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 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 101
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MSG 97

Couldn't help bringing up the Jews again eh?

Here is an organisation you should consider supporting. They sound just like you.



The Hamas Charter ("The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement") rejects all peace talks with the State of Israel and stresses the terrorist organization's commitment to destroy Israel through a long-term holy war (jihad).




The Hamas Charter ("The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement") rejects all peace talks with the State of Israel and stresses the terrorist organization's commitment to destroy Israel through a long-term holy war (jihad). The 1988 charter - an overtly antisemitic and anti-Western document which expresses Hamas' radical Islamic outlook - is valid till today.
The charter's extremist stance is uncompromising with regard to Israel. It expresses total opposition to any agreement or arrangement that would recognize Israel's right to exist.
Hamas' charter views jihad as the means to capture all of "Palestine" from the Jews and to destroy the State of Israel. It states that Palestine is comprised of sacred Islamic land and it is strictly forbidden to give up an inch of it because no one (including Arab rulers) has the authority to do so. Repeated statements from Hamas leaders define Palestine as including not just the West Bank and Gaza but all of the current State of Israel.
In the introduction to the charter, there is a quote attributed to Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan Al-Banna that "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it...." Hamas' terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians are seen as links in the jihad chain.
It views the "problem of Palestine" as a religious-political Muslim issue, and the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation as a conflict between Islam and the "infidel" Jews. Article 15 of the charter states that the jihad to liberate Palestine is the personal duty of every Muslim, an idea expounded by al-Qaeda founder Abdallah Azzam.
Overt and vicious antisemitism, inspired by both Islamic and European sources, is articulated extensively throughout the document. The all-out jihad against the Jewish people is legitimized by demonizing the Jews and warning that they want to take over not only the Middle East but also the rest of the world.
The document includes antisemitic myths directly lifted from "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" regarding Jewish world control, while the Jews are also held responsible for all world and local wars, as well as prominent revolutions. Anti-Jewish conspiracy theories abound. The Jews are also presented as worthy only of humiliation and lives of misery. That is because, according to the charter, they angered Allah, rejected the Koran and killed the prophets.
With regard to international relations, the charter manifests an extremist worldview which is as anti-Western as that of global jihad organizations.
The charter points out the ideological difference between Hamas, with its radical Islamic worldview, and the secularly-oriented Palestine Liberation Organization, but does refer to the need for Palestinian unity to face the Jewish enemy.
In recent years, senior Hamas officials have continued to emphasize their commitment to the terrorist organization's charter and have stated that they will never change a single word of it.
Appendix:
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 102
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 3:49:31 PM

The one thing that I have noticed is that Muslims are hesitant to speak out against radicalized Islamist terror...


Apparently not all people care enough to research or listen to what's going on around them in the grander scheme of things and it's why they don't "notice" things. The following may be enlightening:

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html#
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 103
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 4:10:19 PM
"Yuppers ... I guess that's a plan too! "

such a passionate lover and supporter of the poor downtrodden Palestine people..one might think would be motivated to go over to the middle east & chain herself to a fence somewhere, instead of blabbing thousands of useless words on obscure internet forums that no one cares about, you know, do something concrete and/or actually "useful" to her Chosen People
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 104
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 4:35:15 PM
So your mom says you rock.I never joined the army.Two of my close friends did and I considered it but the Canadian army just plain sucked.
My father in law was tougher than Rambo...yes.1934 Somalia-Ethiopia-Spain-East Africa-North Africa-Middle East-Yugoslavia- Rome and finally on to the Northern Front with a German outfit ending up in Berlin.Jump trained commando with much experience.
Shipped off to Nigeria and survived two secret death camps...last one he ate human flesh for a year and a half before escaping.Killed several with his bare hands.I won over his respect despite something he didn't like about me...very first question he asked me when we were alone...
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 105
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 4:41:49 PM

...Two of my close friends did and I considered it but the Canadian army just plain sucked.


Wow, so you think the Canadian Army sucks.

I dare you to tell that to any Canadian Soldier, that is if you have the guts.

