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 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 26
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but Poochie, mr. o is using it to EXCUSE their actions.

he has no plan or strategy to defeat ISIS.

therefore he does NOT take this threat seriously. and that is a huge problem.

yet, incredibly we see you DEFENDING HIM. Obama's whole presidency doesn't make any sense.

his only good legacy is ordering the SEAL teams to go in and kill OBL. and that's all.

his tax and spend budget is laughable and insane. he hasn't a leg to stand on.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 27
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 7:30:31 AM
tgif111...my concern and that of many of our countrymen is President Barack Hussein Obama does not have his fingertips on the pulse of international diplomacy. He has a terrible habit of supplicating himself (and our nation) to our enemies while consistently alienating those who SHOULD be our best and most reliable allies. He is ostensibly the Commander-In-Chief of our armed forces, yet he can barely keep a handle on his outright hostility towards our military.

American journalist and video reporter James Foley had just been beheaded and President Barack Hussein Obama could barely pull himself away from the golf course to make a statement. He knows how to campaign, he knows how to motivate his base...yet my goodness is he utterly tone-deaf to the sensibilities of normal patriotic Americans. He has since wisely added that, "He should have anticipated the optics" of his actions...yet he has those amateurish blunders time and again. He needs to ratchet-up his sense of gravitas in a big way. He is in the midst of his second term, we should be getting far more accomplishment out of him by now.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 28
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 7:33:21 AM

...my concern and that of many of our countrymen is President Barack Hussein Obama does not have his fingertips on the pulse of international diplomacy. He has a terrible habit of supplicating himself (and our nation) to our enemies while consistently alienating those who SHOULD be our best and most reliable allies. He is ostensibly the Commander-In-Chief of our armed forces, yet he can barely keep a handle on his outright hostility towards our military.


Then feel free to grab your gun and head to the middle east and start shooting or keep chicken hawking.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 29
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 9:12:10 AM
POOCHIE<

we ARE still in a recession.
and as a far left liberal you can believe the government stats if you like.
here's some from the right - the jobs you state are minimum wage jobs but we have actually LOST significant numbers of high paying jobs as well. but the biggest stat is that......

PEOPLE WHO NO LONGER ARE LOOKING FOR JOBS AND HAVE DROPPED OUT OF THE JOB MARKET ARE NOT COUNTED IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE.

so Hussein says we have what?....6.5% unemployment. in REALITY (NOT PERCEPTION) it is DOUBLE that.

if you continue to try to defend this insane bozo i'll have to write you off as being out of touch with any reality or perception of such and no longer answer your ridiculous and absurd posts.

be forewarned.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 30
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 9:34:29 AM
To get one thing out of the way, unemployment figures and the "number" of jobs is misleading according to experts(11.3% real unemployment), but back to the thread topic...........

Obama shocked many when he made that prayer breakfast speech but what's new? He continually says things that make no sense at all. And yes Eric, I have said this before as you did, Obama is still on the campaign trail with all talk and either terrible content like this prayer breakfast speech, or talk that is never put into action. He has not lead.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 31
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 9:49:44 AM

I'm seeing a pattern with Republicans in this forum. They read something and get an entirely different interpretation
Of course its difficult for you to understand when people read the actual text of something and come to conclusions based on context, instead of relying on some web site or something that gives their opinion of what the actual text says..

Obama is Commander and Chief of Moral Equivalence
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 32
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 9:54:57 AM
Conservatives would be wise to continue to publish the TRUE unemployment rate that incorporates those who have exhausted their unemployment benefits (and therefore no longer counted in the total) along with those who are drastically underemployed. A 50 y.o. woman who was an anesthesiologist and is now working three part-time jobs is NOT the sign of a healthy economy. A 55 y.o. man who was the director of marketing and now working as a coffee barista is similarly NOT what we wish to see in our country.

