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 cotter
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Message 1549 ...
That wasn't my point, Joe, and you know it.... the perceptionsof others should not be a primary concern.....it is the character we choose to display that matters most.


kj ... see if you can find a picture of that group of "leaders" that pans out and you will see that no one was following them. It was all for show and had no substance to it. It's exactly what the teabaggers and republicans needed in order to spring-jump into their usual rhetoric ... "The President has once again embarrassed us." No he didn't ... that was the guy who stood on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1, 2003.

Also, see if you can find a list of the people who were there and then check out how they treat the press (and cartoonists) in their own country. Given what we know, I believe it's the best thing President Obama could do ... not show up and "appear" to be supportive of people of that ilk.

Many in here consider the head of the Palestinians as a terrorist, but evil is as evil does. AIPAC's buddy is just as big a terrorist ... so much so that he has large numbers of his precious IDF refusing to follow "kill" orders in the occupied territories ... refusing to serve because it sickens them to kill young children while they play in their yards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusal_to_serve_in_the_IDF
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Courage to Refuse group
In January 2002, 51 reserve soldiers and officers signed a "Combat Troops' Letter" or "Combatants' Letter" in which they declared their refusal "to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people."

Pilots' letter incident
"The pilots' letter," published on September 24, 2003 ... .... ..... We, veteran and active pilots alike, who served and still serve the state of Israel for long weeks every year, are opposed to carrying out attack orders that are illegal and immoral of the type the state of Israel has been conducting in the territories. We, who were raised to love the state of Israel and contribute to the Zionist enterprise, refuse to take part in Air Force attacks on civilian population centers. We, for whom the Israel Defense Forces and the Air Force are an inalienable part of ourselves, refuse to continue to harm innocent civilians. These actions are illegal and immoral, and are a direct result of the ongoing occupation which is corrupting all of Israeli society. Perpetuation of the occupation is fatally harming the security of the state of Israel and its moral strength.

Commandos' letter incident
This letter, dated December 2003 ... .... ..... We shall no longer lend a hand in the occupation of the territories. We shall no longer take part in the deprivation of basic human rights from millions of Palestinians. We shall no longer serve as a shield in the crusade of the settlements. We shall no longer corrupt our moral character in missions of oppression. We shall no longer deny our responsibility as soldiers of the Israeli DEFENSE force.

September 2014 Unit 8200 letter
In what the New York Times called, 'the first public collective refusal by intelligence officers rather that combat troops'[16] to serve, on September 12 ... .... ..... Unit 8200, Israel's equivalent to the NSA, published a letter in Israel's most widely read newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, directed to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz, Moshe Ya'alon[18] and Aviv Kochavi, the head of Military Intelligence, in which they registered their refusal to participate, on the grounds of conscience, in any action designed to "harm the Palestinian population in the West Bank."

... decried the use of espionage to set up airstrikes that have inflicted casualties among civilians.

... but does mention 'the collective punishment of residents in Gaza,', that war being, according to one of the group, 'just another chapter in this cycle of violence,' and calls on the Israeli public to speak up against injustices.

One of the undersigned said that, while affirming their commitment to continue gathering intelligence on enemy states, they found themselves morally obliged not to engage in intelligence gathering whose 'main objective is to maintain the military rule in the West Bank'. The soldiers also alleged that cases existed where IDF intelligence hindered just trials for defendants, from whom evidence in the prosecution's hands was withheld, in military courts.

One refusnik said his decision arose from a gradual realization that he was engaged in the kind of work that usually makes people shudder and is associated with what intelligence services do in non-democratic regimes.

A captain in the group stated that a good deal of what the IDF is not about 'defense', but consists in military rule over another people in the Occupied Palestinian territories.

Another said a turning point occurred when he watched at the unit's headquarters as a figure in an orchard was blown up in an airstrike, and, when the smoke cleared they could see his mother running to the body of what was evidently then just a small boy.

