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Msg: 53
Women and Fake BeautyPage 3 of 18    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18)

i work out twice daily, including 30 minutes of cardio and 20 minutes of ballet, plus walking about 5 miles each day. i use minimal makeup because it's too itchy. and i don't have time to cover up the gray.

how fake do i look?

I don't care if what you're doing makes you "fake" or not, you are one damn fine looking woman.
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 54
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Posted: 5/16/2015 3:36:59 PM
I do hate the feel of make up, especially foundation, it looks & feels like a paste. So of course I really need it as my face is very blotchy red, oh well. My mother would never go outside without lipstick on, I mean even to dump the trash or get the newspaper off the porch, it always seemed so silly to me. But when she was young lipstick was important. Lipstick looks weird on me, always has, no color looked right, now all I do when I do wear make up once or twice a decade, is put on a tint, no greasy stuff. I know people who put on foundation and it makes their skin look smooth, it literally looks like paste sitting on top of my skin, I don't know what makes the difference, and it's not the color either.

I used to wear eye make up a lot, I had long eyelashes, people thought they were fake, now my lashes are being pushed down by the crepey skin on my eyelids and mascara doesn't even make them show up. It's interesting to me how skin ages so differently on each person. I should wear sunblock, i would if I was out in the sun for any length of time, but I'm not, just in and out of the car or to check the mail, so I don't burn like I use to.
Joined: 1/19/2014
Msg: 55
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/16/2015 10:46:05 PM

Read her profile, it's even more confusing. Attention seeking at the same time don't bother me.

Confusing would be an understatement.

Seriously, I don't get it. "Oh, I resent being pretty! But hey, check out my modeling pictures!"

Yet her post is being praised. What am I missing here?

As far as my profile goes, I am content with the people that I have in my life, though I do enjoy the forums here and have made friends along the way. Things change. I have been off and on this site for years. I am tired of having to come up with a different name every time something changes, and I'm tired of dealing with profile re-writes every few years.

I'm not looking for dates. But some of my best friends were met on POF, starting with coffee and conversation.

Doesn't mean that I "won't ever date again." Life happens, this is not a fairy tale and reality is what it is no matter how much Disney they put out.

As far as the modeling photos go, its not being pretty that I resent, and the modeling was my passion and my life for a third of my life. I haven't quit though things have slown down, and this is little different to me than a painter having photos of his paintings, This is my art. What I do resent is when all of who I am is summed up into that.

The same way any of you would be resentful if your whole person were summed up in your "equipment size" or your income or some other aspect of your life that is only one aspect of you.
Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 56
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/16/2015 10:53:24 PM
Fake Beauty? Well anything that might help improve a woman's self confidence within reason. I find the corset a bit much but at least it's not permanent like a boob or lip job. I see reports in the news here and there that they [a corset] can damage organs if worn too tightly and/or for too long. And of course permanent makeup like any body alteration can have repercussions. It does look like part of your goal is to save time?

A woman that is "that concerned" about bows and ribbons however wold not be a good match for me. I need/expect/demand a "confident" woman. One that could [IF NECESSARY] after a jog, working in the yard, cleaning out the garage or whatever, grab a quick shower, "throw on some clothes" and be out the door in 15 minutes. It would NOT ruin her entire day or week to go out into the public without spending 20 minutes to over an hour on her appearance/putting together her outfit. HER confidence comes from the inside as well as her outside. She does NOT need to compete with/against other women 24/7.

And let's be honest here. It's called makeUP not make down for a reason. Evolution 101 is that a "more attractive lady" will have more doors cracked open for her and/or simply flung wide open. But "Good Looks" are not any kind of guarantee... [they are merely an ADVANTAGE] especially if, when the ribbons and wrapping paper come off, the box is empty. It's NOT going to do any good to whine about it. It's NOT going to change. If anything it will only get worse. Society wants to place all the blame for this on men. I call BULLPOOP. There are more women than ever in charge of things out in the RW. I doubt many women are required by their employer to wear the latest and greatest in push up bras or spanx or hair extension or lipstick or makeup. How may employers would fire a woman if she were to stop coloring her hair and heaven forbid, try to do her job with some gray showing? I'm not knocking women for coloring their hair. I think most benefit from it. But SOME that are confident and have that special twinkle in their eyes can look great with gray.

