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 daynadaze
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America has been SCAMMED. Thanks to all the ignorant voters that fell for it.


LOL and which president are you referring to? Since under every single president this same claim has been whined by the many who thought their vote should have been the deciding one.
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 177
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 11:09:13 AM
oh, those, poor, poor "brutally oppressed" atheists in such nations as Australia, Canada, UK, Europe. or USA

the HORRORS of walking down the street and being forced to see a church on the corner...how simply

UNBEARABLE and INHUMANE can those brutal "Christians" be?

to even compare the life of an atheist in one of these countries to the life of an "infidel" in strict Islamic nations shows how unbelievably egotistic a person can be..to draw a parallel between verbal abuse & physical abuse in a domestic situation

do you REALLY believe that f there were no 'religion' , all would be peace & light?

**I sort of get your blind hate for religion,** I am not fond of it myself..but you appear to miss the more fundamental problem of authoritarianism, which would exist with or without religion

granted religion may make it easier to convince people of the 'rightness' of authoritarian actions, but it is not the sole cause
more fundamentally, the real problem is egoism,, the need to feel you & "your group" are right and everyone else is wrong/

some do this with "intellectualism", people such as lying cheat who cannot feel good about themselves without using sneering, sarcastic putdowns to make themselves feel 'smarter' than others..although how 'successful one in is life to spend many hours per day on POF forums is an open question.."religious" people do it by feeling"Better', more "spiritual" than others who do not share their beliefs..sad really when people feel the only way to 'elevate' themselves or pump up their self-esteem or ego is by denigrating others
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 178
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 11:41:58 AM
America has been mega scammed, into thinking Israel is a gods right hand.... don't get that in other countries.
Its creepy military worship and thinking it needs to have an empire... and scamming itself its all for the greater good.
 tgif111
Joined: 10/24/2014
Msg: 179
I'M COMPLIMENTING THE PRESIDENT
Posted: 2/12/2015 11:47:48 AM
I want to thank President Barack Obama for signing the Veterans Suicide Prevention Bill today.

if our veterans need ANY help, even financial help I want our government to see to it that they get a fair shake.

some of these heroes come back a mental or physical mess. we must not abandon them!!!

thank you Mr. Obama.
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 180
I'M COMPLIMENTING THE PRESIDENT
Posted: 2/12/2015 11:49:32 AM
^^

not Barack HUSSEIN Obama, for once? today only? lol

but the free market, capitalism Gods would say to forget them, they cannot contribute now
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 181
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Posted: 2/12/2015 12:00:05 PM
why is London filled with close-circuit TVs and generally has a siege mentality concerning potential terrorist strikes? Until the 1990's, it was due to those "Christian" terrorists fighting each other in London and in Northern Ireland. You know, that big Catholic versus Protestant fight. It wasn't 800 years ago. Why was Israel put into existance? Due to good Christian countries doing nothing as Jews got exterminated by self-proclaimed Christians running Germany. How about the pictures in Vietnam, civilians running naked from burning napalm. What did bishops in America do to stop pedophile priests? Not much until it got made public.

Its really not persecution to say, the emperor has no clothes. Failing to label radical right wing conservative Arab terrorists "Islamic" is just diplomacy....how well do we react when Obama labels historic behavior "Christian"? Good luck getting support from Arab countries to kill people we label Islamic. then again, we're doing a lot of the bombing work ourselves, so its funny to say Obama ain't leading. It costs money, and Congress right now is loathe to kill the sequester to raise the budget (there goes teaparty support) to pay for yet another war.

And if we did get rid of ISIS, what happens to their original purpose? You know, to take out Assad for us (and has anyone totalled up what it costs to put a new government in afterward? b/c that's been working so well so far in the MidEast). Seems they were doing a better job than any other boots on the ground.

If it wasn't for Christianity, we wouldn't be here? You mean, all the Greek and Roman (pagan) culture, the Christian holidays that piggy-back on pagan ones, Jesus coming here to get us to return to His Father's Judaism, religious persecution by Christians in England of other Christians sending those Pilgrims here to America? Or maybe you meant the Catholic Church keeping eduation alive during the Dark Ages, or the Rennaissance Period that eventually led to liberal political thoughts learned by the Founding Fathers (along with lessons from Plato and Aristotle) to be used in the documents they made?

someone's gotta put down the book of history according to Rush Limbaugh. Or if they want to talk about liberal judges making law from the bench, they might want to look at this week's news, the conservative right wing judges trying to override the Supreme Court on gay marriage. Interesting no one's worried about these judges over-reaching.

