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 funchesf
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Posted By: yule_liquor
You are missing the point
Obviously there are quite a number of voters who don't share your view (at least not at this juncture), and admire him because they believe he "calls it like it is"

there's a difference between to "call it like it is" and "to say what you want to hear" ....

and if you want to hear that hispanics are all rapist, illegal and that a Berlin wall should be built around the United States then Trump is your Man....but unfortunately for Trump those that have those views are not in the majority and are limited to hate groups, border States and Fox News viewers


True^
But then the interpretation of whether or not his remarks are "sociopathic" are also a matter of opinion.

demeaning those that you yourself would send off to die clearly is not a display of empathy ...so the matter of opinion would either be..... apathetic or sociopathic


And once he were to win the GOP nomination, who would be the one labeling him that?

The Veterans and those that had family members that died in war comes to mind ....have they not the right to call a Draft dodging Trump "gutless"
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:15:04 PM
Cruz was born under the same type of circumstances as McCain, different of course, but still the same as far as being able to be president. Cruz has lately attached himself to Trump, pandering to him, buttering him up, in hopes of getting to be VP on his ticket should Trump actually make it. I can't see Trump wanting Cruz, but he may have used him had his Mexican bashings gone worse.

Trump seems to have slimed his way past his bashing of McCain too. And he's threatening to use a different party if the GOP won't have him. Hell he'd be like Reagan and change parties if he thought it would buy him the presidency. Trump is a mega ego maniac, to a fault, to a degree beyond being stable, there's not a lot he won't do to win. He'd take this country to the dumps and blame others and drink tiger's blood and call it winning. Hey, maybe Charlie Sheen would be a good VP on the Trump ticket.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 278
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Posted: 7/28/2015 10:07:25 PM
@funch


there's a difference between to "call it like it is" and "to say what you want to hear" ....


When you have a bunch of pple wandering in a desert dying of thirst, and then all of a sudden they luckily find a small pond of stale water under the sun, they are not gonna get picky about how it looks or how it tastes.

Its the same with many GOP voters; they see a line up of lame boring talking heads, and then all of a sudden they see Trump jumping in the ring like a WWE wrestler who is blurting out all kinds of controversy without any fear of repercussions that draws the media like moths on a light! This has an immediate effect on those who are starving for an "exciting" candidate and before you know it, a following starts to develop. The lines between "like it is" and "what they wanna hear" get blurred in the immediate frenzy.

As such, most reasonable pple know that most illegal immigrants are not murders or rapists; but it is also known that their illegal status (having less social safety nets)makes them more vulnerable to the criminal element, hence the resonance with Trump's rhetoric. Also, most pple would agree that McCain is a war hero by having survived 5+ yrs in a harsh POW camp; but some have questioned his ability, judgment and qualifications (irrespective of the awards he got) in the performance of his duties before he was shot down; and again Trump raising such doubts without fear of fallout in his attack of a political GOp "sacred cow", has peaked the interest of the GOP voting base.


but unfortunately for Trump those that have those views are not in the majority and are limited to hate groups, border States and Fox News viewers


In the early years of Nazi Germany,
the majority of Germans did not yearn for; nor have the inclination to round up Jews and exterminate them,
but they were willing to listen to someone who sounded as though he really cared for his nation and his pple.
I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler, but when a people is completely disgusted with the same array of politicians, but then you have the potential for a "game changer" to jump in, he doesn't necessarily need to be in full step with the majority right away.


