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 44darknight
Joined: 9/2/2015
Msg: 676
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I think those that would elect Trump are the same ones that wanted to keep Honey Boo Boo and on the air.

Actually, I think Drink has a good point, more people are watching the debates, even if it is for a laugh or to see the next Fvck up. These people might actually take an interest and vote.

I thought the one poster had a valid point or two until the "birther" comment. Now, just another azzhole with a mouth attached... like Trump.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 677
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Posted: 9/24/2015 3:15:56 AM
""I think those that would elect Trump are the same ones that wanted to keep Honey Boo Boo and on the air. ""

East cost, Cali and canadian liberals who want to pretend to be superior to everything?

Trump's biggest draw is that he is not accountable to anyone, admits his faults ( even thought he doesn't apologize for everything, which I don't blame him because he is an adult, not in pre-school") can change his position when he wants ( again, not owing anyone) and says things that people who are not former hippies or not trying to be PC or "cool" actually think.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 678
Donald Trump running for Presidency 2016
Posted: 9/24/2015 6:42:54 PM
#711


And...I honestly just can't say that I write Trump off.


Guess what!
The GOP super-delegates have written him off nearly from the start, as he is seen as a loose cannon; or someone who can't be bought off!

Dem & GOP Super-delegates are picked by the high honchoes of both respective parties (who in turn are controlled by the hidden powers that be). They won't be bound to the candidate who wins the most primary votes. There are enough super-delegates to OVERRIDE the choice of primary voters (especially if they sense that there's been voters who fake their identity and vote for a weaker candidate of the opposing party so their desired candidate will win in the final election).

This is how both parties control the nomination process; I think we saw this in 1976 when Ford got dubbed as the nominee over Reagan by the GOP.

The GOP would want JEB, but they might settle for Fiorina (if she continues to rise steadily and is seen as someone who will tow the party line). The DEMS want Hillary, but would settle for Biden (if she gets harpooned by these investigations).

The GOP is afraid of Trump, Carson, Cruz; because they will try to do much of what they are campaigning about(even if they don't succeed at it). The DEMS are fearful of Sanders for the same reason.

The fascination with Trump is simple; he is seen (by his supporters) as someone who will speak for them, rather than for a higher entity who is pulling his strings. This is in-spite of all his Gaffs; as he is "projecting" an image of strength which is lacking among all other candidates (on both sides). The question is just how long can Trump keep it going until he starts wearing thin! This goes back to something Bill Clinton once said:

" people will tend to vote for someone perceived strong & wrong, rather than right but weak"

which is how GWB got elected to his 2nd term over Kerry
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 679
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Posted: 9/24/2015 6:49:56 PM

which is how GWB got elected to his 2nd term over Kerry


With an assist from Diebold voting machines. Remember the county that had a 500% turnout? Over 90% for Bush.

I'm sticking with Oct. 19 as my guess for when he drops out. It's not looking very likely right now, but I'm stubborn. He seems to have plateaued and his support is softening.
 MaleFeasance
Joined: 3/13/2015
Msg: 680
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Posted: 9/24/2015 10:24:02 PM
Trump's biggest draw is that he is not accountable to anyone, admits his faults ( even thought he doesn't apologize for everything, which I don't blame him because he is an adult, not in pre-school") can change his position when he wants ( again, not owing anyone) and says things that people who are not former hippies or not trying to be PC or "cool" actually think.
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No, trump's biggest draw is that he isn't the same bullshit that the rest of the field is. I think it's rather telling that both he and on the democratic side, Bernie Sanders are doing well because it's just not the same old shit in new suit. It probably doesn't even matter exactly what they say, only that they aren't speaking in the same mindless platitudes that were recycled from the last election and the election before that, even though trump's are mostly just different mindless platitudes.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
Msg: 681
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Posted: 9/25/2015 4:22:22 AM
Watching the 2nd GOP debate, I remember again more concretely what I've always hated so much that I want to slap candidates until they cut out the bullsh!t, decade after f-cking decade, and seems to frustrate or sabotage anybody's attempt to make a reasoned decision for their vote - Whether or not it includes an honest or accurate stance, or indication of authentic aptitude for the job that's being applied for...there is always that ever-present prepared mini-monologue by which a candidate says something by-gosh-golly and this-is-righteous and blah-blah-blah. They always put together ahead of time a whole repertoire of a series of sales-pitch statements on each possible subject or issue which they're ready with to pull out of their gun-belt and fire off whenever needed, and also to always throw in and add to whatever answer they do give to some question. This absolutely includes most instances of alleged no-rhetoric straight-talk.

