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 NotGorshkovAgain
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You are being far too harsh here. The child is not yet in kindergarten.

It's called sarcasm.

Tragic accident. Justice will be served.

When you get hit by lightning, it''s a tragic accident. When everybody and their dog can walk around packing, "because", it's predictable, preventable, and inevitable.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 402
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Posted: 2/1/2015 10:43:08 PM
or simply lifting them from wherever they're laying about in the parental home."

Well, I'll tell ya what, if you are a parent that has a child that is dangerous, or has problems and you leave that weapon out, available, then that parent should face charges along with the person doing the shooting. Responsible people don't leave weapons around to be used by someone deranged, it doesn't and can't add up. There are homes and parents that have taught their family the responsibility, the safety and the use of a weapon. A person who is deranged or isn't responsible, will do stupid things. Happens when people are driving under the influence also. It all comes down to choices and responsible people. To use the crutch and yell and scream about weapons is so liberal. We better ban vehicles right now also.

To the poster I quoted, maybe you and the others need to be responsible adults and teach. But blame something else, that is the liberal way.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 403
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Posted: 2/1/2015 11:12:39 PM
"Lawful and decent Americans do not wish for murderous terrorists to board commercial aircraft."

>>but as soon as you turn "wish" into "action", and inflict upon the American ticket-buyer the same level of security an El al flight demands, as soon as you add to the ticket price the cost of such things like paying the TSA enough to bust their ass to catch suspects rather than act with the enthusiam of a WalMart greeter looking in your bag...people flat out don't want to pay what it costs to keep terrorists and their weapons off airplanes. 9/11 could potentially have been thwarted, for example, if every commerical plane had locks installed on****it doors. Who wants to get stuck paying for such government regulation? Certainly not the people who think government's too much in our lives and strangling small business.

"Lawful and decent Americans do not wish for murderous criminals to own or possess firearms, either."

>>cool, so let's register all weapons AND ammunition. Taggets go into ALL blackpowder,so when a bomb gets assembled from black powder, it can be traced back to who bought it. If you are part of the NRA, you remember their push against taggets, that it was the slippery slope. Closing the gun show loophole and demanding that all gun shops be forced to hand over all sales paperwork in order to shut down the "iron pipeline" of Interstate 95 shipping guns from Florida gunshops via straw man purchases to New York City? guess who doesn't want the government tracing weapons and ammo? the same people who don't want those guns and ammo sneaking into the hands of criminals. Why should people who use guns legally worry about having all their guns and ammo accounted for? b/c it might lead to seizure.

again, wishes don't lead to action. Give the BATF the budget to enforce all its laws. Make gun shops give over inventory lists, don't make it a voluntary thing the government has to say, "pretty please let us know if you know where all your Bushmasters are in your store, so we know some didn't happen to slip out." The NRA worries a lot about its slippery slopes, even if they might help law enforcement.

we love to say once government gets power from a law its passed, it never gives up that law--so therefore we need to keep government from passing certain laws. Yet, every years laws get revoked--even amendments like Prohibition. If we're afraid of terrorists on planes and criminals getting guns, then let's actually do something, like paying what it costs to make sure terrorists can't get on planes, and that criminals really can't get guns b/c they're getting watched too closely.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/2/2015 6:33:59 AM

Incorrect.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=fLk7x7JL1fo&x-yt-ts=1422579428
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:08:25 AM
so the argument is that because in 99.999% of the households that have guns where children reside there is no accidental death by firearm that laws need to be made more strict?
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:27:40 AM

so the argument is that because in 99.999% of the households that have guns where children reside there is no accidental death by firearm that laws need to be made more strict?


Slow on the uptake doesn't quite do this ^^^ justice.


You might recall the LawnDarts example I used a few pages back... LawnDarts ended up being removed from sale, so (think hard now, before you answer) do you think they got removed from sale because 99000 households bought them and didn't drill any neighbourhood kid through the skull with them?

