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 cotter
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Message 183 ...
Yeah ... apparently he had been stealing money and committing crimes for at least the past 7 years.

The investigation cost over $300,000 and there is a long list of crimes this guy had been committing over several years.

It's good that we now know the truth ... sad that fellow forumites are encouraging police officers across the county (not sure which "county" in which state was meant by that) to hold protests.

Message 184 ...
Killing yourself to cover up embezzlement seems a bit much though.
It was a bit more than just embezzlement ... adult sites and forging signatures on official documents as well ... from what I heard.
 o0BrownEyedGirl0o
Joined: 11/12/2014
Msg: 177
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Posted: 11/4/2015 12:02:00 PM
The comments section in this article brings up even more speculation that things were not as they seemed:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151104/news/151109564/

Taken out by his own dept with him as scapegoat? Wife knowingly involved in the laundering? 9 different police DNA samples at crime scene? Confirmed gunshot residue UNDER his bp vest could either mean wound was self inflicted or performed forcibly by another?

I hope this is not a case of "who is watching the watchers".

(Steer clear of the 'invagination ' in the comments section, sounds icky to me.)

Great story for a future "Dateline".
 SAguy_06
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 178
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Police Officers across the county should hold protests…
Posted: 11/4/2015 8:26:07 PM
Hey HondoGirl

Police have been killed since there were police. Your outrage for them in your anger. Police officers know the risks involved from before their day one.

No one wants police dead or injured and those that do come in all types.

You are projecting your mess up thinking on what Cops should do. You take care of HondoGirl and leave Cops to take care of themselves.

This forum is not the bricks...If you want to protest...pick up a sign and hit them.

Spare the forum your messed up crap.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 179
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Posted: 11/5/2015 9:44:26 AM

Message #33:
For the sake of this discussion what have you offered as evidence that defies anything I have stated?
You may want to make me the bad guy but it is you, and others like you, who make this cycle of horror in the black hoods possible.



Where is the outrage? I want to see Police Officers across the country march and stay off the job for weeks in protest of the venomous blacks that continue to assassinate the cops.


Where is the outrage? The truth and all the facts will set you free.


Police officers are actually safer in 2015 compared to past years, despite what politicians say:
So far, in 2015, 31 American police officers have been shot and killed. Every single one of those deaths is tragic and is indicative of the problems we have in this country with gun violence.

These officers were beloved public servants, had families who cherished them, and should still be alive today. It’s necessary, though, to explain that as the year concludes, all indications are that 2015 has been among the safest for American cops since officials began recording police casualties nearly a century ago.

This, however, is what we must call an inconvenient truth — particularly for the thousands of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Chris Christie who have insisted that this year has been one of the worst for American police safety. If all holds out, 2015 will now be the second safest year ever.

These are facts. This isn't anti-police rhetoric. This isn't hateful. This isn't insensitive. This is our reality. Yes, each officer death is very painful and I would never say or do anything to take away from that. But we can acknowledge that pain without fictitiously making it appear as if the problem is at an all-time high. In fact, by the end of Obama’s term, unless the zombie apocalypse breaks out in 2016, his eight years in office will have been the safest eight years for police in modern American history.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-police-safer-2015-years-article-1.2424427
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 180
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Posted: 11/5/2015 4:34:35 PM

HondoGal:
Where is the outrage? I want to see Police Officers across the country march and stay off the job for weeks in protest of the venomous blacks that continue to assassinate the cops.


Now comes word that G.I. Joke Gliniewicz’s was arranging for Village Administrator Anne Marrin to get busted for coke possession. He also tried to hire a gang member to kill this woman because he feared she would find out what he was doing. He wanted to murder the woman who discovered he was a thief.

Police across the country should throw a parade for this superb exemplary officer. Here we have a positive role model for aspiring young law enforcement officers.