It may be thought that this is inevitable to some degree, and a person may think that they can solve that dilemma by following and researching a candidate's previous career...but that is also fraught with the same not-so-transparent barrier. There's always that feeling that's there's a hazy cloak overlying it all so that you can't really get in there and know what-really-is-what, and we get so used to it that our critical attempts to decipher things are really just working with what we have - the rhetoric itself and the image-creation and image-management.

There's a solution to this, but it's never employed. For example, I don't feel that how a debate is conducted ever even begins to do what should be done. The kinds of questions which are asked and how, and the rules by which candidates are allowed to respond, could be drastically different. Debate conductors and questioners should even be a bit hostile to everyone. They should be grilled and drilled in a different way which pushes them to the edge and really shakes them up such that they can't employ only their public-speaking or face-management skills...in a way which digs things out in a more technical way...which forces them to answer and explain things in ways that don't allow them to depend on their by-gosh-golly statements of facts-and-stats and righteous declarations.
 MaleFeasance
Joined: 3/13/2015
Msg: 682
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Posted: 9/25/2015 4:46:20 AM
They should be grilled and drilled in a different way which pushes them to the edge and really shakes them up such that they can't employ only their public-speaking or face-management skills...in
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Where is Sam Donaldson when you need him?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 683
Donald Trump running for Presidency 2016
Posted: 9/25/2015 9:15:15 AM
So Johnny Orangeman is making a Friday news release that he's resigning end of October? Wonder if there's more to the story. As for Trump bringing more eyeballs to the presidential debates, he might just be getting in the way of actual dialogue on those debates about important subjects. What got Kerry shot down? That Swiftboating sure helped--nothing like targeting a veteran to show GOP support for veterans.

What's Trump's biggest trump? that he says the nonsense supposed-adult voters want to believe. He pushes emotional buttons rather than stimulates the intellectual side of the brain. Trump is the loudmouth asshole in the bar who after a few beers, tells you what's wrong in this country. His argument is shot down with intelligent dialogue, if you can just outshout him....and the other drunks who are self proclaimed experts, spending their day in a bar. people who think that "Speaking your mind" is the same as "revealing anything that is the truth."

they love someone "Speaking their mind" so long as that train of thought runs on their own rails.

as for studying the subject of voter fraud for years, you have to hear about the Diebold machines and Florida voting lists that excludes black people. Its not new material, Greg Palast has written books on it, amongst others. Apparently someone didn't actually study the subject, merely heard things from Faux and accepted them like a baby bird taking regurgitation from its mother's beak. Both parties have a long history of playing with the vote before and after its been cast, from phone calls telling certain neighborhoods to vote a different day (ie, after the voting was over) to Grandfather clauses (where the expression originally came from)
 ICEMAN850
Joined: 12/22/2014
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Posted: 9/25/2015 9:17:43 AM

With an assist from Diebold voting machines. Remember the county that had a 500% turnout? Over 90% for Bush.


Strange seeing a left winger admit voter fraud.... Though I've studied the subject for years and this is the first time I've ever heard of this actuation.

However if you check the link below you will see where the actual voter fraud is.......



http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 685
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Posted: 9/25/2015 10:51:38 AM
Yeah, I'm not going to bother.

The thing is, the left was shouting about election fraud for a long time. But left wing voices don't get any media access. Bush's reelection was completely fraudulent. All the exit polls showed Kerry winning, but the voting machines reported Bush. Lots and lots of reports of people voting Democratic and the machines registering Republican.

That's why the right wing started planting the phony election fraud stories - to try to make it a "Both sides do it" thing. Election fraud is rampant and confined to the Republican party.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 686
Donald Trump running for Presidency 2016
Posted: 9/25/2015 11:52:53 AM
I think it was Times Picayune who did a recount of Florida and found Gore won. Too bad he cherry picked districts rather than just doing the whole state. In any other country, if the son of a former head of the intelligence agency won an election in a state his brother was governor, a recount would be requested by the world community.

and the rest, of course, has become history. A report titled "Bin Ladin determined to strike the US" is ignored b/c it comes from a Democrat, and a war in the Mideast gets launched that will ripple thru history like a stone dropped in a lake.
 villabolos
Joined: 7/24/2015
Msg: 687
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Posted: 9/25/2015 12:50:55 PM
Please. They are almost all fraudsters.
If you stand by/vote for a politician just because they are a Republican or Democrat, black or white or hispanic, Christian or not, rich or poor, you are just as much of a fool as they think you are.
America votes down these lines and not on the things that are really important.
America has never been more divided.


