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 professora
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Educated Muslims-- usually fearful to speak openly--- are embarrassed by our President.

He should live in peace and good health. BUT our next president should be a Christian.

Also our Pres should get his facts straight--- the Crusades were a response.....they were not as he stated.
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/22/2015 7:53:36 PM

@HondoGal
LC cherry picks the same way HFX does.


If that's ^^^ true, and isn't just a dimwitted lie told by an intellectually corrupt wanker who doesn't understand the concept of rational discourse, you should be able - very easily - to prove it.

Here's a definition of 'cherry picking' to help you -

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally. This fallacy is a major problem in public debate.

The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition. A less common type of cherry picking is to gather only fruit that is easy to harvest ignoring quality fruit higher up the tree. This can also give observers a false impression about the quality of fruit on the tree.

Cherry picking can be found in many logical fallacies. For example, the "fallacy of anecdotal evidence" tends to overlook large amounts of data in favor of that known personally, "selective use of evidence" rejects material unfavorable to an argument, while a false dichotomy picks only two options when more are available. Cherry picking can refer to the selection of data or data sets so a study or survey will give desired, predictable results which may be misleading or even completely contrary to actuality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29


It'll be easy for you to prove your claim because all my posts are still available, just click on the 'history' link under the avatar.
So all you need to do now to show I've 'cherry picked' and altered the meaning of a quote is repost something I've quoted - with the alleged 'missing parts' that change or distort the meaning highlighted.
Off you go, there's a lot at stake... well, there's only a lot at stake I guess if you want to think of yourself as an honest, principled, or ethical person, and you of course, may not.
We'll soon see.


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 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 378
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/22/2015 9:26:24 PM
So, ISIS may have 200,000 members, and a US force of 20,000 would have done....what, exactly against overwhelming numbers? With backup from Iraq troops following politically-appointed officers into retreat against ISIS forces?

I guess our troops would have replayed AmEMB, Iran 1979. Assuming the teaparty would want to keep paying for war in Iraq, that is. Oh wait, ISIS wouldn't keep hostages for 500 days.

al-Maliki screwed the pooch by playing politics with the Iraqi Army and settling scores with the Sunnis who now counter him. Saddam also sabotaged the army by putting in favorites, but he did know to keep the battle trained Sunnis in, and not take sides in the Sunni-Shi'a fight but to pit them against each other. Otherwise al Quada or Iran could have knocked him on his ass years ago.

Muslim states won't thrill to attacking radical Muslims any more than Republicans want to be seen chasing anti-government or anti-abortion radicals here. Best thing in the war on ISIS is when Muslim states decide to start launching jets and selling the claim that ISIS ain't Muslim. Calling them Islamic just is following their lead. They want to call themselves Islamic, its a sales tactic. Us calling them that is just justifying to our allies that ISIS is Islamic, fighting for the side of the Islamics. Deny them that, get "Their own kind" against them, and you're a step closer to defeating them.

the Mall of America being a tempting target and a security nightmare isn't news. anyone with sense can see it as such. If it isn't crawling with its version of skymarshals in plainsclothes, I'd be surprised. the Kenyan mall was a target not just for its Western visitors, but its ownership by Israeli Alex Trachtenberg, both the Israelis and the British were hearing chatter.
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 379
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Posted: 2/23/2015 1:14:14 AM
Ah Americans and their creepy military worship...... never fails to come out.
Always seem one goose step away from a 2 bit military dictatorship.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 380
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Posted: 2/23/2015 4:02:52 AM

Exactly!! There are some here in America who want to declare a holy war. They insist the President say we are fighting Islamic terrorists. They don't realize how that plays into the hands of a terrorist's media campaigns like what ISIS propagates. Even the last president was savvy enough to articulate that we aren't at war with Islam. The political right has gone further to the right, and they are reaching towards being dangerously wrong.
Not at all, calling something what it is simply stating a fact...funny to see all of you libs not want to label something that the group in question labels itself but when a domestic terrorist attacks you twist every thing around to make sure to label them far right extremists and Christians..even when there is no evidence of them being either...

why do liberals think that they are in charge of what people label themselves? the Group calls itself Islamic unless you are a member of the group why do you think that you can relabel them?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 381
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Posted: 2/23/2015 5:30:31 AM

There are some here in America who want to declare a holy war. They insist the President say we are fighting Islamic terrorists. They don't realize how that plays into the hands of a terrorist's media campaigns like what ISIS propagates...


