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 HFX_RGB
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From the "When hypocrites give a speech" file


Joni Ernst On Welfare? GOP Senator’s Family Took $460,000 In Taxpayer Handouts
Posted: January 22, 2015

Joni Ernst, the new Republican senator from Iowa who delivered the GOP response to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union speech Tuesday night, called in her address for cuts in government spending and described how her views grew out of her own “simple” upbringing, one in which her family diligently watched ever scarce penny, to the point where she owned only one pair of shoes.

But an investigation of public records by the Washington D.C.-based District Sentinel online news site showed that between 1995 and 2009, Ernst’s family received nearly a half-million dollars in government handouts, payments targeted toward subsidizing farms with taxpayer funds....



Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1777070/joni-ernst-on-welfare-gop-senators-family-took-460000-in-taxpayer-handouts/#mqqXyoBTzFCWEOtY.99
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:20:21 AM
Message 1905 ... How do you propose that we should handle it? We cannot hold those people indefinitely without charging them with some sort of crime. What's the crime? In many cases it was being too close to a Pakistani at the wrong time. That is the only crime we can charge them with. The G"W" administration spent millions of your tax dollars purchasing those prisoners without ever knowing for sure if they were even guilty of anything.

The thought occurs to me that if they were wrongly purchased from the Pakistanis and then jailed by us and tortured or abused while actually innocent of any wrong-doing ... you can be sure that when they get out again they will have no kind words for the US ... they will be the #1 person who will be glad to go out and get revenge.

"How to turn an innocent bystander into a terrorist 101" ... Meet with a Pakistani warlord, buy the enemy of the warlord for several thousand dollars, jail the purchased (often innocent) product, torture and abuse, then eventually (finally) discover that the person is not any kind of enemy combatant then finally send them back. My money is on that person wanting to get revenge for what the US did to them.

According to "Wee Willy" the president should be put in prison for letting ALL those prisoners go and rejoin ... so should we be putting the former administration in prison for what they did too?

To the post below ...
The U.S had some kind of intelligence on them to seek custody
You haven't been paying attention ... they bought those people without really knowing what they were getting ... bought a cat in a bag. There are articles all over the Internet about it.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 1753
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:27:25 AM
The U.S had some kind of intelligence on them to seek custody.Poor babies were completely innocent is my guess.Bullets are cheap.

Cotter have you ever had the opportunity to know any of these miserable rotten Muslim fundamentalists?Hate Hate Hate and hate some more.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 1754
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:44:50 AM

"How to turn an innocent bystander into a terrorist 101" ... Meet with a Pakistani warlord, buy the enemy of the warlord for several thousand dollars, jail the purchased (often innocent) product, torture and abuse, then eventually (finally) discover that the person is not any kind of enemy combatant then finally send them back. My money is on that person wanting to get revenge for what the US did to them.


And this is exactly the argument against Guantanamo. The is what majority of the rest of the world believes too.


they bought those people without really knowing what they were getting


85% of all Guantanamo detainees were bought and paid for by the US government...many of whom were never involved in terrorism in any way...we housed them with known and proven terrorists...thus, turning those innocent detainees into very likely (of course chicken hawks think future terrorists that are Muslim should be imprisoned without ever having committed a crime or any terrorism) potential terrorists.



even if that is true
if what you said about the terrorist Bush released is true


Google is your friend...the numbers are readily available
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 1755
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:27:36 AM
Regarding the speech from Joni Ernst, the GOP response. I watched that and was somehow amazed that this was all the republicans could come up with....a young woman giving the same speech she probably would at her home town garden club meeting. Why didn't the republicans come up with a speaker with some substance? experience? depth? As to her speech, kinda wishy washy and boring....talking about her grandparents on a farm, blah, blah, blah. Where was the gritty response to the POTUS?

As an aside, good to see women getting into politics.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:56:00 AM
Maybe we could give Hillary a run for the money with a Biden / Warren ticket.

Either way, the country needs someone like Warren taking on Wall Street and the rich!
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 1/22/2015 8:53:46 AM

Either way, the country needs someone like Warren taking on Wall Street and the rich!


and to do that she needs to keep doing what she is doing, and not bother running for the POTUS.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 1758
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Posted: 1/22/2015 8:59:27 AM
Yemen unrest throws wrench in Obama's terror message


Jim Acosta and Kevin Liptak, CNN


?Updated 6:20 PM ET, Tue January 20, 2015


Yemen's presidential palace under attack by rebels 01:44


President Obama had cited Yemen as a success story in fight against terrorists
The United States had been working with Yemen's government
Houthi rebels took over the presidential palace in Yemen, official says

Washington (CNN)—The unraveling security situation in Yemen -- the same country President Barack Obama cited as a model for his fight against ISIS -- could throw the President's counterterror message into question ahead of Tuesday's State of the Union address.

