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 IgorFrankensteen
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Again, if you really like what Trump is advocating, then make sure that if you get the chance, vote Trump for President, and nothing but Democrats for every other office, Senate and below. Because the Republican Party has long established opposition to most of what Trump claims to support.

Specifically, they oppose in detail, doing any of what is specifically necessary to actually deal with any of the problems they pretend to care about.

They claim to want to combat illegals in the US, but oppose both requiring ID's for citizens, and holding employers legally responsible for hiring illegals.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 697
Donald Trump jogging for...something in 2016
Posted: 9/26/2015 1:21:28 PM
gosh, didn't take long for Dee to start throwing around the race card. Apparently its some rule about how long it takes certain people to bring it up. I can't remember the name of the rule, its get mentioned so infrequently.

Igor, good post. good points. Everyone wave your hand, and in your best Obi Wan Kenobi voice say, "This isn't the Republican you're looking for". perhaps the mind trick will eventually work.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:18:04 PM
Message 372 ...
They claim to want to combat illegals in the US, but oppose both requiring ID's for citizens, and holding employers legally responsible for hiring illegals.
Igor ... are you talking about a "federal" law (passed in the house and senate) regarding ID's? I know you're usually right about things but what about the states who are pushing for ID's?

If they pass a law in congress about ID's for voting, can the states still enforce their own ID laws?
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 9/26/2015 2:53:31 PM
Donald has no problem with what he thinks are pretty white immigrants women, in fact he married a couple of them, it's the brown people coming across the Mexican boarder because that's what is riling up a lot of people lately. So that's one of his plots to get votes from voters who don't usually vote. If he thought the mass of voters he's trying to tap into were pro Mexican immigrants, he's be shouting about tearing down those walls!, er fences. He's not interested in the middle class or their problems, he's interested in making a lot of money and being president so he can say he did that. I'd understand if he was really looking out for the middle class, but I don't get why these people can't see through him. He is giving us a reality check into how gullible people can be.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 700
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Posted: 9/26/2015 3:20:57 PM

daynadaze :
Donald has no problem with what he thinks are pretty white immigrants women, in fact he married a couple of them, it's the brown people


Trump current wife, Melania Knauss-Trump was born in Slovenia, (the Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia) and had been living in this country for about 10 years when she married Donald Trump in January 22, 2005. And the next year, after marrying Trump, she became a citizen -- a decade after arriving in America.

And of course, Trump's first wife, Ivana, was an immigrant too. Born in Czechoslovakia, she married an Austrian ski instructor in order to get a foreign passport to leave the communist country,

She and Trump married in 1977, but she didn't become an American citizen for another 11 years. In other words, Donald Trump is a hypocrite. Maybe he should start deporting his immigrant wife and his own anchor children.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politics/donald-trump-immigrant-wives/index.html
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 9/26/2015 5:09:43 PM
Message 735 ...
... it's the brown people coming across the Mexican boarder because that's what is riling up a lot of people lately.
Actually, Dayna ... I even heard him finally addressing the "China anchor baby" issue not so long ago ... and then he always ends it by saying he "loves China".

So that's one of his plots to get votes from voters who don't usually vote.
Agree.

If he thought the mass of voters he's trying to tap into were pro Mexican immigrants, he's be shouting about tearing down those walls!, er fences.
Absolutely.

He's not interested in the middle class or their problems, he's interested in making a lot of money and being president so he can say he did that.
He's interested in the rich getting richer ... that's for sure.

I'd understand if he was really looking out for the middle class ...
He can't identify with the "middle class" because he's never been anything but wealthy.

... but I don't get why these people can't see through him.
They're "star-dazzled" by him. On the other hand, his past few speeches have not been for large audiences.

He is giving us a reality check into how gullible people can be.
I think we got that with all the people who voted for Mr. 47%! Even though people knew how he felt about them ... they still ran out and pulled the lever for him!
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 702
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Posted: 9/26/2015 5:46:15 PM
A-(insert a statement about ANYTHING but race)

B- Race is the issue. Race is the cause.

A- This has nothing to do with race. People of all races feel that way.

B+ Well, your race (pick one) a). Should be insulted or b). Is the problem.

A- My race is not involved in the decisions

B-Why are you playing the race card?

Budumpbump, cymbal crash.