Another officer spoke of an incident at the outset of Operation Cast Lead where 89 young policeman at their graduation ceremony were killed in a bomb strike, which he complained to his superior was both 'morally unsound and problematic', time being lost killing police on parade instead of attacking rocket sites and arsenals.

The source further asserted that Israel let people requiring medical treatment die unless they were forthcoming about a relative who was on the wanted list. Another incident related concerns an operation where it was surmised that a person on their wanted list appeared to be standing by a weapons warehouse in Gaza, the time and location suggested it would be him, and he was assassinated. The victim turned out to be a kid. Another witness said that booty taken during arrest operations was stacked in a storeroom, photos, flags, weapon parts, books, Qurans, jewellery, and soldiers were told they could take whatever they liked out of this Palestinian memorabilia, the idea being to 'poison the students'.

One refusnik's father had suffered at the hands of Argentina's military junta under its Dirty War and drew an comparison, which he said was only partial, between intelligence gathering for the army and its consequences there, and what Palestinians can face under Israeli military rule.

The gesture has been interpreted as 'an unprecedented rebuke to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's security policies.' Three signatories clarified that the letter was not just related to the recent Israel–Gaza conflict, but referred to the 'normal' circumstances of Israel's occupation. The letter, according to Elior Levy, has tapped into wider concerns regarding the ethics of state surveillance .........


http://www.ifamericansknew.org
IF AMERICANS KNEW

(Excerpts)

Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed September 29, 2000 - Present
133 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,060 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. I wonder who killed all of the little Palestinian children? I wonder how many lost their lives while still in their home when the greedy Zionists bulldozed them ... to their death. I wonder how many lost their lives because the Zionists use them for target practice ... just for sport.

Daily U.S. Military Aid to Israel and the Palestinians Fiscal Year 2013
During Fiscal Year 2014, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $8.5 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.

UN Resolutions Targeting Israel and the Palestinians 1955 - 1992
Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1.

Current Illegal Settlements on the Other’s Land
Israel currently has 262 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

Demolitions of Israeli and Palestinian Homes
0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 28,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.


Yep ... we might as well be pulling those triggers, sitting in those bulldozers, sitting at the water shut-off valves.

Nothing on the earth can live without water ... and the Zionists are taking advantage of that medical fact.

Yuppers ... take a strong look at the people who were in the front line at that march ... many of them are not troopers of freedom of press. Check and see who owns the MSM and then there is no wonder that you never hear anything about the Zionists killing off the Palestinians.

I'm not saying the Palestinians are total innocents here ... but we all know that young children innocently playing in their yards certainly do not deserve a death sentence because some IDF is bored. We all know that mothers in labor in need of medical attention do not deserve a death sentence (nor do their babies) because some despicable IDF with blutlust just can't allow the possibility that a Palestinian gets the care they need.

Message 1554 ...
Is anyone in the U.S. going after Cheney and the Bush administration for war crimes? That may just save us from more backlash.
Yeah ... that would be nice.

Message 1556 ...
Refusal to identify Islamic terrorists as such ...
Please provide a link for that statement.

... and now snubbing a rally which sought to show solidarity amongst world leaders against Islamist terrorists does not bode well for Obama ...
Please see above ... it was a scam. No one was marching with them. Actually, some of the crimes of those who were marching should be prosecuted ... but I don't expect you to hear about that on Faux Entertainment Snooze.
 HondoGal
Joined: 5/30/2014
Msg: 1427
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:45:13 PM


Refusal to identify Islamic terrorists as such ~ HondoGal
 
Please provide a link for that statement. ~ Cotter
 

Provide just one quote from Obama where he calls a spade a spade; Islamic terrorists.





 snubbing a rally which sought to show solidarity amongst world leaders against Islamist terrorists ~ HondoGal
 

it was a scam. No one was marching with them.~Cotter
 
Says world leader’s confidant.
So what we saw on television, the more than three million persons marching was an illusion?
Sure you want to go there; you look silly.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 1428
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/12/2015 8:16:48 PM

Posted by HondoGal:
"...So what we saw on television, the more than three million persons marching was an illusion?
Sure you want to go there, you look silly..."

