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 Eternityboreme
Joined: 3/18/2015
Msg: 103
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I'm thinking there's no amount of cosmetic surgery that can fix me.


You're full of it. You don't need it at all. :P
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 104
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 4:30:32 AM
Mr. Cognoscenti.....

 "How about personality? Character? Integrity? Humor? Intelligence? These are the things most women seek in a man."


Some of us to do not wear make up or dress to please others. Some of us actually vary our make up enhancements and style of dress precisely to express our personality, character, sense of humor and moods. :)



"BTW, you look gorgeous. "

Thank you for the compliment but based upon your logic....it must mean that you find "shallow and low self esteem" attractive. ;)



"Only you can decide if that's really working for you or not."

Based upon the fact that I was fortunate to have been married to a man who loved me... artificially enhanced or au natural....but could be rendered speechless when I really put effort into my appearance.....I would say.....yes....it worked very well for me.


And Joey.....

It is a dance....and the beauty is....sometimes it is a passionate tango....a sweet waltz.....a light-hearted two step and if you're lucky....it is all of these and many more!

And this....
."my misogynist ways"

You are funny! But I can see that your sense of humor matches your high intelligence....handsome good looks....and natural charm. ;)
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 105
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 5:07:15 AM

Seriously, I get it. Just like all of us I was raised in a culture where women paint their faces and ruin their feet in high heels, all to attract a man. I have never known a place where women look natural and feel good about it. So yes, I look at a woman in makeup and - consciously - respond positively to it. We've all been indoctrinated to do so. But again, I also look at that woman and wonder why she is so insecure. Why is she so desperate to attract a man that she debases herself in this way?

i'd be more inclined to question the 'indoctrination' of a man who says he's more attracted to women who wear makeup and high heels but claims at the same time that they're debasing themselves by doing so. it seems kind of sexist.


but we're thinking to ourselves "what kind of fool would do this to themselves?"
the legacy of women as less than men,

these statements say so much more about what's going on inside that head of yours as a reaction to whatever gets in your eye, than it explains why women everywhere are doing it all wrong. it's called 'confirmation bias', 'Just sayin'.'
 Vannili
Joined: 7/8/2008
Msg: 106
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Posted: 5/18/2015 8:21:15 AM
Msg.#1:

As a woman , I believe that you have to enhance your looks, by grooming, by good status, and good morals. It is a big mistakes for some girls that showing their tits and ass , glamour looks , that they can retain the attention and love of a man, they sure look cheap as a person. They represent their self as good for nothing, but disposable sex objects.
I don't believe on fake beauty, like eyebrows ,eyelids, lips tattoos and cosmetic surgeries, I believe to be a true person "what you see is what you get".. I know I am not a candidate for a Beauty Pageant but my attitude surpassed my looks , I can motivate a person makes feel good about his / her self, and that makes me enchanting and attractive to people. In other word > using your mind to communicate, good representation ,is CHARISMA....
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 107
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 8:45:36 AM

Well No, I wouldn't leave her there, but I would end the date early. I can state that if I am going somewhere dressed up she would already have known the proper attire for the event(I am crystal clear when I talk), and just was careless to make the effort. Thank god it never has happened to me(that i remember)


Of course, a person should dress appropriately for the occasion. I merely question high heels being part of it. I am by no means "careless" when it comes to dressing and grooming. I'm prepared to go to certain efforts for "beauty". For example, I keep my hair long, even though I would prefer it short, because it looks better on me. I just won't wear heels. They hurt my feet, and they affect the center of gravity. I agree with looking nice, and all, but I draw the line when it comes to pain.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 108
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 8:53:46 AM
1) in some cases, the haterade poured on models and celebrities--by men and women--is jealousy. they see the person making a living off their looks not as a person with a job, but as thing to obtain. "i can't date her" or "i can't look like her" and suddenly its, "well, let's put her down to raise ourselves up"

2) me, I shave b/c i'm losing hair on top so I don't like the way i'd look. its the only "cosmetic surgery" I do. Ties? I love neckties b/c I don't do jewelry, so after diver's watches, a tie is my way to accessorize. except now I only need to wear one to weddings or funerals, and at wakes a tie of 1950 Buicks or the American flag on canvas just doesn't seem appropriate.

character, integrity, etc, is important. but no one walks up to a crappy house to see if the inside looks nice.