It's OLD news. Even babies will turn their gaze toward more attractive faces. Silly shallow "male chauvinist pigs only wanting sex" don't have a lock on "I'm a sucker for a purdy face" thing. Men DON'T improve their chances dramatically in the RW by being handsome. Of course it helps but very few men will put the time, effort and money on clothes/putting together an "outfit" that women do. It's non productive for the most part.

All those magazines at the checkout of most any grocery store, Wally World etc. are there for a reason. What's on the cover of at least 75% of them? It's no accident. Societies obsession for female attractiveness is a multi billion dollar industry. Probably generates more money than porn, booze and cigarettes combined. I dare not include the sales from the "diet industry". I seriously doubt if it's men who are buying most of these magazines.

Nothing wrong with wanting to be attractive for men or women but women don't have to go whole hog and buy into every new beauty treatment, gadget or "procedure" to come along. Women DO have a choice. But being "more" attractive will likely mean she has more men approach her and/or want to converse with her. She will meet more men increasing her chances for finding a "good match". Getting POd and/or carrying a large log on your shoulder about this is not going to help one's attitude.

One last thing. It's ironic that so many women will whine about men in this regard. But they have little trouble "exploiting" this little fact of life. Is there any reason a woman needs to show cleavage in her main pic? Or ANY pic? Whether she has a lot or a little. Or have one of those shots from the side with her conveniently leaning forward on something with her boobs poked one way and her BEhind poking another, often with her clothing colors contrasting "mightily" with the background? I'm not complaining. Most ANY pic can be pulled off with class given enough takes.

A woman can get more men to her profile [THAT IS THE GOAL RIGHT?] simply by showing more skin in her main pic. Something as simple as bare shoulders or bare legs. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Men aren't privy to this major "advantage" that women have at least as far as OLD. But men don't need to be so "wrapped up" in their exterior packaging to compete for women. There has been numerous polls in the past here that ALWAYS reflect this as well as hundreds of polls in all sorts of places out in the RW for years. Men's attractiveness is almost never at the top of most women's "want" lists regardless of their age.

I have a weakness for "sweaty" women and the reason they are sweaty is irrelevant. Many of today's Women consider SWEAT a 4 letter word. I also think a woman can be "hot" with no makeup at all wearing nothing but a burlap bag and flipflops if she just so happens to "know" she is hot and has that silly little smirk on her face. We are all different. I think that's a good thing.

You? As so many have mentioned already... If it makes YOU feel any better or happy about yourself and does not cause you financial problems, it's YOUR body. Just be aware that with the relentless advance of medical technology, there are only going to be ever more "beauty treatments" of all kinds [and most will be new and improved of course] to come and I seriously don't think they will get any less expensive. True, going out of the US can save a woman serious bucks but can also be seriously dangerous.

You are likely already on a slippery slope at your age. No way for you to know if it's ever going to be enough?
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 57
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/16/2015 11:12:16 PM
people focus on what's important to them. they tend to find like-minded individuals, as a result. I used to know a fellow who at 50 yrs old would complain about his 20 yr old bride's immaturity. i'd point out he didn't marry her for her maturity, but her firm size 35's. turns out he wasn't all that mature for his age, either.

a beautiful woman can complain about what comes from being beautiful, and men will sympathize. An ugly woman can complain, and the men will...ditch Negative Nancy to go over to the beautiful woman to listen to more of her complaints, hoping one will be a way in. (that being said, I don't see Theo's profile confusing, but explaining a lot about her views. well, then again, I used to know someone who was poly, maybe I bring that to the equation. but she's got what works for her, and wouldn't work for the average person).