In Sanaa on Tuesday, the presidential palace was overrun by Shiite Houthi rebels, a situation the country's minister of information described as the "completion of a coup."

That's a problem for the United States, which has relied on the government in Yemen as an ally in battling the al Qaeda affiliate that's based there. A power vacuum could benefit al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the terrorist offshoot that U.S. officials consider the most dangerous branch of the global jihadi network.

Obama himself cited the U.S.-Yemen partnership when he announced in September he was going after ISIS terrorists in Iraq and Syria.

Explaining why he was ruling out sending American troops to fight ISIS, Obama said he was modeling his strategy after what he said were successful efforts in Yemen and Somalia to partner with governments to go after terrorists.



"This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years," Obama said on September 10. "It is consistent with the approach I outlined earlier this year: to use force against anyone who threatens America's core interests, but to mobilize partners wherever possible to address broader challenges to international order."

What that strategy relied on, however, was a strong partnership between the United States and the existing government in Yemen, led by President Abdu Rabu Mansour Hadi. Hadi reorganized Yemen's military to better go after AQAP, a strategy that worked for a time. But the plan was waylaid when resources were diverted to battle the militant Houthis, a Shiite group who say they feel marginalized in the majority Sunni country.

Republicans have seized upon the latest news from Yemen to illustrate their opposition to Obama's terrorism strategy.

Sen. John McCain, now the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, tweeted "The 'success story' of Yemen continues to unfold" on Tuesday, followed by a link to a news report about the violence there.

When pressed by CNN in September whether U.S. efforts in Yemen could be described as a "success," the White House said the strategy there has worked.

Yemen is "a place where the American counterterrorism strategy that has been put in place by President Obama has succeeded in degrading the threat that those organizations pose to the United States," press secretary Josh Earnest said. "We intend to implement an analogous strategy against ISIL."

During Tuesday's State of the Union, Obama will "talk broadly about our counterterrorism strategy as part of our national security strategy, and as part of our way to make sure American principles are held up throughout the world," according to White House spokesman Eric Schultz.

A senior administration official said Obama was being updated on the situation in Yemen by his national security team.

"We strongly condemn the violence and those stoking it in an effort to disrupt Yemen's political transition. We will continue to support efforts to bring about a peaceful solution," the official said.

_______________________________________________________________________________
^^^^^^^^^^^
Just one more story on how this administration has no idea what is going on in the world. The WH said Yeman was a success and the strategy was working.(really?)
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1759
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:33:49 AM
If Gitmo's failure rate is 29%, that means its success rate is 71%. You'd think those funny Republicans would focus on near-three quarters success. Except success doesn't sell nearly as well (votes) as fear.

Yes, the Hawthi or Houthi rebels in Yemen are trained by Iranian Revolutionary Guards, using Chinese weapons, to attack AQAP in Yemen...along with the government, and our attempts to kill AQAP (y'know, the guys who may have something to do with Charlie Hebdo) with drones that sometimes take out civilians. Its a bit like Syria, we have a Shi'a group willing to go after our Sunni enemies, except surprise, our allies may not have America's best interests at heart, but might have their own agenda local to their own region. Or sorta like Afganistan 1979, where a radical Muslim group is willing to go after people we don't like.

And if we're going to speak of 1979, there's the classic statement by Carter that Iran was doing ok under the Shah. Or the claim a few years later, that the mujuhedeen in Afganistan were like our Founding Fathers. Or the classic,
"you're doing a heckuva job, Brownie".

Politicians have a habit of getting egg on the face, in their need to say something positive.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 1/22/2015 11:00:41 AM
blue--having watched Joni through the Iowa race (I was rooting for Braley), I was more than a little startled to see her delivering her basic stump speech, lol! She was praised during the election for staying on message, and not being lured into unfamiliar territory by the press. Looking at the SOU response, I think it more likely that she only *has* the one speech. . . . This is another one I think is only going to be a one term Senator.

I think the Republicans had a pretty good idea that Obama was going to mop the floor with them, and decided not to sacrifice anyone important to the task of answering, which is a requirement. Bobby Jindal did a much worse job when it was his turn. Plus Boehner has the job of keeping the teabaggers happy, so every bit of public time he can give them is good (for him).

