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 lyingcheat
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some do this with "intellectualism", people such as lying cheat who cannot feel good about themselves without using sneering, sarcastic putdowns to make themselves feel 'smarter' than others..although how 'successful one in is life to spend many hours per day on POF forums is an open question.."religious" people do it by feeling"Better', more "spiritual" than others who do not share their beliefs..sad really when people feel the only way to 'elevate' themselves or pump up their self-esteem or ego is by denigrating others



and 1000 years from now the faux-intellectuals will be patting themselves on the back..and mumbling to themselves, because they are all alone in a corner. drooling.."aren't I so smart? smarter than everyone!"


momsaysirock said, rather denigratingly. [/hypocrisy]
 thompson1919
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Posted: 2/14/2015 3:34:12 AM

Only unusual circumstances can change this, primarily the compulsion of captivity or any other cause that makes it impossible to mate within the same species. But then Nature begins to resist this with all possible means, and her most visible protest consists either in refusing further capacity for propagation to **stards or in limiting the fertility of later offspring; in most cases, however, she takes away the power of resistance to disease or hostile attacks.


Right here he says this:
talking about creationism and Darwinism. He said they were impossible and animals of a certain kind can change only so much.


When you talk to a modern christian about evolution from that point on in chapter 11 they sound like hitler in my opinion.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 2/14/2015 5:31:30 AM

When you talk to a modern christian about evolution from that point on in chapter 11 they sound like hitler in my opinion.

First - not all Christians are creationists. Don't conflate.
Second - creationists DENY evolution, period. Hitler just didn't understand it.
Third - even the example you gave clearly shows that Hitler DID believe in evolution, even if his understanding of it was seriously out to lunch - which is exactly opposite to what creationists believe.

To simplify, Hitler's thesis is that evolution DID exist, and that the Aryans - being the top of the evolutionary ladder - would only be weakened by interbreeding with the lesser races. That is the basis for the entire freaking chapter.

Not the same or even similar in any way, shape or form.
 thompson1919
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:11:01 AM

First - not all Christians are creationists. Don't conflate.


True. Yet every creationists is christian.


Second - creationists DENY evolution, period. Hitler just didn't understand it.


In his not understanding he refuted it. Went on to explain how it was impossible.


Third - even the example you gave clearly shows that Hitler DID believe in evolution, even if his understanding of it was seriously out to lunch - which is exactly opposite to what creationists believe.


Why would someone refute what they believe in? Not to mention you are sounding like a young earth creationist creatard. Evolution isn't something you can believe in. It's something that you accept due to the overwhelming evidence.



To simplify, Hitler's thesis is that evolution DID exist, and that the Aryans - being the top of the evolutionary ladder - would only be weakened by interbreeding with the lesser races. That is the basis for the entire freaking chapter.


That's where he says he believes in a certain amount of change within a kind. Like the difference in macro and micro evolution.
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:37:47 AM
Angry, armed and white: The typical profile of America’s most violent extremists
Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet
14 Feb 2015 at 00:01 ET


...“There’s no question the jihadist threat is a tremendous one,” SPLC wrote. “But that is not the only terrorist threat facing Americans today.

A large number of independent studies have agreed that since the 9/11 mass murder, more people have been killed in America by non-Islamic domestic terrorists than jihadists.”

SPLC found that “almost half of the attacks during the period apparently were motivated by the ideology of the antigovernment ‘Patriot’ movement, including ‘sovereign citizens,’ whose movement has been described by the FBI as ‘domestic terrorist.’” The other half were from people with “ideologies of hate, ranging from white supremacy to misogyny to radical Islamism.”...


Read more at:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/angry-armed-and-white-the-typical-profile-of-americas-most-violent-extremists/#.VN7oFA_O8QY.reddit
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 2/14/2015 6:53:59 AM

In his not understanding he refuted it.

I don't understand black holes or quantum mechanics. That doesn't mean I "refute" it - it just means any explanation I give will probably make Stephen Hawking giggle like a schoolgirl.