It is all about validating their invisible man in the sky theory.
 Olwhatzhisname
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Posted: 2/23/2015 6:19:05 AM

why do liberals think that they are in charge of what people label themselves? the Group calls itself Islamic unless you are a member of the group why do you think that you can relabel them?


Because their grand wizard at 1600 Pa. Ave. wishes it so. They relabel in order to further an agenda. Thats what racists do. ...follow the leader....and label everyone else.

See, if you resist the wizard's wish , the minions might burn something in your front yard.....or saw the heads off of those they label differently.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/23/2015 6:36:43 AM

why do liberals think that they are in charge of what people label themselves?


What do you call this place?
'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'



the Group calls itself Islamic unless you are a member of the group why do you think that you can relabel them?


For the same reason that people commonly refer to the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' as North Korea.
The 'official' name is a propaganda tool.

You seem especially keen, for some reason, that everyone should respect ISIS and spread their propaganda by using the 'correct' name.
Why do you want everyone to 'recite enemy propaganda'?

If you love them so much you should go and join them.




Another jihadist who wants to respect ISIS naming choices.
vvvv


why do liberals think that they are in charge of what people label themselves? the Group calls itself Islamic unless you are a member of the group why do you think that you can relabel them?


Because their grand wizard at 1600 Pa. Ave. wishes it so. They relabel in order to further an agenda. Thats what racists do. ...follow the leader....and label everyone else.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 384
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Posted: 2/23/2015 7:01:07 AM

Why do you want everyone to 'recite enemy propaganda'?
enemy propaganda? are you a member of ISIS? do you know what motivates them? If they don't believe they are acting in the name of Islam why the name choice?
This whole thing reminds me of the name of the Al Gore movie
"An Inconvenient Truth"

All the members of ISIS are Muslim, they are trying to launch a world wide caliphate

Kind of hypocritical of liberals to argue about the name ISIS has given itself while calling the Lords resistance Army a Christian extremist group...
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 385
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Posted: 2/23/2015 7:10:40 AM

All the members of ISIS are Muslim, they are trying to launch a world wide caliphate


In related news, all the members of the KKK are christians.




Kind of hypocritical of liberals to argue about the name ISIS has given itself while calling the Lords resistance Army a Christian extremist group...


So are you saying that the Lords resistance Army is not a christian extremist group?
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/23/2015 7:11:41 AM

Why do you want everyone to 'recite enemy propaganda'?

enemy propaganda?


Indeed.


But why did you ignore the rest of the post? It's just above you.

What do you call this place?
'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'

I bet you call it North Korea hey?
Why do people commonly re-label that place, including you one suspects, yet you seem very keen on respecting the ISIS naming choice?

Do you think they are especially deserving of respect or something? We should we just parrot their propaganda? Is that what you want?
Why do you want everyone to recite enemy propaganda?
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
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Posted: 2/23/2015 8:04:49 AM
because the rest of your post was nonsense...as is your last post

Its not propaganda if it is true, if the people in ISIS are Muslim and they have declared a world wide caliphate then they know better what they believe than you.

what part is it that you have issues with? you don't like the way the interpret the Qur'an? does their interpretation offend you?


Do you think they are especially deserving of respect or something?
nope you are the one that seems to be concerned about respect....why are so reluctant to call them what they are, a radical Islamists...

When you criticize Christians do you do like your cohorts and Bring up the Klan as a Christian group, LRA as a Christian group, White Supremacists as Christian groups?
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 2/23/2015 8:50:58 AM

Its not propaganda if it is true, if the people in ISIS are Muslim and they have declared a world wide caliphate then they know better what they believe than you.

If it's true? You think their claims are legitimate? It's a true claim? They really are the legitimate Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant?
So that's why we should, according to you, respect their choice of name?

Are you a supporter?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 389
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Posted: 2/23/2015 9:28:46 AM
A Muslim is a person who has prayed the Islamic prayer of conversion. I am sure there are many in ISIS who have done so. Then comes the rebuttal: yes, there are Muslims in ISIS, but that does not necessarily make it a Muslim organization. Ok, how then do we define the religious inspiration of any organization that claims to affiliate itself with a particular religion?

