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 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 801
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Statists love it when the government has lots of guns...yet only when THEIR party is in charge.
They fail to see the genius of our Founding Fathers and the timelessness of the Second Amendment.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 802
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Posted: 2/24/2015 6:53:24 PM

Statists love it when the government has lots of guns...yet only when THEIR party is in charge.


How to rationalize any rules 1o1.

Just exaggerate the sh*t out of it, until it scares the old people.





They fail to see the genius of our Founding Fathers and the timelessness of the Second Amendment.


You either fail to see the results of 1700's thinking in 2015 or you are trying way to hard.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 803
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:12:55 PM

Posted by HFX_RGB (aka: FrankNStein902, FrankNFurter, and Aristotle_Amadopolis):
"You either fail to see the results of 1700's thinking in 2015 or you are trying way to hard."

It is amusing how liberal gungrabbers have now convinced themselves they are far smarter than our Founding Fathers George Washington, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, James Madison, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and others...to decide what is best for OUR country.
 Olwhatzhisname
Joined: 11/18/2014
Msg: 804
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:20:46 PM
CharlesEdm:

Nope, I am saying that people who make the claim, that with gun laws only the criminals would have guns, is about as stupid of a statement that one can make.


???? People who legally carry guns, like the Pizza gal, don't commit crimes with those guns. They obey the 30,000+ gun laws on the books.

Those 30,000+ gun laws that restrict everybody(except criminals) have no effect on criminals. 30,000+ gun laws on the books aren't stopping them from owning/carrying/buying/using a gun, despite those 30,000+ laws that say otherwise....unless you are hinting at gun confiscation.

But continue to blather on about a paranoia-induced talking point that is supported by no hard facts, & show others your lack of concern for your lawful neighbor, while billboarding your undying concern/support of criminals & your effort to establish additional safety features for criminals which will enhance the performance of their criminal activity.....if you are hinting at gun confiscation.

CharlesEdm:

Also shows a complete disregard for the 1000's of innocent people that get killed annually because of those weak gun laws.


We are confused.... do you mean the 1000's of innocent people that get killed annually by these criminals because those criminals dont obey gun laws.................... or is it the 1000's of criminals that get killed annually by these innocent people who, after being targeted as victims of criminals, otherwise would become potential fatalities , if they were not able to defend themselves legally with a firearm???? Which is it??? Is it that you are hinting at gun confiscation?

CharlesEdm:

You either fail to see the results of 1700's thinking in 2015 or you are trying way to hard.


OK thanks for the clarification.You admit its about gun confiscation then, despite what Joe sez otherwise. Good to know, but see, we already knew that, despite 20+ pages of lying & deception.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 805
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:26:22 PM

Posted by HFX_RGB (aka: FrankNStein902, FrankNFurter, and Aristotle_Amadopolis):


Posted by some who is not adult enough to debate someone without childish insults.




It is amusing how liberal gungrabbers have now convinced themselves they are far smarter than our Founding Fathers George Washington, Samuel Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, James Madison, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and others...to decide what is best for OUR country.


That post was "Three-Fifths" ironic and rather telling.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 806
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:32:06 PM

But continue to blather on about a paranoia-induced talking point that is supported by no hard facts, & show others your lack of concern for your lawful neighbor, while billboarding your undying concern/support of criminals & your effort to establish additional safety features for criminals which will enhance the performance of their criminal activity.


You really need to calm down, no need to get all upset now.

No one is going to touch your guns, take a breath it will all be ok.




OK thanks for the clarification.You admit its about gun confiscation then, despite what Joe sez otherwise. Good to know, but see, we already knew that, despite 20+ pages of lying & deception.


Yes the liberals are coming for your guns and when they get enough bullets, they are going to kill the baby jesus, but I have said too much.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 807
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:47:08 PM

???? People who legally carry guns, like the Pizza gal, don't commit crimes with those guns. They obey the 30,000+ gun laws on the books.

Those 30,000+ gun laws that restrict everybody(except criminals) have no effect on criminals. 30,000+ gun laws on the books aren't stopping them from owning/carrying/buying/using a gun, despite those 30,000+ laws that say otherwise.