Certain posters keep wanting to bring up the Republicans love of the Bush family. I have yet to talk to anybody who will be voting for Jeb. He's at about 5% or so in the polls. Last poll I saw, he was even losing in his home state.
The Bush family days in national politics appear to be over. Keep talking about them though.

I, too,wonder how certain politicians keep getting re-elected.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 688
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Posted: 9/25/2015 12:55:21 PM
Gto
"What's Trump's biggest trump? that he says the nonsense supposed-adult voters want to believe. He pushes emotional buttons rather than stimulates the intellectual side of the brain. Trump is the loudmouth ***hole in the bar who after a few beers, tells you what's wrong in this country. His argument is shot down with intelligent dialogue, if you can just outshout him....and the other drunks who are self proclaimed experts, spending their day in a bar. people who think that "Speaking your mind" is the same as "revealing anything that is the truth."

Whilst i know the point you are trying to put over is the loudmouth in the bar saying whats wrong with the country that much different from the holier than thou smug intolerant illiberal liberal twatteratti using their 'outrage' to try and silence views they do not agree with?

Because i think they are both the same. Except loudmouth in the bar connects with the working class whereas intolerant illiberal liberal hates the working class and views them as too stupid to have views.

Elitists just LOVE to sneer at 'the common people'

Common People by uk hit combo Pulp.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yuTMWgOduFM

Maybe intolerant illiberal liberals should listen to the words of the song. Because they do not have a fvckin clue about the 'common people'.

P.s. have none of YOU intolerant illiberal liberals never thought that MAYBE loudmouth in the bar has a point?

Na yous are too far up your own smug arses to think working folk can think and see and take in what is going on.
Beware. One day working folk will exact revenge on the intolerant illiberal liberals who create shitehole lives for the working class whilst ensconced safely in a nice safe leafy white middle class money laden safety.

Reap what ye sow.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 689
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Posted: 9/25/2015 1:20:07 PM
Is that^^^^an intolerant conservative extremist trying to silence Democrat posters?

Yea, all us middle-class democrats are elitists...sitting in our little houses driving the Chevy to our middle class jobs...the thing that sets us apart from Joe the plumber extremist republican is our education...most of us have some.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 9/25/2015 1:29:12 PM
Good point big yin. But CONSERVATIVE??????? My auld man and auld dear would have slapped me if i EVER was conservative.

I am a socialist. Always have been. I just dislike when working class folk get sneered at because they do not follow the crap that the intolerant
illiberal liberal elite foist upon them.

I'm actually surprised you taking that view big yin. The intolerant illiberal liberals have the media on their side. They DO NOT live the lives we lead.
They know nothing about OUR hopes and fears.

They couldnt give a toss about OUR wages dropping. Na i wouldnt silence intolerant illiberal liberals. They will hang themselves in their own dogma.

Just look on here big yin. Christians? Fair game. Muslims? Lol the posters shite themselves.

Reap what ye sow

P.s. here big yin. Good to see you think plumbers are too stupid compared to folk who pay more in taxes than some folk earn.
(Now WHO made that statement?)

Pps dont all those 'brainy' folk need the stupid and ignorant to do their decorating and plumbing? Serve them their toilet rolls? Unless yous 'brainy' folk dont shite like we do.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 691
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Posted: 9/25/2015 8:44:55 PM
Its officially snowing in hell...I agree with something Vlad posted (msg 724). I moved out of my parents' house at 18 years of age, and worked most of my spare moments to pay for both my apartment and my public university tuition (cheap back then, a little over $2000, then the Republicans took over and refused to subsidize it, so much for an educated populace) and books and such. is education worth subsidizing for a better job environment? well, that's a debate for another time.

I was the proverbial low man on the totem pole for a family run business. They were the only act in a small town, so they had no competition, and America had the best economy ever. All these morons had to do was unlock the front door, and the money came in.

I got to witness firsthand, their silverspoon-in-mouth mindset. they were the big fish in a tiny pond, and thought they did everyone a favor by hiring them to work. but as the economy went into the tank, they revealed they have very, very little clue how to actually run a business, and its been going into the ground ever since. there's just no local competition yet to actually drive the stake thru their heart. no one wants to see the "little guys" go under.