Was Germany 1933-1945 not a "Christian nation"?
Is the Army of God not a Christian organization?
Are the Christian Knights of the KKK not a Christian organization?
Are pedifile priests not Catholic?

One cannot say that a religious organization is only one that does good (in one's opinion), and if it does not do good, it is not a religious organization. That is getting squarely into "no true Scotsman" fallacy territory.

To sum up, I would call ISIS an Islamic organization, but it might not be politically expedient for a world leader to say as much, especially when one is trying to build a coalition of countries who identify with Islam.
 cotter
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Posted: 2/23/2015 11:09:41 AM
Message 430 ...
If they don't believe they are acting in the name of Islam why the name choice?
That may be what they want you to think, but none of my Muslim friends act like that.

I think your ilk would like us to believe that ALL Muslims are like that, but it's not gonna work.

I think they're acting in their "flavor" of Islam.

Why does any group use a name? You tell us ... why did the "teabaggers" name themselves after a sexual act?

... they are trying to launch a world wide caliphate
Run, run ... the sky is falling!

Message 435 ...
I would call ISIS an Islamic organization ...
I would say it could be "Islamic"-oriented, just the way many radical "X-tian" organization appear to be jesus-oriented.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 391
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Posted: 2/23/2015 12:29:13 PM
@Lying Cheat #422
Your claim that Columbia attained the numer 13 ranking world wide, and is one of the world's most important centers of learning.

Rated 5 stars based on 5 categories.

Research
Facilities
Internationilization ?
Innovation
Specialist Criteria

As HondoGal noted, it has a reputation for radical thinking.
How do they do with the stuff they can't fluff? Matters that are not subjective?
How about their ranking in hard science? Engineering, things that matter to the economy and defense of the free world?
A paltry 30th, even the University of Toronto surpassed them.
www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2013-14/subject-ranking/subject/engineering-and-IT
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 392
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Posted: 2/23/2015 1:57:36 PM

it might not be politically expedient for a world leader to say as much, especially when one is trying to build a coalition of countries who identify with Islam.


This is such an important point in this discussion. I really don't understand why certain posters refuse to accept that explanation.

So...was it a problem when President Bush said "we are not at war with Islam"? And would they still feel the same way if we were discussing him rather than President Obama? I think they would find it perfectly reasonable. Blinders.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 393
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Posted: 2/23/2015 2:49:05 PM

Its not propaganda if it is true, if the people in ISIS are Muslim and they have declared a world wide caliphate then they know better what they believe than you.

If it's true? You think their claims are legitimate? It's a true claim? They really are the legitimate Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant?
So that's why we should, according to you, respect their choice of name?

Are you a supporter?

At this point... all you are doing is arguing with stupidity... He is never going to get your point... because he doesn't understand what "propaganda" is... or any of the myriad way it works... You're going to have to get him to understand that first...

oh... and good luck with that...

So...was it a problem when President Bush said "we are not at war with Islam"?

No... it wasn't... largely because they all convinced themselves that he added... "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?"... at the end... even though he didn't...

And would they still feel the same way if we were discussing him rather than President Obama?

No... because to them... Bush "didn't really mean it"... but Obama does...

I think they would find it perfectly reasonable.

Of course they would... because they did... but not for Obama... because he is Obama...
 cotter
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Posted: 2/23/2015 4:23:24 PM
Message 438/439 ...

So...was it a problem when President Bush said "we are not at war with Islam"?
No... it wasn't... largely because they all convinced themselves that he added... "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?"... at the end... even though he didn't...
I never got the impression G"W" was serious about that and then my daughter told me what was really going on.

This is when my daughter became an active member of the military and she told me what went on behind the scenes ... the Muslim hate went viral. The despicable demeaning name-calling was encouraged. It stirred up the troops and gave them a reason to go. It was also used for recruitment.

Sure ... they had to be somewhat careful but it was easy to take attendance (in church) ... since everyone who didn't go was an instant target. That's the reason she was warned about not attending church. She had to feign religion. What a sad state of affairs.

That was also the time that my employer called all the nurses and nurse aides in and told us to start snooping through our patients' things ... they were mostly Somalian and southeast Asians. I refused.


And would they still feel the same way if we were discussing him rather than President Obama?

No... because to them... Bush "didn't really mean it"... but Obama does...
Also, even though they knew back then that G"W" really didn't mean it, they'd never admit that now.