You go full nutter when someone posts a video that exposes a bad side to law enforcement and suggests that they be held to a higher standard, and then you come in and start slagging our military.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 106
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 4:44:13 PM
CalGuy14...so what was the mysterious question?
Your father-in-law sounds like a seriously tough dude!
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 107
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/9/2015 4:48:16 PM
@hfx
Forty years ago they sucked.Peacekeepers that couldn't fire a shot.Look what they did to those Canuck paras involved in that incident with the Somali thief...kicked them out and took their pensions iirc.Somali thieves are amongst the best in the world....I had one steal my credit card out of my truck despite two Rottweiler's in it!
@Eric
He asked me if I was a Jew.I told him my maternal grandmother was but I was raised a Catholic.She was very well read and a liberated woman from 20s Chicago.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 108
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 11:06:26 AM
26 y.o. humanitarian worker Kayla Mueller was the fourth American to die at the hands of ISIS in recent history.
President Barack Hussein Obama...do you think we are in a struggle with radicalized Islam yet?

Some here will likely start screaming:
"It was the Jordanians! It was the Jordanians! They bombed her!"

She has likely been dead for weeks. ISIS never predicted such pushback from the immolation of that young pilot.
So, they try and blame Kayla on Jordanian bombing. Interesting she was the SOLE victim of precision bombs, huh?

The sooner President Barack Hussein Obama realizes the enormous scope of this fight, the better.
Radicalized Islamic jihadists want non-Muslims (and even insufficiently faithful Muslims) dead.
Get with the program, Mr. President.
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 109
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 12:10:39 PM

My father in law was tougher than Rambo...yes.1934 Somalia-Ethiopia-Spain-East Africa-North Africa-Middle East-Yugoslavia- Rome and finally on to the Northern Front with a German outfit ending up in Berlin.Jump trained commando with much experience.
Shipped off to Nigeria and survived two secret death camps...last one he ate human flesh for a year and a half


so..toughness by association? if I had a 3rd cosuin who was a certified badazz does that mean I can claim to be one too?


Shipped off to Nigeria and survived two secret death camps...last one he ate human flesh for a year and a half


sounds slightly dubious..couldn't have bben a very efficient "Death camp" id he survived 1.5 years there..not as efficent as Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Ebensee, Sobibor or tohers..those selected for death at thsoe camps (no selected to be slave labor) didn't last a week. probably not one day. most slaves died within months due to overwork, extremely poor diet, lack of sleep, cold
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 110
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 1:35:25 PM
What does some politicians in the USA have in common with ISIS?

If you picked, They use a book to justify their actions and repress others.

You win the prize.



Meet Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, Who Isn't About to Give Up His Antigay Crusade
Michelangelo Signorile
Posted: 02/09/2015 1:04 pm EST

Some Alabama probate judges, at least for the time being, are defying the United States Supreme Court today, refusing to grant marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples while other judges throughout the state are granting those licenses. The defiers are taking their orders from Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy S. Moore.

He sent out a letter Sunday night defying a federal judge's ruling, ordering probate judges not to give out licenses, and, as in the past, he couldn't care less what the U.S. Supreme Court has to say.

Moore's theocratic ideology doesn't sound much different from that of Saudi Arabia's rulers, or that of ISIS, using Islamic fundamentalism as a basis of law....


Read about the American version of ISIS at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/meet-alabama-chief-justic_b_6646030.html
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 111
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 2:18:33 PM

26 y.o. humanitarian worker Kayla Mueller was the fourth American to die at the hands of ISIS in recent history.
President Barack Hussein Obama...do you think we are in a struggle with radicalized Islam yet?

Some here will likely start screaming:
"It was the Jordanians! It was the Jordanians! They bombed her!"

She has likely been dead for weeks. ISIS never predicted such pushback from the immolation of that young pilot.
So, they try and blame Kayla on Jordanian bombing. Interesting she was the SOLE victim of precision bombs, huh?

The sooner President Barack Hussein Obama realizes the enormous scope of this fight, the better.
Radicalized Islamic jihadists want non-Muslims (and even insufficiently faithful Muslims) dead.
Get with the program, Mr. President.


It is you that is not up with the program, have you been hiding under a rock? The US lead the coalition conducting air strikes against ISIL in Iraq and Syria and have been doing so since September.

What else do you want your President to do? Drop some nukes or something?

BTW, you are not fooling anyone here with your tactic of including your President's middle name in your posts. That is just your under handed way of trying to label him a Muslim and we all know that people with limited intelligence such as yourself class all Muslims as terrorists.
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 112
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 4:36:55 PM

Muslim and we all know that people with limited intelligence such as yourself class all Muslims as terrorists.