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Why does the word "illegal" get ignored?
 drinkthesunwithmyface
Joined: 3/27/2012
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Posted: 9/26/2015 9:51:33 PM
Trump certainly has some problems, or political liabilities, which he may not be able to just keep bulldozing through. I sure wish he'd explain himself a little more, and stop using the same bold declarations over and over.
 MIOAK
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 704
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Posted: 9/27/2015 3:30:56 PM
@ msg 736. Trump sure chose beautiful women. He knew were to find them. By all accounts he treated and treats women well. I'm not voting for him but I have never heard of Trump drugging , raping and then sellin his puddin pop. So, the beauties became citizens. Do you have a problem with White Legal Immigration?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 3/5/2011
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Posted: 9/28/2015 6:06:44 AM

MIOAK :
@ msg 736. Trump sure chose beautiful women. He knew were to find them. By all accounts he treated and treats women well. I'm not voting for him but I have never heard of Trump drugging , raping and then sellin his puddin pop. So, the beauties became citizens. Do you have a problem with White Legal Immigration?


Who said anyone had a problem with white legal immigration? Contrary to what you might think, we are a nation of immigrants.


MIOAK :
By all accounts he treated and treats women well. I'm not voting for him but I have never heard of Trump drugging , raping and then sellin his puddin pop.



From the book, “Lost Tycoon - The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump”, written by Harry Hurt III:
Ivana starts crying and screaming. The entire bed is being covered with strands of golden locks. But the Donald is not finished. He rips off her clothes and unzips his pants. Then he jams his p*nis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months.

Ivana is terrified. This is not lovemaking. This is not romantic sex. It is a violent assault. She later describes what The Donald is doing to her in no uncertain terms. According to the versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, “He r*ped me”.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 706
Donald Trump running for Presidency 2016
Posted: 9/28/2015 6:11:31 AM
Several posts incorrectly conflate illegal immigrants with legal immigrants.

They are not the same.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 707
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Posted: 9/28/2015 1:33:14 PM
From The Economist: Donald Trump's tax plan is a fantasy


IT takes a certain chutzpah to propose bigger tax cuts than your rival, claim your plan is cheaper and then suggest your sums add up due to “common sense”. This is what Donald Trump, the iconoclastic frontrunner for the Republican nomination, did on the morning of September 28th, when he became the second Republican candidate to publish a tax plan, following Jeb Bush’s effort earlier this month. Critics of Mr Bush’s plan said it was a giveaway for high-earners, funded by optimistic assumptions about its effect on growth. On both counts, Mr Trump, who has never suffered from a lack of gall, makes Mr Bush look positively ****footed.

Mr Trump is supposed to be a new kind of politician; a straight-talker who, freed from the usual constraints of politics by his billions, tells it like it is. But promising to fund tax cuts by closing unspecified loopholes is an old political wheeze. Mr Trump says the country’s “top” economists helped to develop his plan; alas, for now they remain anonymous. Any contributor would be wise to stay in the background. Mr Trump’s plan is twaddle.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2015/09/trumponomics
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 9/28/2015 4:54:40 PM
I believe that what Trump has in mind is growing the economy in a variety of ways which will allegedly more than compensate for lower taxes, etc.

I have for many years played a game called SimCity 4 Deluxe...you'd have to be real familiar with it to understand this...and I've built and managed probably hundreds of cities by now. Its a bit complicated, and if you're trying to really do it right and end up with something that has perpetual vitality in many ways, you will fail most of the time as I have. One of the many truths revealed, at least in the game, is that I can be quite successful by having quite low taxes across the board, yet a big budget to work with and a very large and very vibrant city because I address things in other ways indirectly and with a long term stable endeavor, by making my citizens wealthy and capable overall.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 9/28/2015 5:13:07 PM
Its never cynical to trust anyone other than your parents who tells you, "Oh, trust me, this is going to hurt me more than its going to hurt you."

But what Trump is proposing is the old Republican economic theory Reagan started, called trickle down economics. But as America's best economic times revealed, trickleup economics work far better. If the hoi polloi have credit or a paycheck, they tend to spend it locally rather than invest it in a bank or financial institution or a foreign market. When the worker spends locally, local governments get tax money from the businesses that sprout up to serve the local workers, and the local governements need less Federal handouts.

