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 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 451
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Exactly correct and that correlates precisely with what every Constitutional scholar reports as well.


*every* ? Really? Every last one? No exceptions?

lol!
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 452
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Posted: 2/4/2015 10:39:24 PM

Posted by Behind-Blue-Eyes_53:
"It referred to the property of something being in proper working order.
Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected."

That is only semi-true... as it is expressed... That is a general application... but the specific application tends to be... well... specific to the application... a "well ordered" business... entails something entirely different... than a "well ordered" machine...

So what did "well ordered" mean... in the context of a militia... in the 18th century...? Well... it meant... "disciplined"... in the military sense of discipline... such as "drilled" (trained in basic military maneuvers)... and "competently led"...

There is no way in hell... you can argue that an unorganized graba$$ mob of yahoos... count as "disciplined"... in the military sense... or even "competently led"... with a straight face... The evidence and examples of that are immediate and obvious...
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 453
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Posted: 2/5/2015 5:37:55 AM
Funny to see libs misuse and misinterpret Supreme court rulings to prove their case and then totally ignore Supreme court rulings regarding the 2nd amendment..District of Columbia vs Heller-

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 454
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Posted: 2/5/2015 7:03:18 AM

Funny to see libs misuse and misinterpret Supreme court rulings to prove their case and then totally ignore Supreme court rulings regarding the 2nd amendment..District of Columbia vs Heller-

Who has said it "limits or expands" the meaning... the comments in this exchange indicate that people are saying... that the clause describes the purpose of the amendment...

Looks more to me as if they are saying... "regulation" is constitutional... and the Supreme Court has indicated the same...

Funny to see conservatives overplay their hand... well... actually... "typical" would be more accurate...
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 455
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Posted: 2/5/2015 7:33:45 AM
Citizens of other countries entirely distraught by freedoms enjoyed by patriotic Americans are certainly welcomed to write to our legislators to courteously voice their opinions. They would love to hear from you.
 NotGorshkovAgain
Joined: 4/29/2009
Msg: 456
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Posted: 2/5/2015 8:00:42 AM
@eric:

Citizens of other countries entirely distraught by freedoms enjoyed by patriotic Americans are certainly welcomed to write to our legislators to courteously voice their opinions. They would love to hear from you.

First - don't you think that was just a wee bit condescending? It's not like Americans have never freely given their opinion of what other countries do or don't do. Nobody here is disputing your right to govern yourselves as suits you. It's your country and your society, after all. It shouldn't be too much to ask that accept the same for us.

Second - it's not even that we're distraught, necessarily - it's more likely that we just don't understand the fetish with firearms that your culture seems to enjoy so much.

Maybe some of us don't WANT that particular freedom and just don't understand the desire, or see the need in a modern nation state. Not liking something about the US is not the same as being jealous of it. Doing something differently than you, because we have decided that it is right for our society does not make us automagically wrong or inferior, or you automagically right. It makes us different, period.

And as a quick aside - if somebody doesn't enjoy a particular freedom, does that mean they are not patriotic, as you've implied?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 457
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Posted: 2/5/2015 9:20:07 AM

Citizens of other countries entirely distraught by freedoms enjoyed by patriotic Americans are certainly welcomed to write to our legislators to courteously voice their opinions. They would love to hear from you.


When did South and North American get together and form a government?
 tinkerbellcgy
Joined: 9/17/2005
Msg: 458
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Posted: 2/5/2015 10:02:34 AM

eric_summit wrote: Citizens of other countries entirely distraught by freedoms enjoyed by patriotic Americans are certainly welcomed to write to our legislators to courteously voice their opinions. They would love to hear from you.

What makes you so sure that the poster to which you are directing the above quote is not a USA citizen. Did the thought ever occur to you that perhaps that poster is a citizen of the USA who happens to be currently residing in Canada? I believe that there are several posters in these fora who are citizens of countries other than where they currently reside.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 459
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Posted: 2/5/2015 10:49:22 AM

What makes you so sure that the poster to which you are directing the above quote is not a USA citizen....
I believe that there are several posters in these fora who are citizens of countries other than where they currently reside.

That's quite true... I suspect that it is the result of some fundamental conservative biases...

One would be the assumption that the US is so great... that no true American would ever choose to live permanently somewhere else over living in the US... this is closely connected to the delusion that no other place has "true freedom"... we've seen this attitude expressed here... in comments about "being subjects"...

I'm sure that... living in Calgary and what with all the oil... you've run across many instances of the "American conservatives in Canada" effect... and the "ugliness" that often accompanies it...