when I went to a rich kids' high school, I got to listen to the wealthy complain about how fake their friends were, and i'd say, "OK, stop flaunting Daddy's cash, and find out what its like to have one or two real friends." they'd look at me like I was the dumb one. they wanted Daddy's cash AND something real in their life. I'm sure they eventually found it, too. bully for them. they've excelled in ways I wish I had, and perhaps vice versa.

if you are above average in personality and/or intelligence, its not difficult to talk to an attractive person and decide, "wow, once I remove my blinders, its clear this hottie doesn't see life the way I do, or think like I do, or act like I do. their beauty must be skin deep." but if you can actually land them in bed, and THEN complain that they are average in personality or brains...then you are the one who's the fool who's fooled themselves.

personally, i'd try surgery if for some magical reason it could be done for $1000 (I just don't find my appearance worth blowing much more than that. not really the dress-up type either). I developed my personality due to a result of my looks, so it'd be nice to spend the rest of my life with the benefit good looks gives to other people. there are people out there who were blessed with good looks and have cruised thru life on it--one's my best friend, at age 58 she's finally mellowing out but living like Barbie means she won't retire until 70, maybe. they shall find like-minded individuals. and be just as happy, or unhappy, as the rest of us.

our own happiness, however....that's our responsibility. its not up to someone hot to make us love what we see in the mirror.
Joined: 4/30/2015
Msg: 58
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/16/2015 11:12:49 PM

As far as my profile goes, I am content with the people that I have in my life, though I do enjoy the forums here and have made friends along the way. Things change. I have been off and on this site for years. I am tired of having to come up with a different name every time something changes, and I'm tired of dealing with profile re-writes every few years.

Oh, hmmm, you deleted all that detailed text in your profile about your very complicated poly lifestyle. And at the same time say you aren't interested in meeting anyone but furnished numerous modeling photos. Seems you are looking for something, maybe you don't know what it is yet?

Most people prefer the natural look, some prefer to don fake beauty. The good thing about life is we can change our minds whenever we want and recreate ourselves. Just don't shave or pluck out all your eyebrows, they don't always grow back.
Joined: 1/19/2014
Msg: 59
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/16/2015 11:25:39 PM
My profile has not changed. I also put up a range of photos, from fresh showered no make up to eyeliner and mascara to the full on 10 minute make up job done with Dollar General cosmetics. Yes ladies you can do primer, foundation, bronzer, eyeliner, mascara and lipstick in 10 minutes with the cheap shit.
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 60
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 3:31:05 AM
and sometimes, the most beautiful thing a woman can put on her an intelligent expression. Kate Moss rocking the heroin look years back? not many fans outside the cosmetic world. The blank expression is of course designed to not distract from the clothing, hence the "clotheshanger" term.

but for the "average Josephine", a great look can simply be the approachable look. Sometimes young girls look attractive b/c they have so little real stress in life--Daddy's paying the bills. "Come hither" may be better than, "what do you have to offer that makes my daily life easier?"

of course, it works both ways. Guys who look at women with the expression that clearly says, "will your body be hot enough for me?" are in for an uphill battle. looking at people to see what they can do for you, isn't attractive no matter how much makeup or Hugo Boss suit you put over it.
Joined: 2/2/2015
Msg: 61
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 4:00:54 AM

As far as the modeling photos go, its not being pretty that I resent, and the modeling was my passion and my life for a third of my life. I haven't quit though things have slown down, and this is little different to me than a painter having photos of his paintings, This is my art. What I do resent is when all of who I am is summed up into that.

I suppose I'm still not getting it. I don't see how it's any different than a millionaire complaining that his money is always the primary focus with women, yet he posts pictures of himself holding up a fan of one hundred dollar bills.

You claim your appearance is causing problems. If it's really that bad, then I suppose you have to decide what's more important. Displaying your "art" or displaying more of what you're wanting to be embraced for the most.
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 62
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 4:11:08 AM
oh look at me i'm so tired of being beautiful because that's all people see, now here's a picture of my ass sticking way the hell out there just in case you missed it. and what a fine ass it is, don't you agree.