Went on to explain how it was impossible.

Re-read what he said again. He said certain TYPE of evolution were impossible, because of species being too dissimilar. Which is, in fact, generally correct - you can't bred a dog with a cat. This would be part of the out to lunch understanding. Why would he spend so much time explaining how evolution worked, if he did not BELIEVE it worked?

Why would someone refute what they believe in?

He didn't. He just misunderstood how it works, and screwed it up. His whole basis for believing in the superiority of the Aryan race was based on evolution.

Not to mention you are sounding like a young earth creationist creatard.

I was explaining HITLER'S beliefs, not my own. Please re-read.

Evolution isn't something you can believe in. It's something that you accept due to the overwhelming evidence.

Personally, I believe in it BECAUSE of overwhelming evidence.

That's where he says he believes in a certain amount of change within a kind. Like the difference in macro and micro evolution.

Which he would not have said at all if he did not believe in evolution. Thank you for conceding my point.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 2/14/2015 7:23:42 AM
All this here talk about creationisn or evolution. Darwin was a bit of a geezer eh? Have any on here heard of the fabian society? Most big shots in the labour party are/were fabians. They in their early days pre national socialist germany believed the poor and infirm should be bred out of existence. In fact george bernard shaw had a solution for this.


"Such talk repels us now, but in the prewar era it was the common sense of the age. Most alarming, many of its leading advocates were found among the luminaries of the Fabian and socialist left, men and women revered to this day. Thus George Bernard Shaw could insist that "the only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man", even suggesting, in a phrase that chills the blood, that defectives be dealt with by means of a "lethal chamber".

Such thinking was not alien to the great Liberal titan and mastermind of the welfare state, William Beveridge, who argued that those with "general defects" should be denied not only the vote, but "civil freedom and fatherhood". Indeed, a desire to limit the numbers of the inferior was written into modern notions of birth control from the start. That great pioneer of contraception, Marie Stopes – honoured with a postage stamp in 2008 – was a hardline eugenicist, determined that the "hordes of defectives" be reduced in number, thereby placing less of a burden on "the fit". Stopes later disinherited her son because he had married a short-sighted woman, thereby risking a less-than-perfect grandchild.

Yet what looks kooky or sinister in 2012 struck the prewar British left as solid and sensible. Harold Laski, stellar LSE professor, co-founder of the Left Book Club and one-time chairman of the Labour party, cautioned that: "The time is surely coming … when society will look upon the production of a weakling as a crime against itself." Meanwhile, JBS Haldane, admired scientist and socialist, warned that: "Civilisation stands in real danger from over-production of 'undermen'." That's Untermenschen in German.

I'm afraid even the Manchester Guardian was not immune. When a parliamentary report in 1934 backed voluntary sterilisation of the unfit, a Guardian editorial offered warm support, endorsing the sterilisation campaign "the eugenists soundly urge". If it's any comfort, the New Statesman was in the same camp.

According to Dennis Sewell, whose book The Political Gene charts the impact of Darwinian ideas on politics, the eugenics movement's definition of "unfit" was not limited to the physically or mentally impaired. It held, he writes, "that most of the behavioural traits that led to poverty were inherited. In short, that the poor were genetically inferior to the educated middle class." It was not poverty that had to be reduced or even eliminated: it was the poor.

Hence the enthusiasm of John Maynard Keynes, director of the Eugenics Society from 1937 to 1944, for contraception, essential because the working class was too "drunken and ignorant" to keep its numbers down.

We could respond to all this the way we react when reading of Churchill's dismissal of Gandhi as a "half-naked fakir" or indeed of his own attraction to eugenics, by saying it was all a long time ago, when different norms applied. That is a common response when today's left-liberals are confronted by the eugenicist record of their forebears, reacting as if it were all an accident of time, a slip-up by creatures of their era who should not be judged by today's standards.

