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 nocrapzone
Joined: 1/10/2015
Msg: 301
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live "forever"Page 14 of 14    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14)
if someone truly has "faith", a blind belief, unshakable in the face of facts or evidence,

how can it possibly be "diminished" ?

can you explain why you fear anyone challenging your faith, or why it should bother you at all?

it is only noise in the background of your unshakable "faith", right?

myself, I dislike self righteous BS artists who claim they are superior to others and have "morals" that others cannot share if they do not

share in the same delusions & blind belief in thousands-years old writings by the elite of society back then..or indeed claim that they are the

only ones with morals & atheists cannot possibly hold any moral values, false on the face of it

and by the way, bragging about one's "moral superiority" flies in the face of the same bible often quoted

which states that the biggest sin is "pride" ..does it not?
 pureandsimple4172
Joined: 5/2/2014
Msg: 302
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 8:01:41 AM
You are a clueless soul, nocrapzone.

If you ever step foot in a Church, you'd realize it is a Church full of people who realize they are imperfect. I never hear any religious people talk about themselves being better and morally superior than non-religious people. The only people who talk like that and throw out that nonsense are non-religious people such as yourself.

You really should answer why you are so determined to attack other peoples beliefs...beliefs that are of no threat to your existence here on Earth
 nocrapzone
Joined: 1/10/2015
Msg: 303
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 8:09:48 AM
OK, you are better because you are more humble than others..LOL a sort of "reverse pride"..

FYI, I have 'set foot' in churches many times, but never wish to do so again (so keep that superiority snide remark to yourself, please)
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 304
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 10:31:11 AM
NCZ--Personally, I don't know which is the worse experience, being marshmallowed by a true believer, or being rasped to death by an angry anti-theist. Not certain why it's necessary for adults to discuss it at all. we are each, as humans, being, different from each other. Clearly, some are wired with no God Part of the Brain, and others are. And so what? Like the mother in Miracle on 34th Street, who is determined that HER daughter shall NOT believe. . . . gets neither her, nor her child any peace, nor any joy, nor. . . . On the reverse, believers insisting that their child BELIEVE is an oxygen depriving experience for the child. A soul killer.

As someone once said: The world is so full of a number of things, I'm sure that we all should be happy as kings!

 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 305
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 11:18:00 AM
I would have a lot more respect for religion if religious leaders were to practice what they preached. The "action speaks louder than words" scenario. There are numerous countries around the world who are at war, with daily mass killings and people being tortured. Why is it I never see religious leaders and their flock holding big protests and rallies at government buildings and military installations all over the Christian world to protest against people who do the opposite of what the scriptures and the Ten Commandments teach-such as love thy neighbor, thou shall not kill, forgive those who have sinned, and all of that other stuff about loving and respecting all people-even if those people are a-holes?

The last time I recall massive rallies against war and killing is the peace marches against the war in Vietnam in the 1960's. It wasn't organized by religion. It was organized by ordinary young people who did not want to be forced to fight a war. In fact, 4 Kent State University students were killed by the National Guard while attending a protest against the war. How many religious leaders have died for protesting any war?
 nocrapzone
Joined: 1/10/2015
Msg: 306
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 11:30:37 AM

Why is it I never see religious leaders and their flock holding big protests and rallies at government buildings and military installations all over the Christian world to protest against people who do the opposite of what the scriptures and the Ten Commandments teach-such as love thy neighbor, thou shall not kill, forgive those who have sinned, and all of that other stuff about loving and respecting all people-e


because it is far more important for organized religion to be on the side of those in power..

on whom they depend for favorable rulings, and laws such that they can garner more MONEY..and make the Vatican even more obscenely dripping in jewels than it already is, with $$ billions hoarded..