The Veterans and those that had family members that died in war comes to mind


historically speaking, Veteran status was never a big swing issue in deciding the outcome of recent Presidential elections: examples> Clinton vs Bush I (vet); Clinton vs Dole (vet); Bush II vs Kerry (vet); Obama vs McCain (vet).
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:01:18 AM
Mr. Trump has done something no politician since George Wallace has done. He spoke up for White America. That said , I am concerned about his zionist relationships. He is exposing White GeNOcide , immigration being the most deadly weapon in the arsenal of dieversity. Thank-You , Mr. Trump.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 280
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:01:06 AM
Interesting that the polls show the Republicans want either

1. Bush- wave a wand and all illegals here are legal

and

2. Trump - whatever the media and the Hoi polloi want him to have said about illegals as criminals.

( Please post a link to where he said that all illegals are rapists. Thanks. )
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:50:06 AM

2. Trump - whatever the media and the Hoi polloi want him to have said about illegals as criminals.

( Please post a link to where he said that all illegals are rapists. Thanks. )


He didn't say all, he only implied that the vast majority are and that "some" are good people.


“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. [Pointing to people in the crowd as an example.] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Donald Trump
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:07:51 AM
^ . Whatever is implied ; is concjecture. And we can be sure hfx will be as anti white as possible in his interpretation. A canadian wishing to assist illegal invasion of US? Hmmmmm. Personally , we have been requesting troops on the border for years. It would be easy to shut down the borders ; anti whites would be in despair.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
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Posted: 7/29/2015 7:11:00 AM

Posted By: daynadaze
I can't see Trump wanting Cruz,

once Cruz hinted that he might have to go on Obamacare after running on a platform of stopping Obamacare ...he became a liability and a hypocrite


Posted By: Yule_liquor
As such, most reasonable pple know that most illegal immigrants are not murders or rapists;

and that is why what Trump is doing is going to reach a plateau and begin to fizzle out ... even Satan has his supporters but perhaps not enough to become The Messiah


Posted By: Yule_liquor
In the early years of Nazi Germany,
the majority of Germans did not yearn for; nor have the inclination to round up Jews and exterminate them

the same happened here when those of asian descent were rounded up and place in internment camps, which is why laws and amendments had to be put in place to make sure that type of thing doesn't happen to another group of people namely Hispanics


Posted By: BialaPolska
Mr. Trump has done something no politician since George Wallace has done. He spoke up for White America.

isn't George Wallace the guy that apologized for being a Segregationist ..I guess in a sense he was speaking up for White America ...


Posted By: deetristate
Please post a link to where he said that all illegals are rapists. Thanks

that link doesn't exist because Trump never claimed that "all illegals" are rapist...because if so he would have include Swedish illegals and Australian illegals and Tanzanian illegals and the illegals from The Planet Zotan ...the platform that Trump is running on is that only Mexicans are illegal
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
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Posted: 7/29/2015 7:21:01 AM
Funny ; I don't see White illegals. Nearly 2/3 are mexican. The remaining OTM's (Other Than Mexican) account for slightly more than 1/3. These folks consist of Arab , Asian and Pakistani. As usual , where are the Whites? Why is dieversity only IMPOSED in White Nations?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 3/5/2011
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Posted: 7/29/2015 7:59:04 AM

BialaPolska
Funny ; I don't see White illegals. As usual , where are the Whites?


Just because you don’t see them, does not mean they are not there.


50,000 undocumented Irish in New York City:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/irish-immigrants-illegally-hope-immigration-reform-article-1.1290089

10,000 undocumented Irish in Boston:

http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2013/07/11/2284021/boston-undocumented-irish-immigrants/
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 286
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:02:09 AM

Funny ; I don't see White illegals.

Of COURSE you don't. The reality, however, is a tad different:

Most came to the U.S. on planes, with valid visas and passports from Ireland, India, Poland or elsewhere. They stayed in the country after those visas expired, and eluded detection by immigration authorities as they went about their lives, often laying down roots in their new communities. The Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group, estimates that up to 45% of the 12 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are visa overstayers. Europeans account for 400,000 of them.

... Chicago is home to some 70,000 Polish illegal immigrants, second only to the city's undocumented Mexican population. Many Poles came in the 1980s to flee military rule; others settled here in the '90s to seek economic opportunity.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB120778855072003529
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:08:04 AM
And on topic, there is this:

TRUMP TOWER WAS BUILT ON UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS’ BACKS
BY MICHAEL DALY 07.08.151:49 AM ET

The use of undocumented workers on a Trump construction site such as the hotel described by The Washington Post this week is certainly nothing new.