This is my art. What I do resent is when all of who I am is summed up into that.

it would be like assuming Picasso was a nice guy just based on his paintings, when he was really an ***hole but nobody cared because all they wanted to do is look at his paintings.
Joined: 3/30/2012
Msg: 63
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Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 4:40:31 AM
I can think of 3 things I would do if the money was just laying around and not needed elsewhere.

Perma liner is def one.
A bit more bottom lip.
Tighten jawline, but not to tight..

We all AGE, we all have "imperfections" real or perceived.
You need to feel good as long as you are realistic and dont have BDD, which no amount of cosmetic changes will help.

Oh geez someone didn't like one of my posts ( or me) and reported my pic as a nudie?
How bored can you be?
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 64
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 4:54:00 AM

I feel like a clown when I wear make-up, especially lipstick.

yeah. it's gross plus it smears all over my wine glass. who needs the hassle
i guess when you drink straight out of the bottle it doesn't matter so much, huh?
one time i put on some blue eyeshadow and drew my lipstick A R O U N D the mouth....
taught my aunt a lesson when she asked me one day why i never 'fix myself up a little'.
she left me alone after that, the b1tch.
Joined: 5/1/2015
Msg: 65
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 4:55:37 AM

Oh geez someone didn't like one of my posts ( or me) and reported my pic as a nudie?
How bored can you be?

Someone reported ALL of mine too. But I don't care. Don't have time for this petty nonsense. Children can play their games amongst themselves lol.
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 66
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 5:28:23 AM
Added another scar yesterday in the backyard. Tried to take one of my fingers off with my new pruners, and in the chaos afterwards, tripped and smashed my shin on one of the boulders.

Note to self;

new pruners are sharp and,

rocks are hard.
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 67
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Posted: 5/17/2015 5:53:03 AM

As far as the modeling photos go, its not being pretty that I resent, and the modeling was my passion and my life for a third of my life. I haven't quit though things have slown down, and this is little different to me than a painter having photos of his paintings, This is my art. What I do resent is when all of who I am is summed up into that.

The same way any of you would be resentful if your whole person were summed up in your "equipment size" or your income or some other aspect of your life that is only one aspect of you.

I'm not entirely sure I completely understand this. I of course understand what the words say, it's the overall perception I'm not clear on.

As far as I can tell, pretty much every human, as a matter of course, "sum up" each other human in some way. It's certainly a drag that everyone does this, but there's no escaping it. I don't understand why you seem to be extra bothered by the modeling portion of some other peoples' misunderstanding of you, in particular.

I don't resent being thought of as a "fix it guy," per se. It's a drag that certain people who I wish cared about me as a man, think of me only as a fix-it guy, but that's just the way real life goes.

I guess what I'm getting at, is that since you titled this to be about "fake beauty," the problem you appears to be with how you think about modeling, as being all about fakery. Is it that you resent those who think of you as a model, because you see yourself as a fake beauty while modeling? Or is it just that you keep running into people who have prejudices about all professional models, and push for you to act like their fantasy?

I guess I'm not understanding the right details about this whole concern.
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 68
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Posted: 5/17/2015 6:37:10 AM
@Walts....OUCH! I felt that!!!

Just drink some whiskey and then you'll feel no pain....;-)


Interesting post, but disagree that men's appearance isn;t important. The numbers of men who are getting plastic surgery are on the rise, and many men now dye their hair as well...Gray doesn't look 'distinguished' on everybody...on some it just makes them look older,....and to remain 'competitive', not even sure what that means!, in 'today's world', men are now apparently joining the rat race of 'staying young'....Or that's what the media would like you to believe....
I will agree about female attractiveness being a cornerstone to our society on all levels, though....