I'm not sure anyone classifies "ALL" Muslims as terrorists.. it is certainly NOT a requirement for "ALL" Muslims to be terrorists, in order for Muslim terrorists to wreak much havoc in the world.. 19 were able to take down several very large buildings, 4 multi-million $ jet aircraft and kill over 3,000 people in one stroke on 9-11..why would "ALL" Muslims have to be terrorists in order to accomplish such damage? many other events only required a few Muslim Terrorists to carry our much damage, subway bombings in Madrid Spain & in London UK..and in Bali, Indonesia nightclubs, killing as many foreign tourists as possible, mostly Australian, I believe..

only a few Muslim terrorists were required to hijack planes, kill people in the Tel Aviv airport, with bombs & machine guns, (many years go, before the Israelis tightened security) only a few Black September Muslim Terrorists required to kill several Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympic Games
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 113
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 6:53:34 PM
Terrorism is obviously a problem. But Obama wasn't trying to justify it (as some, presumably detached from reality, posters have claimed), he was pointing to its source.

Ideological righteousness.

He was hinting (I wish he'd come right out and said it) that morals and rights aren't 'god given' - they have a rational basis. Religious ideology can be, and clearly is in some parts of the world, an obstacle to living peacefully.

We see that point illustrated well by Israel and its conflicts with its neighbours - all parties believe (for no good reason) they have a 'god given' right to be where they are. They'll never resolve it because their ideologies, derived from holy sacred texts written by god things, are impervious to rational criticism.

Those IS lunatics illustrate exactly the same problem. An ideological righteousness that is impervious to rationality.

That was the point Obama was making. It went sailing over the heads of most right wing commentators though.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 114
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 7:43:05 PM
by John Hayward7 Feb 2015911


Dear liberals: Please stop trying to save President Obama from the idiotic remarks he made about the Crusades and moral equivalence at the National Prayer Breakfast.

The Republican governor of Louisiana put it quite nicely in his response:

“It was nice of the President to give us a history lesson at the Prayer breakfast,” said Bobby Jindal. “Today, however, the issue right in front of his nose, in the here and now, is the terrorism of Radical Islam, the assassination of journalists, the beheading and burning alive of captives. We will be happy to keep an eye out for runaway Christians, but it would be nice if he would face the reality of the situation today. The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President. Please deal with the Radical Islamic threat today.”

On the other hand, hearing liberals defend Obama is annoying, and those who are doing so should know this: you’re making fools of yourselves over something you should let go. He was wrong – absolutely, completely, and dangerously wrong. He casually and callously insulted Christians in a lazy attempt to reinforce his ideological blindness to Islamist terror. He once again tried to position himself, and his bankrupt ideology of a morally superior State, above all the religions of the world – lumping the one that did the Crusades a thousand years ago into the same basket as the one cited for authorizing the burning alive of a man in a cage last week. (When I say Obama’s ideology is bankrupt, I mean that quite literally.)

He made the kind of lazy, historically ignorant argument that would have gotten him kicked off the debate team at a decent high school. As the New York Times reported, the comment was basically an ad-lib Obama threw in at the last minute. There’s nothing worth defending here, loyal Obama worshipers. You’re tending barren ground and hoping for flowers to bloom because your man’s shadow once fell there.

One of the really annoying things about Obama’s thoughtless remarks is that he gave marching orders to an army of online pinheads to start nattering about the Crusades and the Inquisition again. Left-wing Twitter solons are depositing 140-character effusions claiming that the horrors of al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the army of “lone wolves” wreaking havoc around the world in their name are perfectly balanced out by that one guy who shot up a Sikh temple in Wisconsin two years ago. Sensible people are wasting valuable time explaining to sweaty Obama supporters that the Westboro Baptist Church, as objectionable as they might be, has not tortured or murdered anyone, much less seized territory through military conquest and set up a theocracy.

Also, Obama apologists would do well to pause and consider that the response of contemporary Christians to the occasional crime or outrageous statement made in the name of their faith undermines Obama’s flaccid argument, rather than bolstering it. You folks are on much better ground babbling about 12th-century history you’re only dimly aware of. Unfortunately, even that ground is quicksand. The worst thing you can do when you step into quicksand is thrash around blindly. Let this one go, kids. It was an incredible blunder on Obama’s part, an outrage you can only save him from by hoping that more sensible people forget he said it.