Fox Lake cop Joseph Gliniewicz exposed as thief who 'staged' suicide tried to hire gangbanger to kill town official :

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/bad-fox-lake-town-official-killed-article-1.2424992
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 181
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Posted: 11/6/2015 5:22:20 AM
People should protest about that Kassick verdict.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 182
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Posted: 11/6/2015 9:19:26 AM
People should protest. The guy was shot twice in the back, as shown on her camera attached to her stun gun, as he lay face down in the snow.


http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/11/05/cop-who-fatally-shot-motorist-in-back-cleared-of-all-charges
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 183
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Posted: 11/9/2015 3:23:24 AM
And now they killed that six year old child in Louisiana.
Continuing in examples of where if it only happens to black people (criminal forfeiture, cops killing people, heroin usage) some people like Hondo Girl make excuses. But as my grandmother used to say it will eventually happen to them because power knows no color and THEN maybe something will be done about it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/community-to-say-goodbye-autistic-6-year-old-killed-police-pursuit-louisiana/
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 184
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Posted: 11/9/2015 8:58:05 PM
Where is the outrage?


Jeremy Mardis' Father Reportedly Had His Hands Up As Police Fired

Chris Few, whose 6-year-old son died in the hail of police bullets, is shown on police body camera video.

The father of 6-year-old Jeremy Mardis, the boy who was shot to death by police last week while a passenger in his dad's vehicle, had his hands up as officers opened fire, police body camera video shows

Mark Jeansonne, attorney for Chris Few, first told The Associated Press that body camera video shows Few with his hands in the air before city marshals fired at Few's vehicle, severely wounding Few and killing his son.

"This was not a threatening situation for the police," Jeansonne said.

Police said Few, 25, was driving his SUV, pursued by police, when officers fired at least 18 rounds in the direction of the vehicle. Police initially said the marshals were attempting to serve Few a warrant when he attempted to reverse his SUV into the officers. Edmonson, however, said there's no evidence of a warrant for Few and couldn't confirm that Few attempted to back into the officers. The state police leader also said no gun was found that could be linked to Few.

The boy was the youngest person killed by police in the U.S. this year, according to unofficial data collected by The Guardian.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeremy-mardis-father-hands-up_56413a0de4b0307f2caeb86b?icid=hp_politics_top_art
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 10/8/2015
Msg: 185
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Posted: 11/24/2015 5:56:29 PM
Police Officers across the county should hold protests…where is the outrage? Their own departments keep covering up police brutality.


http://chicagoreporter.com/how-chicago-tried-to-cover-up-a-police-execution/

How Chicago tried to cover up a police execution:

It was just about a year ago that a city whistleblower came to journalist Jamie Kalven and attorney Craig Futterman out of concern that Laquan McDonald’s shooting a few weeks earlier “wasn’t being vigorously investigated,” as Kalven recalls. The source told them “that there was a video and that it was horrific,” he said.

Without that whistleblower—and without that video—it’s highly unlikely that Chicago Police officer Jason Van Dyke would be facing first-degree murder charges today.

“When it was first reported it was a typical police shooting story,”Kalven said, where police claim self-defense and announce an investigation, and “at that point the story disappears.” And, typically, a year or 18 months later, the Independent Police Review Authority confirms the self-defense claim, and “by then no one remembers the initial incident.”

“There are an average of 50 police shootings of civilians every year in Chicago, and no one is ever charged,” said Futterman. “Without the video, this would have been just one more of 50 such incidents, where the police blotter defines the narrative and nothing changes.”

Last December, Kalven and Futterman issued a statement revealing the existence of a dash-cam video and calling for its release. Kalven tracked down a witness to the shooting, who said he and other witnesses had been “shooed away” from the scene with no statements or contact information taken.

In February, Kalven obtained a copy of McDonald’s autopsy, which contradicted the official story that McDonald had died of a single gunshot to the chest.

In fact, he’d been shot 16 times—as Van Dyke unloaded his service revolver, execution style—while McDonald lay on the ground.