4) there is good attention, and bad attention. a school in my state made the news b/c they are enforcing prom dress code. parents are ticked off their kids can't "show off skin" and be proud of their bodies by showing off half of them. I;m not sure how a teen showing off her belly gets good attention at a prom. i'd think good fabric and style might eclipse "fake beauty". but then I'd rather be complimented on my nice pair of pants than my nice ass. i'd rather draw attention to my choice of clothes rather than my baby ass I was born with. but had I gone to the gym and worked hard for that ass, well, I guess then i'd want to be comoliments upon my work.
 clemtuckerofcourse
Joined: 5/7/2015
Msg: 109
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 9:23:57 AM
I always say: To be well dressed you must be well naked.
Oscar de la Renta
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 110
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 9:36:46 AM

Of course, a person should dress appropriately for the occasion.



Men and women have painted their faces for eons and men have also worn wigs and jewellery and fancy dress.



Read the first quoted line and you MAY understand why you feel that it's okay to paint and doll yourself up. If you believe your self esteem improves with such tactics, maybe it's time to look in the mirror and rethink your "beliefs". I mean, really, if all it takes is a little makeup, a pretty dress, or a pair of shoes to make you "feel" something good about yourself, you may, just may have other things to worry about.

I'm still wearing my phucking crocs when I feel like it.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 111
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 10:10:09 AM

That's a logical consequence of a patriarchal culture that looks down on women as 2nd class humans.


Now this is interesting. It has been suggested that certain practices purporting to be about female beauty and attractiveness my also have the more nefarious purpose of putting women and girls at a disadvantage.

For example, wearing high heels certainly puts a woman in a position of being unable to run away. Good thing you can take them off.

The Chinese valued "dainty" feet so much that they bound girls' feet so they would remain small. The women were effectively hobbled. They literally couldn't get away.

Even long fingernails may put a woman in a position of not being able to do certain things. Symbolic? I dunno....makes you think, though. What is the purpose of long fingernails other than as a sign to society that you are not required to work with your hands to earn a living? I prefer a neatly trimmed natural look myself, but then I am not imagining my hands wrapped around anything particular! LOL

I would say that the MONEY women spend on this crap certainly can put them at an economic disadvantage, if they were not already there.

Women's clothing can be as inexpensive as men's, but men can get by with fewer changes. ( This reminds me of the experiment done by a male newscaster who wore the same sport coat for almost a year before anyone noticed....OR cared! )

Shoes? Only well-off men would consider paying close to a thousand dollars for a pair of shoes. The trouble here is that even the average earning woman seems to be tempted to fork out for the Jimmy Choos. The attitude toward female spending in this area is disproportionate.

Grooming? Across the board women spend many times what men do. Sure, my sons buy moisturizer for men, but women buy all the skin care stuff PLUS makeup. Men generally have a tube of hair gel in the bathroom drawer, but that is nothing to what women pay to get haircuts, and maintain their hair on a daily basis.

Nail care? Craziness. Pure and simple. It makes me absolutely cringe when I hear of little girls having birthday parties where they all go for mani-pedis! Seriously, do little boys sit around passively trying to transform their perfectly good finger and toenails in to works of art, or are they actually encouraged to go out there and DO something?

Surgery? Sure, men will get nose jobs, braces, and lipo surgery, but the big ticket and more ubiquitous breast implants, tummy tucks and NOW vaginal rejuvenation are all for women.

It is sad state of affairs when young women are spending a substantial chunk of their take-home pay on things directly related to their appearance. My sons ( in their 20s) like to spend their disposable income going out and DOING things. The definitely spend very little money on looking good. Mind you, they are naturally handsome! LOL.

Are men making women do this? I really don't know. I know women are doing this to themselves in large part, especially the things that can be easily observed by others...I am guilty of spending more money than I need to on my hair, because it looks pretty to everyone. However, when it comes to grooming, plucking eyebrows and shaving legs is no longer enough. Women are paying good money (at least $50 where I live ) to have their pubic hair ripped out by the roots. I am thinking that trend could only have been started by the major consumers of porn, and yes, that would be men.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 112
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 10:25:39 AM

Read the first quoted line and you MAY understand why you feel that it's okay to paint and doll yourself up. If you believe your self esteem improves with such tactics, maybe it's time to look in the mirror and rethink your "beliefs". I mean, really, if all it takes is a little makeup, a pretty dress, or a pair of shoes to make you "feel" something good about yourself, you may, just may have other things to worry about.