Why do you think vehicles have airbags and crumple zones and suchlike? Is it because 10,000,000 vehicles every year don't crash?
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:47:34 AM
so your answer is yes...because less than 100th of percent of children living in a household with guns dies in an accidental shooting,the 99.999 percent of households who have no incidents should be further regulated..


LawnDarts ended up being removed from sale, so (think hard now, before you answer) do you think they got removed from sale because 99000 households bought them and didn't drill any neighbourhood kid through the skull with them?
nope,I think they were removed because liberals through a fit and cited the few examples of people being injured by them to get them taken off the market in the name of "safety"...
not really sure about your comparison does the Constitution give the "Right to bare lawn darts"?

Vehicles have airbags and what not because people let the government add additional regulation in the name of "safety"
The problem with the liberal mentality is that you think life should not involve any personal responsibility or risk..Do you wear a helmet when you ride your bike? I bet you do and if you don't you think everyone else should..

what do 90% of the incidents involving accidental shootings of children have in common? lack of parental supervision,
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:12:48 AM

You might recall the LawnDarts example I used a few pages back... LawnDarts ended up being removed from sale, so (think hard now, before you answer) do you think they got removed from sale because 99000 households bought them and didn't drill any neighbourhood kid through the skull with them?

Why do you think vehicles have airbags and crumple zones and suchlike? Is it because 10,000,000 vehicles every year don't crash?


so your answer is yes...because less than 100th of percent of children living in a household with guns dies in an accidental shooting,the 99.999 percent of households who have no incidents should be further regulated..


None of my responses are 'answers'. They are questions. That's what this little symbol means - ?


nope,I think they were removed because liberals through a fit and cited the few examples of people being injured by them to get them taken off the market in the name of "safety"...
not really sure about your comparison does the Constitution give the "Right to bare lawn darts"?


It's not a comparison, and you didn't mention 'rights' or teh ConstiTutionz. You just seemed confused as to why safety measures might be a good idea and hypothesised it might because "99.999%" of the time no one gets hurt.

I was just trying to help you understand that you have it backwards. Though I'm still not sure you've grasped it.


Vehicles have airbags and what not because people let the government add additional regulation in the name of "safety"
The problem with the liberal mentality is that you think life should not involve any personal responsibility or risk..Do you wear a helmet when you ride your bike? I bet you do and if you don't you think everyone else should..


Damn right! I figure steering wheels should just have big sharp spike right in the middle, about a foot long. Only irresponsible people and criminals who do the wrong thing will have anything to worry about.


what do 90% of the incidents involving accidental shootings of children have in common? lack of parental supervision,


what do 100% of the incidents involving accidental shootings of children have in common? Think really hard now...
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:27:13 AM
"The problem with the liberal mentality is that you think life should not involve any personal responsibility"

Now that ^^^^^^^^^^^ could mean so many different issues in America today with liberal mentality.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 410
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:28:30 AM

Posted by LyingCheat:
"what do 100% of the incidents involving accidental shootings of children have in common? Think really hard now."

Those accidents all involve failure to follow basic safety rules! That was a simple question, of course.
Here are the easy Eddie Eagle rules that ALL parents should share with their kids...whether they own guns or not:

IF YOU SEE A GUN:
* STOP!
* Don't Touch.
* Leave the Area.
* Tell an Adult.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 411
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:38:45 AM

The problem with the liberal mentality is that you think life should not involve any personal responsibility or risk.


Sorry, this is not a "liberal" thing. I am liberal and think that life IS taking personal responsibility for my actions and other's actions. I think the majority of liberals feel this way.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 412
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Posted: 2/3/2015 7:57:34 AM

nope,I think they were removed because liberals through a fit and cited the few examples of people being injured by them to get them taken off the market in the name of "safety"...


When you understand that what you "think" and the truth are two different things, you should be very much embarrassed for yourself.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 413
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Posted: 2/3/2015 11:52:04 AM

Here are the easy Eddie Eagle rules that ALL parents should share with their kids...whether they own guns or not:

IF YOU SEE A GUN:
* STOP!
* Don't Touch.
* Leave the Area.
* Tell an Adult.