Except this was no accident. The Fabians, Sidney and Beatrice Webb and their ilk were not attracted to eugenics because they briefly forgot their leftwing principles. The harder truth is that they were drawn to eugenics for what were then good, leftwing reasons."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/17/eugenics-skeleton-rattles-loudest-closet-left

Amazing what is on this t'interweb eh?

Toodle pip
 thompson1919
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:18:02 AM

you can't bred a dog with a cat


Yet they both come from a common ancestor that climbs trees and likes to hangout with apes.


change within a kind


Yet that's as far as it goes he denies that one kind can go to another kind after a very long time. That's what modern day creationists are saying like ken ham.


Which he would not have said at all if he did not believe in evolution. Thank you for conceding my point.


All that proves is he understood the idea. He flat out denied it as a possibility. Every living thing on the planet related directly? That would have destroyed the human race according to him. He burnt darwin and evolution books but not bibles. Explain that?
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:28:25 AM

But please tell me - where, in all of that drivel, is there ANYTHING that even REMOTELY resembles Christian thinking?


Here you go.
From that chapter you linked to - http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v1c11.htm


The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following:
(a) Lowering of the level of the higher race;
(b) Physical and intellectual regression and hence the ......beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness.

To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator.

[snip]

Concerning the moral value of Jewish religious instruction, there are today... exhaustive studies which make this kind of religion (Judaism) seem positively monstrous according to Aryan conceptions.
His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine.
Of course, the latter (Christ) made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took to the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity...
In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties.


The usual response to this ^^^ type of reference tends to be an attempt to insert the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy into the discussion. But surely... surely? With an "honours degree in History & Political Science", you'll know better .

Elsewhere in Mein Kampf Hitler says -


Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v1c2.htm

What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.
http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v1c8.htm


I dunno about you, but this ^^^ doesn't sound to me like the kind of thing a supporter of evolution would say, who was maybe counting on evolution to sort things out. It sounds more like the kind of thing someone might say if they thought they were on a mission from god.


But the fact is, Adolf wasn't exactly a good Catholic, but he knew his goals and the goals of the established (Catholic) church were not entirely incompatible. Established Catholicism agreed, hence the early non-interference treaties - with both local Catholic authorities and the Vatican.
Symbols are important, and it's a fact Hitler used religious mottos - the belt buckles used by all Wehrmacht soldiers (God With Us) are a well known example.

I find discussions of Hitler's religious views tedious partly because, on the one hand, it's obvious he was an ideologue in competition with the church, and on the other hand because he, as Mr. Fascism, distrusted all intellectuals and critical thinkers - including atheists.

The only worthwhile point about Hitlers relationship to the church is the fact that the Catholic church (apart from a few individuals - who got silenced) did not condemn Hitler, or his activities. This fact pretty comprehensively demolishes the often heard claim that only god-given holy sacred religion is a reliable source of morality, or even the idea that the church/religion is a worthwhile source of knowledge as to what might be good, and what might be evil.
Unless one is able to acknowledge that actually the church did communicate very clearly its position on good and evil, ie; anything that supports the church is good, anything that threatens the church is evil.
Hitler did not threaten the church - therefore they had no issue with him.



Re-read what he said again. He said certain TYPE of evolution were impossible, because of species being too dissimilar.


Can you quote the passage where he says that? As far as I know Hitler does not refer to biological "evolution" at all in Mein Kampf other than to reject it completely, so I'd be interested to see the passage you've found where he refers to it positively, albeit in a qualified way. Thanks.

Hitler was no Darwinist - he had Darwins books banned - if anything he was some kind of creationist. All that talk about different 'kinds' of species and the impossibility of new 'kinds' emerging because of the "iron Law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind."

This is ^^^ a rejection of evolution. The creationist version of this argument is seen in their insistence that only 'micro' evolution is seen (or possible) - that is development within kinds. Never 'macro' evolution, which is (according to creationists) what gives rise to 'new' species. They are wrong of course, and so was Adolf.



His whole basis for believing in the superiority of the Aryan race was based on evolution.