The next month, the City Council approved a $5 million settlement with McDonald’s family, whose attorneys had obtained the video. They said it showed McDonald walking away from police at the time of the shooting, contradicting the police story that he was threatening or had “lunged at” cops. The settlement included a provision keeping the video confidential.

The real issue here is, this terrible thing happened, how did our governmental institutions respond?” Kalven said. “And from everything we’ve learned, compulsively at every level, from the cops on the scene to the highest levels of government, they responded by circling the wagons and by fabricating a narrative that they knew was completely false.” To him this response is “part of a systemic problem” and preserves “the underlying conditions that allow abuse and shield abuse.”

In April, the Chicago Tribune revealed Van Dyke’s name and his history of civilian complaints—including several brutality complaints, one of which cost the city $500,000 in a civil lawsuit—none of which resulted in any disciplinary action. In May, Carol Marin reported that video from a security camera at a Burger King on the scene had apparently been deleted by police in the hours after the shooting.

“This case shows the operation of the code of silence in the Chicago Police Department,” said Futterman. “From the very start you have officers and detectives conspiring to cover up the story. The question is, why are they not being charged?

Van Dyke’s history “also shows what happens when the police department consistently chooses not to look at patterns of abuse complaints when investigating misconduct charges,” he adds. This failure “is one of the reasons an officer like Van Dyke has an opportunity to execute a 17-year-old kid.”

Rather than acknowledging the systemic failures, Mayor Rahm Emanuel is now trying to frame the issue as the action of one bad officer, as the Tribune reports. “One individual needs to be held accountable,” he said Monday.

Kalven calls Emanuel’s “reframing” of the narrative “essentially false.” He points out that “everything we know now, the city knew from Day One. They had the officers on the scene. They knew there were witnesses. They had the autopsy, they had the video.... They maintained a false narrative about those events, and they did it for a year, when it could have been corrected almost immediately....They spent a year stonewalling any calls for transparency, any information about the case.”

He points to Cincinnati, where last summer a university officer was indicted for murder and video from his body camera was released within days following the shooting of an unarmed African-American man in a traffic stop.

“The policy in Cincinnati is that you should release within 24 hours unless there are compelling investigatory reasons to hold on longer,” said Kalven. “The policy should be that the presumption is that this is public information and it is released as quickly as can reasonably be done, except in cases where there is a genuine and very specific investigatory need to withhold it.”

That’s not the same as waiting until an investigation is concluded. Friday’s ruling that the McDonald video must be released—and the absence of any affidavit from investigators about the need to withhold it—showed that “there was absolutely no legal or investigatory impediment to releasing this” long ago.

“This was an incredible test of leadership, a major challenge to [Emanuel’s] leadership,” Kalven said. “Think how different the situation would be right now if the city had acknowledged the reality of what happened in the days or weeks after it happened. That would have built confidence.”

And instead of vague and politically self-serving calls for “healing,” it could have begun a real process of accountability of the kind necessary to start addressing the extreme alienation between police and wide segments of our communities.

Instead, with only Van Dyke indicted, it looks like he’s being sacrificed in order to protect the system that created him.
 JujuO12
Joined: 8/18/2015
Msg: 186
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Posted: 11/24/2015 7:45:08 PM
American cops are not required to report police shootings or killings to any federal government agencies. SO how are we to truthfully know how many people are killed by the police when the police are the ones who investigate it?
American police have killed more people in the first 6 months of this year than UK cops have killed since 1900 to this year. There is something wrong with that number right there. AND that is the ones we are fully aware of.

With the invent of the cell phone camera and all of a sudden cops are being charged with murder. WHICH means there are tons of dead young people in which the police LIED about what happened and we just had to take their word for it.

NOW do I think being a cop is a safe job? NO, but that is no justification for the shooting of it's citizens. IF we heard that in IRAN or CHINA that they government were randomly shooting it's citizens the way we are then WE would be boycotting that countries AND insisting on sanctions to bring them into line.

