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 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 303
Women and Fake BeautyPage 13 of 18    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18)

Because dozens of sober women (AND men) are a better defense against assault than locking up just ONE animal. End of story.


By your logic, people have to remain sober because there is an animal running loose among them.

Hmm...okay.
You know, whenever a wild animal is spotted running loose around here. The Wildlife folks shoot it down with tranqualizers... or... shoot it down for good. Depends on situation.
Maybe that's the solution eh?



Hearton sweetie. I think what cassie is trying to do is bring light to the 3 good men and to the 3 unabused women in that 1-4 equation. Would you rather it be each and ever single one of us abused?
Seems that way though, which I believe is where your anger comes from and I totally get it. Blame the law.
Hence Crookcatcher's comment about seeing so many not getting what they deserve.
Sad.. but true. :/
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 304
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 1:33:44 PM

If I asked "Would you feel any different level of sympathy for a 5 year old or a 6 year old if sexually objectified by an uncle?" -- one wouldn't be confused and avoiding the answer and scoffing at the question saying "What do you mean objectified? In what way?"


How would anyone know he objectified her unless he acted on it? If he were seeing a young child as a sex object, you'd think he'd keep that to himself, yes?

And if I saw a naked person on a bus, I would assume he or she needed help, and I would step in. Does that answer your question?


Newoldgirl... did that boss that interview you not realize that he insulted the intelligence of the men in the company? He called them to stupid to know how to control themselves. As if there is something wrong with their breeding to which they can not work along side a "too pretty woman". The fact that he said that..........shows his own stupidity.


I agree it is insulting to imply men can't get anything done if there is an attractive woman in the room. Or, perhaps he had created and fostered an environment where he knew damn well the men would't treat me with respect. After all, the boss leads the way...

Either way...he was a stupid ass. A stupid ass with a job I wanted.
 Sweet_Danimal
Joined: 6/22/2012
Msg: 305
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 1:34:40 PM
I'm going to try to attempt to bring this thread around to it's original nature...
Is the idea that maintaining a particular look or image through false means (i.e. cosmetics and enhancements) a 'deal breaker'?

I say, no more so - than someone who buries tragedies and traumas of their past - avoiding them instead of realizing how much they have become a part of who you are. Embracing the past is NOT the same thing as re-living it.

Until a person reaches that level of self-realization, it's very difficult to allow yourself to 'see' you through the eyes of others. There's a serious difference between using cosmetics and tattoos and clothing and everything else to DEFINE who you really are, versus HIDE from who you are. Realizing how your life and 'look' and actions are seen by others - and not just how you WANT to be seen - makes all the difference. Carrying invisible chips on your shoulders because you are still burdening yourself with baggage from the past is no better than still wearing a 30 year old hairstyle because you are afraid to change.

Part of making online dating work is understanding how the communication 'rules' have changed via the internet. There is a learning curve to understanding how to properly convey information via text, selfies, smart phone use and Facebook posts and all sorts of other channels that never existed 10 years ago. Understanding how people's perception of you has changed along with the times is NOT an easy thing to learn. Punditry has replaced patience. Extremism plays more than examination. It's very tough keeping attention for more than a twitter remark any more.

I'll just close by saying this; Beauty shines from within. Whatever fakery may be on the surface truly does not matter. What's between the ears is what counts, not what is over them or hanging from them or surrounding them with any kind of selective 'image' or entourage. Nobody can change that. Nobody. No matter what kind of evils you get exposed to through this journey of life, it's still up to you, and you alone, to change the 'beauty' of that person within.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 306
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 1:47:24 PM

And just to be contrary and because I have an "attitude", how many women have been hired based on appearance? I'm sure many have, not all, not even some...but many.


One hundred percent of supermodels! (female)

One hundred percent of supermodels ! (male)

On a serious note, I think it is generally well-known that attractive people enjoy an unfair and unearned advantage in society. They even say people will vote for a taller man over a shorter man for president!