Oh, I agree. I am quite guilty, although to a lesser extent than some people I know.

Does it have to be all or nothing? As I said, I draw the line at pain, AND too much expense, but of course, these things are subjective.

I wearing cover up makeup when you have a blemish the same as getting your lips pumped full of God-knows-what to have "pouty-er" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) lips?

There is also something to be said for time and place. I am sure you wear something other than crocs SOMETIMES!
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 113
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 10:28:55 AM

Women are paying good money (at least $50 where I live ) to have their pubic hair ripped out by the roots. I am thinking that trend could only have been started by the major consumers of porn, and yes, that would be men.



I tend to think it's women in a case of one-upmanship.
A woman thought, hey I do better than you. Hey look! A brazillian! The guys all go "ohhh ga ga ga ga". The women see the reactions and follow suit. The next woman says I can do even better than that. Hey look! A brazillian ...on a prettier package! The guys all go "Oh ga ga ga ga" and the women see their reactions.
The number of tummy tucks, lipos and vaginoplasty performed goes through the roof.
The men all go "Oh ga ga ga ga" while the women go .........................broke.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 114
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 10:41:27 AM

The guys all go "Oh ga ga ga ga" and the women see their reactions.
The number of tummy tucks, lipos and vaginoplasty performed goes through the roof.
The men all go "Oh ga ga ga ga" while the women go .........................broke.


I am so old, that I remember the days when a healthy red-blooded man might go ga-ga-ga in the presence of a naked woman, even when her hoo-ha wasn't bald or bedazzled! LOL
 SLAFFA
Joined: 8/13/2007
Msg: 115
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 10:54:09 AM
I suppose it's entirely possible that I missed it?

I have yet to see even one lady within this thread, claiming she was FORCED against her will, to do anything to improve her "appearance".

Regardless of how much time, effort or money any woman will put into her appearance, it's her CHOICE to do so.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 116
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Posted: 5/18/2015 10:54:13 AM
Well if I'm going to a nice restaurant and my date shows up in shorts and a t-shirt and crocs, well, yes, I WILL have a problem with that...

Sorry Walts...lol

As far as looking better having something to do with self-esteem...Actually nothing wrong with that whatsoever, as self-esteem is about being proud of yourself for what you do, which may include how you present yourself to the world....

Now if looking good is vital for your sense of self-worth, then yes, there may be a problem....

I have worked at enough jobs where what I look like has little to nothing to do with the job itself and my work clothes are far from flattering....That doesn't in any way detract from my sense of self-worth at ALL....I am comfortable enough in my own skin that always having make up on or my hair done, etc. is not necessary for me to feel good about myself....

If I am going out to a show or a club however, then yes, I will take more care with my appearance as that is the appropriate venue to do so....

It's not rocket science....
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 117
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 11:00:15 AM

I am sure you wear something other than crocs SOMETIMES!


Yes, I've been known to wear waders. Not those old neoprene ones though. I wear the fancy dancy gortex nowadays. They still stink though.


Well if I'm going to a nice restaurant and my date shows up in shorts and a t-shirt and crocs, well, yes, I WILL have a problem with that...


Why????

Because of what you have decided, by yourself, as what is "appropriate" or not?????

Here's a secret. You, never came with what is, or isn't "appropriate" all by yourself. In fact, you and any other individual have been told/taught was is and isn't. All relative to where you are at the time, by the way.
 Whatsamatterbaby
Joined: 5/6/2015
Msg: 118
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 11:10:06 AM

I have yet to see even one lady within this thread, claiming she was FORCED against her will, to do anything to improve her "appearance".

Regardless of how much time, effort or money any woman will put into her appearance, it's her CHOICE to do so.


Sure, but she still has to do what is necessary to get some lovin.
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 119
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 11:13:58 AM

I tend to think it's women in a case of one-upmanship.