Iran and nuclear weapons? they've been 6 months away for the last 10 years now. the Saudis tried a nuclear program with Iraq until Israel bombed Osirik in 86 (?) and then tried Pakistan. The big war in the MidEast is no longer Israel against everyone else, its Sunni versus Shia for control of OPEC.
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 182
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Posted: 2/12/2015 12:09:32 PM
Athiests running Germany.
Hitler was born into a catholic family but left the church at a young age, calling it a religion for Jew lovers and weaklings.
They (Himmler) especially was reintroducing the old pagan Norse/Germanic religion... all the ss had to sit indoctrination classes and leave the church.
 momsaysirock
Joined: 2/4/2015
Msg: 183
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 12:53:03 PM
but even Hitler wasn't really successful n getting 15 or 16 year-olds to strap bombs on themselves & destroy themselves along with many others for the promise of Eternal Bliss - that seems to require religion. Japan also had the kamikaze pilots with similar promises, I believe
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 184
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Posted: 2/12/2015 12:59:07 PM

**I sort of get your blind hate for religion,** I am not fond of it myself..but you appear to miss the more fundamental problem of authoritarianism, which would exist with or without religion


It's the pretense that's the pi$$ off. Authoritarians pretending they do what they do in the name of some higher being and use it as a manipulation tool on the sheeple who buy into the pretense. They, in turn, use it to absolve themselves of any wrong doing because their particular religion mandates the poor behaviour. You don't need religion to be bad any more than you need it to be good. It's the blind faith that defies all logic - logic being the key word. If there was no religion, another "threat" would be used on the susceptible in the follow the leader games.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 185
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 1:59:03 PM

do you REALLY believe that f there were no 'religion' , all would be peace & light?


Well seeing as the facts show that the less religous a place, is the better off the citzens are.


Atheism, Secularity, and Well-Being: How the Findings of Social Science Counter Negative Stereotypes and Assumptions
Phil Zuckerman*
Pitzer College, Claremont, California

Abstract

What do we currently know about atheists and secular people? In what ways are atheism and secularity correlated with positive societal outcomes? This article offers a thorough presentation and discussion of the latest social scientific research concerning the identities, values, and behaviors of people who don’t believe in God or are non-religious, and addresses the ways in which atheism and secularity are positively correlated with societal well-being.



Conclusion

This essay began with a well-known Biblical quote stating that atheists are simply no good. Do the findings of contemporary social science support this Biblical assertion?

The clear answer is no.

Atheism and secularity have many positive correlates, such as higher levels of education and verbal ability, lower levels of prejudice, ethnocentrism, racism, and homophobia, greater support for women’s equality, child-rearing that promotes inde- pendent thinking and an absence of corporal punishment, etc. And at the societal level, with the important exception of suicide, states and nations with a higher proportion of secular people fare markedly better than those with a higher proportion of religious people.


Read the whole study at:

http://www.pitzer.edu/academics/faculty/zuckerman/Zuckerman_on_Atheism.pdf
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 186
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 4:02:10 PM
@gto
Closed circuit cameras had nothing to do with the IRAand Ulstermen. Street crime.

Potential terrorist strikes?Yeah when you so many Muslims in ghettoes being preached to by radical imams.

Northern Ireland is the fault of the British.They invaded and installed a ruling class,just like they did in Canada.

Israel used extreme terrorism to come into existence.

Hitler ran Germany,not the church.

In Vietnam they couldn't separate friend from foe.

Gays infiltrated the church.

As I pointed out before,what did the civilized European countries have besides their white skin?Christianity. Africans and the New World people didn't have that,hence the missionaries seeing conversion as tough medicine.
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 187
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 4:20:40 PM
Brownbacking

Stewart Tackles Gay Rights in Kansas and Alabama: ‘There’s No Place Like Homophobia’
11-FEB-2015

Stewart tackled a few gay rights issues, and started with Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback‘s decision to scrap LGBT worker protections in the state. As a result, he said, the word “Brownback” should get the “Santorum” treatment, because in Kansas, ”there’s no place like homophobia.”

