAFT_DOG
Joined: 4/23/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2013 10:01:58 AM
Sure she made some bad choices/decisions in hindsight, ( thats what politicians do isnt it ? )

But what of succsessive gov`ts ?.. i personally think britain is now a bit of a joke on the world stage, certainly i dont feel we have anywhere near the same level of respect that we did have during the thatcher years, we have hardly any armed forces left ( and they`ll probably shrink even more over the next few years to save a few pennies )...

So she`s far from the worst PM we`ve ever had ( imo ), as for her battles with the unions, well i always thought they had TOO much power anyway.
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/10/2013 10:22:32 AM

Check your facts...She paid 2 grand towards the rescue mission, which involved the RAF and airforces of France the US and Algeria and picked up the bar tab after a near diplomatic incident



Like you, I can't check my facts.
As I said, Cut and paste.

We can all do it you know.
What are the facts, do any of us really know?

No, I didn't think so.


Yorks , your condemnation and hatred of Margaret Thatcher has made my day. I'm stunned.


And for me too billy. It seems everyone is spitting on me. yuk.


 Nottinghamfellow
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Posted: 4/10/2013 10:39:20 AM
I'm playing spot the difference on face book.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 4/10/2013 10:46:14 AM
I wouldn't ordinarily say something bad, about a person who has just died, if I simply didn't like them.
I just wouldn't post, as in the "Jade Goodey" thread.

But Thatcher spread misery, and despair, and unemployment, and who knows how many suicides, as a result of that...She did it all without the slightest hint of any emotion or empathy.

The decimation of the manufacturing base, coal, shipbuilding, iron and steel etc etc., was all done for "ideological reasons."
She objected to 'collective bargaining, she objected to the strength from unity, which working people had, through the unions.
So she made 'secondary picketing' a crime, and used mounted-police, and literally thousands of others, to 'break' strikes in the private sector, as well as the public sector.

Notably, the "Fortress Wapping" dispute. She wholeheartedly approved of Mr Murdock sacking his entire workforce.
Murdoch later admitted that he couldn't have done it without her, and there wasn't another country in the world, which would have given police-backing for his actions. (They were actually illegal in many other countries!)

Mr Cameraman continued the 'tradition' of those close links with Murdoch, until he (nearly) got caught.
The public lies he told about Coulson, will emerge, in due course. (Maybe at Coulson's trial..?)

Her death, and the state funeral, which "isn't a state funeral", which is being paid by the public, is a disgrace IMO.
Particularly as Mr Cameraman, and all of those currently claiming she was the "best Prime Minister ever", and wanting to "honour her achievements, are all multi-millionaires, and could well afford the costs themselves.

It's not "a fact" that she was such a great prime minister.
If she really had been "the best ever", then why did the tories themselves, get rid of her..?

This is sheer hypocrisy.
Cameraman is using this to spin the tories as always having had good policies.
I heard William Hague trying to justify the estimated £10 Million costs, by saying she had "won" us £75 Billion back from the EU.
But for every such example, there is another, like the cheap wholesale selling-off of council houses, how much did that cost..?
Or the sale of the state-owned monopoly utilities, all "undersold" to her friends in the city.
Or the £15 Billion that was spent in a single day, "Black Wednesday", when the bank-rate rose twice, 2.5% each time, ending that day at 15%
How many billions do we now spend each year, importing coal..?
Then there's the 1.5Trillion we've had to put into the banks, as a direct result of her "banking revolution".
£75 billion is about what LLoyds alone, cost us.

The reason there were so many strikes in the 70's, was that inflation was running at about 25%, so any "pay rise" offered at less than that, was actually a pay cut. People forget that.

It was a battle between working people, (to simply maintain their standard of living), and greedy bosses, and shareholders, who felt they were "entitled" to even more profits, for doing even less work.

Thatcher won the battle, by having the police 'break-heads' for her.
Her ideological opposition to unions, led her to believe that those people deserved such brutal 'punishment'. She was vicious, spiteful, and malicious. Anyone who didn't agree with her, was branded a "militant".

The end result, is that now, directors get about 70x what workers do, (compared to just 7x, in the 70's,) and the state is paying benefits, simply so that people on "minimum wage" can pay their bills, just to boost the profits of Sainsbury's, and others like them.
The end result, was the banking crisis, where those who caused it, have now "retired", on pensions which pay them more in a week, than 'minimum wage' pays people for an entire year.

It's no surprise that people are celebrating her death, she was widely reviled.
People also celebrated Osama Bin Laden's death, or Saddam Hussein's, but I didn't hear any cries for "respect" for their relatives, then.

Death is a great leveler. It happens to all of us.
IMO., the world is a tiny little bit the better, for her absence from it.

They will have to make her tomb-stone out of solid diamond, to stop the constant queue of people, waiting to dance on it, from wearing it out.