On another serious note, let's say that 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetimes.

Is the fact that many of those women have been assaulted more than once, by more than one man, taken into consideration?
 norwegianguy123
Joined: 10/27/2014
Msg: 307
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 1:57:54 PM

Why don't you think for a moment of being female get on a bus full of men in ... say India.

Uggh, India? Gawd this bus is going to smell like curry...

I'll even let you be fully dressed for this one and imagine what could really happen.

So I dress as a woman, too? Yeah, this is getting real weird... I think Bruce Jenner may like this little experiment, but not me, but okay.. :) I joke, but aside from the sexual touching, me dressed up as a woman with real time & effort and looking like a tranny, I'm definitely not going to feel as safe as going just my usual public nudity on a bus full of women instead. It actually Would be a nice (or not so nice) taste for a guy to experience it, going Jenner-tranny on a bus full of guys.

Then imagine you are well dressed, totally buffed standing in a party bus full women celebrating a bacherette.

Which is a WAY different comparison, though. Especially if not in India. I have a strong sexual unattraction to Indians, so that'd be even better.

Then come back and tell us about the difference of objectifaction between the male and female.

The objectification of my fraternal female twin-self in India on a bus full of dudes is going to be very different than me as a female twin-self on a bus full of dudes for a bachelor party here. In fact, of the 3 different scenarios -- which ones would be closer in resemblance? Both happening outside India, of either gender walking naked on a bus of a bachelor/bachelorette party. Now of those two, which is the most potential % chance of harm? The girl walking on the bus naked full of partying guys. I don't think that's being debated.

Yes, she may be fearless but you can bet that once standing inside that bus the possibility of her being raped and even killed is real and scares her no matter how brave and fearless she may be on the exterior

I'm honestly not trying to play technicality games. If a woman walks on a bus full of men -- or even full of women -- NAKED -- she's damn fearless. My point is, initially posing your question was assuming fear was out the window -- and instead, potential chance of harm. Realistically -- nobody who will have fear once standing in a bus buck-naked is going to walk to the bus stop buck naked and hop on it! Hence, by default, you Eliminating fear of being on a bus naked.

But let's say a woman & man magically appeared in a bus naked full of the opp-sex. Yes, fear is going to bring more (added) stress, thus pain. Varies from person to person of course to which degree, but yes, the fear-factor would add more stress (pain) when on there.

But are you going to have less sympathy for the guy being objectified/mistreated, coming off the bus Just As Hurt as said woman, when just as objectified/mistreated as said woman? Due to "Well, you know she had more to fear when walking on/appearing there..."? I don't understand why people have a hard time saying "No it wouldn't feel the same to me. I would feel less sympathy for a guy who expressed just as much hurt, being objectified in the same way, in the same situation against the opp-sex."
 ThePig0fYourDreams
Joined: 2/2/2015
Msg: 308
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 1:59:41 PM

I also know most men don't stand up against abusive men


I don't know about that. There's no shortage of "white knights" who actually look for "abuse" in a situation where it's not even occurring just to dazzle women with their "heroics". In these scenarios, it's all about their egos more than anything else, but still an example of their willingness to "stand up".

Unfortunately, starting at age 14, I was put into the position of having to "stand up" to an alcoholic stepfather who had a penchant for smashing up the house to scare my mother into going to buy him beer late at night because he was too drunk to drive himself.

He's been sober now for 10 years, and swears he doesn't even remember the vast majority of his marriage to my mother.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 309
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 2:01:40 PM
"Beauty shines from within. Whatever fakery may be on the surface truly does not matter. "

On this note Mr. Danimal.....

The beautiful inside me is off to do some beauty maintenance on the outside me.
Mani/pedi today.....hair salon tomorrow.