The reason publication of these TRUE numbers now is essential is because one absolutely knows that Liberals will certainly wish to "move the goalposts" when government transitions in the future. The continuing mismanagement by President Barack Hussein Obama increases that likelihood on a monthly basis. The only arrows that he has in his quiver is to become much more pro-business and he will have to take a much bolder stance against radicalized Islamic terror.
 dragonbytes
Joined: 12/25/2014
Msg: 33
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 9:55:37 AM
This thread and others like them mirror the nation.

Obama is on pace to be the President with the most polarized approval ratings in Gallup's polling history, surpassing Bush.

So everyone is nearly 100% divided along party lines. Obama is sticking to his guns, so are Republicans. For me it would be pointless to argue with people with such a polarized viewpoint, but I get it that people keep wanting to make the same points over and over again.

Not really sure what anyone's can do about a lame duck President, the question will become, who is going to run for President next term and who will win? I guess Clinton will run for the Dems, no idea who for the Republicans.

Carry on.
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 34
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 10:01:23 AM
Here's an analysis of the speech by 'The Christian Science Monitor' -
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Buzz/2015/0205/Why-did-Obama-compare-Crusades-to-Islamic-State-at-prayer-breakfast-video

A few exerpts from the CSM article...


Speaking in general, Mr. Obama began by condemning zealots who hijack religion “for their own murderous ends.” He cited the recent massacre at a Pakistani school carried out by the Taliban, the assault on Charlie Hebdo headquarters in Paris perpetrated by radical Islamists, and the terrible murders carried out by the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS or ISIS).
He widened his lens a bit, talking about the killings of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria and religious war in the Central African Republic.

Then the president said this: “And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

So what was Obama thinking when he mentioned Christianity in this way?

First, it’s possible he was just trolling, knowing that Limbaugh et al. are always looking for ways to stimulate anger in their audience. But it’s more likely that he was taking the ecumenical setting of the prayer breakfast to try to reiterate something that’s been a US talking point since the Bush administration: America is not at war with Islam.

It is fighting individuals who use distorted versions of faith as a weapon.

That’s the context of the remark. He leads into it by talking about the way religion can be misused.

“Part of what I want to touch on today is the degree to which we’ve seen the professions of faith used both as an instrument of great good, but also twisted and misused in the name of evil,” the president said.
Then he tries to make clear that it is people who are doing the twisting and misusing here. It is not inherent in religion itself. And he tries to link this thought to Islam in particular.
“We have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but in fact are betraying it,” he said.

Obama then muses on how people of faith can reconcile these matters, the good of religion and the evil of those who misuse it. That’s when the Christianity reference comes in, as a kind of aside to try to establish that it’s not just Muslims who have this problem.



Here's the full speech -
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/02/05/remarks-president-national-prayer-breakfast

And a few (relevant to this thread) exerpts -


Now, over the last few months, we’ve seen a number of challenges -- certainly over the last six years. But part of what I want to touch on today is the degree to which we've seen professions of faith used both as an instrument of great good, but also twisted and misused in the name of evil.

As we speak, around the world, we see faith inspiring people to lift up one another -- to feed the hungry and care for the poor, and comfort the afflicted and make peace where there is strife. We see faith driving us to do right.

But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it. We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.

We see sectarian war in Syria, the murder of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, religious war in the Central African Republic, a rising tide of anti-Semitism and hate crimes in Europe, so often perpetrated in the name of religion.

So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities -- the profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths, operating alongside those who seek to hijack religious for their own murderous ends?

Humanity has been grappling with these questions throughout human history. And lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

So this is not unique to one group or one religion. There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.

Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments. And we should assume humbly that we’re confused and don’t always know what we’re doing and we’re staggering and stumbling towards Him, and have some humility in that process. And that means we have to speak up against those who would misuse His name to justify oppression, or violence, or hatred with that fierce certainty. No God condones terror. No grievance justifies the taking of innocent lives, or the oppression of those who are weaker or fewer in number.

And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends.

And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.

And, finally, let’s remember that if there is one law that we can all be most certain of that seems to bind people of all faiths, and people who are still finding their way towards faith but have a sense of ethics and morality in them -- that one law, that Golden Rule that we should treat one another as we wish to be treated. The Torah says “Love thy neighbor as yourself.” In Islam, there is a Hadith that states: "None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.” The Holy Bible tells us to “put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.” Put on love.