It is comical when Liberals become utterly unhinged about our trusty, wonderful, and staunch Israeli allies.
Here is the crazy part...how do Liberals feel radicalized Islamic terrorists would treat them if they met on the street?

Why is President Barack Hussein Obama so unwilling to go to war against violent Islamic jihadists? Very odd.
President Barack Hussein Obama has yet again missed an opportunity to show solidarity with the sane world.

President Barack Hussein Obama has become increasingly tone-deaf and aloof during his second term.
It is the same disengagement as when journalist James Foley was beheaded this past summer and the President zipped right out to the golf course. My goodness this man is completely out-of-touch. He simply does not care.
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
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Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/12/2015 8:18:28 PM
I hear "false flag" flying around again and acording to some it has all the earmarks. I haven't checked it out but if the French get assigned a stricter patriot act 11 or whatever they'll call it, people might want to pay attention.

Harper is already trying to invade our privacy and find ways to control us since our crazy zealot situation possibly happened. As if anything other than changing our foreign policy and trying our criminals would change things for the better.


If the people really knew how good these guys are at false flags and knew about the hypocrisy of government, would they parade for them?

SOME sure fall for the b.s. and want to go to war for some reason.

Even IF, One, two or a few get killed and some people think going to war will solve the problem? War caused the problem!



 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:20:56 PM

Sure you want to go there; you look silly.
Just calling it the way I saw it ... on the TV wide shots.



Hmmmm ... I dunno ... where'd all the marchers go? Sure looks like a photo op to me. Doesn't look like those "world leaders" (some are really criminals) really marched anywhere.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-in-frances-history-9972895.html
Paris march: TV wide shots reveal a different perspective on world leaders at largest demonstration in France’s history
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 1431
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:25:31 PM
how do Liberals feel radicalized Islamic terrorists would treat them if they met on the street?


So do you have any suggestions about how to avoid radicalizing more in the future?

Paris Terrorist was Radicalized by Bush's Iraq War, Abu ...
www.juancole.com/2015/01/terrorist-radicalized-torture.html
Juan Cole
5 days ago - Paris Terrorist was Radicalized by Bush's Iraq War, Abu Ghraib Torture ... Benyettou ran a recruitment ring targeting young French Muslims that ...

 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 1432
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:57:46 PM

Hmmmm ... I dunno ... where'd all the marchers go? Sure looks like a photo op to me.

That's what they're really upset about... in their minds... the US missed out... even though they were there... on the bragging rights... They can't "rah... rah... look how tough we are"...

All the while...

using the opportunity to call Obama a hypocrite... for not saying "terrorist"... exactly the way they want... at the exact moment they want... in any given moment... never mind that what they want changes with every moment... and then "pretending" to care about "terrorism"... but only going for the photo op...

This is their "fall back" contingency... cry like babies because they missed their "rah rah but Obama's a hypocrite" moment...
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 1433
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Posted: 1/12/2015 10:29:38 PM
"Refusal to identify Islamic terrorists as such and now snubbing a rally which sought to show solidarity amongst world leaders against Islamist terrorists does not bode well for Obama; here at home, and throughout the world.
Shame on Obama.".....Hondogal

^^^^^^^^Yes Hondogal, the saddest thing about the most recent f'kup is that it isn't anything new, it just continues to show that Obama is out of touch, he is clueless. And it goes on and on and on.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 1434
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Posted: 1/13/2015 2:36:30 AM

I agree. That was my initial thought. I don't really get what the big deal is. Do "we" feel left out?? I can't see the wisdom of having President Obama march down a city street in France. Seems a tad bit "over-exposed" to me. There are numerous ways to show our support.

The US govt. did show support in that the US ambassador and many of the embassy staff attended.
It is really amusing how the US media are slagging Obama for not attending. Even more amusing is the US citizens who have taken the bait and can't recognise BS even if it was put on a plate in front of them.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 1435
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Posted: 1/13/2015 4:06:17 AM

Posted by RobAustralia:
"...It is really amusing how the US media are slagging Obama for not attending..."