^^^that. women are very competitive. they will say they're dressing for men, but they're also dressing for each other.

you know that if you get a new dress or whatever the guy isn't even going to notice unless it's on the floor.
 BelleAtlantic
Joined: 11/7/2012
Msg: 120
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 11:14:01 AM
^^^^

We're already born with the necessary parts, one of them looks like an upside down triangle :-P
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 121
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Posted: 5/18/2015 11:16:13 AM

Why????

Because of what you have decided, by yourself, as what is "appropriate" or not?????

Here's a secret. You, never came with what is, or isn't "appropriate" all by yourself. In fact, you and any other individual have been told/taught was is and isn't. All relative to where you are at the time, by the way.


Well, for me it's really about semantics more than anything, and I DO know people that refuse to dress in any way other than is comfortable for them.....More power to them....

Also, I'm really NOT that easily 'led', nor influenced, but I DO enjoy getting dressed up for special occasions and going to places that may have a dress code for say, an anniversary or over the x-mas holiday....Something about a guy in a well tailored suit....ahem... but I digress....LOL

I don't often go out anywhere with any kind of dress code, but there will be times in my Life, such as say New Year's Eve that I may wish to, and very simply, if I'm with someone who is 'against' dressing according to that dress code as a matter of principal for him, to that degree, then he is very simply not the man for me....

Sometimes it;s fun to get all dressed up and go out on the town, imo, and I guess I want to be with someone who also likes to do that on special occasions, simple really....just an occasional preference...not a conspiracy of any kind.....
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 122
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Posted: 5/18/2015 11:42:10 AM
appropo of about nothing....i'm not a big fan of grown men failing to dress up for a wedding or a funeral. say what you will about women putting on lipstick (made from rendering from animal fat cut off steaks, and I remember Rick Dees once saying a woman swallows seven pounds of it on average in her lifetime, yick), men who go to special events without bothering to wear something special...I think it doesn't take a lot of respect to wrap a tie around your neck.

then again, I went to a Catholic high school. learning a full Windsor knot was like learning how to shave--just accepted as a part of growing up. of course, YMMV

on a side note...if women are dressing to compete with each other, why are they competing on appearance? why not compete on brains? or personality? why should women in general focus on the outer appearance of other women as a measure of how *whatever* the other women in the room are? why not focus on how smart the other women are, or how they match colors and patterns so well?
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 123
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 11:49:47 AM

^^^that. women are very competitive. they will say they're dressing for men, but they're also dressing for each other.


LOL...but motown, that comment was about Brazilian waxing!
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 124
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 12:02:53 PM
oh no what did I just say.... (I read belle's post and thought wtf is she talking about?) thanks for the warning!
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 125
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 12:03:36 PM

Because of what you have decided, by yourself, as what is "appropriate" or not?????

Here's a secret. You, never came with what is, or isn't "appropriate" all by yourself. In fact, you and any other individual have been told/taught was is and isn't. All relative to where you are at the time, by the way.


Doesn't that last part contradict what you just said?

As you say, it matters where you are. There are places like a court of law, a funeral, a business meeting, where most people conform to the expected standards.

On a date, my standards are what count. The same goes for you.

If your date thinks your crocs are sexy, great!
 VolkanoKing
Joined: 8/1/2014
Msg: 126
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 12:34:39 PM
"on a side note...if women are dressing to compete with each other, why are they competing on appearance? why not compete on brains? or personality?"

Probably because it's the very first thing that people notice and makes the biggest impact.

Also, I still am not convinced most people care what a woman's career/accomplishments/personality are. It's looks first. It just simply makes a bigger impact on people. There must be some ingrained, instant impact that a woman's looks has on EVERYONE that will determine how she is judged. As much as I would prefer to see an alternative explanation, I haven't found one yet.

Have a mousy looking woman walk into the room who is the CEO of a Fortune 500. Then, have a super hot woman walk in who bags groceries. Guess who is going to get the heads up.
 Kissfromarose77
Joined: 4/13/2015
Msg: 127
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 1:06:46 PM

That men feel hate or despise women is their issue and has complex reasons. Men objectify and marginalise women because of their need to demean, feel a certain power and to be superior...


Women also objectify men, but they have a different way of doing it. Instead of judging by perfect skin, hair, nails, and eyebrows they judge by height, income, and self-confidence. Not everything is better about being a man, despite what some women think.
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