Good riddance, I say.
 Chuzz16
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Posted: 4/10/2013 10:50:16 AM

They will have to make her tomb-stone out of solid diamond, to stop the constant queue of people, waiting to dance on it, from wearing it out.


I hope you're not expecting the tax payers to pay for that Jo.



^^^^ Is this your first day doing quote boxy stuff chuzz ? Mine was Saturday
I'm very proud of my growing pof skills. I think I've never agreed with yorks.
I felt sure this would come under threat with this thread. I'm so relieved.




No billy, I've been doing it for ages. I'm an old pro :)
 matt e
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Posted: 4/10/2013 11:22:04 AM
There are two people who remind me of her very much. One being Dr Beeching. They both made decisions that destroyed whole communities as they both didnt see peoples lives as anything other than a balance sheet.
The other person is savile! Like thatcher you always knew he was a bit odd. But, in the way we were all suprised when we found out what he had been up to we also found out recently what she and her government did in the Hillsborough cover up.

I dont really see how anybody who is really aware of her part in Hillsborough can seriously defend her. I guess she felt she owed the police for helping her in the minors strike.
 andy1961
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Posted: 4/10/2013 11:39:23 AM
Margaret.

Wonderful woman!

Think I'll take next Wednesday off, watch the funeral, have a few drinks, and then go out and give a socialist a good kicking.

"Up your Junta!", as a well known tabloid once headlined.
 GeordieColin
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Posted: 4/10/2013 12:04:43 PM
I think it is a bloody disgrace that Hague justifies the cost of the funeral based on the concessions she gained back then. It was her duty to fight for our interests in Europe. Besides, she would have got a personal buzz out of it given the fact she had little regard for anyone that did not speak English as their first language.
Let her low life son foot the full bill out of his inheritance.
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
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Posted: 4/10/2013 1:54:44 PM
wow a lot of haters with nothing going on in their lives, (other than to collect the dole, I assume)
to wait for 23 long years after she stepped down as PM to 'celebrate' her death.
sometime sit can be best to build up your own life rather than focus on hating & trying to bring down others. OK you will have your little celebrations now, but after a day or 2 you will still have a sh1tty little life, nothing will ever change until you die because you son't have the will or the stones to make any changes, but you can try to get a PM elected who will give at lesat $100,000 ANNUALLY to all (for suitting on your butt or maybe doing apretend job for which there is no real economic demand, make-work projects) , might last for a year or 2 until you all end up like Greece, Cyprus, Argentina or worse
 whippedboi
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Posted: 4/10/2013 1:59:16 PM

"Our Revenge will be the laughter of Our Children," Bobby Sands MP

Margaret Thatcher denounced Sands as a “criminal” and “terrorist” on the day of his death.


Bobby Sands killed himself..now you are trying to claim that Margaret Thatcher did it? wow.. his diet went a bit overboard- no great loss
Margaret Thatcher denounced Sands as a “criminal” and “terrorist” on the day of his death. yes she was quite accurate, no ?

just because you may have supported what he did doesn't necessarily make him a wonderful human being or a great guy. any sympathy at all for the people who were killed as the result of his bombs or at least bombs done by the group he supported? or were they 'English swine' who deserved to die in your view?
 whippedboi
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Posted: 4/10/2013 2:26:09 PM
so kindly explain how Margaret Thatcher killed or 'caused' the death of' Bobby Sands ?

did she order he be denied food?


Hundreds of lives could have been saved in NI if Thatcher had gone down the route of peace and not war.


of course, just follow the path of always giving bullies & terrorists whatever they demand, and we can have peace, correct?

bow down to them, pander to them, anything to please them. then bullies can learn the lesson that more guns, bombs, killings will get them whatever they want.

that was the tactic chosen by another former British PM, Neville Chamberlain, around 1937



"hey let's just give that nice Adolf Hitler fellow what he demands or wants and then we can avoid deaths and nasty things like war"


I seem to recall that didn't work out very well. because, you see bullies and never sated, only emboldened, when you give in to them or give them what they want
 whippedboi
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Posted: 4/10/2013 2:29:11 PM
so kindly explain how Margaret Thatcher killed or 'caused' the death of' Bobby Sands ?

did she order he be denied food?


Hundreds of lives could have been saved in NI if Thatcher had gone down the route of peace and not war.


couldn't the Provos, IRA "chosen to go down the route of peace, rather than terrorist bombings, war " ? I suppose not.

of course, just follow the path of always giving bullies & terrorists whatever they demand, and we can have peace, correct?

bow down to them, pander to them, anything to please them. then bullies can learn the lesson that more guns, bombs, killings will get them whatever they want.

that was the tactic chosen by another former British PM, Neville Chamberlain, around 1937



"hey let's just give that nice Adolf Hitler fellow what he demands or wants and then we can avoid deaths and nasty things like war"


I seem to recall that didn't work out very well... because, you see bullies are never sated, only emboldened, when you give in to them or give them what they want
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