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 rennips1949
Joined: 3/6/2015
Msg: 297
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you have no problem parrot heading

Ummm...technical point? the word you want is "parrotTING". I honestly don't know if Jimmy Buffet fans(parrotHEADS)have an official position on feminism.


However, not once have I seen a logical rebuttal to why they are misguided. Why is that? Could it be that you have none?

would you be capable of KNOWING a logical rebuttal if you were given one???


Feminism has been very, very good to me. My first career was with the Federal Government. Nobody but the bloated, feminist dominated welfare state would have paid me so much, for so long for doing so little.

what an odd thing to brag about.


A lot of disgruntled men have decided to avoid marriage and/or relationships.

And this is a problem-how??? Marriage is not something one would care to be in with a disgruntled person. I really think that those waving the MGTOW banner are NOT causing any intimidation or 2nd thoughts among confident and competent women. As a "club" to try and beat women back into the desired dependence and submissiveness, it's about as useful as tits on a boar hog.

Do you even understand what a blessing feminism has been for men who can see through the nonsense and play the deck provided :).

Sorry, dude, you and your cronies certainly don't express here as feeling "blessed".


The mental mindset of those who hate to the point of lying their teeth, off is amazing to watch.

Yes, and that amazement crosses gender lines.


so often social change can actually be attributed to economics

I think that this is more true than many people realize.


- Chivalry has got to. Men shouldn't be thought of as the sole providers these days.
- The media shouldn't portray men as idiotic women-ogling buffoons.
- The notion that all men are potential pedophiles and rapists should be discarded.

I don't know of anybody in my real-life social and business circles, of any gender, who think this way.
Chivalry in my understanding, is more about kind treatment/assisting those in need of assistance. Yes, there tends to be a presumption that women children and elderly persons may be more in need of chivalry.
The social construct of man as provider/woman as hearthkeeper was more about what(at that time) a logical, sensible and reasonable division of labor.
Not about "chivalry".
Everyone and anyone can do what they feel to be right, consider the issues,give support wher it nakes sense, wihout joining any "movement" or assigning themselves a label.


I just hope they know that most women are pretty decent people, as are most men. Perhaps as their generation grows older, there will less need for these types of groups.

This is what we have always sought to teach our kids and grandkids.
IMO the entirety of humanity/human civilization is a house, and a house divided against itself cannot stand.


because women were thought to be the givers of life.

I always thought it was best done as a joint venture???

If memory serves correctly, wasn't this thread supposed to be about the interests of women over 50? Frankly, I cannot think of one over-50 woman- that I know IRL-who considers "feminism" as an interest. Regardless of sad womens' marital status, economic situation, etc.
So how did we get here? Or are women who participate in online dating markedly different than women who do not?
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 6/21/2015 3:45:47 PM

I have given a couple of examples on different threads of when I have spoken out against sexist comments. A woman at my work said she told her husband she would "cut his****off" if he cheated. I responded by asking her if she would see the humour in her husband saying he would sew her vagina shut if she cheated on him. A heated exchange of words ensued.


Good point and funny incident there BUT actually what you did was an error in my opinion. You basically put your VALUES on someone else who possibly didn't share yours and isn't maybe going along with your ideology. And that is what many both men and women don't like about it! Comment was bad because it was a gross threat more than anything else.

If you are against crude/rude language and people saying crude/rude things in your presence , you either LEAVE or you let them KNOW or REPORT it to the boss if their is a policy and you are a rat..but being sexist or NOT doesn't make it any more or less appropriate in reality. Since she wasn't saying it at another worker it wouldn't even violate most EEO rules here.

Tbh I have had women say that same thing to me(my wife did).... I took it as the flip crude threat that it was, said to make a point but not be serious either. Nothing more or less. I actually have heard guys say things like that to girls in public....there was no outrage!
Now if you ask Belle I am sure she knows some ladies who SAY it and mean it lol


Can you imagine an ad where the man gave the woman a black eye for looking at another man?

Actually, I have seen anad where man slapped a women for the same thing! And many men would laugh at an ad where the women slapped a guy so it actually might be a VERY effective marketing campaign. profits win over PC everyday of the week!:P



Ever been to boys' high school sporting event, versus a girls' ? The football team at my HS were certainly given a lot of status and special treatment ( even though the star player was a C student on paper and a D minus in actuality) . Oh, that was the BOYS' football team, not the girls'.