He moved on to Alabama’s back-and-forth over gay marriage, which has garnered lots of attention in the news lately. Alabama’s Chief Supreme Court Justice Ray Moore said the federal government does not have the power to re-define marriage, and used the “slippery slope” argument. Stewart wasn’t having any of it.

“This is about real people, whose lives are being affected by this right now,” he said.

He then moved on to Alabama’s controversial amendment prohibiting state officials from using “foreign law” to justify any of the state’s decisions: “Where was the Bible written again?” So, according to Stewart, if when it comes to gay marriage Alabama officials say biblical law trumps federal law, that amendment runs contrary to their belief.

“You have f*cked yourselves with your own statute,” he added. “Or as I hope it becomes to be know — Brownbacking.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl5QhKxUyXU#t=197
 NotGorshkovAgain
Joined: 4/29/2009
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Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 5:21:39 PM
@hfx:


Well seeing as the facts show that the less religous a place, is the better off the citizens are.

Good to know. How well did that work out for the Soviet Union? China, especially during the Cultural Revolution? Cambodia under Pol Pot, or any other communist country - all atheistic societies?
 thompson1919
Joined: 11/30/2014
Msg: 189
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 6:21:06 PM

Athiests running Germany.
Hitler was born into a catholic family but left the church at a young age, calling it a religion for Jew lovers and weaklings.
They (Himmler) especially was reintroducing the old pagan Norse/Germanic religion... all the ss had to sit indoctrination classes and leave the church.


Are You ****ing serious right now!?!? Have you ever read mein comp? If you haven't I have. A Christian told me this lie once. So I read it because I wanted to see. Chapter 11 and I don't remember the page. Hitler was a Christian doing god's work according to him. Christian's usually hate jews for killing JESUS. A make believe figment of your imagination fathered by another figment of your imagination. He had a cross on his belt buckle and on the buckles of his soldiers. The swastika was a broken cross that represented the brake in Christianity Hitler was going to repair.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 190
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Posted: 2/12/2015 6:51:44 PM
Due to good Christian countries doing nothing as Jews got exterminated by self-proclaimed Christians running Germany"

^^^^^Huh? Hitler, if that is the person you are referring to was NOT a Christian. He was born into his mom being a Christian but no, he was not a Christian but people like you fell for that pretty well it seems.

And to the poster above saying Hitler was doing God's work? If that is what you meant, you are another one who hasn't a clue what you are talking about.

Anyway, back to the thread topic, Obama should stick with selfies because he has no clue on what is going on during his watch and foreign policy.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 191
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Posted: 2/12/2015 6:59:23 PM
MSG 217

BS, you could not possibly have read Mein Kampf , if so you would know this.




Religion played a role in Nazi Germany but as with so many other aspects of life in the state, religion became the ‘property’ of the government with the introduction of the Reich Church. While Hitler had been brought up as a Roman Catholic, he rejected Christian beliefs as an adult. He wrote in ‘Mein Kampf’ that “antiquity was better than modern times because it did not know Christianity and syphilis.” Hitler also forwarded other reasons in ‘Mein Kampf’ as to why Christianity should be rejected.

1. It protected the weak and the low.

2. Christianity was Jewish and Oriental in origin and it forced people “to bends their backs to the sound of the church bells and crawl to the cross of a foreign God.”

3. Christianity began 2000 years previous among sick, exhausted and despairing men who had lost their belief in life.

4. The Christian tenets of forgiveness of sin, resurrection and salvation were “plain nonsense”.

5. The Christian idea of mercy was a dangerous idea and “un-German”.

6. Christian love was a silly idea because love paralysed men.

7. The Christian idea of equality protected the racially inferior, the ill, the weak and the crippled.

Alfred Rosenberg was considered to be the Nazi Party’s main philosopher and he put his faith in Positive Christianity. This replaced the “Oriental” aspects of Christianity that Hitler disapproved of and replaced them with “positive aspects” – such as racialism, the reintroduction of old Nordic values, the supremacy of the Aryan race and the importance of the individual heroic figure. However, a great deal of Positive Christianity as purported by Rosenberg came across to Hitler as nonsense in itself and he did not shy away from telling his inner circle such.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 192
Obama Uses National Prayer Breakfast To Compare Christianity To ISIS
Posted: 2/12/2015 7:44:57 PM
hitler did consider himself a Christian, just as those "Islamic terrorists" think they are following a version of Islam. So why doesn't Obama call 'em "Islamic terrorists"? well, we just proved here what happens when you tie psychopathic killers to religion--people get all upset. Oh, hitler also pursued the occult and paganism, but Catholics' major religious holidays fall on the winter and summer solstice. No, I'm not comparing the Roman Catholic Church to hitler (tho obviously historians wonder if there were any deals with Mussolini), I'm just saying a simple fact, there are Christians who follow paganism, whether they realize it or not. Few religions retain their purity, human nature intrudes.

