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 2ufo
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I think 'leagues' may be what we believe to be the boundaries of the other person.
 reverendswine
Joined: 4/14/2018
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Posted: 6/10/2018 10:32:01 PM

Usually is Die Antwoord or something else i was already listening to. Many guys have commented on my poor taste in music,one actually requested we put something else on. :D


I know so many guys who want to bang that Yolandi chick, yet I can't find one appealing quality about her.

I have 4 different sex playlists. New age/Instrumental, Contemporary and Classic Ballad Mix, Industrial/Darkwave, and Sex Themed Metal.

Having music playing isn't a must for me. I deal with sound every day and don't mind having a break from it. In fact, there are times when it becomes a distraction.

Things are getting hot and heavy, and I hear "OMG!! I love this song! Can you turn it up?!", then the song ends and it's "OMG! Can you play that one again??!" Both require getting up.



Threatening w/ a "smack down"-- is that physical violence, to smack a woman bec. she has her own POV?


Physical violence through a computer or phone??? Holy shit. Not even the ass kissing White Knight Sissy Committee is going to rush to your defense on this one.



I'm enjoying life


If enjoying life consists of spending a perfectly good Saturday evening looking for an argument on the internet, then yeah, you're living the dream.
 Sweet_Danimal
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Posted: 6/10/2018 10:45:23 PM
When I use terms like 'Blue-book' value, I'm not trying to monetize the worth of someone in currency - it's a figurative sense, as if there was 'dating credits' or something like that. People are always trying to up their advertisements, drive their value higher, even lie - to get some sort of profit (or a better word, opportunity) out of it. Money doesn't have to exchange hands - but people DO like to stack up their resume of experiences like poker chips to show off to anyone around the table.


NO money involved in my value. Not a bloody dime!

Very true - but TIME was involved I'm sure. Lots of it. In many ways, THAT is our most precious commodity.

What's stupid about online dating and this cell phone culture in general, is that time has been taken away from the equation. Choice are being made immediately - if not sooner - based on vague assumptions and past experiences. We are not allowed, nor are we giving each other, a comfortable pace to grow together. We generate lists like a puzzle piece - and so long as 96% of the pieces fit, we drop everything and run with it, like it's a done deal for the next 40 years. If it doesn't quite fit, get a bigger hammer - stuff like that. It's senseless.

That's why I cut down people so quickly for acting like those 'Dating Bucks' are a spendable commodity that can be exchanged for everything from dinners to sex to flirting glances to phone numbers and jewelry. That commodity ONLY has value if the OTHER party allows it - because it's ONLY exchanged with THEM at that rate. Any other 'customer' that comes along is shopping in a new store with a new set of currency - it's not going to be identical to the previous relationship. You can't force people to like you for the exact same reasons, because that's impossible.
 BLONDE_ANGEL_1
Joined: 4/27/2018
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Posted: 6/10/2018 10:51:20 PM
If women had to, as a collective whole, pay for themselves, only a handful of men would get dates.

Younger/HOT men, period.

The rest, meh.

Rev. Swine, I don't need hero/White Knight, etc. But TY for pointing it out ;0P
 feirene
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Posted: 6/11/2018 12:22:01 AM

I know so many guys who want to bang that Yolandi chick, yet I can't find one appealing quality about her.


Probably her uniqueness or dgaf attitude, or coz she has her arse out quite a lot. A lot of guys find chavs appealing also.
 Kissfromarose77
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Posted: 6/11/2018 1:02:43 AM

If women had to, as a collective whole, pay for themselves, only a handful of men would get dates.

Younger/HOT men, period.

The rest, meh.


And why is that? Men, as a collective whole, usually pay for themselves but they don’t only date the youngest or hottest women. Older women and even less attractive women still date. The same would apply for men. You are assuming that the younger/HOT men would all want to date women who pay for themselves. Maybe not.
 MsMicki
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Posted: 6/11/2018 9:32:22 AM

If women had to, as a collective whole, pay for themselves, only a handful of men would get dates.

Younger/HOT men, period.

The rest, meh.


you are obviously only speaking of your own shallow dating morals....
some of us will continue to date men of good character, age or hotness not a factor... no matter who is paying...