The kind of thing you quoted derives from the same place...
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
Msg: 460
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Posted: 2/5/2015 12:05:11 PM

Skoochie:
Eric,
The US Congress banned assault weapons in the 90's. Apparently, there's a rule somewhere that the brilliant Founding Fathers put in the Constitution that they have the authority to amend the Constitution. Your argument is trumped within the Constitution that you're waving.


When the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 Sunsetted in 2004 there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth by some Democrats...... Yet, when they controlled both the Legislative & Executive Branch's of the US Government after BHO was Elected, why didn't they reinstate the Ban? Maybe they remember what happened after the 1994 Ban was enacted....

Plus now We have both the Heller & McDonald Decisions by the SCOTUS........

If You Ultra Liberals think getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is such a Good Idea, then Propose a Amendment to the Constitution to get rid if it...... You won't because You know it will be a Big Loss, not just the Amendment, but to the Party that Proposes it, too..... Just as the Religious Right may Wail about Abortion, but You don't see a Serious Push to Amend the Constitution to get Rid of it......
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 461
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Posted: 2/5/2015 12:56:08 PM
Really wanting our right wingnuts to explain how *this* dude [ http://src1.politicususa.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/open-carry-kroger-e1409839059147.jpg ] is part of any militia, much less a well regulated one. . . .
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 462
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Posted: 2/5/2015 1:20:52 PM

why didn't they reinstate the Ban?

What does this have to do with... the constitutionality of "gun control"... If anything... the very fact you mention actually proves the constitutionality of "gun control"... it demonstrates that Congress DOES have the constitutional authority to regulate guns...

Simply by virtue of... wait for it... having the choice to do so in the first place...

Once again... we owe thanks to the "anti-gun control" geniuses... for proving that "gun control" is constitutional...



If You Ultra Liberals think getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is such a Good Idea, then Propose a Amendment to the Constitution to get rid if it......

Who said anything about getting rid of it...? The only point we have been making... is that Congress has the authority to regulate guns... meaning "gun control" is constitutional... as in... not an infringement of the 2nd Amendment...

and we thank you again for proving our point for us...
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 463
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Posted: 2/5/2015 1:23:15 PM

Just as the Religious Right may Wail about Abortion, but You don't see a Serious Push to Amend the Constitution to get Rid of it......




Republicans Include Tax Hike In Latest Abortion Bill
Posted: 01/22/2015 10:58 am EST
By: Jennifer Bendery

WASHINGTON -- After a botched effort to pass legislation imposing a 20-week ban on abortions, House Republicans are moving forward Thursday with what's being dubbed a less controversial bill that codifies a ban on federal funding for abortions.

Read more about the religious right and their anti-abortion efforts at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/republicans-tax-abortion_n_6523714.html?cps=gravity_2425_8360217855050499787
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 464
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Posted: 2/5/2015 5:18:52 PM
obviously, the little jokey emoticon I placed after the "well-regulated" got missed as sarcasm, but well-regulated does mean something--a business, an organization, for example--being in proper working order. So, what do we call an organization that has no disciplined inventory, no totalling of what it owns? Do armories refuse to register all of its stock? they would be a poorly-regulated inventory, leading to a poorly-run armory. Its difficult for a militia or an individual to scare off any threat with just your hand in your pocket like its a gun--or a promise that you may have a weapon that works left at home.

why did the ban not get re-instated? one reason was it listed banned items by name, so the manufacturer simply changed the name. Or a barrel length (remember those semi auto Uzis and H&K MP5's of the 1980's that had those ridiculous long barrels so they could be considered 9mm rifles?). Or change a telescoping stock to a fixed one so the new item for sale was of the required length.

the other, more obvious reason, is the NRA. Money talks in politics since the says of the Roman Legislature.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 465
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Posted: 2/5/2015 5:42:56 PM

They both work for the sheriff's dept. where the 5 homocides occured in Ga. and live about 5 miles from that residence.

.There's more to this than has been made public, it's not just a random shooting as in someone just "going off".

All were shot except one, the 16 yr old girl. She suffered a sadistic perverted death.

He had bought his handgun at a pawn shop after passing the background check. He apparently had no prior CH of any significance.

Definitely premeditated and I'm sure they will go for the death penalty.


Do you know the timeframe of when he purchased the gun and how long after the crime was committed? If it was the same day, then it was a crime of impulse. In my State if you wish to purchase a firearm there is a 28 day cooling off period, which prevents crimes of impulse with a firearm happening.