Up until this, Trump was the equivalent of a Republican phart. They felt him coming, did nothing, the children thought the noise was funny, the adults couldn't wave the stink away and blamed everyone else for creating it. Now Trump has followed in the footsteps of other rich Republicans saying, "trust me, I'm going to hurt myself to help the greater good...as I always have."
 DonaldTrumpsGoogleHistory
Joined: 9/26/2015
Msg: 710
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Posted: 9/29/2015 12:53:05 PM
This may come as a surprise, but Trumps economic plan will lower his tax rate along with adding trillions to the national debt.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 9/29/2015 3:54:33 PM
We need to pass a new law...call it the trump law - Because and only because he is making such bold statements about how he will be successful, if Trump becomes president and adds trillions to the national debt or does anything else which is drastically different than what he boldly declares, then he is put up in front of a firing squad and shot to death. Told "you're fired" right before the shots.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 712
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Posted: 9/29/2015 6:33:18 PM

if Trump becomes president and adds trillions to the national debt or does anything else which is drastically different than what he boldly declares, then he is put up in front of a firing squad and shot to death. Told "you're fired" right before the shots.


^^^
LMAO. Now this is a great idea!
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 713
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Posted: 9/29/2015 6:55:33 PM
#745


what Trump is proposing is the old Republican economic theory Reagan started, called trickle down economics.


his plan goes beyond that; he is advocating for little or no "income" tax on the middle class; and lower taxes on the wealthy; meaning that he will need to implement sizeable consumption taxes to make up for depleting the treasury of revenue. Taxes on food & medicine may soon be a reality if he has it his way; but I doubt even with a GOP majority, will he ever be able to carry this out.

JEB seems to want a continuation of what his brother did (which is repulsing even to Trump), by just advocating for more tax cuts for the rich (thinking that if the last ones weren't enough, just cut some more).
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 714
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Posted: 9/30/2015 4:42:23 AM

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump's tax plan would cost an eye-popping $12 trillion over 10 years, according a new estimate that runs directly counter to the billionaire's pledge not to increase the deficit with the proposal.

The conservative Tax Foundation, which has been scoring candidates' tax proposals throughout the race, found that Trump's changes to the individual tax code would add $10.2 trillion to the deficit using traditional scoring methods, his corporate tax cuts would add $1.54 trillion and his proposal to eliminate the estate tax would add another $238 billion.

In addition, the gains from the cuts would disproportionately benefit ultra-wealthy Americans like Trump, whose personal income, business earnings and inheritors all stand to gain from a number of its provisions. According to the analysis, the wealthiest 1% of Americans would see their after-tax incomes increase by 21.6% versus just 1.4% for the poorest 10%.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/tax-group-trump-tax-plan-would-cost-12-trillion-n435666
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 715
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Posted: 9/30/2015 9:36:34 AM

I believe that what Trump has in mind is growing the economy in a variety of ways which will allegedly more than compensate for lower taxes, etc.

I have for many years played a game called SimCity 4 Deluxe...you'd have to be real familiar with it to understand this...and I've built and managed probably hundreds of cities by now. Its a bit complicated, and if you're trying to really do it right and end up with something that has perpetual vitality in many ways, you will fail most of the time as I have. One of the many truths revealed, at least in the game, is that I can be quite successful by having quite low taxes across the board, yet a big budget to work with and a very large and very vibrant city because I address things in other ways indirectly and with a long term stable endeavor, by making my citizens wealthy and capable overall.

If I read you right, that doesn't surprise me at all. One can lower taxes and actually increase tax revenues from the ensuing growth. The catch is that when Reagan accomplished this, it was made possible by massive debt spending on the aerospace and defense sector with the goal of fighting and outspending the Soviets-- the "stable endeavor."

It is simply "borrow and spend" in favor of "tax and spend," and is one of the many reasons I switched from a Republican to Democrat voter. Clinton, in contrast, raised taxes, rolled back defense spending, yet still had massive growth via the dot com boom and had budget surpluses to show for it. Reagan's growth worked via debt spending, whereas Clinton's worked via good fortune. I have found that Republican voters and politicians are only concerned about budget deficits and national debt when a Democrat resides in the White House...
 pontogoldworth
Joined: 9/26/2015
Msg: 716
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Posted: 9/30/2015 11:22:59 AM
It was Reagan who actually started the spiraling of the deficit with his nonsensical trickle down theory. It didn't work then and won't now. It does the economy no good to have most of the money in the hands of a few who will never be able to spend it in their lifetimes.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 717
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Posted: 9/30/2015 3:23:07 PM
"I have for many years played a (computer simulation) game called SimCity 4 Deluxe...you'd have to be real familiar with it to understand this...and I've built and managed probably hundreds of cities by now. Its a bit complicated...you will fail (many times) . One of the many truths revealed, at least in the game, is that I can be quite successful by having quite low taxes across the board, YET A BIG BUDGET to work with and a very large and very vibrant city because I address things in other ways indirectly and with a long term stable endeavor, by making my citizens wealthy and capable overall."