I always feel like I need to put a disclaimer up after your posts: "The views expressed by some of these women are NOT the views/beliefs of all women"!!
 MachIMustangII
Joined: 2/16/2018
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Posted: 6/11/2018 10:11:35 AM
"'Leagues' are a figment of our own imagination. Much like 'Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder'. We use them to create individual borders for our own security and self-worth. If dating 'Leagues' were legitimate structures, there would be a rules committee, uniform dress specifics, more than likely a union - and a salary cap. Believing someone to be 'in' or 'out' of a League is pretty much determined by how willing YOU are to communicate with them - nothing more, nothing less."

>>>so why are weather people on the news uniformly good-looking--they get it just as wrong as anyone ugly :) Why did airline stewardesses (until recently) have to keep their figures? Why do porn stars not look average? Apparently a majority of men agree on what's hot. Why do beautiful actresses get paid more, and have their name at the top of the marque, then average looking women? B/c again, the majority agrees that woman is attractive and we want to imagine we're the guy kissing her in the end. Was Pamela Anderson ever paid on the basis of her acting skills? :)

we don't really seem to need a rules committee for the higher leagues, biology makes the rules for us. The uniform is self-chosen--the less coverage, the better we pigs respond. Union? don't need it when men are always buying the drinks. Humans do categorize by nature, b/c we are animals. Either something's a threat, or its food, or its a source of procreation in our animal minds. But once we get beyond instinct, then we can use our brains and think in more detail. I chased many a hottie out of my league, the answer was always the same--no. but a few wanted to be friends. so a lady doesn't have to have sex, to connect with you and get what you offer that she actually does want.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/11/2018 10:56:11 AM
Drink wrote:
I do believe that you're playing a game of confusing what you're attracted to, and compatibility, with what's usually meant by discussions of leagues.
Nah, playing no games. I think we just have a somewhat different definition of "leagues."

But "compatibility" has a lot to do with "leagues" in my view, maybe not 100%, but a lot. They're not mutually exclusive. Judging someone as compatible of course, takes agreement/matching on many intrinsic personal characteristics (personality, interests, values, morals) ...but almost as important, in reality, is the "league" stuff, .ie. looks, income, age, education, lifestyle, etc. etc. I consider "leagues" having to do more with the superficial stuff, which is still important though.

I will give you a caveat, though.... "leagues" may not mean as much to some people...and those would be people who fish in leagues *equal* or *below* them. Because finding mates in leagues *above* us is very difficult, and is not likely something that one do consistently. If you can fish in leagues above you consistently, then you ARE in that above league by definition.

Most can snag someone *above* their league every once in awhile, get lucky, but it's not something that can be done as an ongoing thing. Not so with dating *equal* or *below* one's league...that can be an overall strategy cuz it is more practical. And note that "leagues below" doesn't mean "worse." At least in the "no leagues" dater's eyes. It may just mean one dismisses looks or income, or age, etc. and focuses more on the inner person, or innate compatibility. Some do that easily and successfully. More power to them. I would say they are generally happier than folks who beat their head against the wall by always trying to date above their league.

So I guess, there are leagues...BUT with an asterisk...the only leagues that exist are the leagues ABOVE whatever league we're in. Because by definition we can always date in our own league or leagues below with no problem. So one dating this way may feel there are no leagues. But try to date above, and the stinging rejection encountered will be a painful reminder that there are, indeed, leagues.

So the net-net....is the ONLY people who can legitimately claim there are "no leagues" are the people in the HIGEST league, because only THEY have luxury of being able to transcend ALL leagues effortlessly, which is the true definition of "no leagues."

So after further review.............there are still leagues...BUT....with an asterisk.

Drink:
You are truly a worthless Ho.
You definitely erased any semblances of your inner Lennon on this one. Maybe you should write rap songs instead. Better yet.... Maybe you can write a Lennon bio/Gangsta rap hybrid musical, kinda like "Hamilton" maybe? And become like Lyn Manuel Miranda (sp), which would swiftly eradicate any leagues for you...
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/11/2018 11:11:46 AM
Reverend:
I have 4 different sex playlists. New age/Instrumental, Contemporary and Classic Ballad Mix, Industrial/Darkwave, and Sex Themed Metal.
I also own sex playlists,. They're on 8-tracks. And I don't own an 8 track deck...and haven't in....nevermind.


Having music playing isn't a must for me.
For me, neither is having a woman present.


I deal with sound every day and don't mind having a break from it.
Once I said "I deal with sex every day and don't mind having a break from it." Still on break.