Of course, Obama’s remaining supporters lack the capacity for such restraint or reflection, and they went nuts when Jindal reminded us that the threat from medieval Christian knights was pretty much under control, so it would be nice if Obama would focus on the monsters who are crucifying people, burning them alive, burying them alive, and taking slaves right now.

Jindal’s comments were fighting words to the bent-pinky set, so we’re now we’re getting tortured screeds asserting that Obama’s critics are wrong to “defend” the Crusades by recalling their history with accuracy. As they have done so often before, liberal op-ed writers are concocting elaborate theories of what Obama “really meant,” detecting all sorts of studied critiques floating beneath the blunt stupidity and bigotry of his actual words.

Most amusingly, some of the people who respond to atrocities like the Charlie Hebdo massacre by musing that maybe the Islamists have a point, and free speech should be restrained by a Heckler’s Veto to avoid offending the many and delicate sensibilities of Muslims, are trying to cover for Obama by calling Christians thin-skinned for taking offense to his Crusade and Inquisition slander. C’mon, folks, all he did was insinuate that you’re permanently guilty, for the rest of eternity, for what European knights did in the 13th century. He told you to get off your “high horse” and stop criticizing Islam’s violent tendencies, because who knows – you Christians could all come boiling out of your bake sales tomorrow and launch a new Crusade or something. What are you being so touchy about?

Obama’s speech is actually yet another illustration of the double standard: mocking, impugning, insulting, and hectoring Christians and Jews is totally fine, because everything they do about it is verbal. Let’s see Obama get up in front of a Muslim audience and lecture them about the Islamic aggression that actually began the Crusades. He’d never dream of doing that in a million years, but he’s happy to casually throw in a couple of lines in a speech to the National Prayer Breakfast hectoring Christians. He’d never dream of discussing the way modern slavers like ISIS and Boko Haram are citing Islamic verse right this minute to justify slavery, and he’s not even slightly interested in discussing the immense contribution Christian faith made to ending the slave trade in the West, but he’s happy to score a cheap shot against Christians by dragging out Jim Crow for the zillionth time, while conveniently forgetting to mention what they did to end slavery and discrimination.

To their shame, liberals like Jonathan Chait at New York Magazine are still trying to prop Obama up. Chait’s still trying to sell Obama’s stale talking point that he’s the brilliant Man in the Middle who says provocative things that make both sides angry, so he must be doing something right – as if the most radically left-wing President in modern history really thinks “government can overreach.” Yes, Chait actually says that:


Barack Obama’s method of persuasion involves conceding his opponent’s most justified grievances in order to locate common ground. When Obama does this with Republicans, by acknowledging that government can overreach, he irritates liberals. When he does this in the context of acknowledging American historical failures to other countries whose behavioral improvements he is urging, he angers Republicans, who depict him as an unpatriotic apologist. That vein of resentment has taken on religious overtones, as Obama appeared before a National Prayer Breakfast and, in the service of denouncing Islamic extremism, acknowledged that Christians, too, have historically been capable of using religion to justify extremism and violence.

“Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”

Obama’s point, as I understand it, is that the prevalence of Islamic extremism does not reflect a tendency of violence inherent in the Muslim religion, but rather specific historical, economic, and social conditions in the Muslim world today. This argument places Obama in strong opposition to elements of the left, which often embraces a form of relativism that refuses to acknowledge the disproportionately violent quality of Muslim extremism today.

See what I mean about inventing a phantom speech that’s much less stupid than what Obama actually said? Chait argues the President was trying to make some sophisticated point about how Muslims are not all inclined to violence – possibly the most worn-out, understuffed straw man in the entire rhetorical arsenal, a banal observation that lightweights think makes them look smarter than the imaginary hordes of reactionary bigots who believe every single Muslim in the world is a potential terrorist.

Chait also thinks Obama made his silly comments about the Crusades and Inquisition as a rebuke to atheist liberals, because what Obama Really Meant was that all religions are roughly equally violent, including Islam. Newsflash, Mr. Chait: Barack Obama’s entire foreign policy, his every public utterance, is based on “refusing to acknowledge the disproportionately violent quality of Muslim extremism today.” He never tires of claiming that none of the violent types are actually Islamic, and none of their deeds has anything to do with the Muslim faith, no matter how often the head-choppers quote Koranic verses. It’s the first thing he says after every fresh head rolls.