I disagree. As I said, he does not mention evolution as far as I know, other than to refer (once) to 'cultural evolution' which progresses (according to him) via technology (the first invention) - not through biology or any biological process. In tandem with this 'point' he explicitly rejects the concept of "higher evolution of living organisms" being applicable to 'mankind' (Aryan mankind at least) because it can be attributed entirely to their cleverness - they 'invented' things and developed culture.
He contrasts this process, again explicitly, with 'animals' who operate on an 'instinctual' level.
http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v2c4.htm

One gets the distinct impression that he wouldn't have liked the idea - which is at the very heart of evolution - that we too are animals, and that we all share a common ancestor.

The (alleged) basis for the superiority of the Aryans was buried in the mists of time - it had always been so - and times when it wasn't was because they didn't pay enough attention to 'blood purity' or some such horseshit.
Can you point to the passage where he says, or there's some implication, that "His whole basis for believing in the superiority of the Aryan race was based on evolution"? Thanks.
 thompson1919
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Posted: 2/14/2015 8:33:56 AM

I dunno about you, but this ^^^ doesn't sound to me like the kind of thing a supporter of evolution would say, who was maybe counting on evolution to sort things out. It sounds more like the kind of thing someone might say if they thought they were on a mission from god.


Thank you for actually reading chapter 2. Your comprehension is awesome. It's exactly the way I took it and this guy came at me like I never read it.lol
 calguy14
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Posted: 2/14/2015 9:33:42 AM
The church openly dissenting against Hitler?Hitler had thousands either hanged or sent to the spring loaded guillotine (for speed).Thread on this at axis Beheadings in the Third Reich is more than 350 pages long.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:07:47 AM
^^He sounds like General Patton comparing Democrats & Republicans to the Nazi party!
 DameWrite
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Posted: 2/14/2015 10:30:06 PM
Obama needs a PRAYER breakfast to remind/inform everyone ... Same shit, different pile?

(some of us already get it).
 HondoGal
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Posted: 2/14/2015 11:45:30 PM
No dame, you don’t get it. You operate out of the Kumbaya thought process; which has no meaning in reality.

Obama seeks to validate the abhorrent actions of Muslims.

Obama was raised a Muslim.

Throughout Obama’s adult life he attended a church who praised the murderous acts of Muslims and also of those who Dammed America.

Obama is a turncoat; his recent commentary at the “Prayer Breakfast” is no surprise.


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 calguy14
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:25:15 AM
^^^
And it should be fairly obvious to rational people.

Its almost an exorcism to get lefties to admit to this.
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/15/2015 6:00:26 AM

Obama seeks to validate the abhorrent actions of Muslims.

Obama was raised a Muslim. Throughout Obama’s adult life he attended a church who praised the murderous acts of Muslims and also of those who Dammed America.

Obama is a turncoat; his recent commentary at the “Prayer Breakfast” is no surprise.




So hold on, if Obama was raised a muslim but is also a turncoat, that would mean he is no longer a muslim.


If you are going to go full nutter, you should really think about the derp you post as it is making you look rather simple and very much racist.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/15/2015 7:14:37 AM

Here's an interesting thought experiment (WARNING - sustained thought is required for at least 5 minutes!)...

These are 11 general properties (of 14) identified by Italian semiotician, essayist and philosopher Umberto Eco that define a certain political ideology. It's not necessary that they all be present, or be organised into a coherent system, they are just signals, or markers and Eco's suggestion is that even the presence of one can allow the (complete) ideology to 'coagulate around it'.

I was struck, when reading this list of properties, how many of them have been illustrated and exemplified by posts made in this thread, or in this forum, by a small set of posters from the US who tend to identify as 'conservative'.


The Cult of Tradition
The Cult of Action for Action's Sake
Disagreement Is Treason
Fear of Difference
Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class
Obsession with a Plot
Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy
Contempt for the Weak
Selective Populism
Newspeak
Non-truths & Lying/Spread of Propaganda


I've seen many many posts, as I said above, that illustrate these concepts. Here they are again, in the same order as above, with paraphrases of the kinds of things I've seen posted.