Can't speak for Canada but boys football here CAN bring in A LOT of school revenue. I say follow the money!Although many of us were watching the cheerleaders so maybe YOU have a point????


more men taking on a fair share of running a home, and raising kids,


That is fine if they want to do that! Personally I never would want to as I disliked my time as a 3rd grade teacher and Sesame street bores me! Plus my mom was a bad example considering we had a live in nanny/housekeeper!


On the topic of teaching, Capitano is correct about the pay scale in Canada. Although teacher contracts are negotiated in local boards, the funds and the funding model are dictated by the Ministry of Ed, which is provincial. In my province, only private schools are exempt from this. As far as supply and demand goes, you would have a better chance of being hired if your subject was the flavour of the month, but you can't get additional pay. Except for private schools. ALL teachers in my province are unionized.


US is similar. Each town/city has its own school system and union contract. Pay is equal. But a man elementary teacher applicant has A LOT harder time getting a position than a female here. 2 obvious reasons I have heard/witness/experienced for it:

1. Many principals are afraid of increased lawsuits because parents are afraid of men being with smaller children and parents here in the inner city often look to sue teachers based on lies! I found being a cop much more healthy for sanity !

2. Most principals are men. And they LOVE to hire young female teachers (often that come in short skirts to the interview). My father was friends with a few and he told me how they(married men mind you) use to tell him that and I noticed it in some schools that I per diem subbed.

That being said I don't think you would like here if you are a crusader against sexism, and for political correctness. The city still carries with it an aura of old America or possibly old Europe. People are rough, direct and don’t take bullshit. The true locals don’t care one bit about being politically correct or sexism in general.

Example: My lawyer stops and comments on guys and girls asses as they walk by(he is bi).

When I was doing financial consulting(short after retirement gig) ,one of my rich high level clients here—and I’ll never forget this—said to his employees “if your vacation request starts with ‘my wife…’ it will be denied.”

Wow--I love this city!;P
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 299
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Posted: 6/21/2015 9:02:13 PM

US is similar. Each town/city has its own school system and union contract. Pay is equal. But a man elementary teacher applicant has A LOT harder time getting a position than a female here. 2 obvious reasons I have heard/witness/experienced for it:

1. Many principals are afraid of increased lawsuits because parents are afraid of men being with smaller children and parents here in the inner city often look to sue teachers based on lies! I found being a cop much more healthy for sanity !

2. Most principals are men. And they LOVE to hire young female teachers (often that come in short skirts to the interview). My father was friends with a few and he told me how they(married men mind you) use to tell him that and I noticed it in some schools that I per diem subbed.


Really? I think more elementary principals here are women. To be a principal here you need a minimum of five years teaching, and most elementary teachers are women, so that's why we have more female principals.

Hiring practices are pretty regimented here. Getting hired as a teacher is quite difficult. New teachers have to have at least two interviews by the board before they can even supply teach, and after that they have to do some long term work ( like covering a maternity leave) and THEN if a permanent job comes up, the principal can hire from a selected list of applicants. I cannot imagine for a second that the length of a skirt would be considered. The principal cannot fire a teacher here, either, btw. I get he impression teachers are not as valued or respected in the states as they are here. They are not as well paid, either.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:50:18 AM

There were also many other native North American tribes in which women could be chiefs, hunters, warriors- basically anything they wanted to be.


Nope, there weren't...

Women's primary role was and always has been, to continue the species, as nobody else COULD do it, as well as to raise children,...
The only time that a woman would be acknowledged as a 'chief' would be if she was married to one who was killed and took part in the process of helping the tribe to choose another...Although I'm sure that you can find a female chief SOMEWHERE, in their history, it would prove challenging to say the least, as most North American Natives history is purely oral, and, unfortunately, like a game of post office, much has been lost over the centuries...especially since assimilation by the white man.
As for hunting, again, it was 'frowned upon' for a woman to hunt as her getting injured would compromise the survival of her children...Single women however, especially younger ones WERE allowed to hunt, but again, many tribes had restrictions based upon their menstrual cycles as well as their 'value' as 'breeders' of children.