So, I saw the "ivory tower idiots" at university pontificating, with no idea outside of tenure how reality really was. I had older managers at work who thought a young kid like me could have no clue. I watched businessmen flounder on the job. Listened to workingmen who would always be workingmen b/c they didn't know how to move up, or wouldn't work hard enough to do so. I saw a lot of idiots. Meanwhile, I had moved out of my parents' house b/c for all my father's degrees and accomplishments, he had a total lack of common sense. So I already knew the only measure of a man was what he did every day, not what he accomplished or what degrees he had on the wall or what he inherited from his father. did he have his head up his ass, or didn't he?

I did meet some intelligent people, and they came from all walks of life. you had to not be blinded by the titles and the office and all the other ceremonial bullshit. you simply had to know what intelligence really, truly looks like. and then you have to get your ego out of the way to actually listen to the words coming out of every mouth, to know who's full of it and who's intelligent.

Working folks wrecking havoc on the illiberal liberals? yeah, that looks exactly like Black Lives Matter, Watts, and every other riot in America. The working class and the poor riot against the people who keep them down. The ones who create the messy lives they have, lock them financially with "rent-to-own" stores and late fees on credit cards. and guess who it is that shoots the rioters and keeps them back into place?

Hate Marx all one wants, and this may be where we disagree, but so long as the working class fails at class conscious, so long as the white working class believes the tripe Trump sells and thinks the problems of the white working class is the Mexican working class and the Syrian working class and all the other working class who don't have the same skin color...its gonna be the Republican party and the police they keep saying they should support, who will man the other side of the barracades and fire the rubber bullets.
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 9/25/2015 10:56:53 PM
GTO
"Hate Marx all one wants, and this may be where we disagree, but so long as the working class fails at class conscious, so long as the white working class believes the tripe Trump sells and thinks the problems of the white working class is the Mexican working class and the Syrian working class and all the other working class who don't have the same skin color...its gonna be the Republican party and the police they keep saying they should support, who will man the other side of the barracades and fire the rubber bullets."

Boss post mate. You are at least seeing some of the woods through the trees. In fact you are correct in that i disagree with your comment up there. Trump may sell the white working class something. Because maybe just maybe he is the only one listening to their hopes and fears.

Who talks for the white working class? There are plenty of race industry middle class whites representing black, hispanic or any other folk. They in turn blame white folk. That is the way it is mate. White folk want a voice as well. I do not see, read or here many politicians in shermanland putting over a voice for poor white folk. Instead they play on their patriotic side whilst still shafting them.

It never ceases to amaze me how many white intolerant illiberal liberals take offense or speak on behalf of black folks. They patronise black folk terribly. It is like they think black folk cannot think or speak for themselves.

There is no nation on earth (apart from maybe india with the caste system) like these islands where class is a major factor. Our upper class are arseholes. Our wealthy middle class couldn't give a toss about the working class. The labour party who used to represent the working class have betrayed them. We the white working class have no voice. We already have a net migrant population of around 350,000 per year. We are the most over populated nation in europe. There is just not the work or services to cope. Have a wee look at this link.

"Homelessness figures: Nearly 100,000 children in England 'homeless'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34346908

How the fvck can we take thousands of syrian refugees? Then the countless thousands of economic refugees? The rich and the big businesses love it. Cheap labour you see. Wages can then be cut. Intolerant illiberal liberals love it. Loads of nice folk they can pat on the head and speak for them. And us? Lets say we take 20,000 syrian refugees. Add them to the 350,000 who arrive yearly. They all need somewhere to stay. They need fed. They need health care. And ultimately if they are not to live of the tax payer they need work.

Yet 100,000 children are classed as homeless in england. So their parent/s are homeless as well. Who is taking up the cudgel for them? No one is. That is when nationalist populist politics take over. Europe is going to explode into racial strife. Then the countless thousands of muslims who do not want to integrate, who do not want to live and let live shall end up at war with european society. And which europeans will be in the front line? The white working class.

If no mainstream political group is prepared to listen to us then someone will come along who is prepared. Then?

Retribution time.

If only the wealthy and the intolerant illiberal liberals had to live in the shite housing schemes where drugs and violence is common place. If only the wealthy and the intolerant illiberal liberals had to take wage cuts just to keep a job and put food on the table. Then i MIGHT listen to what they have to say. Until then i await the collapse of the eu. And when that happens moscow not washington will be the main beneficiary.