In fact, Obama has actually asserted that Muslims are less likely to commit violence than anyone else. “ISIL’s actions represent no faith, least of all the Muslim faith which Abdul-Rahman adopted as his own,” the President declared after the beheading of hostage Peter Kassig, using the Muslim name Kassig adopted after he converted to Islam in captivity.

And yet, no matter how hard the likes of Jonathan Chait refuse to hear it, Obama expressly describes the Crusades and Inquisition as immoral real estate owned wholly and completely by Christians – not even just the specific branch of Christianity directly involved with them, but all Christians, everywhere – and the lease still hasn’t expired centuries later.

Most sensible people are laughing at these tools for going back 500 to 1,000 years and looking for something they think is roughly equivalent to what al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, and the rest of that crew are doing today, because it makes them look ridiculous, and it disproves the argument they’re trying to make. Chait even comes close to acknowledging that by admitting that “at one historical time, Christian extremism posed a far larger problem than Muslim extremism,” but “at the present time, the reverse is true.”

Gee, that seems kinda relevant, don’t you think, Mr. Chait? A little tidbit of information that makes the entire rest of your argument collapse into a pile of dust? We might venture to guess that Christianity has changed in rather significant ways since those ancient times, while Islam hasn’t changed enough, might we not? I can bury you under evidence for the latter part of that proposition; what have you got to dispute the former?

There we have the essential point of this dispute, and the reason why decent people should be angry at Obama and his defenders, not laughing at their foolishness: they don’t think Christianity has changed. The only way their argument makes a lick of sense is that modern Christians remain interested in Crusades and Inquisitions, or at least sympathetic to them. Chait actually makes the latter argument when he idiotically asserts that people who insist on accurately recounting the history of the Crusades are “right wing American Christian chauvinists” who are out to “defend” them. Apparently liberals think accurate history is chauvinistic, and remembering events properly connotes approval, while all Good People prefer to believe in false narratives and history butchered down to easily digested Tweet-friendly memes like “innocent peaceful Muslims minding their own business when evil Crusaders attack for no reason.”

Another thing liberals don’t understand, because they’re so eager to revise history to fit their ideological narratives, is that recounting historical events with some degree of sympathy in context doesn’t mean you approve of them today. The Crusades were as horrible as any other medieval war. A historian who explains how they were launched in response to Muslim aggression is not calling for a medieval war today. Such a historian is not saying that he, personally, would launch the Crusades right now. But that’s the assertion made by linking the Crusades to modern Christianity as a reason for Christians to get off their “high horse” and stop expressing concerns about modern Islam’s violent tendencies.

No matter how hard Obama apologists try to dance around this point, the one and only reason to bring up the Crusades and Inquisition, in a discussion of current events involving Muslims, is to assert that Christianity today is really no different than Christianity then. The only faith that really “evolves,” ever, is Obama’s Religion of the State. That’s why he threw Jim Crow in there – modern leftists never want to acknowledge the role Christian faith played in the civil-rights movement. They want to claim it as entirely an achievement of their secular ideology.

“I know that crusading fervor isn’t essential to the Christian religion; it is historically contingent, and the crusading moment in Christian history came and, after two hundred years or so, went,” writes Michael Walzer in a piece Chait cites as “entirely brilliant” and floats as a phantom of inspiration for What Obama Really Meant. “Saladin helped bring it to an end, but it would have ended on its own. I know that many Christians opposed the Crusades; today we would call them Christian ‘moderates.'”

No, you colossal fools, today we would call them “normal Christians.” There is no pro-Crusades wing eager to saddle up and conquer the Middle East. There is no comparison to be made between Christianity in 2015 and the mix of politics and religion in 1215. Once that point is conceded, everything else from Barack Obama’s offensive attempt at moral equivalence before the National Prayer Breakfast evaporates into meaningless hot air.

Chait ends his pompous article by explicitly insulting Bobby Jindal as a medieval Christian, a Crusader wannabe: “In a prepared statement, Jindal rebukes Obama, ‘The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President.’ It’s true – as long as Jindal is out of the White House.” It’s still true even if Bobby Jindal is in the White House, you bigot.

