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 clemtuckerofcourse
Joined: 5/7/2015
Msg: 128
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That men feel hate or despise women is their issue and has complex reasons. Men objectify and marginalise women because of their need to demean, feel a certain power and to be superior...


Men objectify and Marginalize those women who do it to themselves. How many profiles on POF exhibit a woman's breasts?

The men have a need to demean to feel power and superior is simply a cliche with no basis in fact. But it sounds good for women who have absolutely no clue about men, why or how they think like they do.

If you want to be treated with respect, treat others with respect and act like you deserve respect. Not hard really.
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
Msg: 129
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Posted: 5/18/2015 1:38:38 PM

Also, I still am not convinced most people care what a woman's career/accomplishments/personality are.


True, as long as they can feed themselves. But a female vet would save me a lot on animal care lol

But I think this video says it all: (lawyer vs Stewardess)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU7alwkLuE8
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 130
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 1:39:14 PM

As you say, it matters where you are. There are places like a court of law, a funeral, a business meeting, where most people conform to the expected standards.



I was actually thinking countries when I stated what I stated, not a ceremony or an event. Did you know Steve Jobs did NOT want any of his male employees wearing ties?????

"Conform", "expected" and "standards".

Words some will live and die with, and for.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 131
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 1:54:16 PM

Men objectify and Marginalize those women who do it to themselves. How many profiles on POF exhibit a woman's breasts?


I don't know, but it's not my responsibility to go out of my way to keep them totally hidden at all times either.

I posted before about the attention my breasts got from my schoolmates when I was going 11. I didn't know the first thing about "objectification" but the boys sure seemed to know all about it.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 132
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 1:59:54 PM

I was actually thinking countries when I stated what I stated, not a ceremony or an event. Did you know Steve Jobs did NOT want any of his male employees wearing ties?????


Maybe he wanted to see if they had neck tatts! LOL


"Conform", "expected" and "standards".

Words some will live and die with, and for.


IMHO, there are ways that people dress that convey, or fail to convey, respect.

I once saw an adult person wearing cut-offs at a funeral visitation. Call me old fashioned, but I thought it was wrong.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 133
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:12:19 PM
"Men objectify and Marginalize those women who do it to themselves."

I must say Mr. Tucker.....this statement disappoints me.

Please tell me how a 14 year old girl on a school trip.....wearing a t-shirt warrants a 14 year old boy to make verbal sexual remarks pertaining to her breasts and then proceeds to grab it? This young lady was taking pictures with a friend and the boy was a stranger.

So in this scenario.....please explain how she did this to herself.....other than the fact that she has breasts, of course.

Perhaps, your explanation will be better than the one I was able to give.....as this young lady is my daughter and the incident occurred last week at Universal Studios. :)
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 134
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:13:39 PM

Men objectify and Marginalize those women who do it to themselves.
The men have a need to demean to feel power and superior is simply a cliche with no basis in fact.

when I hear these blanket statements that paint men as both blameless and superior, and women as both debased and clueless, I am reminded of two erstwhile trolls who were actually the same person.
 clemtuckerofcourse
Joined: 5/7/2015
Msg: 135
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:26:25 PM

Please tell me how a 14 year old girl on a school trip.....wearing a t-shirt warrants a 14 year old boy to make verbal sexual remarks pertaining to her breasts and then proceeds to grab it? This young lady was taking pictures with a friend and the boy was a stranger.


Ms. JK, 14 year old boys are still children and can not be judged on the same level as an adult male. If an adult male did this, it is a battery and criminal behavior and reflective of stunted mental growth.


I am reminded of two erstwhile trolls who were actually the same person.

I have been here more than twice over the years Ms. Motown, and I must say, you are consistent in your consistently being, shall we say, what I would deem the antithesis of sugar and spice. Would you care to guess who I have been in the past? Hint. I have been gone from these boards for a long time before coming back.

(I repeat my post above to Volkano, I had to delete due to being limited to no more than two posts in ten in this thread)

Disagree Volkano. A CEO women who walks in will have the allure of power and confidence and intelligence about her or she would NEVER be the CEO. Example: Sheryl Sandberg. A super hot women may get some looks but if she opens her mouth and is uncouth, non-classy or non-intelligent, quality guys will lose interest is a split second. Speaking on behalf of intelligent mountain men everywhere, let me absolutely assure you that the dumb hillbilly woman is not holding our interest no matter how hot she is. Natural beauty requires natural intelligence. One will not exist without the other.

VVVVV Ms. Motown, I don't argue. I merely explaining why you are always wrong and why I am right.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 136
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Posted: 5/18/2015 2:33:49 PM
[quote[ I have been here more than twice over the years Ms. Motown, and I must say, you are consistent in your consistently being, shall we say, what I would deem the antithesis of sugar and spice. Would you care to guess who I have been in the past? Hint. I have been gone from these boards for a long time before coming back.