Ya'll know why? Cause Kj here is taking her 90 grandmother (who still has hair and nails done) out to dinner this weekend.
She tells me she's still looking for her sugar daddy.....and I told her we might have to cruise the nursing homes to find her one. ;)
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/13/2015
Msg: 310
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 2:06:52 PM
Maybe the reason why so many women are sexually assaulted by men as compared to men by women is that you can't make a guy have sex if he doesn't want to. This doesn't show that women are morally superior to men in this regard, it's just that women don't have the capacity to sexually assault a man even if they wanted to.
 Whatsamatterbaby
Joined: 5/6/2015
Msg: 311
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 2:11:41 PM
^ Nope. You're wrong. Women can and do sexually assault men. Doesn't get reported very often, though. Furthermore, a man's getting an erection doesn't imply consent.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 312
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 2:12:23 PM
Mr. Kissfromarose.....

Uh....yeah....no....I don't think that is it! Keep thinking about it though. :)
 Cognoscenti214
Joined: 9/10/2014
Msg: 313
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 2:49:23 PM

Maybe the reason why so many women are sexually assaulted by men as compared to men by women is that you can't make a guy have sex if he doesn't want to. This doesn't show that women are morally superior to men in this regard, it's just that women don't have the capacity to sexually assault a man even if they wanted to.


This shows a basic lack of understanding of what sexual assault is. First, it's not about sex. Further, a woman tying you up and anally sodomizing you with a baseball bat....is not really expected to give you an erection.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 314
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 3:04:24 PM

This shows a basic lack of understanding of what sexual assault is. First, it's not about sex. Further, a woman tying you up and anally sodomizing you with a baseball bat....is not really expected to give you an erection.


Yes. Rape and assault are expressions of violence and hatred.

Sexual objectification may or may not be present in the mind of the perpetrator.


I have a strong sexual unattraction to Indians, so that'd be even better.


Did you really just write that?

What do you hope to contribute to the conversation with that little tid-bit of information?
 Blackwood85
Joined: 5/20/2013
Msg: 315
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Posted: 5/20/2015 3:09:19 PM

^ Nope. You're wrong. Women can and do sexually assault men. Doesn't get reported very often, though. Furthermore, a man's getting an erection doesn't imply consent.


I've tried explaining this to people before both men and women and they seem to lack an understanding of this. Men can be raped, men can be sexually assaulted by women, I'm not sure why people think why sexual assault laws only apply to one gender and not the other.

Just like a girl getting wet doesn't imply consent neither does an erection.

It's just the bodies way of responding to what's happening to it whether we want it to or not, it's like being tickled against our will we may not want to be tickled but we can't stop laughing. It's pretty much another "Fight or flight" response that our bodies go through when something traumatic happens.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/science-arousal-during-rape
 norwegianguy123
Joined: 10/27/2014
Msg: 316
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 4:15:33 PM

How would anyone know he objectified her unless he acted on it? If he were seeing a young child as a sex object, you'd think he'd keep that to himself, yes?

Okay... I'll respond by saying what you said -- if/when a woman asks me the same question, as to whether I'd have any difference of sympathy between her 5 year old or her 6 year old being sexually objectified by their crazy uncle. OK. Re-reading your response that I'd give, I'm sure I'd get a 2nd date from her. ;)

Objectification isn't restricted to a mind-concept, nor assumed to be so when referring to someone being hurt or harmed about being sexually objectified. It's verbal and/or physical actions taking place that would be the assumption when asked. Would you have different levels of sympathy if such action was applied to a 5 year old and a 6 year old? If you ask "well, what was done?" then that'd imply that there are potentially different levels of sympathies had on the 5yo VS the 6yo when it comes to crazy Uncle Larry sexually objectifying them (or just avoiding answering it). :)

And if I saw a naked person on a bus, I would assume he or she needed help, and I would step in. Does that answer your question?

Actually, no. I wasn't asking would you help a naked guy on the bus. I was asking -- would you have more, less, or equal sympathy for the guy who was sexually objectified/mistreated in the manner and came off expressing just as much hurt, as the gal? It's a pretty simple question (tho emotionally complex to some)...