One other thing about this idiocy from Obama and his dead-enders… There is one group of people in the world conspicuously noted for claiming that Christians remain incipient Crusaders: the enemy we’re fighting. ISIS, al-Qaeda, and all the rest of them prattle on endlessly about the Crusades, and how the Western world is still run by Crusaders. They did it again just yesterday, in the statement where they claimed American hostage Kayla Jean Mueller was killed in a Jordanian airstrike: “The criminal Crusader coalition aircraft bombarded a site outside the city of Raqqa today at noon while the people were performing the Friday prayer.” What Obama said at the National Prayer Breakfast is very close to reciting enemy propaganda. The last thing the world needs right now is high-ranking Western officials agreeing with ISIS that the Crusades still offer relevant insights into the Christian mind.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 115
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 7:50:56 PM

The last thing the world needs right now is high-ranking Western officials agreeing with ISIS that the Crusades still offer relevant insights into the Christian mind.


That is like getting mad because you took your top off at Mardi Gras and someone took a picture.

Until they dial down the derp on gay marriage and stop with the invisible sky man controls the climate bullsh*t, people will start thinking maybe they are not people who want to run the country based on religious texts.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 116
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 8:26:01 PM
^^^^And like the article says that I posted, we are seeing how the liberal will respond. Thank you for exactly proving what the writer said.

VVVVVVVV...And it continues, thank you.
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 117
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 8:27:03 PM

Dear liberals: Please stop trying to save President Obama from the idiotic remarks he made about the Crusades and moral equivalence at the National Prayer Breakfast.

The Republican governor of Louisiana put it quite nicely in his response:
[snip]
No matter how hard Obama apologists try to dance around this point, the one and only reason to bring up the Crusades and Inquisition, in a discussion of current events involving Muslims, is to assert that Christianity today is really no different than Christianity then.
[snip]
He casually and callously insulted Christians in a lazy attempt to reinforce his ideological blindness to Islamist terror.
[snip]
What Obama said at the National Prayer Breakfast is very close to reciting enemy propaganda.



Duh! What the Republican governor of Louisiana put quite nicely is a strawman.
Even a skim read of Obama's speech shows he didn't assert "Christianity today is really no different than Christianity then". He didn't demonstrate any "ideological blindness to Islamist terror", he actually specifically condemned it. And there's no part of the speech that could be interpreted as Obama being close to "reciting enemy propaganda".

By leaping to the defence of his favourite religion when it wasn't necessarily even being criticised, while simultaneously getting in a few easy digs at Islamic lunatics, the dimwitted Republican governor of Louisiana has illustrated the issue Obama was pointing at.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 118
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/10/2015 8:40:09 PM
That's why he has speechwriters.....to slide by.I agree with what the Gov said.The 11th century has nothing to do with 2015.Quit trying to cut this apologist slack,he doesn't deserve any.

edit
What does Jim Crow have to do with Jihadists?
Gay marriage?The Jihadists agree?
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 119
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 4:05:24 AM
@skoochie
That's difficult subject matter.The Klan people didn't see themselves as aggressors.
I wouldn't go see that new movie with Will Smith.I see him as a racist.If you remember his time at The Fresh Prince of Bel Air you might remember some of the incredibly nasty shots taken at white people and the way they were portrayed.Likely nobody has told you this in any of the liberal bedtime stories you have heard,but racism goes both ways in this world.

The south is still ugly.An excavator I know has a son that married a Baton Rouge girl he met playing pro hockey.He has visited his son and he claims he wouldn't live in your home turf in a million years.Race baiters on both sides.Trips to the mall with your wife have to be arranged in groups for protection and he has an open carry permit which he uses.Its bad down there.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 120
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 4:26:18 AM

How is ISIS worse than radical Christian terrorists? I see no outrage from the right about this. Oh yeah, their religion justified it. ;)
there were plenty of Christians who were outraged at the time and even now..but like I said before our President should not use Moral equivalence when referring to Muslim Terrorists..Obama is reluctant to address any issue on its own..