They need President Obama to say it so they can justify their "Holy War". Many of them have been itching for this ... and now they feel this is the time to go for it. The next thing that will be on their agenda is to bomb Iran ... in the name of a "Holy War" ... of course.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 395
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Posted: 2/23/2015 5:44:33 PM
none of my Muslim friends act like that."


^^^^^^^ And nobody said your friends who are Muslims acted like Radical Islamic Terrorists. There are the majority of Muslims that are good people, no question, and would never ever do terroristic things. But you can't get away and you can't deny that there are Radical Islamic Terrorists.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 396
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Posted: 2/23/2015 5:54:28 PM

But you can't get away and you can't deny that there are Radical Islamic Terrorists.


Nor can you deny there are Radical christian terrorists and you also can not deny that your chances of dying due to a domestic terrorist is exponentially higher than your chances of dying at the hands ISIS are.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 397
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Posted: 2/23/2015 6:03:04 PM
Sort of true..maybe ISIS isn't a direct threat now but radical islamists are...how many people have been killed by domestic non Muslim terrorists in America in the past 15 years? How many have been killed by Muslim extremists?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 398
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Posted: 2/23/2015 6:19:28 PM

how many people have been killed by domestic non Muslim terrorists in America in the past 15 years?


Those numbers would be hard to find, but for comparison.

In 2013 there where 365 mass shootings of which I think only one was committed by a muslim.

Now keep in mind many of these are unsolved so hard to attribute them to any person or group, but the facts remain, if you are worried about dying you need to clean up your own backyard before you worry about what is happening on the other side of the world.


http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2013
 DameWrite
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Posted: 2/23/2015 9:43:07 PM
I think IS will be concentrating there efforts in "islamic states",=war torn/invaded states; Iraq, Syria, etc. (they don't recognize borders) the next country will probably be Libya since a vacuum was left there as well.

The kids/young adults that they "recruit" from other countries including ours are trying to head over there. Those that can't make it over will try to get a thrill or "escape from?" as well as kudos from IS for committing violent acts in their own countries. They can be stopped with who we have now as they are few and we are many.

Possibly too many of us (and them?) for our liking will get hurt or die from a few violent acts if we don't start looking out for them and helping them get their needs met.

They are not the huge threat that the media puts out there. The "those" and "them" I am referring to are disenfranchised young people who should be thought of as victims of brainwashing from many sources and probably suffered from physical and/or mental abuse or have some kind of mental illness because of who knows what. Chances are they desperately want to do something-anything! with their hurt filled, "boring" or sheltered life.

When the moonies or any other religious group coerced our kids into joining, we rescued them. We should be doing the same for these kids. Maybe we could be rescuing these kids BEFORE they go "radical?"

All it takes is a village to raise a child. We should be concentrating on this instead of leaving them vulnerable to becoming radicalized.

Seek them out and help them find fulfillment in a healthy, creative, adventurous, loving, cool way.

That is what will keep all of us safe.

Bombs, strikes, and more laws won't.
 cotter
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Posted: 2/24/2015 8:34:17 AM


Message 430 ...If they don't believe they are acting in the name of Islam why the name choice?
Message 436 ... That may be what they want you to think, but none of my Muslim friends act like that.

Message 441

... none of my Muslim friends act like that.

^^^^^^^ And nobody said your friends who are Muslims acted like Radical Islamic Terrorists.
That's right, my friends are not "Muslim terrorists".

But you can't get away and you can't deny that there are Radical Islamic Terrorists.
AND there are "radical "X-tian" terrorists ... what's your point?

I don't understand why you feel like you have to "label" terrorists one way or the other. Isn't a "terrorist" a terrorist no matter who they are terrorizing?

Would you be bothered if (for example) "X-tians" were terrorizing "Atheists"? Would those then be "X-tian" terrorists?

Message 445 ...
When the moonies or any other religious group coerced our kids into joining, we rescued them. We should be doing the same for these kids. Maybe we could be rescuing these kids BEFORE they go "radical?"
You will not get several of the people in here to see it that way.

All it takes is a village to raise a child. We should be concentrating on this instead of leaving them vulnerable to becoming radicalized.

Seek them out and help them find fulfillment in a healthy, creative, adventurous, loving, cool way.
I dare you to post that in the "Jobs for ISIS" thread!
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