Oh, you can type "30,000+ gun laws" until the cows come home, but that does not make the claim remotely accurate or make the number of laws a relevant measure of the efficacy of US gun regulations. Exaggerating to this extent just makes your argument, like, a gazillion times worse...
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 808
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Posted: 2/24/2015 7:55:03 PM

I think Joe actually loves guns.

Joe has never said he hates guns either...

Joe's all-time favourite battle rifle is the FAL... beats the sh!t out of anything else he has ever carried...

Joe is also firmly committed to strong gun control measures... because the numbers don't lie... see msg 403... in this thread...

And... here's the really good part... He doesn't have to make up fake quotes... or fake historical claims... or distort facts... or whip up hysteria with red herrings... or lunatic conspiracy claims... to make his point(s)...

It sure would be nice if the "anti-gun control" crowd could say the same thing... Then we might actually have a real... and honest... discussion...

He wishes his own gun could match the Nambu's rate of fire, but that's what smoking does to a guy.(cough, cough )

You're still a fvcking loon...

OK thanks for the clarification.You admit its about gun confiscation then, despite what Joe sez otherwise. Good to know, but see, we already knew that, despite 20+ pages of lying & deception.

The shape-shifting, reptiloid aliens made him do it... Jesus... Is it a full moon...?


What a maroon

B.Bunny
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 809
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Posted: 2/24/2015 8:34:40 PM

Posted by _MungoJoe_:
"...Joe has never said he hates guns either...
Joe's all-time favourite battle rifle is the FAL... beats the sh!t out of anything else he has ever carried..."

Such an "enthusiast" that he is not aware there is a vast difference between a clip and a magazine for firearms.

 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 810
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Posted: 2/25/2015 8:02:55 AM
Reader comment of the day : " Chris 18 hours ago
After years of the liberal-progressive Democrats shouting from the rooftops that shootings like this don't happen in Europe as Europe doesn't allow guns, guess the truth comes out. There are guns in Europe, multiple killings happen in a single incident in Europe, and according to the report, it was a person doing the shooting (liberal mantra has been for decades guns kill people). Another set of lies exposed as this was reported by reporters in Europe, not America's propagandist MSM. George Soros is not happy! "

In response to Czech man shooting up a restaurant and killing 8 people plus himself.
http://news.yahoo.com/nine-killed-czech-restaurant-shooting-tv-144520792.html
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 811
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Posted: 2/25/2015 8:55:03 AM
^^^

After years of the liberal-progressive Democrats shouting from the rooftops that shootings like this don't happen in Europe as Europe doesn't allow guns, guess the truth comes out. There are guns in Europe, multiple killings happen in a single incident in Europe, and according to the report, it was a person doing the shooting (liberal mantra has been for decades guns kill people).


Are you saying he didn't use a gun to kill the people? And who has said "shootings like this don't happen in Europe"?
They still happen, but they're rare. Note too that it wasn't a crazed criminal doing the shooting - the type everyone needs gunz to defend themselves against.
It was licenced gun owner with no criminal record.



A gunman has opened fire at a restaurant in the Czech Republic, killing eight people before shooting himself dead, officials say.
Police described it as the worst mass shooting incident on record.
Such shootings are rare in the country,
says the BBC's Rob Cameron in Prague, but with hunting a popular hobby many people in rural areas own weapons.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31608932



A "crazy murderer" walked into a restaurant Tuesday in the eastern Czech Republic, killing eight people before he took his own life, authorities said.
The result was one of the Czech Republic's deadliest mass murders in about 40 years.
"We have never seen anything like this before," said Tomas Tuhy, the head of the Czech Republic's national police. "This is a tragedy."
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/24/europe/czech-shooting/



PRAGUE, Czech Republic – Hundreds of residents of a small town in southeastern Czech Republic gathered Wednesday to honour the victims of the worst shooting attack in the country’s history.
Braving rain, they lit candles in front of the Druzba, or “Friendship,” restaurant in Uhersky Brod a day after a gunman opened fire during lunchtime, killing eight and seriously wounding a woman before he fatally shot himself.
Police identified the gunman as a 63-year-old local man who had no criminal record and had a gun license.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1849229/czech-town-honours-victims-killed-in-restaurant-mass-shooting/


See ^^^ rare & shocking. The worst shooting incident in the country's history.