Are there things about myself that I'd like to change? Of course! More and more as I age....Thing is, I've had a lot of surgery in my Life, and I guess I'm just not that into voluntary pain....Same reason that I don;t have tattoos...
They weren't 'in' when I was younger, and by the time they were, well, let's just say, having my skin pierced by needles and ink, with MY fair and ridiculously delicate skin???? Yeah, I'd probably end up with some kind of opportunistic infection that would KILL me with MY luck!!! LMAO Not to mention additional and voluntarily seeking out that pain just seems...counterproductive for

I have no problem with plastic surgery, in general...I mean why not improve things if it's possible, and it seems like virtually anything IS these days....
I just have a difficult time understanding any young woman of the OP's age, without any gross deformities, would feel it necessary to undergo potentially life-threatening surgery to 'look better'....

The truth is that as I age I see more and more the beauty of youth...just plain, old, youth.

ALL young, healthy people have it no matter how the world evaluates appeal.

I am far from the ideal, but I know that I never even considered having any kind of surgery at that age, regardless....


You make some interesting points....For me when I lost a lot of weight , oh, about 30lbs, the first time, I was only 13. What did I know about anything at that point? So, yes, it WAS a big surprise to see the difference in how the world reacted to me, in my new 'self'.

As far as more men being attracted to me, yes there were, and MY experience was that those who WEREN'T attracted to me before the weight loss, who now were, turned out to be largely interested in me for a fling or a ONS, etc. and really had no more interest than that as in who I was as a human being....that was within the group and area that I was hanging around back then and, granted, largely comprised of teens and young adults...

I saw over the years that although looking better did afford me more choice, that wasn't necessarily a good thing all of the time. There WERE a lot more men who were interested and a lot more who I had to weed through who clearly were ONLY interested in sex, or that I gave them 'cred' in some fvcked up way....

I mean being attractive is not usually a bad thing, and for the most part, I never had to do much in the way of make up or clothes to look good, thank the Gods, because frankly, for the most part, can't really be bothered...
Most of the men that I've known, can't believe how little time I take to get ready to go out, and after having some close female friends, I can understand why!!! lol

The point is, although there are days where slapping on some tinted lip gloss and mascara and actually blow drying my hair rather than letting it dry naturally, will give me the added boost that I may need to get out in the world, if my very sense of self-worth is derived from how I look, well, what the HELL am I going to do when I'm old and gray and the amount of 'upkeep' to continue to defy age is just eating away at the little time I have left?

I, for one, will not be scrambling to appear to be something other than what I am as I have for all of my Life strove to do....

The way I see it what is on the insides at that point will be so much more important, so, I should work on taking care of that before anything, and know that when people get tired of looking at me, at least they'll be interested in what I have to say!!! lol
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 69
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 7:45:08 AM
I think that when it comes to enhancing your natural look, you have to consider the costs/benefits/risks of what you are doing. Applying makeup and styling your hair seem pretty innocuous. I personally don't like to spend TOO much time on this, but 20 minutes or so gives me the benefits I need. So, what is the risk? Would a man see me without makeup and run away screaming? I hope not! Generally, I do like for a potential partner to see me with no makeup pretty early on just so he knows what he is getting! LOL. My eyelashes are skimpy without mascara, and I get a blemish from time to time, but I don't think the makeup (as I apply it) gives a ridiculously false impression.

There was a time a few years back when I was carrying a bit too much weight for my liking, and I tied SPANX. These industrial strength garments encase your blubber like a sausage, and give a slightly smoother look. I WAS able to get into a skirt that was a bit too tight with regular undies. Those were the benefits. The COST of wearing! I took them off before I left the house! They felt very restrictive, uncomfortable, numbing, and unnatural. Since they sell tons of them, I suppose there must not be any real risks, but I would say not worth it!

I have no problem with people getting surgery to improve their appearance. Apart from the medical risk, I believe some folks run the risk of not being happy no matter what they have done, but that is a whole other can of worms...
Joined: 12/28/2013
Msg: 70
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 9:04:18 AM

Oh geez someone didn't like one of my posts ( or me) and reported my pic as a nudie?
How bored can you be?

That's what happens, your picture is deleted? Don't people there review the report first. Punish the false reporter, not the innocent one.

I had an interview with HR at POF once. It was interesting.
Joined: 5/12/2015
Msg: 71
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 9:08:36 AM
Like many of these forums questions, the answer is, "It depends." It depends on who you are asking.