Tradition - A longing for America the way it 'used' to be. Strong and confident, with 'Mom & Apple Pie' and without all these damn immigrants.

Action for Action's Sake - Hesitation shows weakness. Just invade Syria/Afghanistan/Iran/Cambodia/Panama/etc, bomb away, take action.

Disagreement Is Treason - Some 'conservative' US posters label moderates (and even Obama) as a traitor.

Fear of Difference - Illegals are taking over, foreigners don't even speak english... they wanna build mosques!

Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class - Lazy welfare cheats are dragging everyone down.

Obsession with a Plot - Fanatical Muslims in league with leftist liberal marxist communist socialists (including Obama) are trying to bring down the US...

Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy - Moderation is viewed as 'enemy propaganda' and 'support for the enemy'. Conservatives often suggest that the only thing 'the enemy' understands is having the fvck bombed out of them and if you don't like that idea you should just go and join them.

Contempt for the Weak - By working hard, mentally ill homeless people living in depressed parts of the country could improve their lot, but they just choose not to.

Selective Populism - Only 'real patriots' are genuine 'Americans' (which doesn't include the current government) so we need to replace them with strong leaders who will know what to do.

Newspeak - 'Extraordinary rendition', 'enhanced interrogation techniques', 'War on Drugs', 'War on Crime', 'War on Terror' are all examples either of direct newspeak or the reduction of complex issues to simplistic slogans. Winning the War on Drugs/Crime/Terror is good. Losing is bad. It's as simple as that, allegedly.

Non-truths & Lying/Spread of Propaganda - The foreign born Muslim President imposter, Barack Hussein Obama was offering support for terrorists and reciting enemy propaganda at the National Prayer Breakfast.

Even on this page, not far above this post, there's a post that would serve to illustrate a couple of these ^^^ properties well. You only need look back a couple of pages to see all of them illustrated by one conservative poster or another.

Do you recognise yourselves guys?




So what's the actual political ideology these properties (and posting tendencies) characterise?





Ta-Daaaa!

Fascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco

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 funchesf
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Posted: 2/15/2015 8:08:15 AM

are any of you concerned about the presidents comparison? Is it a slap in the face of Christian?
How is this justifiable?


the President was only reminding the American people that "not to long" long time ago in a galaxy "not to far" far away Christians was committing the very same atrocities that Islam is being accused of doing today

that a so call radicalized Islamic terrorist is no different than a so call fundamental Christian since both are simply following religious scripture

that if you believe in the freedom to practice your religion then why complain when others are practicing theirs

that one way the problem can be solved is if the trouble countries form a Republic in which laws of Man can be passed that protects the rights of the Individual and that those laws supercede the laws of God

Jesus said it best...Render therefore to Caesar the things which are Caesar's

but the reality is that anyone that believe in God or push the concept of the existence of God should shoulder some of the responsibility of that which is being done in the name of God
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/15/2015 9:36:46 AM

But WHAT was the purpose of comparing the medieval Christian crusades to ISIS? ISIS is a threat TODAY - we can't really help what happened 900 years ago or even a 100 years ago can we?


To show that people who take the word from some stupid book too far, that there are dangerous consequences and people and no one is immune from it regardless of what sky wizard you pretend exists.





Islamic militants are chopping heads off, burning people alive......burying people alive, selling children as sex slaves, using young boys as suicide bomber's..... killing gays and
Obama responds to this by blaming the medieval Christian crusades? UN-freaking-real.