But of course the Wild West wouldn't have a bar of such common sense because that might infringe on the "right to bear arms"

What is the big deal and why the objections to having a gun licence and your firearms registered in the Wild West? When the Police in my State are called to a domestic dispute, the technology available nowadays enables them to quickly determine if there are any gun owners in the house. If there is none they can be reasonably confident they won't be confronted by someone toting a gun. Common sense do you think?
But of course in the Wild West the police wouldn't have any idea if anyone in the house had a gun.

The nut jobs at the NRA misinform people about Hitler disarming the citizens, he did disarm the Jews of course, which were 1% of the population.The NRA doesn't tell people the real truth. It is just a lie to make gun control disfavourable to citizens of the Wild West.

Gun control does not equal Gun confiscation.

The Wild West could introduce measures to reduce the senseless slaughter of its citizens with firearms, but as soon as any suggest it, people start whining about it because of the "right to bear arms"
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 466
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Posted: 2/5/2015 6:04:01 PM

Our founding fathers Original intent of the Second Amendment was for Free citizens to have the means to fight tyranny brought about by government overreach. Be it fed, state or local. The Second Amendment is what gives Teeth to the Constitution and Bill of Rights and gives us the right, and means, to oppose tyranny.

The original intent of the 2nd Amendment has basically been rendered obsolete. First and foremost, the US is not the experimental and fragile republic it was prior to the Civil War. A distant second is that the idea of fighting the full force of modern weaponry, surveillance, and crowd control technology with AR-15's and Glocks is a laughable one. Even the NRA tacitly admits as much with its acceptance of bans on armor piercing rounds and very strict regulations on private ownership of automatic weapons.

There are several avenues towards fighting tyranny that are more effective and much less extreme than taking up arms. If it ever gets to that point, we have much bigger issues than interpreting the 2nd Amendment.

As String6 has said, it is much more about protection against crime than government now as a practical matter. In that sense, we are basically fighting a prevalence of criminal firearms with a prevalence of legal firearms. I know it looks absurd to people outside the US, but that is the path we have chosen as a culture.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 467
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Posted: 2/5/2015 6:08:56 PM
Msg 485......."If there is none they can be reasonably confident they won't be confronted by someone toting a gun. Common sense do you think?"


^^^^^ You are kidding right? Cops never ASSUME anything and that has to be their mindset confronting anyone. Domestic calls are some of the most dangerous.
 CrookCatcher
Joined: 7/14/2014
Msg: 468
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Posted: 2/5/2015 6:32:14 PM

Do you know the timeframe of when he purchased the gun and how long after the crime was committed?


My understanding is he purchased it 4-5 days prior.

There were items used on the 16 yr old that ordinarily would'nt be a household item. Not saying they could'nt have been, but not likely.

Looks as though the grandfather confronted him at the door and is shot and left in the kitchen, the wife is the next victim, then the grandmother, then the friend of the 16 yr old. The last three victims bodies were moved after the 16 yr old was restrained. Their bodies were arranged so to speak.

The 16 yr old girl did not have a quick death. She was not shot.

Though this is no official finding, my personal thoughts are I believe the 16 yr old told her mother she was being sexually abused by her step father and he was told they were going to report it to the authorities and kicked him out of the residence.

I don't know what his mindset would have been at that point, desperation?anger? fear? Why was the 16 yr old the trigger for the physical torture?
There were obvious signs of what I would call remorse with the placement of the other three females bodies.

I do know that at booking he said he did'nt want to hurt anyone else.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 469
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Posted: 2/5/2015 7:05:19 PM

Posted by RobAustralia:
"The nut jobs at the NRA misinform people about Hitler disarming the citizens, he did disarm the Jews of course, which were 1% of the population."

Did you seriously just write that? Oh, it was just that pesky Jewish minority you say, huh? Unreal!
You undoubtedly do know the racist origin of gun-grabbers in the United States, one would imagine.

Spoken by gun-grabber Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia:
"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side...Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

It commenced in the segregated Deep South to prevent black citizens from obtaining a means to protect themselves. Gun-grabbing was promoted heavily by notorious KKK members like Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia. Gun control was then and remains today a means by which for power-hungry regimes to attempt keep a population suppressed and disenfranchised.

You mentioned in Msg# 197 you felt murder charges should be brought against politicians and NRA members. What has the response been from prosecutors, judges, and other legislators whom you contacted with your evidence? What has been the general reception for any letters you may have written to have the Second Amendment removed from the U.S. Constitution? The wonderful thing about our freedom-loving country is that we will hear all opinions.