Not THAT long ago, clem. The sugar and spice comment rings a bell...

I think it was the alter ego of Mr Sailinges.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 137
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Posted: 5/18/2015 2:37:08 PM

Ms. JK, 14 year old boys are still children and can not be judged on the same level as an adult male. If an adult male did this, it is a battery and criminal behavior and reflective of stunted mental growth.


Children exhibit both learned and inherent behavior. Which would you say the breast grabbing is?

Furthermore, how did the girl marginalize or objectify herself???
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 138
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:40:26 PM

I have been here more than twice over the years Ms. Motown, and I must say, you are consistent in your consistently being, shall we say, what I would deem the antithesis of sugar and spice. Would you care to guess who I have been in the past?

who cares

but your latest statement def. fits the m.o. of your 2 most recent incarnations who had a nasty habit of calling women very uncomplimentary names whenever they dared to disagree with him or question his inability to form a cogent argument.

oh you don't think i'm sweet, what a terrible blow to my worldview.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 139
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:44:29 PM
Mr. Clem Tucker.....

Now you are just playing cute! That was not the question I asked.....

I asked.....what did "she" do to warrant this behavior? ;)




vvvvv Thank you for answering, Mr. Tucker. :)
 Whatsamatterbaby
Joined: 5/6/2015
Msg: 140
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Posted: 5/18/2015 2:48:56 PM
* Actually, I think in most westernized countries a 14 year old can be held criminally accountable for his behaviour. In the Canadian Justice system, what that boy did would be "sexual assault".
 clemtuckerofcourse
Joined: 5/7/2015
Msg: 141
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Posted: 5/18/2015 2:50:49 PM

what did "she" do to warrant this behavior


She was born a girl and was in the vicinity of young boys. It is the way of the world Ms. KJ. Always has been. Not much to be done about it. Laws can be passed. Punishments meted out. In the end, teenage boys will be boys and teenage girls, girls. The boy should be punished and hopefully will learn his lesson.

However, remember what is now available on the web to children. When I was a child, I was lucky if I could sneak in a Playboy or Penthouse to read, but now with Women exhibiting their worst traits all over the net for anybody who can spell Porno or Oral in Google, I suppose that things may be worse than ever. God gave us strong hormones when we are young. Some are going to act on them. There is no way to avoid this.

VVVVVV Yea, that's it Mr. Crook. Yes, I get a Juvenile crime has been committed and the big bad police officer is going to do what police officers do, but that does not make it the it you try to make it, much as you all try to make it so simple.
 CrookCatcher
Joined: 7/14/2014
Msg: 142
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 2:57:28 PM

She was born a girl and was in the vicinity of young boys. It is the way of the world Ms. KJ. Always has been. Not much to be done about it.


You can't be serious! That's it? She was born a girl and in the vicinity of young boys? So let's just chalk it up to boys being boys? Total fail on your part.

It's sexual battery minimum.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 143
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Posted: 5/18/2015 3:08:53 PM

She was born a girl and was in the vicinity of young boys. It is the way of the world Ms. KJ. Always has been. Not much to be done about it.


And those young boys grow up to be men...men who demean, marginalize, objectify and harass women.

If we are very LUCKY, that's all they do. If unchecked, they may well go on to be rapists and wife-beaters.

And THEN....they model this behaviour for their sons and daughters.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 144
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:14:35 PM

In the end, teenage boys will be boys and teenage girls, girls.


Yeah, you know how those fourteen year old girls are. Always going around having breasts, and stuff.


Women exhibiting their worst traits all over the net for anybody who can spell Porno or Oral in Google, I suppose that things may be worse than ever. God


I suppose you think women are driving this industry, do you? It's supply and demand. Look at the CHIEF consumer.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 145
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:14:45 PM

In the end, teenage boys will be boys and teenage girls, girls.


Yeah, you know how those fourteen year old girls are. Always going around having breasts, and stuff.


Women exhibiting their worst traits all over the net for anybody who can spell Porno or Oral in Google, I suppose that things may be worse than ever. God


I suppose you think women are driving this industry, do you? It's supply and demand. Look at the CHIEF consumer.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 146
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:16:19 PM
Soooooooooooo... what you're saying there clem****erofcourse is that it's her fault for being female so that ***hole of a kid felt he had every right to touch her tits. Am I correct????
And by punishment, do you mean like a slap on the hand, wag of a finger while prattling off a cliche' "boys will be boys" Oh hardy har har. Hmm ?

Thank GOD almighty, great Jesus, Mary and Joseph my own boys aren't your typical boy and knew at any age to respect any part females body. They will never be called dumb, ***holes or get slapped with .............


It's sexual battery minimum.