Kinda leaves out the parents who took their nine year old daughter to a shooting range, where she shot and killed the instructor.

Kinda leaves out the two year old who shot and killed his mama in Wal-Mart.

Leaves out the five day old baby in her daddy's arms who was shot in the head inside their house.

Leaves out in fact any child under the age of six.

And could only be proclaimed as useful by a non-parent. Non-psychologist. Non-historian. Non-teacher. Or anyone else who knows nothing of the way a child's mind operates.

The reason private swimming pools are lighted, alarmed, and fenced is because of something known to lawyers as an "attractive nuisance"--In the law of torts, the attractive nuisance doctrine states that a landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on the land if the injury is caused by a hazardous object or condition on the land that is likely to attract children who are unable to appreciate the risk posed by the object or ...
Attractive nuisance doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine

TV and movies have certainly made guns attractive nuisances, eh?
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 12:50:00 PM

Posted by GTOMustang:
"...Cool, so let's register all weapons AND ammunition..."

No. That would be a violation of the U.S. Constitution. You will notice the "shall not be infringed" below.
If people are found trafficking and/or using a firearm in the commission of a crime, they can be charged accordingly.


Posted by GTOMustang:
"...Taggets go into ALL blackpowder,so when a bomb gets assembled from black powder, it can be traced back to who bought it..."

First of all, the word is taggants and they are of virtually no use in the real world.
Taggants in explosives interfere with performance and have been proven unreliable.
This has great (and potentially dangerous) industrial, construction, manufacturing, hunting, and sporting impact.
Besides...let's concentrate on finding, apprehending, and prosecuting evildoers and terrorists before they strike.

When in doubt, simply refer to these words:

Wisely written by our brilliant Founding Fathers in our U.S. Constitution - Amendment II:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
 NotGorshkovAgain
Joined: 4/29/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 1:14:37 PM
@eric:


Posted by GTOMustang:
"...Cool, so let's register all weapons AND ammunition..."


No. That would be a violation of the U.S. Constitution. You will notice the "shall not be infringed" below.


Serious question, I'm not trolling - what is the logic behind the idea that registering weapons infringes on your right to bear arms, if registration does not preclude ownership?
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 1:33:30 PM

Posted by NotGorshkovAgain:
"Serious question, I'm not trolling - what is the logic behind the idea that registering weapons infringes on your right to bear arms, if registration does not preclude ownership?"

During the earliest days of our country, our Founding Fathers created a new country focused upon liberty and freedom. The Second Amendment was crafted to ensure a centralized and (potentially) overreaching federal government would be safely held in check. The Second Amendment also ensures other components of the U.S. Constitution are followed. That is also why the Second Amendment is so very prominent in the document. Constitutional scholars advise a consolidated list of "registered" gunowners and their possessions opposes the direction given by our Founding Fathers.
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
Msg: 417
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:04:43 PM

notgorshkovagain:
Serious question, I'm not trolling - what is the logic behind the idea that registering weapons infringes on your right to bear arms, if registration does not preclude ownership?


We have a long History of Distrusting the Government when it comes to Arms...

Why did Gen. Gage send 700 Regular Troops to Lexington & Concord? Which led to the First Battle of our Revolutionary War..... The History of the USA starts with the Crown trying to Confiscate Our Guns....

Gun Control isn't about Controlling Guns, Rather it's about the Government Controlling People....

Once again from One of Our Founding Fathers.......



“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Samuel Adams


And from Ben Franklin.......


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:22:47 PM

During the earliest days of our country, our Founding Fathers created a new country focused upon liberty and freedom. The Second Amendment was crafted to ensure a centralized and (potentially) overreaching federal government would be safely held in check. The Second Amendment also ensures other components of the U.S. Constitution are followed. That is also why the Second Amendment is so very prominent in the document. Constitutional scholars advise a consolidated list of "registered" gunowners and their possessions opposes the direction given by our Founding Fathers.