Refresher reference:

U.S. Constitution - Amendment II:
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 470
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Posted: 2/5/2015 8:05:15 PM

Posted by RobAustralia:
"The nut jobs at the NRA misinform people about Hitler disarming the citizens

They most certainly do... in utterly dishonest ways... you see... when Hitler got his hands on the gun laws... do you know what he did...? He eliminated all restrictions on rifles, shotguns and ammunition... lowered the legal ownership age by 2 years... extended handgun permits from 1 year to 3 years... and exempted thousands of people gun restrictions...

In other words... he gutted Germany's gun control laws... He gave Germans greater access to more guns than they had ever had before... and we can see how much good that did for "defense against tyranny"...

Maybe you'll understand that point better... if I present it in "anti-gun control" logic...

*WARNING: contains "anti-gun control logic". May cause headaches, nausea or uncontrollable laughter in some individuals*

Since 1945... Germany has had some of the strictest gun control laws in the world... and there hasn't been even one "Hitler the Second"...
 raxarsr
Joined: 7/10/2008
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Posted: 2/6/2015 5:17:43 AM
" this year will go down in history. for the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."



.........adolf hitler, 1935
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 472
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Posted: 2/6/2015 5:40:17 AM

WARNING: contains "anti-gun control logic". May cause headaches, nausea or uncontrollable laughter in some individuals
*WARNING*contains liberal interpretation and revisions...He gave NAZIS greater access to gun ownership...and deprived everyone else the right to own guns...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 473
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Posted: 2/6/2015 6:15:01 AM
In an interesting leap of non-logic, those gun advocates often site Hitler "gun control" when attempting to bring "logic" and "facts" to the debate. This is their fatal flaw. Because their argument is based on pure emotion and never get a single fact or piece of logic correct. A couple of cases in point:


" this year will go down in history. for the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
.........adolf hitler, 1935


What Hiltler's gun control law did was to enable everyone but Jews to arm themselves:


University of Chicago law professor Bernard Harcourt explored this myth in depth in a 2004 article published in the Fordham Law Review. As it turns out, the Weimar Republic, the German government that immediately preceded Hitler’s, actually had tougher gun laws than the Nazi regime. After its defeat in World War I, and agreeing to the harsh surrender terms laid out in the Treaty of Versailles, the German legislature in 1919 passed a law that effectively banned all private firearm possession, leading the government to confiscate guns already in circulation. In 1928, the Reichstag relaxed the regulation a bit, but put in place a strict registration regime that required citizens to acquire separate permits to own guns, sell them or carry them.

1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide)

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

What about Franklins comment that pro gun advocates often use incorrectly?


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

Let's see what Franklin's quote actually means:


According to Wittes, the words appear in a letter widely presumed to be written by Franklin in 1755 on behalf of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the colonial governor. “The letter was a salvo in a power struggle between the governor and the assembly over funding for security on the frontier, one in which the assembly wished to tax the lands of the Penn family,” he explains.

The letter wasn’t about liberty but about taxes and the ability to “raise money for defense against French and Indian attacks. The governor kept vetoing the assembly’s efforts at the behest of the family, which had appointed him.”

Indeed, if you look at the text surrounding the famous quote, it’s pretty clearly about money: “Our assemblies have of late had so many supply bill, and of such different kinds, rejected, on various pretences,” wrote Franklin.

There’s not much on liberty, as we understand the concept, in the entire letter.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/14/how-the-world-butchered-benjamin-franklins-quote-on-liberty-vs-security/

What Franklin wrote about was not guns, a regulated militia, or freedom....it was about money...which is what the pro gun lobby is all about...why...because America is the largest weapon supplier in the world....it's about money not freedom...

I am not even going to dignify the "conspiracy" of disarming all of America through gun control and regulation with any other comment than:


What a maroon

B. Bunny

 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
Msg: 474
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:04:09 PM

bigbadnirish:
I am not even going to dignify the "conspiracy" of disarming all of America through gun control and regulation with any other comment than:


What a maroon

B. Bunny


Let see what Sen. Feinstein had to say about the matter, when see appeared on 60 Minutes.........


"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban, picking up every one of them....Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in. I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffI-tWh37UY
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 475
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:47:31 PM

Let see what Sen. Feinstein had to say about the matter, when see appeared on 60 Minutes.........


So one person makes a conspiracy? Now if Congress was solely c0mprised of the 26 parents of the New Town victims then you might have a point.
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