Some people won't like the enhancements but that's okay, you clearly aren't a match for those anyway. If you are the type of person who puts a lot of effort into presenting themselves, then you have to find someone who appreciates that. It seems that you put a considerable emphasis on what you look like and whether you view that as putting forward a fake representation of your true self or whether you see that as enhancing what you have, is down to individual view points. You just need to find someone who understands that it's an important part of who you are vs someone who wants their partner to just get up and go in a short time frame.

NB - not all natural looking people are "plain". There are those who can roll out of bed looking stunning without a stitch of make up and minimal effort. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there aren't.
Joined: 1/19/2014
Msg: 72
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 9:25:46 AM
Its experience.

Generally I'm a pretty normal chick who dolls up for work.

What I have been told over the years is that "I'm intimidating". WHY? I don't get it.

I got emails from nice, laid back normal men that I wouldn't have minded getting to know that the first LINE of is "I wasn't going to email you because I just KNOW I wouldn't have a chance" - How could you know that if you've never spoken to me? Wait, I said the M word. That derogatory term that AUTOMATICALLY equates me with the diva scum of the earth that flaunts looks to "gold dig" a man, who's got bubbles for brains and is generally "better than you high horse ego super**** to ALL humans other than the rich and attractive.....

Its the auto stereotypes that come with my industry that bother me.
Joined: 1/19/2014
Msg: 73
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 9:28:56 AM
I mean seriously, I have a modeling photo up and even the forums AUTOMATICALLY go to "look its an attention seeker look at me look at me".

I get this in chat rooms as well. "she's only here to be paid attention to."

Apparently model is the only human being that is NOT allowed to socialize with normal people without an ultimatum.

Its not that all of us are the horror story train wrecks you see on tv. What it is is that we are ALL seen this way and the moment that you are known as "model" you are now a stain on society, part of some "fantasy elite" that can't possibly be normal or know what "down here on earth" is. The knife in the back, attack it first because it should stick with its own kind" response.
Joined: 7/14/2014
Msg: 74
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 9:46:18 AM

Apparently model is the only human being that is NOT allowed to socialize with normal people without an ultimatum.

I don't necessarily think all models perceive it that way.

I contracted with Playboy for over six years and have escorted some of the most physically beautiful women on the planet. Due to that I spent a lot of down time with them behind the bustle of cameras and interaction with the public. With the exception of maybe one or two they all came across as well.....normal people as far as their interaction with others and likewise those towards them.

It's unfortunate your experiences have made you feel that way.
Joined: 6/27/2011
Msg: 75
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Posted: 5/17/2015 9:56:30 AM
@Theophannia...I'm guessing the jeans picture is the culprit. I see nothing wrong with your pictures.

On the other hand, here's fake to the extreme...
Joined: 3/30/2012
Msg: 76
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Posted: 5/17/2015 10:26:15 AM

Don't have time for this petty nonsense. Children can play their games amongst themselves lol.

Actually, I was told that you did it.

That's what happens, your picture is deleted?

No, you need more than one report and you do get warnings.
I deleted it and put it back, so the same reporter cant report again and it count.

Anyone can look hot with the right make up, lighting, clothes or lack of clothes .
Genetic marvels? Not usually.

Remember that show The Swan?
They would take a few women that had more than their share of "flaws" and make them all look the same.
Same veneers and crowns, same hair extensions, same nose, severe dieting and surgeries..Disaster of a show..
Thats not beauty to me (having everyone look alike), but its what a lot of people want.
Astounding beauty is unusual/different to me.
Joined: 1/19/2014
Msg: 77
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/17/2015 11:44:47 AM
@ Cooldog65 - Oh hell no............

Honestly the only thing I would alter is my chest size, as I am naturally that woman who's chest literally sticks out only 1/2 inch from her breastbone, can't hold up a bikini better than a pre-teen. Wouldn't want to go large either, just enough to distinguish that I am an ADULT FEMALE that fits my frame correctly. The average MAN has a larger chest that me.
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