Things are getting hot and heavy, and I hear "OMG!! I love this song! Can you turn it up?!", then the song ends and it's "OMG! Can you play that one again??!" Both require getting up.
That's easy for me. I just tell my sex partner to turn it up, so I reach over with my right hand and turn up the volume.
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Posted: 6/11/2018 11:29:21 AM

That's easy for me. I just tell my sex partner to turn it up, so I reach over with my right hand and turn up the volume.


So the right hand that has been touching one particular knob nows touches another knob...
 Sweet_Danimal
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Posted: 6/11/2018 11:39:15 AM

Was Pamela Anderson ever paid on the basis of her acting skills? :)

She was paid for her ability to sell a product. Be it makeup, calendars, swimsuits - or porn. Much of what you described in that paragraph - including weather reporters - are based off selling something for a monetary profit. Those are based on money trends created by the masses - determined by TV ratings or sales reports or 'pings' on a website. Managers and agents and lots of people behind the scenes are involved, too, so it's a lot more than one person's job to make that 'sell' happen.

Fashion designers hire models with bland looks and bodies like a twelve year old boy for their shows - because they are most easily adaptable to quick clothing and makeup changes for multiple marches down the runway. It's doesn't mean that's what modern beauty is supposed to look like in they eyes of the world, and it certainly doesn't mean as individuals we are supposed to 'love' them because of the pedestal they are put upon.

A match for 'everybody' does not mean they will work for ANY body. That's where people slip up in romance. Dating and relationships are a singular pairing - at least it is if a camera is not involved.

Individuality is a freedom many places take for granted, and yet, we get programmed constantly to NOT be so. We are told to stand in line in preschool at four years old. There is a time and place for complacency. Some of it is for our own safety - like driving on the correct side of the road and stopping for the correct light or color -- but a lot of the patterns of complacency are there simply to let others take control, and make a profit. That's why 'leagues' doesn't work - because matching the masses and forgetting the individuals' needs is terribly boring and short sighted in a one-on-one relationship.

A weather person looks attractive to draw in ratings, but if she only did the forecast for one specific address, one house in her whole broadcast region - she'd probably lose her job - but it would be kinda cool for that household, right?
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/12/2018 9:56:57 AM

So the right hand that has been touching one particular knob nows touches another knob.
That's known as a meknobs a trois. We do that when feeling particularly naughty.


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 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/12/2018 10:10:31 AM
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I'd say one of my better dates wasn't really that expensive.
Funny that's the way things kinda go. My most memorable date, she came to pick me up at my house, and we never made it out of my driveway. Her green 1974 Coupe DeVille provided the accomodations, and she was just in the mood for a car date. She had the booze. I was prepared to go out, to spend some $$, whatever, but I certainly didn't resist the change of planz. We did make it as far as the back seat.

A boozy blonde, warm Summer night, hair bands on the radio, and the backseat of a 74 Coupe DeVille. Simple times.


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 reverendswine
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Posted: 6/12/2018 4:20:02 PM

I chased many a hottie out of my league, the answer was always the same--no. but a few wanted to be friends. so a lady doesn't have to have sex, to connect with you and get what you offer that she actually does want.


Basically, play the role of the woman's shrink? Listening to her problems non-stop?? Fück that. You're willing to settle for that just to have company?

Fück leagues, too. That's a shitty way to look at dating. If one thinks in terms of leagues, they're planting seeds of doubt in their mind from the very get-go and will think of themselves as inferior, which will lead to acting inferior, which will lead to ultimately living inferior.

This all goes back to excuse makers. Thinking in terms of "leagues" is for the excuse makers. As I mentioned in another thread, there are few people in this world who are truly freaks of nature.

Shit, go visit a hospital burn unit and come back telling me how the so called "average" people don't have a fighting chance. The opportunity to dramatically improve one's odds is always an option. Either do it or do without. Very simple.
 fullmoonguy2
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Posted: 6/12/2018 5:52:31 PM

My statement was a man w/ more $ will have more choices than a man w/ no $ or less $


A moot point in reality.

Sadly, the choices aren't any better as far as mental attraction.

Mediocre thinking cuts across the entire socio-economic spectrum.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/13/2018 11:49:45 AM
Drink:
For many of us, there are no leagues.


Reverend:
Fück leagues


A fascinating study in the variety of forum communication styles.

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 MachIMustangII
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Posted: 6/13/2018 6:08:42 PM
"Basically, play the role of the woman's shrink? Listening to her problems non-stop?? Fück that. You're willing to settle for that just to have company?"