Whatever our beliefs, whatever our traditions, we must seek to be instruments of peace, and bringing light where there is darkness, and sowing love where there is hatred. And this is the loving message of His Holiness, Pope Francis. And like so many people around the world, I’ve been touched by his call to relieve suffering, and to show justice and mercy and compassion to the most vulnerable; to walk with The Lord and ask “Who am I to judge?”

His Holiness expresses that basic law: Treat thy neighbor as yourself.



It's subtle, but he's basically talking about tolerance, humility, and respect and the way that individuals - not religions - should be held accountable for atrocities committed in the name of religion because, according to him, "No God condones terror". He correctly points out that no religion seems to be immune from this tendency and warns all believers, regardless of whatever god thing they think is the right one, to be vigilant against using religion, cloaked with arrogant authority, as a weapon.

Personally, I'd have rather he pointed out, and the National Prayer Breakfast would have been a suitable venue, that praying has no effect and that there's no reason to think any god things exist, and certainly no evidence that any do, so fighting over which one is the best or pretending you've got one 'on your side' is the epitome of stupidity.

But that's just me...
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 35
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 10:15:57 AM
Yes, Netanyahu and Israel can pound salt.
Finally something good said.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 36
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 11:00:58 AM

yet, incredibly we see you DEFENDING HIM. Obama's whole presidency doesn't make any sense.


It does not make sense because you are a raging loon who also happens to be a racist.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 37
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 11:23:15 AM
Despite Wingnut Freakout Obama Is Right: Christian Violence Is Just as Bad as Muslim Violence
If anything, the president understated the case.

By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet
February 6, 2015

...What all these critics did failed to do was actually engage with the substance of what Obama was saying. The president was not attacking Christianity, he was simply noting that just as ISIS may be using the name of Islam to rally followers to its violent agenda, extremists within the Christian faith have done same thing historically.

In fact, violence has been in the mainstream of Christianity throughout history. If anything, Obama didn't go far enough in his remarks. Christianist violence isn't a relic of the Crusades. It continues today, and in many of its forms is just as violent as what we are seeing from the ISIS fighters.

read the rest at

http://www.alternet.org/belief/obama-right-christian-violence-just-bad-muslim-violence-or-worse
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 38
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 12:12:17 PM
Actually, I'm a little disappointed he attended a National Prayer Breakfast....I'm all for the separation of church and state or church and country
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 39
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 1:18:36 PM
No, it doesn't bother me, it's just so much political speak, if the president was a conservative many people who are blasting him would be praising him, even if what he said was word-for-word the same. It's pretty hard to take this stuff seriously when the same people who lash out and call liberals names then whine about conservatives being called names, or the other way around. And surely this calling out that someone is really also something else, by people who have had the same things said about them, so much pot & kettle, that again can't be taken seriously. While I agree it would seem many here are using two or more accounts or genders, and I often have been thinking the same thing about the ones calling it out. Then again I have called a person or two out, and I've only ever had one name and one account here. There are interesting conversations that can be had by people stating their side and letting others state their side and looking at it all from several angles, but this Beavis & Butthead attitude, as I repeat myself, just makes it impossible to believe it's more than just whining & mud slinging.

What truly bothers me, is that politicians have to pretend to be Christians, or they are ran out of town. Any hint of not being a Christian, even if they are religious, is met with bashing and hate much like our history is full of. And an atheist, oh may, they must be evil. How can I take any of that seriously? Unless someone lives the life of a region they profess, they are just another talking head, lying. I'm all for taking all religion out of politics and working toward what's right.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 40
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 1:25:41 PM
I also am disappointed that he attends the National Prayer Breakfast, like this year and in 2013 when Ben Carson put him in his place.

To those who don't believe in God, you are welcome for the things you have in life because of Christianity.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 41
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:41:29 PM
AJ, it has nothing to do with believing or not believing in god. It is the separation mentioned.