same for other religions, so they can send more money to headquarters

also they like the tax rulings making them tax exempt charities, so they don't want to offend those in government

and they like having an entirely separate school (RC) system funded by taxpayer $ as in many jurisdictions in Canada

witness the religious leaders who cozied up to brutal murderous dictators throughout South/Latin America in past years
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 308
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 12:02:17 PM
On a different note. Everyone should read Karen Armstrong's book "Fields of Blood" which is about Religion and the History of violence and the correlation between the two. Awesome read. Right off the bat she addressed some of my issues between religion, power, war and the concepts of God being in your side when you go to war. It goes back to Hunter Gatherers, Agricultural societies and the development of an aristocracy, Gildamesh all the way to a concept that we take for granted, but that is actually relatively new "separation of church and state."
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 309
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 12:14:05 PM
MM--there ARE religions that are pacifist. If you look around on any given weekend, somewhere in America there are Quakers, demonstrating, protesting, sitting in. If pacifism is part of your heart, you'll find 'em.

The protests at The School of the Americas have been ongoing since 1990. http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/what-is-the-soawhinsec

Quakers also filed the first petition against slavery in 1688.

The Berkeley Meeting sent protesters on most First Days to sit in at the Berkeley Campus reactor.

The first time I called to confirm a meeting time, I was asked why I was interested in Quakers. I said: Because for years I've been reading newspapers, and find you guys getting arrested for things I believe in. Decided it was time for a look-see.

For twenty years before that I belonged to the Ethical Society--a fairly agnostic/atheist community to do intentional good.
 BeckyHT
Joined: 1/1/2013
Msg: 310
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Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 12:15:04 PM


The reason you don't see many Christian clergy and lay people engaging in protesting is because they are too busy showing hands on compassion to the poor and helpless around the world. They don't need cameras on them when there is a more immediate need for food, shelter and medical care. Many of the people that are helped have entered this world with little and will leave the same way. But the care and compassion shown to them can mean a great deal.


This is a joke.

In America, depts. of Social Services are the ones who are handing out services to the less fortunate. I've a friend who works for same, and tells me to not give handouts/meals to street people, because if they'll go to the Social Services office, they can help them. She gets really fired up about this.
Yes, there are a few religions who do help their membership, but not everyone in society. And why they don't recommend that those in need go to Social Services, is beyond me.

Why you don't see clergy and lay people protesting war is because their mission is to preach in their institution, ask for donations from their membership 'in the name of the Lord', and keep people coming back.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 312
Atheism, dating and relationships
Posted: 1/21/2015 3:05:07 PM
as long as one realize the three basic rules of religion then there will be respect and dating shouldn't be a problem

Rule no.1. religious scripture generally gives all the power to Men ....
Rule no. 2. religious scripture will always contradict itself
Rule no. 3. only a sick twisted socio-psychopathic escapee mental patient has the ability to follow scripture 100 percent

FOR EXAMPLE:
if a woman tries to bring up or teach religion to me, all I would have to do is to bible thump this passage from the bible
"1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

if a woman ask me to go to church with them ..then I would say "you mean you want to go to a place where you as a women are not allowed to talk but have to remain silent"? ....

or you can ask her if she is going to cover her hair before walking into the church, because if not according to the bible her hair should be cut off

after that they generally leave you alone about religion and then you can get down to more heathenous business
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 313
Understanding the need to delude oneself and believe one will live forever
Posted: 1/21/2015 4:45:20 PM
Becky-you are not wrong, and your friend is not wrong, but there are among the homeless, even, those that have pretty much voted to die rather than jump through any more hoops. DC used to have a shelter (maybe still does), that simply opened its doors, ad provided a place to sleep. It was different than the rest of the shelters in that it didn't require a shower, or that you be searched, or give them their social security number, or that you turn over your bottle (if you'd managed to get one). And even then there were those who'd sleep on benches rather than come in.

No homeless person doesn't know about social services--if they're still out there, and hungry, and I see 'em, I'll go ahead and give them some food. Tell your friend I'm sorry, and thank her for what she does. I come from a family riddled with social workers, lol!

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