As far as Mohawk women 'deposing' a chief...again, not sure where that comes from, but as far as I know that was a decision made by a council of ELDERS, which meant men AND women, and all they could do was make a recommendation, they did NOT have the power to actually 'depose' anyone...in the majority of tribes, and I won't say that I know the traditions of ALL tribes, as the 6 Nations alone is made up of 6 different tribes,and that comprises over 140 00 registered people at this point, who are spread over a wide area, into many bands....Many Native tribes and traditions were among the first 'democracies'.
In the case of a woman who was being abused by her mate, a council of women COULD be formed and then take the issue to the elders, who would then take the recommendation and most likely approve it, yes, because violence between mates, was unacceptable and possibly very damaging in such small communities with so many intricate and complicated familial ties.

As far as claiming to be part Mohawk...Well, again, not going to trot out my 'credentials' for anyone on a dating forum, and the information IS out there, in MORE than one example from Wikipedia, for anyone who is interested in the facts rather than the opinions of ANY one person, including myself ....

AS for your friend's opinions about 'damaged women becoming man-hating feminists',...well, DUH!!!LOL

Of course a woman who has suffered at the hands of a man WILL most likely seek shelter under the banner of Feminism...I'm sorry, but do you believe that the men in MGTOW are 'loving' women???? Doesn't mean that is the MAJORITY, or that ALL feminists are coming from the same place....
Just wait, my friend...you WILL eventually see that the exact SAME thing will happen with that 'movement' as well...(MGTOW)
IF there actually ARE any men involved with it who DON'T hate women at all, they will VERY quickly find themselves defending and trying to separate the 'real' issues out from the agenda of those who are there to simply get revenge on all women everywhere...and BEAT them back into 'submission' where they 'belong'....

What? Because it's a group of men fighting for THEIR 'rights' you believe that that somehow legitimizes their hatred of women...more? Or makes it permissible in the first place?
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 301
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Posted: 6/22/2015 12:27:41 PM
I think a lot of people confuse matrilineal with matriarchal. All people/cultures/tribes were matrilineal before they figured out that men actually had a part in conception; some continued being matrilineal because it was habit/custom/easy to figure out who the mother was - not so often the father.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 6/22/2015 12:55:01 PM

Really? I think more elementary principals here are women. To be a principal here you need a minimum of five years teaching, and most elementary teachers are women, so that's why we have more female principals.


You generally need a masters in administration to be a principal. Many are like politicians and have very little experience.



Hiring practices are pretty regimented here. Getting hired as a teacher is quite difficult. New teachers have to have at least two interviews by the board before they can even supply teach, and after that they have to do some long term work ( like covering a maternity leave) and THEN if a permanent job comes up, the principal can hire from a selected list of applicants.


Hard here also



I cannot imagine for a second that the length of a skirt would be considered.


It would be if the bored principal wants to be surrounded by hot young teachers! Heck, come to think about it if I had 2 equal candidates I would probably do the same thing! Most candidates will be equal since qualifications are the same.

Similar to 1 pleasure palace( 1 police plaza)..the upper brass staff the building with mostly sexy in shape female cops..that is how they got the name "pleasure palace".



The principal cannot fire a teacher here, either, btw. I get he impression teachers are not as valued or respected in the states as they are here. They are not as well paid, either.


Not sure. I mean cities can only pay based on their budgets. You can only tax people so much. NY and the suburbs top out at over 115k..not bad for 9 months of work ! Cost of living of area is a consideration and if the union is strong.
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
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Posted: 6/22/2015 2:03:13 PM

NY and the suburbs top out at over 115k..


Dang! Teachers in San Antonio, Texas make about a fifth to a quarter of that.
On the other hand, the cost of living....
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 304
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Posted: 6/22/2015 4:23:07 PM

You generally need a masters in administration to be a principal. Many are like politicians and have very little experience.


Yikes! Our principals are teachers first.

In addition to having taught for five years, a principal candidate must have taught in ALL divisions. They also have to have Basic Qualifications in Special Education, and a Specialist Certification in one other area ( like IT, or Mathematics).

This is because they are expected to be curriculum leaders.

They learn to be administrators by taking a three part principals course which takes at least a couple of years and involves quite a bit of job shadowing and then they have to be a VP first. Quite a few become VP and never a P.

It seems complicated that each city pays their teachers based on tax. Teachers all over Ontario make very close to the same amounts, no matter where they live.
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