And clem, I can just imagine which boy you were eh? Oh Hardy har har
 clemtuckerofcourse
Joined: 5/7/2015
Msg: 147
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:16:29 PM
^^^^ it is still the female willing to go on camera performing the most intimate acts imaginable . . . and why does she do it again?


And those young boys grow up to be men...men who demean, marginalize, objectify and harass women.
If we are very LUCKY, that's all they do. If unchecked, they may well go on to be rapists and wife-beaters.
And THEN....they model this behaviour for their sons and daughters


Although our local law enforcement member may not agree, there is a reason that except for the most violent of crimes, boys are not charged as "adults" when committing crimes, at least in the US. And that is because social science has established boys lack judgment and also at times the control that adults are supposed to have. From a criminal point of view, they are not to be judged by the same standards. There are levels of behavior that are unacceptable. I don't think the behavior described by Ms. JK arises to one where the boy will typically grow into a rapist, or a man who marginalizes women.

And to Ms. Motown. I am not arguing . . . .just explaining why I am right and you are not :-)
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 148
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:18:54 PM
Soooooooooooo... what you're saying there clem*uckerofcourse is that it's her fault for being female so that a**hole of a kid felt he had every right to touch her tits. Am I correct????
And by punishment, do you mean like a slap on the hand, wag of a finger while prattling off a cliche' "boys will be boys" Oh hardy har har. Hmm ?

Thank GOD almighty, great Jesus, Mary and Joseph my own boys aren't your typical boy and knew at any age to respect any part of a female's body. They will never be called dumb, ***holes or get slapped with .............


It's sexual battery minimum.


And clem, I can just imagine which boy you were eh? Oh Hardy har har
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 5/18/2015 3:36:06 PM
God gave you hormones...strong hormones for boys....so some are going to act on it....

Isn't that why we have laws against sexual harassment, because some people think they have no control, some even blame a god, and do what they want because they want to? And yes I do agree that some people put their body parts out there as though they are for sale, and as sad as that might be for them, or maybe they are quite happy doing it, they still get to pick who touches and who doesn't. Boys raised by parents who think it's okay because others are asking for it are the ones who do this sort of thing, blame it on hormones and/or gods all you want, it's still someone who thinks they are entitled and demeans others so they feel they can do what they want to them.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 150
Women and Fake Beauty
Posted: 5/18/2015 3:39:40 PM

rom a criminal point of view, they are not to be judged by the same standards. There are levels of behavior that are unacceptable. I don't think the behavior described by Ms. JK arises to one where the boy will typically grow into a rapist, or a man who marginalizes women.


If his behaviour goes unchecked, or minimized, it might. And I did say "might".

Earlier you suggested that men become disrespectful of women because of the way they have been treated by women. In other words, they learned from experience ( as if there's a woman out there who hasn't been burned by a man!!!) Now you appear to suggest it is inherent. Even worse....is it both?
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 5/18/2015 3:44:25 PM
^^^Demidor? Frank?

Ok , lets see what you are doing for a second.

1. you made a statement:

"Men objectify and Marginalize those women who do it to themselves." A general sweeping across the board position.

2. KJ gives you an actual occurrence that dismisses your above statement as incorrect , since her daughter obviously did NOTHING to marginalize herself.

3. Your answer is to dismiss it as boys being boys... business as usual. Although, you might be right, that it is a common occurrence with today's youth and not often taken seriously, you still stand by that boys marginalize gals that marginalize themselves.

Is it only me who sees the lost of rational logic being displayed HERE?

Regardless if it is common or not , your position accepting it basically takes no responsibility for the action of males , while at the same time putting it all on the female. Okay stay with me here?

You FAIL to admit that the female didn't do anything here , but still think they are marginalizing themselves! My gosh you sound like one of them serial killers who SEE something that isn't there and that justifies their behavior! That thinking historically becomes dangerous.

Conclusion: What I see is that your position was absurd from the beginning( usually is when one generalizes without a basis of fact) and you were called out on it and since you couldn't defend the absurdity you changed the subject by announcing a cop-out(ex. boys will be boys)

Does that sound right? Lucy only charges 5 cent you know ;)
 CrookCatcher
Joined: 7/14/2014
Msg: 152
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Posted: 5/18/2015 3:54:40 PM

Although our local law enforcement member may not agree, there is a reason that except for the most violent of crimes, boys are not charged as "adults" when committing crimes, at least in the US.


Let me explain something to you clem, freethunker, salinges whoever you are....no one said they would be charged as adults. It's no more legal for a 14 year old to make a comment about a girls breasts and then grab her than for a 18 year old doing the same thing. There are juveniles charged everyday for doing exactly what this boy did. If by some stretch of your imagination you deem it acceptable because of his age then you obviously have issues of your own that need addressing.

If you want to stir the pot do it with me, not a posters 14 year old child.
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