Thirty-five years ago, a small army of illegal immigrants was used to clear the site for what became the crown jewel of Donald Trump’s empire.

The 200 demolition workers—nicknamed the Polish Brigade because of their home country—worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime to knock down the old Bonwit Teller building and make room for Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-immigrants-backs.html

What's the nationality of those illegals again?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:08:29 AM
biala - you should read Bernie Sanders on immigration. He is leaving many leftists speechless.

And doesn't seem that race matters.
 cotter
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:19:14 AM
Message 301 ...
Hoi polloi ... a negative connotation to signify deprecation of the working class, commoners, the masses or common people in a derogatory or, more often today, ironic sense. Synonyms for hoi polloi, which also express the same or similar distaste for the common people felt by those who believe themselves to be superior, include "the great unwashed", "the plebeians" or "plebs", "the rabble", "the dregs of society", "riffraff", "the herd", "the proles" (proletariat) and "peons".

... whatever the media and the Hoi polloi ...
I've seen you use that Hoi polloi term numerous times. The way you throw that term around gives me the impression you're somehow looking down your nose at those people. Just what is it you mean to imply with it?

Is that how you think of the the "working class" of people here in the US? Are you including yourself in that? Do you think you're something special and you don't belong to the working class along with us other hard-working folks?

What makes you think you're not "hoi polloi" just like the rest of the hard-working people here?


... want him to have said about illegals as criminals.
Do you also believe that ALL illegals are to be considered "criminal"?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/majority-of-undocumented-immigrants-work-in-low-skill-jobs-report-finds/2015/03/26/dada9f2a-d3bc-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html
Majority of undocumented immigrants work in low-skill jobs, report finds

By Pamela Constable March 26

Undocumented immigrants hold more white-collar jobs and fewer blue-collar jobs today than they did before the national recession of 2007-2009, but most remain concentrated in lower-skilled, low-paying jobs, “much more so than U.S.-born workers,” according to a report released Thursday by the Pew Research Center in the District.

The report, based on a five-year study from 2007 to 2012, found that the size of the illegal immigrant workforce has remained at 5.1 percent of all workers, even though the total number of illegal immigrants has fallen from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007 to about 11.2 million in 2012.

Overall, it described an undocumented workforce that has stabilized during a period of economic recovery and has moved up in certain semi-skilled and professional occupations, but that has remained limited by language barriers, poor education and legal status and clustered in low-level occupations.

The senior demographer for Pew, Jeffrey Passel, presented the report’s findings at a Senate hearing Thursday. He stressed that as the illegal population has fallen, its remaining workers have settled into the U.S. and their job prospects have shifted mostly in response to national economic trends.

“These are people who are embedded and participating in the economy,” Passel said after the hearing. “More than 60 percent have been here at least ten years. The changes we see in what they are doing and where they work reflect broader trends.”

Although the majority of illegal immigrants are from Mexico, the report noted that in the Washington region, the largest number are from Central America. In Virginia, Maryland and the District, they are employed mainly in service jobs in hotels, restaurants, buildings and grounds, and private homes.
What services are people willing to do without when there are no more (supposed) "illegals" here to wash their dishes at their favorite restaurant, change their sheets at their favorite hotel or keep up the pool and grounds at their favorite resort?

Nationwide, Pew reported, the portion of unauthorized workers in professional or business jobs — including sales and office support — grew from 10 to 13 percent, while the portion in production and construction declined from 34 to 29 percent. As in the past, though, it said “a solid majority” still toil at low-wage jobs including farm labor.

Critics of illegal immigration complain that undocumented workers squeeze out American-born workers by undercutting wages. The Pew report did not address that issue, but it found that far higher percentages of illegal immigrants than U.S.-born workers now hold jobs with the least desirable conditions, such as crop picking and animal slaughter.