What do you hope to contribute to the conversation with that little tid-bit of information?

Not much more than "Uggh, India? Gawd this bus is going to smell like curry..," but technically more. Meaning I would explicitly lack even sexual attraction being on a bus full of women in India (which is true) -- not just merely lesser than a bus full of gals celebrating a bachelorette party here at home. That was just an added taste -- but to further explain the difference between the two as not an equal comparable example.

Further, a woman tying you up and anally sodomizing you with a baseball bat....is not really expected to give you an erection.

But if it does.... "Congrats new user, to your first successful POF date!" ;)
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 317
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 4:57:12 PM

Okay... I'll respond by saying what you said -- if/when a woman asks me the same question, as to whether I'd have any difference of sympathy between her 5 year old or her 6 year old being sexually objectified by their crazy uncle. OK. Re-reading your response that I'd give, I'm sure I'd get a 2nd date from her. ;)

Objectification isn't restricted to a mind-concept, nor assumed to be so when referring to someone being hurt or harmed about being sexually objectified. It's verbal and/or physical actions taking place that would be the assumption when asked. Would you have different levels of sympathy if such action was applied to a 5 year old and a 6 year old? If you ask "well, what was done?" then that'd imply that there are potentially different levels of sympathies had on the 5yo VS the 6yo when it comes to crazy Uncle Larry sexually objectifying them (or just avoiding answering it). :)



"" Sexual objectification is the viewing of people solely as de-personalised objects of desire instead of as individuals with complex personalities and desires/plans of their own. This is done by speaking/thinking of women especially as only their bodies, either the whole body, or as fetishised body parts.

Sexual attraction is not the same as sexual objectification: objectification only occurs when the individuality of the desired person is not acknowledged. Pornography, prostitution, sexual harassment and the representation of women in mass media and art are all examples of common sexual objectification. "" From: Finally, A Feminism 101 Blog.

NOW do you see that what you keep asking is ridiculous?

Child molesting is not the same as sexual objectification, ferfuksakes.

Here is a list of other things that are NOT objectification: sexual harassment, sexual assault, battery, sexual discrimination .

For the record, I feel sympathy for anyone who experiences any of these things, regardless of how they were dressed when it happened.
 cassie_smiles
Joined: 5/13/2015
Msg: 318
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:21:14 PM
^^^ by the quote above regarding "sexual objectification", this can happen to men as well. Women can also be highly sexual and prowl for a man for the night, the weekend or for just a good time and not a long time. Some women also like pornography, fetish and kink. Many women have no problem being an escort, yes, some street prostitutes are being pimped out or need the cash for drugs but I'm sure there are a few that are out there turning tricks of their free will. The same applies to strippers, many have paid their university education or a house by taking their clothes off for paying men. Sex sells, ask any marketing company and it sells everything. I'm sure there are one or two women that have maybe even worn a shorter skirt or lower top when asking for a raise or promotion. Sex sells even on the sub conscious level. Sex, sex and sexual objectification is not going anywhere quickly. Change is slow and it is changing thank goodness. But as long as men find women attractive and women find men attractive, boons on beer commercials and Hooters girls will not disappear from out landscape any time soon.

The above does not excuse sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape, abuse, etc. these are crimes and need to be dealt with.

Can we get away from the naked guy on the bus? Lol.
 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
Msg: 319
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:38:53 PM
Not sure how this morphed
There have been semi naked men on the bus..
Of course child molesting is objectification - they treat the child as a thing
The flame thing might spook some.. I prefer capping them. Women cannot predict who will be the attacker, nor can we march around ready to necklace them if they lift a brow
Wanna take back some power? Stop thinking of being anything than human
 IL_Capitano
Joined: 11/23/2012
Msg: 320
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:38:56 PM

And there IS a vast majority of men committing crimes
of one type or another against women and women are being
blamed for it and that's the issue here!
I and millions of other women and girls have been sexually abused
and if 1 in 4 girls is sexually a used then 1 in 4 men are doing the sexual abusing.