THE cops are responsible for bring calm to the community and they are failing at their job. THEY see the citizens as the enemy to be frighten into line.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 187
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Posted: 11/25/2015 6:14:14 AM
#193


In April, the Chicago Tribune revealed Van Dyke’s name and his history of civilian complaints—including several brutality complaints, one of which cost the city $500,000 in a civil lawsuit—none of which resulted in any disciplinary action. In May, Carol Marin reported that video from a security camera at a Burger King on the scene had apparently been deleted by police in the hours after the shooting.


here is a cop with a history of abuse which cost the city 500k and yet he was allowed to return to duty.

Additionally, there was no way Van Dyke couldn't have known that he was using excessive force in the shooting of Mcdonald; yet he felt bold enough to do it because perhaps in his mind he knew the PD would have his back no matter what!

So the Council settled with the family for 5 million knowing fully well that the video was damning enough, yet VanDyke was still kept on the force.

This incident represents the deep seated systemic cover up policies within the Chicago PD.
Every single high ranking police official in Chicago should come under Federal investigation, including the mayor, who is trying to deflect this on Van Dyke only!
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 11/25/2015 7:49:47 AM
Message 196 ...
Every single high ranking police official in Chicago should come under Federal investigation, including the mayor, who is trying to deflect this on Van Dyke only!
Absolutely ... especially the mayor. He is the head racist in Chicago. He's a product of his environment ... it's the way he was raised. Notice how he was able to keep it all under wraps so he could get re-elected.

It's really too bad the family didn't make a big stink about it. On the other hand, it was probably part of the $5 million settlement that they keep their feelings about it all under wraps. If that would have been my child ... no amount of money could have kept my mouth shut.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 189
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:13:17 AM
That murderous and violent police officer is in major league BIG trouble now.
I find it difficult to believe other Chicago P.D. officers did not know he was a "bad apple" along the way.
Society does not need people like him running around with a badge, a gun, and authority.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 190
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:24:00 AM
Well considering the way the "investigation" happened, it seems like this is standard operating procedure. They apparently wiped the security camera footage from the Burger King, intimidated witnesses, issued an official statement that a single bullet was fired and exonerated the officer as acting in self defense.

There is a culture that protects murderers. I can't imagine it's unique in Chicago given that similar stories have come to light ever since people started carrying smart phones.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 191
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:23:20 AM
After reading about the cold blooded killing in Chicago, I find a couple of things questionable (what a surprise, right?) An article I read stated that there were five other police officers there at the scene. When Van Dyke decided to go all Rambo and empty out his gun by pumping the guy full of lead, why didn't any of the other cops at the scene intervene-at least after the first or second shot, when it was clear the victim was not a threat to anybody, even though he wasn't a big threat to begin with, and appeared to be walking away when he was shot? Did they just stand by and watch the execution? If so, why aren't they charged for allowing a cold blooded murder to happen and not doing their job to protect the public?

Another thing I saw is the killer cop was assigned to desk duty afterwards, which means obviously he was still getting paid and not penalized-at least financially. It irks me when I read or hear stories where someone in the government and employed by the government screws up , and their punishment is a suspension with pay, or as in this case, assigned to a different position with pay. Why not get them where it hurts the most-in the pocket book?
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 192
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:30:57 AM

Posted by maleman999:
"Why not get them where it hurts the most-in the pocket book?"

This rogue officer will *really* be getting it where it hurts once he is put into prison.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 193
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:46:23 AM
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/25/chicago_police_officer_charged_with_murder

No one likes the schoolyard bully...until kids from another school come into the playground to cause trouble.