When you understand he did not blame the christians, he just made an analogy, you will be on your way to understanding how misguided your anger is.
 funchesf
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Posted: 2/15/2015 9:51:44 AM

But WHAT was the purpose of comparing the medieval Christian crusades to ISIS? ISIS is a threat TODAY -


even today aren't Christians waiting on Jesus to come back to began the apocalypse and kill everyone that are of different faith




we can't really help what happened 900 years ago or even a 100 years ago can we?



probably have to ask the Klan that question




Islamic militants are chopping heads off, burning people alive......burying people alive, selling children as sex slaves, using young boys as suicide bomber's..... killing gays and



hummm...no hanging Witches?.....I guess that was just the Christians that did that

but anyway all the President did was remind the people that once upon a time Christians did everything you listed above in the name of God




Obama responds to this by blaming the medieval Christian crusades? UN-freaking-real.



that's because Christians and Muslims worship the same God
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:03:47 AM
What's "unreal" is that people are "outraged" [threatened] by historical facts for whatever reason they are presented. The President noted Christian atrocity in a logical attempt to get people to not frame these "wars" over resources as 21st century crusades since the ones almost a thousand years ago had the blessings of mainstream Christianity whereas 21st century "Islamic" jihad certainly does not have the blessing of mainstream Islam.

Cautious,

Despite the deceitful tripe you appear fond of ingesting you are indeed *FAR* more likely in North America or Europe to be killed by someone that "believes" in and propagates the Christ Myth than the Islamic one. Wanting to classify murderous, hypocritical, and deceitful terrorists as "Islamic Terrorists" is a tool of nefarious division and makes people like Ted Cruz unequivocal enemies of the Republic they deceitfully pretend to be loyal to. Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and even Reagan would beyond the shadow of any rational doubt be disgusted by the unAmerican cow poop today's right purveys. It is extremely sad the unequivocally greatest threats to our Republic today are not hypocritical "muslims" but actually those that claim to be Republicans while they let Teabillies hold Lincoln's party hostage to arguably the most avaricious and deceitfully divisive agenda this country has ever known. Historically I can only think of pre WW II's "America Firsters" having been so bad for what is supposed to be our inclusive, not divisive, Republic.

I'd of probably voted for Romney in '08 if he hadn't have felt compelled to throw any semblance of principal and character in the toilet and flipflop on so many issues to appease the lunatic fringe he felt compelled to in 2012. Not one of the great names I mentioned in the previous paragraph could get elected today. That should deeply alarm anyone that honestly and sincerely claims to be of the party of Lincoln.
 bluemoon24_7
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:43:47 AM
^^ excellent points Double Cabin. But the fanatics fools like Cautious and Hondagal and their ilk that outright lie don't see it as such....chances are, if they're going to be murdered or maimed it will be by a Christian and an American citzen. I can't imagine living my life in such a wall of fear. Pathetic.

And why was there a Natioanl Prayer Breakfast anyway? Church and state....and the separation of the two.
 calguy14
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:52:50 AM
^^^ @DC
Wars over resources?Pakistani militants just murdered 19 Shiites in a massacre.What resources?Read the CSIS transcripts for the recent trial of Essaghaier if you don't understand or simply refuse to acknowledge what their motive is.He stated that Islam is a BULLDOZER.And until the Jordanian pilot died,Muslims didn't have a lot to say.Wake up.They will go along with it just like Germans did with Hitler if they think they can win Your president is simply encouraging them by his weakness.

Vvvv
Guy below likes Islam because it fits with his polyamorous thread.
 funchesf
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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:55:54 AM

Well, according to historians it's not an accurate analogy.


according to one of the Historians and I quote " that by modern standards, atrocities were committed by crusaders," unquote ....

and since the Pope gave the order to go to war...it was done in the name of God...the same as ISIS is doing



You aren't able to accurately assess what was said because of your hatred of religion


seems like you are the one that have a hatred towards religion ....or course you can prove me wrong by saying something good about Islam...tick tock tick tock tick tock



you are religionphobic.


if you were stuck on a Planet in which most of the inhabitants claimed that they talk to, follow or kill in the name of an entity they can't even prove exist ..you'll be a little Phobic too ...
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 250
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/15/2015 11:09:25 AM
Blue--I think it's possible for various sides and factions to talk to each other. And I think it's a good thing when they can. That it works would seem to be demonstrated by the outrage of the TeaPeeps, lol! As an aside, it's amusing to me how much they remind me of deranged Rumpelstiltskins.
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