>>>when you are in the lower leagues of physical looks, you realize eventually that the choice is sit at home, or have a woman's company under these conditions. Some fellows might convince themselves that someday, she'll be in the right mood and he'll get lucky. as you mentioned before, they too are trained to keep on, keeping on, forge ahead, don't give up the ghost, get out there and take a chance, et cetera--to them, sitting at home IS settling for something, so they take your & Henry's attitude and at least hang out with a beautiful woman, price be damned. Sometimes it pays off--tomorrow I have to bring a car to the garage, and rather than ask the mechanic for a ride home, a female friend is giving me a ride and taking me shopping b/c I don't feel like trusting the backup car. I've been to lunch/dinner with her in the past, and attractive waitresses etc will talk to me thinking i'm not single, i'm with her--based on the platonic intimacy.

Another time, I got to listen to a hot female friend complain about the state cop banging her on a Saturday night during Sunday dinners, and later when she had some medical issues and wanted/needed to go to NYC to see a specialist, I got her to get us both a hotel in Times Square the night before, so I didn't have to wake up at the ass-crack of dawn to accompany her around downtown NYC in case she had an issue. she had also offered in the past to share cellphone plans so we could text nonstop and to let me keep a kayak at her beach house (yeah, I could see her "bf" enjoying that, no thanks :) ).It was a nice little "get out of town", all expenses paid, and she was nice to look at. Of course, i'd want far more--a long time ago, a female friend decided to date me, and I got to know her far well than I did as her friend. Sex is nice (we only fooled around, she wasn't interested in me, but in getting over her ex and not being alone for Christmas), but you get to know someone better thru it, b/c more is literally exposed. Which is why I am a male pig and want to have sex with women--its not just the act, its the pillow talk and everything else.

So, I accept the glass half full when its worth doing. and refuse it the rest of the time. I can understand your attitude towards mine, women treat you differently than they treat me :) we come from our experiences--I've always had beautiful women walk right past me to talk to my hot male friend sitting right next to me, talking to me, ignoring her until she got his attention. I don't need to experience a burn unit to know what my chances are :) I still try to ask out the most beautiful women I meet, I always got my relationships from women who made the first move and sometimes they were good looking and the timing was right for me.

Walking into any situation with a defeatist attitude isn't a great idea, except for the fact you have already planned for the worst. Success indeed breeds success, but guys who are good looking expect to get treated that way--do women treat an attractive man like he's attractive b/c he has an attitude...or b/c their eyes are open? :) Ironically, I've had some beautiful women I knew get friendly with me around other people, b/c the women knew I knew my place and was harmless, and the result was other guys looking thought I had something going on with these women. If only those witnessing knew the real story--I sure wasn't going to tell :)
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 6/14/2018 3:16:09 AM
...here's the problem with the concept of "leagues":

It's the same with bad-boy vs nice-guy, and alpha-male vs beta-male. So consider this a three-for-one. I feel like I'd say something similar about a couple of other things too, but can't remember at the moment.

These are "frameworks of thinking" which barely begin to apply or explain something, but break down quickly, yet a person continues to try and force them to apply as if out of desperation or not knowing something better or having any better tools to work with.

Here's an analogy to maybe decrease the amount of smoke that comes out of one's ears trying to get what I mean -

Alchemy. This was a framework for trying to explain reality which assumed the base concepts of earth, air, water, fire, & aether and/or phlogiston. It was wrong. It was superseded. But until there was a collective consensus as to the approach's obsolescence, people would twist and mangle it in an attempt to somehow make it work even though it didn't. They'd see how it seemed to fit certain things to a limited extent, so tried to stretch the framework well beyond it's practicality, being frustrated but not able to see that their basic framework was wrong in the first place. Here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy

Chemistry. This is a discipline which works with molecules, atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons...and the elements of the periodic table. It is a model...a framework of thinking...which works. It applies. Working with this framework, there is little frustration and loads of productivity. Things make sense, consistently. There is no need to squeeze the turnip for blood because it works. Here is a link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry

Now consider the following -

- Bad boy, nice guy
- Alpha male, beta male
- In your league, out of your league

Consistently using these terms...the concepts...in any serious way and trying to make them actually work or explain something, is like being stuck in Alchemy. It is fair and valid to use the words in a momentary, casual, slangish fashion now and then, subjective to the conversation of the moment...just like how it is with everything else in one's use of language. But treating these ways of thinking as if they reflect some kind of applicable, consistent, or accurate science...is the same as continuing to force Alchemy to apply or explain things. They break down very quickly. They become non-useful very quickly. We just have to notice that it's not doing any good. We just have to stop making hundreds of you tube videos and forums posts trying to force them to explain things. We just have to notice why there seems to be so much dissonance and lack of universal consistency with the logic in the conversations using these terms as if they're doing us any good.