Bullshit

 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 321
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:41:01 PM

^^^ by the quote above regarding "sexual objectification", this can happen to men as well.


Absolutely it could.

I mean, I am having a difficult time coming up with lots of examples... or a few examples...or any examples at all...LOL But, yes it could happen based on the definition.

Okay, wait! I got one...Mrs Roper on Three's Company!


Sex sells even on the sub conscious level. Sex, sex and sexual objectification is not going anywhere quickly. Change is slow and it is changing thank goodness. But as long as men find women attractive and women find men attractive, boons on beer commercials and Hooters girls will not disappear from out landscape any time soon.


I think the classic example is the scantily clad woman posing with the sports car. I don't often see hunky men being used in ad campaigns but when I have seen it, it is often presented in a satirical way.


Can we get away from the naked guy on the bus? Lol.


Amen to that, Sister! LOL
 purplerider1200
Joined: 9/10/2011
Msg: 322
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:41:51 PM

Remember ladies, brake fluid, lighter (Bic is more reliable), aim away from living thing, spray first, then light the spray. IF God forbid some complete retard continues to approach you after, well just re-aim. You have 9 feet of steady, well fed fire between you and them.


Why not use a can of wasp spray? Stream accuracy, no lighting needed, and you get 25 feet spray range. Also handy for killing attacking wasps. Nasty stuff.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 323
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:44:13 PM
Ms. Newgirl.....

What about the Chippendales ? The movie "Magic Mike" ? :)
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 324
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:45:32 PM

and if 1 in 4 girls is sexually a used then 1 in 4 men are doing the sexual abusing.


Some women have been sexually assaulted more than once in their lifetime, and by different men. I am not a statistician, but if a man is a sexual offender, it would make sense that he would rape/molest/ assault more than once.

So...would that mean that a smaller fraction of men could be commuting the crimes?
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 325
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:51:13 PM

What about the Chippendale? The movie "Magic Mike" ? :)


I have to confess I had never heard of this...I googled. O my!

Well, if it were within power to protect any of those fine young men from being harassed or objectified, while they are just trying to earn a living, then I would absolutely defend them! I mean, if they needed my help. That Mike fellow looks pretty strong :)
 cassie_smiles
Joined: 5/13/2015
Msg: 326
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/20/2015 5:55:16 PM
Newoldgirl, you seem to be objectifying men in your comments. Is that right or did I read it incorrectly?

But, the Chippendale guys are making a living just like the female strippers, hookers and escorts. Sex sells to both genders.
 Blackwood85
Joined: 5/20/2013
Msg: 327
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:15:45 PM


And there IS a vast majority of men committing crimes
of one type or another against women and women are being
blamed for it and that's the issue here!
I and millions of other women and girls have been sexually abused
and if 1 in 4 girls is sexually a used then 1 in 4 men are doing the sexual abusing


When people talk about hating feminists it's views like this one that people hate.

My cousin was physically and sexually abused by his biological mother, my uncle ended up gaining custody of him though he didn't know about the abuse until well after he gained custody of him.

Women are capable of heinous acts against children, men and other women, what the **** is the argument actually about? Sexual objectification doesn't just apply to women it applies to men as well, it's a well known fact. I'm watching WWE NXT right now, men are wrestling in tights with their shirts off and some women are giving them "**** me" looks. I was in a club a few weeks ago walking through the dance floor to get to the bar and I'm getting groped by two middle aged women who aren't even trying to hide it, grabbing my arms, lifting my shirt up and feeling my body, one grabbed my crotch. If I'm not being objectified and harassed then I don't know what the definition is, I'm sure most men in here can attest to some random chick grabbing and forcefully kissing them in a bar or a club. I'm not complaining but it's happened more than enough times and I'm not that attractive.

Douchebaggery doesn't give a shit about your gender roles.
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