You guys cant escape the fact that Muslim extremists are committing evil acts today and posting videos of these acts for the whole world to see.

do you have kids or step kids? how did you like when they did something bad and they used the excuse that jake down the street does it too? did it make what he did less bad?
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 121
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 5:50:06 AM

You guys cant escape the fact that Muslim extremists are committing evil acts today and posting videos of these acts for the whole world to see.[/quot

You can not escape the fact that some christians are attempting to change the laws of the USA based on religious texts. (see any state that is currently defining the US supreme courts ruling on gay marriage)

So do you actually care about the constitution or are you a apologist for religious rule of law?
 HFX_RGB
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Msg: 122
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 6:08:35 AM

I'm just pointing out the fact the Christians were doing the exact same thing just decades ago.



Actually, it was more like yesterday:


KKK supports Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore’s fight against gay marriage
February 10, 2015 by Michael Stone

The Ku Klux Klan is throwing its support behind Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore’s fight against gay marriage, urging “the God fearing people of Alabama” to resist federal tyranny.

In a statement from the website of the United Dixie White Knights, the Klan “salutes Alabama’s chief justice Roy Moore, for refusing to bow to the yoke of Federal tyranny,” claiming the “Feds have no authority over individual States marriage laws.”

The statement makes reference to “fudgepackers from Hollywood” and the “Imperialist, Communist Homosexual agenda.”

The statement laments that “the 2nd war for independence was lost in 1865” a reference to the Civil War which freed the American slaves in the South, and asks “the God fearing people of Alabama” to resist “the outside forces that have ruled this nation since the end of the War of Northern Aggression.”



Read more how the christian right is similar to ISIS at:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/kkk-supports-alabama-chief-justice-roy-moores-fight-against-gay-marriage/
 lyingcheat
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 7:20:11 AM
Obama wasn't making 'moral equivalencies' as some shallow thinkers have claimed, he was pointing out that all ideologies can be twisted by dimwitted dogmatism - and he gave a few obvious, well known and pretty indisputable examples from the past to justify the point.

A point which has sailed over the head of the right wingers here, soaked as they are in ideological righteousness.

The knee-jerk uproar from the christian right was entirely predictable - but they don't seem to realise they are confirming Obama's point. Imagine the uproar if he'd used a fairly obvious example of the way perverted ideologies combined with dogmatism produce intractable problems - Israel and its neighbours for instance. They all 'believe' fervently that their favourite god thing gave them that spot on the landscape. And since their holy sacred books with the coded god-given entitlements are immune to rational examination they are stuck in a perpetual war. They all think they've got a god thing on 'their side' so they'll just keep going until there's no more resistance.
It's less flashy, Israel vs Palestine et.al, but just as stupid and just as destructive to whoever is on the receiving end of the ordnance they exchange.


The problem is religion, and 'The National Prayer Breakfast' was an ideal time to point it out.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 124
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 7:28:11 AM
so what? you guys just want to conflate the issue instead of dealing with the very real issue of Muslim radical terrorists...
Here, lets end the argument I am a Republican and a Christian I think/ believe that when Christians use their messed up interpretation of the Bible to hurt other people they are wrong and I condemn their actions even those done in the past..

Now lets talk about Muslim Terrorists and address them as such....you guys have no problem labeling anyone as a Christians when they commit whatever atrocity but you have a hard time labeling Muslims as anything other than lone wolfs when they commits atrocities in the name of Allah

Did the Ku Klux Klan blow up the Gay pride parade or something?

The New Black Panthers supported Obama? What does that mean?



Obama wasn't making 'moral equivalencies' as some shallow thinkers have claimed, he was pointing out that all ideologies can be twisted by dimwitted dogmatism - and he gave a few obvious, well known and pretty indisputable examples from the past to justify the point.
Right and how is what he said not moral equivalence when taken in context? you pretty much show his attempt at moral equivalence in your post "Pointing out that all ideologies can be twisted "
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 125
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/11/2015 7:47:02 AM

Here, lets end the argument I am a Republican and a Christian I think/ believe that when Christians use their messed up interpretation of the Bible to hurt other people they are wrong and I condemn their actions even those done in the past..


So you are ok with people using the bible to hurt others, but only have a problem when they just mess up the interpretation?

When you understand it is not people messing up the bible, but people using any part of a religious text to enforce laws you will be well on your way to understanding.





Did the Ku Klux Klan blow up the Gay pride parade or something?


No, they just killed people because their christian book told them it was ok to.

But what ever you do, please just try and joke about it, because we know how much you agree with what they did, as anyone who would try to make a joke about it would.
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