And please, Christianity can't hold a candle to the to the things we have in life either discovered or brought about by folks that never heard the word Jesus. AND, a few very clever folks didn't believe in anything in particular...they just searched for knowledge and found same. So, thank goodness for the non Christians and no believers and the atheists as they were just as wonderful, if not more so, than the Christians. But I'm sure you already know this.

vvvv AJ, you're right; we will have to agree to disagree on that. BUT, I fully believe you have your right to believe just as I have my right to not believe. I respect your view on this topic.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 42
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:45:05 PM
bluemoon, I have no problem with those who don't believe. Without Christianity, there would be no me or you, and that I am sure you know but will never say on here.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 43
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Posted: 2/6/2015 1:56:04 PM

in 2013 when Ben Carson put him in his place.


Day late, dollar short: the electorate put him in his place. In 2008, and again in 2012.

 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 44
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Posted: 2/6/2015 2:47:53 PM

Without Christianity, there would be no me or you, and that I am sure you know but will never say on here.


I know you like to make false claims, but that is about as false as one could get.

There is nothing about christianity that has anything to do with existence, and if anything it is the other way around.

As there are far more people that are not here because of christianity than are here because of it.
 Strings6
Joined: 7/14/2007
Msg: 45
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 3:34:34 PM
As usual a statement of profound bias and ignorance.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 46
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 5:06:49 PM

Message: @flyguy
" "One of their own"? By the skewed logic of that ignorant association,one could just as easily say that a Nazi is " one of our own"."
Is it just early morning or is it me?How are you equating the Jordanian pilot with a Nazi?Or did you slip up in the heat of the moment and reveal your true sympathies?

Not at all-- I am comparing ISIS to the Nazis. The Nazis were of the white Christian culture. Hence, "one of our own"-- by YOUR skewed logic. Hope that clears things up.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 47
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 5:52:55 PM

we ARE still in a recession.
and as a far left liberal you can believe the government stats if you like.
here's some from the right - the jobs you state are minimum wage jobs but we have actually LOST significant numbers of high paying jobs as well. but the biggest stat is that......


Booming jobs and falling gas prices make this the best economy in 15 years
By Matt O'Brien February 6 at 12:39

The little recovery that could just got a whole lot bigger.

The economy added 257,000 jobs in January, added a whopping 147,000 more in revisions to previous months, saw average hourly wages creep up 2.2 percent the past year, and, best of all, the unemployment rate ticked up from 5.6 to 5.7 percent.

This last part was good news, because it wasn't about people losing their jobs, but rather about more people looking for them.

Indeed, the labor force grew by 703,000—yes, that's not a misprint—after you include annual population adjustments. So joblessness went up because the economy is creating so many jobs that people have stopped giving up.

This is the best the economy's been in 15 years. It's added an average of 336,000 jobs a month the past three months, 291,000 the past six, and 268,000 the past 12, which, as you can see below, are the highest they've been since, yes, 2000....


The only thing that can stop the recovery is declaring mission accomplished.


Read the rest at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/06/booming-jobs-and-falling-gas-prices-make-this-the-best-economy-in-15-years/
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 48
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 6:02:39 PM
Why would we not be here if there was no Christianity? Certainly you don't mean life, because there was life long before there was Christianity. So what's the point in saying this?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 49
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 7:34:40 PM
@dayna
This is the problem,people think we would have been able to build these WESTERN societies without Christianity.So why the f#$% do we have this and not the non Christian lands?Race?Please tell us.The rest of the world can thank us for dragging them along.
 bluemoon24_7
Joined: 4/18/2014
Msg: 50
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/6/2015 7:52:37 PM
^^^The Japanese seemed to have done okay. The Chinese as well. That's just two. The Egyptians seemed pretty smart in their day. I think the western world would have done okay if it had been discovered "conquered" by Buddhists or Druids or others. Can you imagine how far we would be now if we hadn't been suppressed by religious controllers/ leaders who couldn't fathom things such as a round earth. Christianity probably retarded thinking, concepts and discoveries...and it still does.
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