Meanwhile, in the US... there have been 30 mass shootings since the start of the year, with 51 people killed, and 90 wounded.

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 812
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Posted: 2/25/2015 9:02:17 AM

Meanwhile, in the US... there have been 30 mass shootings since the start of the year, with 51 people killed, and 90 wounded.


In related news, so far this year more people have been killed on America soil by toddlers with guns than by terrorists.


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“Where there are more guns, more women die”: A Harvard public health expert breaks down the data on firearms and women’s safety
Tuesday, Feb 24, 2015 12:06 PM AST

Dr. Deborah Azrael explains what decades of research can tell us about guns, women and myths of self-defense


This isn’t the first time a pro-gun lawmaker has argued that guns make women safer, despite consistent evidence showing a deadly correlation between firearms and violence against women.

Women in the United States are 11 times more likely to be murdered with guns than women in other high-income countries. The presence of a firearm during a domestic violence incident increases the likelihood of a homicide by 500 percent.

Guns are also regularly used in non-fatal incidents of domestic violence, with researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health concluding in a study from 2000 that “hostile gun displays against family members may be more common than gun use in self-defense, and that hostile gun displays are often acts of domestic violence directed against women.”


Read more at:

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/%E2%80%9Cwhere_there_are_more_guns_more_women_die%E2%80%9D_a_harvard_public_health_expert_breaks_down_the_data_on_firearms_and_womens_safety/?source=newsletter
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
Msg: 813
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Posted: 2/25/2015 9:42:44 AM
"so far this year more people have been killed on America soil by toddlers with guns than by terrorists."

Either we are doing a great job of thwarting terrorists , or we have over-aggressive toddlers.
Which is it?
 Countryheart1967
Joined: 5/19/2014
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:41:24 AM

the presence of a firearm during domestic violence incident increases the likelihood of a homicide by 500%


There is absolutely no way to determine that. :/

By that calculation just about every case in my area (unfortunaly we have a lot) would end in a homicide because almost every single house has at least one firearm in it.

I don't even know anybody in RL that doesn't own one.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 815
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:00:55 AM

Meanwhile, in the US... there have been 30 mass shootings since the start of the year, with 51 people killed, and 90 wounded.
And? you can post numbers and stats all day but they don't mean squat unless there is info about whether or not the perpetrators had legal firearms....see we already have gun control laws if you are posting stuff about criminals using guns, unless the guns they are using are owned legally by them then its a moot point
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 816
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:16:08 AM

And? you can post numbers and stats all day but they don't mean squat unless there is info about whether or not the perpetrators had legal firearms....see we already have gun control laws if you are posting stuff about criminals using guns, unless the guns they are using are owned legally by them then its a moot point.

Does the term "straw purchase" mean anything to you?


PS: Geez, HFX... ever heard of tinyurl.com? Now we have to break out the bifocals or "pan and scan" in order to read this whole messed up page...
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 817
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:18:02 AM

There is absolutely no way to determine that.


http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/NACJD/NCVS/

No need to thank me.


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PS: Geez, HFX... ever heard of tinyurl.com? Now we have to break out the bifocals or "pan and scan" in order to read this whole messed up page...


Not messed up on my page.
 StarClassic
Joined: 9/29/2014
Msg: 818
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Posted: 2/25/2015 2:08:52 PM

Such an "enthusiast" that he is not aware there is a vast difference between a clip and a magazine for firearms.


That (they), is what is commonly referred to as a Fudd.
So long as their SXS shotgun is safe, they could care less whether you and I are allowed an AR15.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for someone to explain the intrinsic difference between a Browning sporting BAR and an AR15/AR10.
 StarClassic
Joined: 9/29/2014
Msg: 819
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Posted: 2/25/2015 2:11:20 PM

Does the term "straw purchase" mean anything to you?


Straw Purchase makes it an illegally obtained gun. In other words, it's an illegal gun owned by a criminal.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 820
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Posted: 2/25/2015 2:16:04 PM

Such an "enthusiast" that he is not aware there is a vast difference between a clip and a magazine for firearms.

Such an "intellect"... that he can't even comprehend a dictionary entry...