Its not denegrating the Christian religion to say it has faults, which was the point of the OP.

so, the Brits decided the best defense against street crime wasn't to arm the populace but use CCTV? I think we have a post somewhere about that :)

As for the CINC giving support to returning vets, yes, its due. Its also gonna cost. The VA may turn into the joke about General Motors. People used to say, "GM is a health insurance company that makes cars." The Pentagon may, some years from now, be a health insurance firm that goes to war--VA budgets may come to rival spending for new weapons. Hope we plan for it.

gorsh, I'm sure you've already googled "swastika as cross" and gotten your answer. It wasn't a Christian cross, but one of Hinduism. Wikipedia gives the details.
 NotGorshkovAgain
Joined: 4/29/2009
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Posted: 2/12/2015 7:48:16 PM

Hitler was a Christian doing god's work according to him. Christian's usually hate jews for killing JESUS. A make believe figment of your imagination fathered by another figment of your imagination. He had a cross on his belt buckle and on the buckles of his soldiers.

Joseph Stalin was more of a Christian than Hitler was - he spent years in a monastery studying for the priesthood. Wouldn't exactly call him a good Christian warrior, though.

The swastika was a broken cross that represented the brake in Christianity Hitler was going to repair.

I would LOVE to see any reference to back up that claim - that one is absolutely new to me, and I thought I'd heard them all.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 194
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Posted: 2/12/2015 7:56:24 PM
Obama compared Christianity to isis, and that is ridiculous like so many have said. Someone brought up Hitler, whether it was you or someone else, I responded. He has nothing to do with Obama's speech, only that you a couple others want it to be comparable. Looks like some want anything to "stick", they are really reaching.
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 195
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 196
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Posted: 2/12/2015 8:20:05 PM
Mein Kampf was just a spiel to get elected.Things changed once he had power.
Mussolini detested the church.
Comparison between Hitler and Christianity and Jihadists and Islam are ridiculous.
Anyhoo,Obama is an apologist for Jihadists, period.I would like to tell you what I think hes really doing for them but that would be rude.
 Countryheart1967
Joined: 5/19/2014
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Posted: 2/13/2015 1:10:11 AM

...view-point of a racist...


Racism against one's own race? Don't see that often. :p
 thompson1919
Joined: 11/30/2014
Msg: 198
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Posted: 2/13/2015 3:03:36 AM

And to the poster above saying Hitler was doing God's work?


Have you read mien comp? Who better to say if hitler was a Christian or not better than himself? Why not read chapter 11 like I said and see for yourself?
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 2/13/2015 3:35:07 AM
Gto
The big 'catholic v protestant thing in ulster was not really what you claim it to be mate. Change catholic and protestant to nationalist and loyalist and you will be closer to the truth. Not all tims are nationalists and not all prods are loyalists.

Religion was a part to be sure but politics was the driving force. Although a united ireland was and is the nationalist aim the folk in the republic do not really relish an armed to the teeth loyalist minority. So i would say nope twas not christian v christian. In fact sinn fein are at heart a marxist organisation. You will also note that catholics or protestants world wide did not go on rampages killing and maiming in foreign lands over deaths in northern ireland.

The claim you wrote though is widely used by terrorist apologists (and i am not saying you are one geezer you are more misinformed) for nut job muslim acts of barkingness.

Oh and was soviet russia, red china, cambodia and north korea all religion free? Wow man they really proved that without religion all was great for their citizens. All happy smiling faces in those countries eh?

Oops notgorsh had already mentioned that. Appy polly lodges mate.
 calguy14
Joined: 8/17/2014
Msg: 200
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Posted: 2/13/2015 4:50:15 AM
Thompson please educate yourself.Christians don't hate Jews for the death of Jesus 2000 years ago.You actually read through Mein Kampf in its entirety?Must have a lot of patience,mostly repetitive drivel,I've actually seen an original signed copy treasured by a Canadian Fraulein.
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