Bobby Jindal Continues to Struggle With State of the Union Responses
National Journal‎ - 2 days ago
When many people think about the curse of State of the Union responses, they think of Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's 2009 official GOP
 cotter
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Posted: 1/22/2015 2:16:58 PM
Message 1902 ... LMAO! That was good ...
Message 1901
A report released by the House Armed Services subcommittee in 2012 revealed that 27% of Gitmo detainees return to a life of terror after their release
That was in my post ... what’s your point in repeating it? I think what we’d all like to know is … in your opinion, WHO released them?

In Message 1860 you posted that President Obama freed "Islamic terrorists" that have gone back to do battle:
...but failed to mention how many Islamic terrorists he has freed since we had them imprisoned


So tell us ... how many? When?

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/10/obama-bush-cheney-gitmo-detainees/
Bush-Cheney released 171 Gitmo prisoners who returned to battlefield, compared to Obama's 7

By CNN chief Washington correspondent Jake Tapper

(CNN) – Among the many points of controversy to emerge following the swap of five Taliban prisoners for U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is the question of whether the five mid- to high-level Taliban fighters will return to the battlefield.

It's really no secret that according to the administration these five - two of whom are wanted by the UN for possible war crimes, including the murder of thousands of Shiites - very well may return to the battlefield.

President Barack Obama himself has admitted that they might pose a future threat.

"Is there the possibility of some of them trying to return to activities that are detrimental to us? Absolutely. That's been true of all the prisoners that were released from Guantanamo. There's a certain recidivism rate that takes place," Obama said.

The threat of recidivism, returning to battle, is not new. Nine years ago this month, Vice President****Cheney acknowledged that threat was very real.

"If you were to release those 520 that are currently held at Guantanamo that have been deemed to be enemy combatants, we're putting a lot of bad guys back on the street to do exactly what they started to do in the first place," Cheney said in June, 2005.

In fact, by the time Obama took office, according to a report from the office of the director of National Intelligence last year, the Bush-Cheney administration had released 171 detainees, either confirmed or suspected of having returned to the battlefield.
Soooo ... how many did D1ck "the torturer" release who supposedly went back to a life of "terror"? He openly admitted that it was 171. Is that okay with you?

Note, President Obama said the same thing that D1ck "the torturer" said prior to releasing detainees ... right?

Why is it okay for D1ck "the torturer" to say that and then release 171 either confirmed or suspected detainees but it isn’t okay for President Obama?


These include, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency, Ibrahim Sen, who was later arrested in Turkey charged as the leader of an active al Qaeda cell, and Abdullah Mahsud, whom Pakistan government officials accuse of directing a suicide attack in April 2007 that killed 31 people.

Under the Obama administration, which claims to have a more thorough vetting process for releasing detainees, seven were confirmed or suspected of having returned to the battle as of last September.
Posted by Jake Tapper


Soooo ... D1ck "the torturer" released 171 either confirmed or suspected detainees and President Obama released only 7 (according to the above article). Looks like if President Obama should be in prison then they should get a cell ready for D1ck "the torturer" as well.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 1/22/2015 3:19:17 PM

Or the claim a few years later, that the mujuhedeen in Afganistan were like our Founding Fathers.


He said that? I do know that he admitted years later that they lied. Congressional archives are available NOW. They actually were giving support to the Mujaheddin 6 months before the Soviets entered. Carter lied to the American people and said they were giving aid months later.

Brzezinski set his plot in motion. 1st time the ' Brzezinski doctrine' was used. What he did was set up a situation where possible outcomes are a win for USA and a loss for USSR. The biggest loss for them was if they enter Afghanistan and get trapped there in their own Vietnam like situation, a win for USA.

But if they didn't go in there to help the communist gov't they would lose face and USA would win because the rebels could overthrow the Communist gov't.

Brzezinski doctrine = win-win for USA and lost-lost for adversary!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:31:13 PM
I can't quote the date Ronald Reagan compared the muj to our Founding Fathers (ie, fighting the British, not making the Articles of Confederation), it may have been when he was letting some into America for medical care for battlefield wounds, remember seeing that on the evening news? Basically, RR was selling the idea of supporting them more than just thru intermediaries something to replace their Lee Enfields and denying all knowledge of it. It MAY have been around the time we were trying to give them Stingers and British Redeyes? They were definitely getting slaughtered by the HIND-D's and mines shaped like children's toys and potentially some "yellow rain".