Good morning from a dug sitting today Vlad MacDracul

Ps. Cops kill white folks as well mate.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 693
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Posted: 9/26/2015 4:49:24 AM
You Two should pay closer attention. Not just whites like Trump. Americans of all stripes like Trump and what he is saying. American Blacks and American and legal Latinos and Asians have lost jobs to illegals. They also don't want the brazenly and obviously illegal (some brag) Indian influx.

They don't want any "refugees," either.

You won't hear many say it in mixed company because some liberal will yell at them and say, "How could you, trump is a racist." So they keep it to themselves.

It is not about the color of the immigrants. Illegal Russians look like you. No one wants them to stay either. It is just that the government isn't spending billions to post and translate everything into Russian or taking billions out of public education for Spanish language curriculum and classrooms and I have yet to hear press one for English, three for Russian.

(Vlad. Most of that stuff the liberal press and loud liberals bring up as allegedly offensive to or representative of blacks, your average black is not interested, not offended and couldn't care less.)
 MIOAK
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 694
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Posted: 9/26/2015 10:25:27 AM
Ah , Dee , it is about race. The Hart Cellar Bill determined that White Euros would be granted little or no entry to US. Anti whites such as shumer . mccain , and teddy "lifeguard" kennedy were complicit in racial sedition.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 695
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Posted: 9/26/2015 12:36:25 PM
Liking Donald Trump is not about race.

The Hart Cellar Bill was drafted and sent through by what type of people, demographically speaking? Sounds like suicide.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 9/26/2015 12:48:12 PM
Again, if you really like what Trump is advocating, then make sure that if you get the chance, vote Trump for President, and nothing but Democrats for every other office, Senate and below. Because the Republican Party has long established opposition to most of what Trump claims to support.

Specifically, they oppose in detail, doing any of what is specifically necessary to actually deal with any of the problems they pretend to care about.

They claim to want to combat illegals in the US, but oppose both requiring ID's for citizens, and holding employers legally responsible for hiring illegals.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 697
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Posted: 9/26/2015 1:21:28 PM
gosh, didn't take long for Dee to start throwing around the race card. Apparently its some rule about how long it takes certain people to bring it up. I can't remember the name of the rule, its get mentioned so infrequently.

Igor, good post. good points. Everyone wave your hand, and in your best Obi Wan Kenobi voice say, "This isn't the Republican you're looking for". perhaps the mind trick will eventually work.
 cotter
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:18:04 PM
Message 372 ...
They claim to want to combat illegals in the US, but oppose both requiring ID's for citizens, and holding employers legally responsible for hiring illegals.
Igor ... are you talking about a "federal" law (passed in the house and senate) regarding ID's? I know you're usually right about things but what about the states who are pushing for ID's?

If they pass a law in congress about ID's for voting, can the states still enforce their own ID laws?
 daynadaze
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:53:31 PM
Donald has no problem with what he thinks are pretty white immigrants women, in fact he married a couple of them, it's the brown people coming across the Mexican boarder because that's what is riling up a lot of people lately. So that's one of his plots to get votes from voters who don't usually vote. If he thought the mass of voters he's trying to tap into were pro Mexican immigrants, he's be shouting about tearing down those walls!, er fences. He's not interested in the middle class or their problems, he's interested in making a lot of money and being president so he can say he did that. I'd understand if he was really looking out for the middle class, but I don't get why these people can't see through him. He is giving us a reality check into how gullible people can be.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 700
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Posted: 9/26/2015 3:20:57 PM

daynadaze :
Donald has no problem with what he thinks are pretty white immigrants women, in fact he married a couple of them, it's the brown people


Trump current wife, Melania Knauss-Trump was born in Slovenia, (the Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia) and had been living in this country for about 10 years when she married Donald Trump in January 22, 2005. And the next year, after marrying Trump, she became a citizen -- a decade after arriving in America.

And of course, Trump's first wife, Ivana, was an immigrant too. Born in Czechoslovakia, she married an Austrian ski instructor in order to get a foreign passport to leave the communist country,

She and Trump married in 1977, but she didn't become an American citizen for another 11 years. In other words, Donald Trump is a hypocrite. Maybe he should start deporting his immigrant wife and his own anchor children.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-wives/index.html
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