There is just that very minor complication of the entire world viewing the largest gathering ever in the history of France to honor innocents lost in this epic struggle of our era. Not to mention that hiccup of the White House admitting they were entirely wrong for failing to send appropriate representation.

Liberals on this Forum clearly must not recognize these same radicalized Islamic terrorists would gun down anyone participating in this online discussion in an instant. Hey, if y'all wish to commit societal suicide, do not expect rational people to quietly go along with that crazed plan.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1436
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Posted: 1/13/2015 4:17:13 AM

Liberals on this Forum clearly must not recognize these same radicalized Islamic terrorists would gun down anyone participating in this online discussion in an instant. Hey, if y'all wish to commit societal suicide, do not expect rational people to quietly go along with that crazed plan.


That is a great argument for the teapuppets impending plan to defund DHS because they cannot put together any immigration reform legislation.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 1437
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:58:43 AM

There is just that very minor complication of the entire world viewing the largest gathering ever in the history of France to honor innocents lost in this epic struggle of our era.


As per the conservative agenda the above statement is not meant to be factually accurate but is there only to serve as icing one the derp cake.

Because we know those revolutions had really low attendance due to the sales on cake at the time.




Not to mention that hiccup of the White House admitting they were entirely wrong for failing to send appropriate representation.


Yes they where bad for not going and costing the tax payers (~2billion, using Fox calculations on POTUS trips) and even worse they admitted they should have sent over a hundred or so security people and hijacked the event so some big important Americans could be there.




Liberals on this Forum clearly must not recognize these same radicalized Islamic terrorists would gun down anyone participating in this online discussion in an instant. Hey, if y'all wish to commit societal suicide, do not expect rational people to quietly go along with that crazed plan.


Do you hear that dog whistle kids?

Time to buy more guns and bibles.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 1438
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:38:40 AM
@gto
Jeb will follow the blueprint of Abbott in Texas.Without any real fanfare this guy is suddenly looking very solid.Deep pockets are ready.He's had a good look at his father and brother in politics.Reps will accept the reality of the southern states.Might as well make them Republicans.How will Hispanics view Hillary compared to the possibility of a First Lady born in Mexico? :)
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 1439
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:55:38 AM
The odd thing is, since 1945-46 the Americans have proudly stated - Fvck the French, if it wasn't for us they'd be speaking German right now". Not something your average liberal says but it sure something that comes out of a conservative mouth.

Also think about - 2,900+ lives lost in 9/11. 2,900+ lost under the republican watch. Please don't forget this. Where was Bush, where was his intelligence, where was his hard line on terrorists? 2,900+. Who marched for you?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1440
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:06:01 AM
From ABC


Just three years ago, two House members decided to take the "French" out of some of our favorite foods and add the word "Freedom" instead. You remember this -- "Freedom toast" and "Freedom fries" instead of French toast and French fries.

But alas, a quick perusal of Capitol Hill cafeterias this afternoon found that the toast is now French toast and our Freedom fries are just fries again.

In 2003, the two Republican congressmen behind the change, Bob Ney of Ohio and Walter Jones of North Carolina, said the renaming of French foods was "a small but symbolic effort to show the strong displeasure of many on Capitol Hill with the actions of our so-called ally, France."

This displeasure centered on comments French leaders made about the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq being premature.

Today the two congressmen claimed they didn't play a role in changing "Freedom" back to "French" in Capitol Hill cafeterias last week.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 1441
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:33:40 AM
There is just that very minor complication of the entire world viewing the largest gathering ever in the history of France to honor innocents lost in this epic struggle of our era. Not to mention that hiccup of the White House admitting they were entirely wrong for failing to send appropriate representation.




1. King Abdullah of Jordan, which last year sentenced a Palestinian journalist to 15 years in prison for hard labour

2. Prime Minister of Davutoglu of Turkey, which imprisons more journalists than any other country in the world.

3. Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel, whose forced killed 7 journalists in Gaza last yr (second highest after Syria).