It will be interesting, a year or so from now, when this year's crime stats come out. No one can really agree whether or not the microscope cops have recently come under has resulted in them being less aggressive in keeping order on our mean streets...and if so, has that meant crime has actually gone up. Does "broken windows" really work, or does it destroy police-community relations? if it ruins them, is that really a problem

I suspect the answer to the last two questions is, "yes". I think militarizing police back in the days when SWAT was a TV show, teaching us that it was cool, has led us to where we are. I figure the real solution is the usual solution...get the idle people some jobs, something to lose if order is lost. Right now, the economy has them on the wrong side of "order". Let them be part of the solution, and they'll join in.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 194
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:21:59 AM
What is most galling is that the mayor knew and then called for calm.

And he is considered a liberal. Whadayano?
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 195
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:13:04 PM
There was a similar incident out near my neck of the woods-in Toronto- (or at least a similar outcome), and the trial is on going currently, with the cop being charged with 2nd degree murder. In 2013, an 18 year old guy, who seemed to be high, boarded a street car, and at some point, pulled out a knife and ordered to the street car to stop and ordered everybody off, which left him as the only person in the street car. The cops surrounded the street car, and instead of trying to negotiate to have the guy surrender, one of the cops decided to shoot him eight times. And for good measure, another cop decided to taser him afterwards while the guy is lying in a pool of blood dying or already dead.

The cop's defense team is arguing that the cop acted in self defense, and the 18 year old guy posed a threat to people around him, even though he was by himself in the street car and never made any attempt to get off and go after the cops or anybody else. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chicago legal eagles are following what's going on in the Toronto trial, since there are similarities in both cases and the justice systems are similar.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 196
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:13:00 PM

What is most galling is that the mayor knew and then called for calm.
Rahm Emanuel is a piece of garbage.

He was a piece of garbage when he was working in the White House.

His family history is full of murderers. He's garbage. Look it up ... you'll see.


And he is considered a liberal.
So what ... there's plenty of "garbage" conservatives out there too and you don't appear to be too incensed about that!
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 197
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:10:05 PM

Rahm Emanuel is a piece of garbage.
He was a piece of garbage when he was working in the White House.
His family history is full of murderers. He's garbage. Look it up ... you'll see.

Wow strong words.
I can only assume, having read your other posts that this strong feeling for the Honourable Mayor of Chicago is do to his Jewish heritage.


So what ... there's plenty of "garbage" conservatives out there too and you don't appear to be too incensed about that!

So it's not just a "conservative" thingy...
How about Hillary? Is Hillary a piece of garbage?
Because if one is to believe there are murderers in the Emanuel family tree (Jewish history no doubt), thereby making Rahm a "piece of garbage", then wouldn't one have to believe in the Clinton body count and ipso facto Hillary is a piece of garbage?
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 198
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Posted: 11/28/2015 7:28:36 PM
"How about Hillary? Is Hillary a piece of garbage?"

^^^^^^ I and others describe Hillary as an habitual liar.
 cotter
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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:35:24 AM
Message 206
How about Hillary? Is Hillary a piece of garbage?
Taking the thread off topic … yet again?

I thought we were discussing “Police Officers across the county should hold protests …” …

I was commenting on their good and/or bad deeds … and the extension of my comment was about a mayor who supported paying off a family to keep quiet about a despicable and horrible murder of a young man so he could get re-elected. I must say that if that had been my child, no amount of money could have kept me quiet.

Sooo … how does Hillary fit into to the discussion? Was she ever some sort of a Mayor that supported such a gesture?

Message 207
I and others describe Hillary as an habitual liar.
What would be the point of posting such a remark in a thread where we are supposed to be discussing “Police Officers across ……. “?

Why don’t you post that in a thread about Hillary?
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 200
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Posted: 11/29/2015 1:58:05 PM
How indeed. Simply if you could extend the thread to the family of Rahm Emanuel whom you seem to hate simply because he is a Jew and throw in a link to "garbage" conservatives then Hillary is fair game also.
What do conservatives and Rahm Emanuels family have to do with the thread topic?
So how bout it, is Hillary a "piece of garbage" due to her association to Bill?
Or is she all her own actions?
Remember Hillary has tried to cover up the truth behind 4 Americans including an Ambassador.
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