Sen. Thomas Carper (D-Del), the ranking Democrat at Thursday’s hearing, said that U.S. officials “need to get serious about enforcing laws against the hiring of undocumented immigrants,” but that the government must also “provide adequate ways for immigrants to work here legally when we do need help.”

In certain occupations, the contrast between undocumented and U.S.-born immigrants is especially dramatic. Only 0.5 percent of U.S-born workers are employed in farming, fishing or forestry, while 4 percent of unauthorized aliens work in those fields.

Although the portion of illegal immigrants in professional jobs remains low, the report noted that, under several policies enacted or proposed by the White House, a substantial number are obtaining temporary legal status, giving them access to better education and professional jobs.

The work performed by illegal immigrants varies among states, the report found. In 39 states and the District, the largest number work in service jobs, but in 34 states, they hold the largest share of all farming, fishing and forestry jobs.

Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants are clustered in a few occupations, notably farming, fishing and forestry (26 percent of the workforce), building and grounds (17 percent), and construction and mining (14 percent). They comprise 24 percent of all groundskeepers, 23 percent of domestic workers and 20 percent of those in clothing manufacture.

In addition, they have carved out niches in certain relatively well-paid construction trades. They hold 34 percent of all jobs in drywall installation, 27 percent in roofing and 24 percent in painting. Passel also noted that many illegal immigrants who overstayed temporary visas have higher education levels that enable them to work in office or technical jobs.


What foods are people willing to give up when there are no more (supposed) "illegals" here to pick and process their favorite fruits and vegetables? What services are people willing to do without when there are no more (supposed) "illegals" here to paint their walls, fix their roof, fight their wild fires out west?
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
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Posted: 7/29/2015 8:48:43 AM

biala - you should read Bernie Sanders on immigration. He is leaving many leftists speechless.


In related news:

"I believe in a path to citizenship, and I agree with President Obama’s plans to do through executive action what Congress refuses to.

Bernie Sanders
 LLove2LaughToo
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:03:46 AM

What foods are people willing to give up when there are no more (supposed) "illegals" here to pick and process their favorite fruits and vegetables? What services are people willing to do without when there are no more (supposed) "illegals" here to paint their walls, fix their roof, fight their wild fires out west?



"Imagine a day without a Mexican" :
By Charles Garcia, Special to CNN

One day, California wakes up and every single Latino has inexplicably disappeared. No business owner, doctor, nurse, soldier, teacher, entertainer, athlete or politician can be found. No bus driver, farm worker, cook, gardener or nanny. All gone. California -- the ninth largest economy in the world -- grinds to a halt because Latinos have vanished. Chaos and tragedy follow. This scenario is what Sergio Arau's satiric film, "A Day Without a Mexican," explores.

This modern-day fable provides a cautionary tale on the assumptions we make about the 11 million unauthorized immigrants who live and work in America every day.

An oft-repeated mantra used to malign these "economic refugees" -- a term that more closely defines who they actually are, rather than the inflammatory "illegal immigrant" -- is that they don't pay taxes. They send their kids to our schools, and they don't pay taxes. They earn their wages, and they don't pay income tax. Such incendiary assertions are coded language designed explicitly to generate a negative reaction. The facts, which most people don't know, refute such claims entirely.

Payroll tax:
President Reagan's 1986 immigration reform law penalizes employers who knowingly hire undocumented workers. This policy has generated a black-market business for fake identity documents. In less than an hour you can obtain a fake green card, Social Security number and driver's license. Most refugees, then, do provide the necessary documents -- fake or otherwise -- to employers and when they get their paycheck, up to 15% of their earnings goes to Uncle Sam to pay Social Security and Medicare.

Property tax:
When refugees rent -- whether it's in an apartment building, a room in a house or a house -- a portion of that rent is passed on to the landlord, who pays property tax to the state.

Sales tax:
Like everyone in the country, every time a refugee goes to a store and buys something, they pay sales tax. They buy milk; they pay sales tax. They buy shoes; they pay sales tax. They buy a television; they pay sales tax.