Reader comment of the day : " Chris 18 hours ago

Now you're posting dumb-as-a-stump "reader comments"... as if it were news...??? You really are a fvcking loon...


"so far this year more people have been killed on America soil by toddlers with guns than by terrorists."


Either we are doing a great job of thwarting terrorists , or we have over-aggressive toddlers.
Which is it?

Option 3... the gun-nutters are too fvcking stupid to keep loaded weapons out of the reach of toddlers... because the 2nd Amendment doesn't say they have to... and making them do it is "infringing their rights"...
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
Msg: 821
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Posted: 2/25/2015 3:24:07 PM

Police described it as the worst mass shooting incident on record.


Police described it as the worst mass shooting incident on record.
Such shootings are rare in the country,


PRAGUE, Czech Republic – Hundreds of residents of a small town in southeastern Czech Republic gathered Wednesday to honour the victims of the worst shooting attack in the country’s history.


See ^^^ rare & shocking. The worst shooting incident in the country's history.


I guess they don't count or keep records of Government or Partisan Groups & the Massacres they committed......
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 822
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Posted: 2/25/2015 3:51:22 PM

Straw Purchase makes it an illegally obtained gun. In other words, it's an illegal gun owned by a criminal.

That isn't necessarily true because straw purchase laws vary by state. Straw purchasing can often merely be buying a gift for someone-- someone who can also legally buy a gun. You miss the larger point that firearms can be legally acquired originally and STILL end up in a trafficker's or violent criminal's hands a bit too easily.

There was actually a Supreme Court case last year where a person was in violation of a straw purchase law precisely because the person did give a firearm as a gift to someone else. That person appealed all the way up to the SCOTUS. In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled that the person was indeed on the hook for being in violation of his state's law on straw purchases. If it were up to the *ahem* "NRA friendly" justices, the laws that intend to clamp down on straw purchasing would have been rendered largely ineffective.

This is precisely the sort of measure against weapons trafficking that I am on board with, and the NRA's vehement opposition to these common sense measures just makes me roll my eyes...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 823
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Posted: 2/25/2015 5:46:26 PM
^^^ I should revise some of what I said above-- technically, a straw purchase IS a fraudulent transaction according to a federal (not state) law enacted in 1968. In the case of Abramski v. US, the buyer claimed that he was the final owner, even though it was a gift to another person who was otherwise legal to buy the same firearm (although at a higher price.) I would be open to hashing out the ruling and ramifications of Abramski v. US. It seems like a pivotal one on the issue...
 StarClassic
Joined: 9/29/2014
Msg: 824
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Posted: 2/26/2015 6:33:48 AM
flyguy. From what little I found with a brief search is.
There were two things that hung Abramski. First, he failed to prove lack of illegal Intent. He also failed to prove that the gun was in fact Intended as a gift. Whether or not his uncle could legally posses the gun is a moot point in this case. The fact that Abramski gave false statement on the 4473 is The case.
The idea that a charge can be brought, and convicted, solely on intent without focus on final disposition gives me pause to doubt the prosecutor as well as SCOTUS and their perceived interpretation of the law.

Now. Just in the realm of hypothetical.
Had Abramski's uncle returned the purchase price of the gun to him then the gun was not in fact a gift. The purchase was indeed a straw purchase and open to prosecution as a federal felony.
Again, purely hypothetical, as I found nothing pertaining to whether monies changed hands.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 825
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Posted: 2/26/2015 7:40:12 AM
The uncle's ability to legally acquire the firearm was not moot from Abramski's perspective; it was quite central to his case! But the central point is this, from what I understand: Abramski argued that the burden of legality of sale falls on the straw purchaser-- he knew the final owner was legal-- and not the dealer who has access to large background database. That is why Abramski argued that his "white lie" was immaterial to the final outcome of the transaction.

Had the Court ruled in his favor, it would have set a precedent that would have virtually gutted the anti- straw purchase law. From what I can tell, I (and the Court majority) look at this from the point of legal precedence on a major weapons trafficking law, while the NRA looks at it personally from Abramski's perspective-- "Heck, he was just trying to save his dear uncle a few hundred bucks on a fine pistol... come on!"
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