Even WITHIN the above 3 frameworks, even USING them...they've already been debunked. Even from within them, they've been proven wrong.

So, if you still use these terms in any serious way and construct arguments and dating philosophies based on them...it just makes you seem like a junior-high-schooler.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 6/14/2018 3:46:10 AM
MsMicki:

I always feel like I need to put a disclaimer up after your posts: "The views expressed by some of these women are NOT the views/beliefs of all women"!!

Oh don't worry about it. Any man who's any good at all already knows that.
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Posted: 6/14/2018 7:28:23 AM

I always feel like I need to put a disclaimer up after your posts: "The views expressed by some of these women are NOT the views/beliefs of all women"!!



Oh don't worry about it. Any man who's any good at all already knows that.


Exactly. Most women I know and/or I had dates with don't agree with BA on this topic.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/14/2018 7:56:17 AM
Drink wrote:
..here's the problem with the concept of "leagues":
I will read this reply and comment later. Even though I probably disagree, your rationale is always well though out. But my short answer, without even reading your reply here, is that the concept of "leagues" is a shared concept. I mean, you - yourself can choose not to see leagues, but you can't dictate that others have the same "leagueless" outlook. So if you decide to go out there and fish in all leagues, that's fine, and more power to you...but that doesn't mean that the fish you try to catch will share the same leagueless view, and thus you may still be judged by what league you're in. It takes two to tango.

And also, as I wrote before, having a leaguless outlook may be two different experiences....observing no leagues below you, and observing no leagues above you. Fishing in leagues above one's own league is a whole different ballgame, er, fishing game vs. below you.

Now the concept of leagues should NOT dissuade anyone from trying to fish in other leagues, should they wish to choose to do so. By all means, have at it. Move on up....(great song by Curtis Mayfield btw).....that's the Murcan way, ain't it??
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Posted: 6/14/2018 8:33:27 AM
SS4544Spd wrote:
Now the concept of leagues should NOT dissuade anyone from trying to fish in other leagues, should they wish to choose to do so. By all means, have at it. Move on up....(great song by Curtis Mayfield btw).....that's the Murcan way, ain't it??


Leagues, schmeagues, whatever~
More importantly, where's this 'Murcan galaxy' of which you speak?
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/14/2018 8:50:38 AM
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Leagues, schmeagues, whatever~
Hate to tell ya darlin', but folks may also have problems trying to date outside of their schmeague.


More importantly, where's this 'Murcan galaxy' of which you speak?
We will have to ask George W. Bush that one.

Now, the galaxy I used to fish in, I didn't fish with a line, I fished with a commercial net, using a one of those professional fishing trawlers. In other words, I trawled. So there were some interleague catches involved...but they were rare. Now, as time went on, the catches became skimpier and skimpier, and when I started emptying my nets on deck and started finding only empty beer cans, driftwood and used condoms, I decided to hang it up.
 whiterose0
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Posted: 6/14/2018 11:31:43 AM

But my short answer, without even reading your reply here, is that the concept of "leagues" is a shared concept. I mean, you - yourself can choose not to see leagues, but you can't dictate that others have the same "leagueless" outlook. So if you decide to go out there and fish in all leagues, that's fine, and more power to you...but that doesn't mean that the fish you try to catch will share the same leagueless view, and thus you may still be judged by what league you're in. It takes two to tango.


This is very true. And even if another person doesn't believe in "leagues" per se, that person may still think they're too good for you.


Now the concept of leagues should NOT dissuade anyone from trying to fish in other leagues, should they wish to choose to do so. By all means, have at it. Move on up....(great song by Curtis Mayfield btw).....that's the Murcan way, ain't it??


There was a thread in here not long ago, which was started by a man who admitted that he had low self-worth. He had contacted an attractive woman, who rudely told him in so many words that she was out of his league. It devastated him so much that he actually posted a link to her profile.

My thoughts are that if you're going to "fish in other leagues", you should first work on raising your self-esteem level. You need to develop a thick skin and be okay with the possibility of getting shot down. The same holds true for people you think of as your equals.
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