4. Foreign Minister Shoukry of Egypt, which as well as AJ staff has detained journalist Shawkan for around 500 days.

5. The PM's of Bulgaria and Georgia who both have a record of beating journalists.

6. Sec-Gen of NATO, who are yet to be held to account for deliberately bombing and killing 16 Serbian journos in '99.

7. Sheikh Mohamed Ben Hamad Ben Khalifa Al Thani of Qatar, which jailed a man for 15 ys for writing the Jasmine poem.

there were more, i can't be arsed to write down any more of them

this says it all:



"Politicians worldwide are enacting a slew of laws to impinge on free speech, but are the first to defend it when there’s a body count," writes the Daily Beast's Luke O'Neil. "It is grandstanding for a right rarely protected unless under immediate attack."

As journalists and human rights activists stand with Charlie Hebdo, they should remember that, across the world, not every journalist is Charlie.


hypocritical grandstanding, i suppose that's why so many conservative types felt left out of that march
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 1442
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:50:07 AM

Posted by _babblefish:
"there were more, i can't be arsed to write down any more of them"

You did not "write" down anything at all.
You very simply copied and pasted.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 1443
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:51:54 AM
@skoochie
I believe the majority will come to their senses after reviewing the last election.Another round of Romney?If they get beat down twice with the same candidate what will this mean for the long term?Eight years of Hillary?Rand is a Libertarian.Christie is tainted.Huckabee is hokey.Carson is black,not that it means anything.Santorum is weak,and may not be too popular with Jews.Bush has wall street.Bush could take Hispanic voters from the dems like taking candy from a child.Republicans need the Hispanics since the dems have the black vote.They will look at the choices realistically at some point.Bush is forming up like a nuclear sub coming to the surface.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 1444
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:56:36 AM

I think he (Romney) has too much baggage carrying over from the last campaign, such as, Obama has accomplished all of the economic goals he set.


OMG!!! Our Saviour Obama.

the men in the white coats will be at your door today at 3pm. bring your toothbrush it will be a long stay.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 1445
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:29:43 AM
A path to citizenship is already there for those who enter/entered the country legally...not really sure how you define gains, do you mean ignoring the immigration laws?

As usual libs try to change words into meaning something other than the original meaning, immigrant and immigration are not synonyms of illegal immigrant and illegal immigration...path to citizenship is not a synonym of amnesty...

what gains has Obama given legal citizens who are Hispanic?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 1446
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/13/2015 10:33:36 AM
So while people might be distracted by the noise with regards to what color shows Obama might wear on Friday and how it will be a sign of weakness, the GOP is getting ready to start with their new plan:

Recession 2.0

Step 1: Wipe out Wall Street reforms.

Step 2: Watch the same shit happen agian.

Step 3: Blame Obama

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what gains has Obama given legal citizens who are Hispanics?


When you understand asking this shows that you think like a racist, then you will understand why people might perceive you as a racist.


 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 1447
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:40:59 AM
As usual you offer other than alleging racism..the poster said that Hispanics would lose the gains that Obama had given them..I asked what gains?

as usual liberals try to equate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants and citizens...

Illegal immigrant is not a race by the way...it is a classification of criminal...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1448
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/13/2015 10:51:34 AM

Illegal immigrant is not a race by the way


Other than in the republican play-book it's another term for a lazy welfare food stamp services sucking Hispanic
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 1449
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/13/2015 10:58:16 AM

Illegal immigrant is not a race by the way...it is a classification of criminal...


That is not a very nice way to describe your ancestors now is it.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 1450
Election 2014: Karma is a b!tch
Posted: 1/13/2015 12:06:01 PM
@skoochie
The Hispanics aren't going to worry about
any changes to immigration policy if they have a queen in the castle.Apparently Wall St centrists are behind Jeb.

The Hispanics get to jump right into royalty so to speak.What does Hillary have to offer compared to that?


Skoochie,try not to look concerned....maybe the tea party guys won't notice.
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