Yeah and when they drafted the constitution it was a level playing field, the weapons available were muskets and cannons.So in the 21st Century any well organised militia who thinks they can defeat the US military is delusional.
The Constitutional scholars you mention are no doubt NRA members.

The 2nd amendment was to ensure citizens had the right to defend themselves with you know, muskets and cannons, the same weapons the military had way back in the dark ages.

If we transfer that reasoning to the 21st Century, that would mean US citizens have the right to own a whole plethora of weapons including Nukes.
Would you suggest that would be rational?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 419
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:25:48 PM
@ notgorshkovagain
What about the RCMP gun grab in High River Alberta.Home base of the opposition leader.Under the pretext of the flood they torched open gun safes of registered gun owners and breached secure homes more than once searching for grandfathered weapons.
 raxarsr
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:27:24 PM
poster 433......you ask about the logic of registering guns............instead of asking americans........ask the german citizens........espically the jewish ones in 1937...............thats when the nazi government collected all the privately owned firearms

most american citizens learned their lesson then.........we WILL NOT see that particular bit of history repete itself
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:33:22 PM

Posted by RobAustralia:
several emotionally-driven non sequiturs about muskets, cannons, nuclear weapons, the military, and the NRA.

Incorrect.

The beloved Founding Fathers in our country also created the brilliant First Amendment.
They did not envision internet, email, telephones, television telegrams, telegraphs, cellphones, radios, word processors, typewriters, satellites, and a bunch of other technology, either. Yet they had the supreme VISION to know we needed a timeless and enduring framework for our country.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 422
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Posted: 2/3/2015 2:50:20 PM

most american citizens learned their lesson then.........we WILL NOT see that particular bit of history repete itself


history has every possibly of repeating itself in any country on this planet, why such a simplistic view? i and another
poster has brought this up, again, whether you have a closet full of rocket launchers with an Apache parked in
the driveway, or for sake of argument the ability to make a nuke

it's a false sense of security ( panem et circenses) ergo your 2nd amendment (as it is written) has no practicality in today's world

* Eric, this isn't about the 1st
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 5:12:33 PM

poster 433......you ask about the logic of registering guns............instead of asking americans........ask the german citizens........espically the jewish ones in 1937...............thats when the nazi government collected all the privately owned firearms


Actually that is for the most a myth which was has been studied and published here:

BERNARD E. HARCOURT HITLER AND GUN REGISTRATION
Professor of Law, University of Chicago.
Thanks to Kate Levine and Aaron Simowitz for excellent Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews DRAFT: April 5, 2004
Bernard E. Harcourt

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/harcourt_fordham.pdf



most american citizens learned their lesson then.........we WILL NOT see that particular bit of history repete itself


Well if you think you could stop your own military with some AR15's you keep dreaming that dream.

Because in case you have not been paying attention, your military is one fine tuned killing machine and they have literally trillions of dollars of assets at their immediate disposal.


So looks to me like you did not learn your lesson very well.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 2/3/2015 5:57:24 PM
OK - maybe I was a bit imprecise in what I asked. I'm aware of the philosophical justifications. I don't agree with them, but that's not the point, nor was it what I intended to ask. I was trying to ask about the LEGAL justification.

So a slight rephrasing (still not trolling, it's just something I've never heard explained) - given that the constitution says "shall not infringe ...", what LEGAL theory (or other laws) precludes registration or regulation, provided ownership is not affected? And why do the "well-regulated militia" bits always seem to be ignored? (Again - I'm wondering about the LEGAL theories, not the philosophical bits). Not philosophically desirable is not the same as illegal.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
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Posted: 2/3/2015 6:31:14 PM
BERNARD E. HARCOURT


HFX are you saying this man^^^^^^^^^said that Hitler didn't take away the right of a Jew to have a firearm? You said the word "myth" so just wanted to clarify if that is what you are saying.


VVVVVVVVVVVVV Jews were forbidden to own weapons, to have permits to own firearms
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