Given the financial climate in America these past years, these are funds we can ill afford to do without. This week, in his testimony to the Congressional Budget Committee, Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that because of the country's growing aging population and decline in birth rates, the Disability Insurance Trust fund reserves will be depleted by 2018 and the Social Security Trust Fund will follow suit by 2036. Goss told The Washington Post recently that the windfall from economic refugees has saved the retirement system from insolvency.

A similar phenomenon holds true on the state level. In December 2006, Texas was the first state to conduct a comprehensive financial analysis of the impact of undocumented immigrants on a state's budget and economy. The stunning results showed that "undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received." Carole Keeton Strayhorn, the former Texas Comptroller, said, "Bottom line, undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas are adding $17.7 billion to our gross state product ... we net $428 million at the state level because of the taxes they're paying in."

A few years ago, the Congressional Budget Office evaluated the impact of economic refugees on the budgets of state and local governments. It concluded, "Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants -- both legal and unauthorized -- exceed the cost of the services they use."

The film "A Day Without a Mexican" was made in 2004. No Mexicans -- or Colombians or Argentines or Guatemalans or Panamanians, for that matter -- have mysteriously disappeared from our country. In the long run, a day without Mexicans would deal a devastating blow not just to California, but to the U.S. economy. It is time to cease the mantras that enforce the idea that illegal immigrants are nothing more than leeches to our society, and embrace the realities of what these people actually contribute to our economy: a financial fountain we would be foolish to shut off.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/02/opinion/garcia-illegal-immigrants/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Day_Without_a_Mexican
 BialaPolska
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:09:27 AM
Good Day Cotter. I am certainly NOT a supremecist. I am a separatist. Dedicated to a future for my Faith , Race and Children. Cultural Preservation of the European is far from hateful. Once again to eliminate all hate ; separate.

What is unique about Sanders? We get the same from them all. A pathway to White GeNOcide. Well , with the exception of one.

When will our handlers ease off on third world , non white invasion? We are dangerously close to already acheiving a third world GNP. Perhaps anti white postees can make a list of how Western Society has become more "3rd worldish" since 1965. May we begin with rap music?
 deetristate
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:55:50 AM
There are some articles about how he surprised many with this.
http://reason.com/blog/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:04:53 AM

Posted By: BialaPolska
Funny ; I don't see White illegals.

the Native Americans would tell the Whites that pose such a question...to look in the mirror ...
 BialaPolska
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Posted: 7/29/2015 11:15:09 AM
^ . You need to research. The Solutreans were here long before the asiatic mongoloid. Native Americans are simply folks born in America. Were you? Columbus was simply a repo man for Whites. Th Solutreans leave the "native amerikan" claim hopelessly futile. Matter of fact tribes are now litigating to keep more found clovis stones from documentation. A sad blow to libtard social engineers and our zio handlers.
 cotter
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:31:18 PM

You need to research.
It's clear what research you have been up to ... but it is also refuted.

The Solutreans were here long before the asiatic mongoloid.
Says you and a few other "quack heads".


Back to the topic ...
Trump is gonna be fun in the debates ... can't wait!

"dayna" ... what say you and I and a few others in here share a bowl or two of popcorn?
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:47:33 PM
Maybe Trump's a closet Democrat. What a brilliant way to sway the vote the other way with no intention of actually becoming president!
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 298
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:19:53 PM

I am certainly NOT a supremecist. I am a separatist. Dedicated to a future for my Faith , Race and Children.

Is that how you justify your hate-filled, bigoted supremacist "stupid ****ery"...? By inventing false realities in your head... and then wallowing in them...?

Maybe Trump's a closet Democrat.

Ummm, no... Trump is a party of one... The Trump party...
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:24:54 PM

Ummm, no... Trump is a party of one... The Trump party...

This is true...but it would have been a great ploy...
 cotter
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:37:38 PM
I think it will be fun to see if he just runs on a third-party ticket.

He'll screw with them at the debates and then go run on a separate ticket. It will split the teadipper and republican votes.
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