But, it also has to be said, the CIA ended up offering $100,000 bounties on those Stingers so they didn't trickle across the border into Iran and into some Persian Gulf "gunboat". Its where we first created the term, "blowback".

Meanwhile, AOL is saying the King of Saudi Arabia finally passed a few minutes ago? Let's see if that bothers the price of oil any on Friday's market. and I think the Yemen prez just resigned. that could turn into another "failed nation-state"
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:47:53 PM
Carter didn't. . . .

“These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America’s founding fathers.” — Ronald Regan while introducing the Mujahideen leaders to media on the White house lawns (1985).

https://inquirer.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/ronald-reagan-meeting-with-talibanal-qaedamujahideen/
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:54:32 PM
software snafu
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 1766
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:37:13 PM
"All those trailer park dwellers in those southern states "


That is an incorrect stereotype.....unless you are speaking of the majority being the elderly......:)
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 1767
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Posted: 1/22/2015 5:53:21 PM
Thank you.....Skoochie!

That was rather big of you to say so...... :)


And you should notice.....I spelled your username correctly. ;)
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 1768
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Posted: 1/22/2015 6:37:28 PM
Hypocricy is everywhere you are a great example you accuse others of stereotyping, prejudice and hate and many of your posts are full of all three...your hate for conservatives is no different than the hate you accuse others of
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 1769
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Posted: 1/22/2015 7:12:33 PM
From the this will cost the tax payers more money than it will save file we have:

Scott Walker Itching For Food Stamp Fight With Obama Administration
Arthur Delaney
Posted: 01/22/2015 2:20 pm EST

WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) is pushing forward with a plan to make food stamp recipients pass drug tests -- a requirement that the Obama administration says violates federal law...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/scott-walker-drug-testing_n_6525288.html?utm_hp_ref=politics



Also, if you are already in the POF betting pool, the lines are now open on who will be the first to uncover a connection between the companies doing these tests and Walkers campaign.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 1770
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Posted: 1/23/2015 4:02:52 AM
^^^
Why does the BO administration want to keep food stamp recipients on drugs?

Food stamps are for food,not booze and drugs.


Part of the dem election plan?Keep people high? :)
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 1/23/2015 4:07:34 AM

WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) is pushing forward with a plan to make food stamp recipients pass drug tests -- a requirement that the Obama administration says violates federal law...

Not being an American, I don't really get to vote on this - but personally, I would be in favor of that ....... provided that elected officials and executives at any publicly traded company were also required to take the tests.

Now wouldn't THAT be interesting?
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 1/23/2015 5:12:36 AM

Not being an American, I don't really get to vote on this - but personally, I would be in favor of that ....... provided that elected officials and executives at any publicly traded company were also required to take the tests.


So you would be for a program that cost more to run that it would save, not to mention the infringement on people's personal lives?
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 1/23/2015 7:26:37 AM

Not being an American, I don't really get to vote on this - but personally, I would be in favor of that .......


And Wisconsin voters are in favor of it also. Thats a reason Walker was reelected. He campaigned on it & a handful of other issues, & won handily. Wisconsin State Medicaid will pay for testing, so cost is not a factor, much like Obamacare cost is not a factor.

Not only has Walker won 3 of the last 4 elections(including his resounding recall win), the voters also gave Wisconsin comfortable state House & state Senate margins to the GOP, so this should be a slam dunk, & if done right, possibly a blueprint for other states to follow.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:10:26 AM

Wisconsin State Medicaid will pay for testing, so cost is not a factor, much like Obamacare cost is not a factor.


...and when you understand that this will net out to cost tax payers money, where The Affordable Health Care act will save tax payers moving you will be well on your way to understanding.




...& if done right, possibly a blueprint for other states to follow.


Actually Walker is following other states and if you look at the states and their economic performance will quickly see a correlation.

But hey kids, as long as it is not you being tested I sure no one really cares right, because the USA is the land of the free.*



* Unless you are poor
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 1775
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Posted: 1/23/2015 8:54:18 AM
"Why does the (present--we want to respect the Oval Office, don't we?) administration want to keep food stamp recipients on drugs?...Part of the dem election plan?

>>>Gosh, did we forget this already? Maybe it wasn't on Faux News? We already tried this. I think it was down in ol' Tenn-oh-see? Found out that, gosh, them welfare folk ain't on drugs. Wasted all that time and money to find out poor people usually can't afford drugs.

then again, if Scott Walker got voted back in...maybe his constituents can afford to be high :)

Even Sheriff Arpao (sic) is cutting back on his, "let's punish people we don't like" campaigns.
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