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 Nottinghamfellow
Joined: 4/5/2012
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"Like many in Britain who had lived through World War One, Chamberlain was determined to avert another war. His policy of appeasement towards Adolf Hitler culminated in the Munich Agreement in which Britain and France accepted that the Czech region of the Sudetenland should be ceded to Germany. Chamberlain left Munich believing that by appeasing Hitler he had assured 'peace for our time'. However, in March 1939 Hitler annexed the rest of the Czech lands of Bohemia and Moravia, with Slovakia becoming a puppet state of Germany. Five months later in September 1939 Hitler's forces invaded Poland. Chamberlain responded with a British declaration of war on Germany."

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 Chuzz16
Joined: 3/26/2011
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Posted: 4/18/2013 11:46:23 AM

Like many in Britain who had lived through World War One, Chamberlain was determined to avert another war. His policy of appeasement towards Adolf Hitler culminated in the Munich Agreement in which Britain and France accepted that the Czech region of the Sudetenland should be ceded to Germany. Chamberlain left Munich believing that by appeasing Hitler he had assured 'peace for our time'. However, in March 1939 Hitler annexed the rest of the Czech lands of Bohemia and Moravia, with Slovakia becoming a puppet state of Germany. Five months later in September 1939 Hitler's forces invaded Poland. Chamberlain responded with a British declaration of war on Germany."

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Good point Notts. Although I don't think any wars have been started because some racist pushed their way into the front of a taxi queue.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 39
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Posted: 4/18/2013 2:12:21 PM
On here a liberal is not a liberal, it's far more fun to call someone a bleeding heart liberal than a bleeding heart left winger.

Calling anyone anything, is a forum offence. Don't do it (again) would be my advice.
It also shows a very weak argument, simply resorting to 'ad hominem' attacks are are a sure sign that someone's already lost the argument.

In my book a liberal is someone who is open minded enough to accept all points of view without applying prejudice.

I strongly doubt that you've got a book, and if you have, I strongly doubt that you've read it.

A true liberal would not have double standards or make sweeping generalisations about South Africans or any other group of people.

I thought a "true liberal" would be in coalition with the tories.
Look up "No true Scotsman fallacy"
and:

A true liberal would not have double standards or make sweeping generalisations about South Africans or any other group of people.


I might be anti-immigration but you'll never see me attacking someone because of their race, ethnicity is an important part of someones identity.

You are always complaining about "immigrants" specifically, not "immigration".
They are a "group of people", and you're always making "sweeping generalisations" about them.

Also "ethnicity" is a relatively recent term. It came about (IMO) because people realised that the way a person behaves, their customs and practices etc., doesn't seem to correlate with what had previously always been referred to as "race".

It caters for such ("inconvenient") facts as the existence of "white" rastafarians, and "black" "jews" etc.
In other words, there is far too much physical variation, within "races", for their " rules" to apply.

"Ethnicity" is largely cultural, and to that extent, could be said to be a choice, although obviously the tendency will be to 'embrace' whatever is the default culture, in the place you were born in, and live.
However, as in the examples of British people converting to "Islam", race and ethnicity often don't "match".

Jews like to claim they are both a "race", and an ethnicity, some even claiming to be "secular jews", an oxymoron of the highest order IMO.

The fact that *YOU* are now using the word "ethnicity", and claiming it to be "important", shows two things IMO.
1/. I feel I'm making progress.
2/. You haven't quite got your head around the fact that "ethnicity" isn't a fact, it's just an erroneous collection of beliefs.

On Topic.
Sorry you had to go through that Sparkly.
The guy was an arsehole, (and his wife, for having such bad taste!)
Eventually, someone with impulse-control problems will overhear his bigotry, and job done.
Yes, ethnically speaking, he is a racist.




 daver987654
Joined: 11/2/2011
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Posted: 4/19/2013 5:20:24 AM
This isn't meant to criticise.

I try very hard not to use the word "hate". It smacks to me of an unreasoned position, just disliking because of someone's difference.

Hate leads to such things as the Holocaust and Rwanda in my mind.
 mrmajestik
Joined: 5/19/2009
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Posted: 4/21/2013 3:55:55 PM
From my experience - a lot of immigrants (from countries with racially enforced social strata) such as Uganda, Kenya, South Africa and even Medditeranean countries such as Malta and Gibraltar have been conditioned towards prejudices based on race or religion. My advice expect it, understand it, and don't stand for it.
This dinosaur was alluding to your colour - i.e. a 'Cape colored' person. I know, it sounds like the wardrobe issues of a superhero, but it wasn't - I'm in London, I hear and see it all day - that;s why we have such diversity here. Everyone over here has been pushed out or forced out from some where usually by the force of events (greed, land=grabbing, pillage or some other atrocity) or the end thereof. Social upheaval inflicted upon some 'ethnic other' - Tamils, Sikhs, Congolese, Bosnians, even Greek-Cypriots.

You had the misfortune to experience just a smidgeon of what these people experience in their homelands - and yes. it always hurts (just to differing degrees) and like many, you felt abused without warrant, bewildered and helpless. This is not to lessen your experience - just let it fortify you. Remember - these are just grown-up bullies with their own crosses to bear and eventually the chickens come home to roost (with a vengeance).

Meantime, just try not to dwell on it, recognise it for what it is, Arrant ignorance and smug pomposity from a man berating events no longer under his control, clinging futilely to old adages and out-moded thinking and seeking assurance of his place in a changing century - displaced and out of time. It has happened to many a master of the universe from Kipling to Thatcher and that is their personal curse. Their inability to adjust, accept, adapt and thrive.
I would just concentrate on making new connections and dismiss the fossil.
 daver987654
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Posted: 4/21/2013 4:34:41 PM

Everyone over here has been pushed out or forced out from some where usually by the force of events (greed, land=grabbing, pillage or some other atrocity) or the end thereof. Social upheaval inflicted upon some 'ethnic other' - Tamils, Sikhs, Congolese, Bosnians, even Greek-Cypriots.


I pretty much agree with most of your post. I don't live in London but I do know that as a born and bred white Englishman, going to London is like visiting a foreign country. The racist attitudes are ones we have been trying overcome for a long time but are thwarted by many immigrants. It's fine to talk about multi culturalism but actually in London especially the racial groups tend to live and cling together.

But the bit I have quoted above is just not true. Most immigrants ar here because they seek a better way of life. They haven't necessarily been forced from anywhere.

There are half a million French people living in London. They even have their own representative who they can vote for in French elections.

The richest people in the UK according to the Sunday Times rich list are Indian and Russian. Forced out? i think not.
 mrmajestik
Joined: 5/19/2009
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:13:05 PM
india's a big place and Russia is a kleptocracy -we should swap war stories
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