>>there are times where computer simulations come real close to reality. How do low taxes work? when a lot of people are paying a lot of those low taxes, which then creates a big budget. Unfortunately, the baby boom generation who worked and had paychecks, are now slipping into retirement, where their tax rate can go lower. Also, what they were spending back in their heyday wasn't always cash, but credit. If it wasn't for credit, they may not have been able to afford that housing boom that got people out of the cities.

A sputtering economic engine, doesn't create a lot of paychecks for people to pay income taxes on. so how do you infuse cash into a sputtering economic engine, so that people spend more locally, which gives local businesses money to buy more product? by giving 1% of the population more money to hand to a financial investor who will buy stocks in companies that are already financially secure (ie, safe) or risky foreign markets, or by giving money to a wide range of consumers and letting the money trickle up ?

oh, there is that credit thing. Some of us might remember the Savings and Loan crisis. Deregulated banks overloaned money. Then recently we had a second bank crisis. Guess what family was in the White House both times? uh oh.

as for what middle class might possibly replace the one we had from the 1960's thru the Clinton era...most economic experts are pointing to...wait for it...immigrants who come to America, do well, and then elevate. or get their "anchor babies" into school and maybe they become some internet sensation. that's right, record immigration numbers might make up a population bubble in America.

the people who might possibly make "America great again"...are the ones we accuse of changing what it looks and sounds like. ain't that ironic.
 pontogoldworth
Joined: 9/26/2015
Msg: 718
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Posted: 9/30/2015 3:32:07 PM
^^^ If you want to read what we face, read some publications from Harry Dent regarding the demographic bomb. Essentially, as the baby boomers retire, and we are all getting close, we significantly slow our spending. We downsize instead of upsize.

The generations that are following the boomers have neither the numbers nor the wealth to power the economy the way the boomers did. So who is going to be left to buy all of the mcmansions as the boomers go to Condos, spend less on everything from furniture, and appliances to travel.

This has got to reverberate through the economy. We are on the downslide.

The stock market is probably even now at the end of the bull and has entered bear territory.

This coming Bear may well be a big one.

Of course the market works in cycles. We are due for a bear market and we will be back in a bull soon enough.

But the economy will never be what it was in the past. We will never have the wealthy middle class as in days gone by.
 drinkthesunwithmyface
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Posted: 9/30/2015 4:39:57 PM
Seems like we already have some bear. The bull done runned away.

I hope Trump isn't planning on fixing everything by running debt really high, and then just having America file for bankruptcy.

Some things about SimCity 4 Deluxe make me think that it should be one of many other things I have in mind that would be required (playing it several times and doing well) for anyone trying to be in certain positions of responsibility and authority. But, it can come only so close to reality. For example, I often barely have any kind of police-presence...police stations here and there...because I found that if my virtual citizens have lots of educational and employment opportunities (and so high education for everyone, and a good variety/plenty of jobs, etc) along with other things that I institute in my cities, like having to do with quality of living/city life, I hardly have any crime. Extremely low crime rates, sometimes none at all. However, I know that in the real world...there can still be quite a bit of crime. For reasons untouched by educational levels, wealth, and quality of life. All kinds of other factors at play which hasn't been put into the game.

Maybe mister Trump imagines certain economic effects stemming from deportation of illegals including those illegals doing what they have to do to get back in legally, as part of his overall idea. I can think of several different kinds of things that businesses (and the workforce) at many levels would have to do to adjust, or "get" to do in some cases. But all of the things which immediately come to my mind are a mixed bag of potential negatives and positives. Meaning that I'm not sure just how it would all add up in the end, and this includes that degree of unpredictability in the whole machine.

btw, It's been hard to feel like I have a good read on any of the candidates, but I am now thinking that I don't much like Fiorina. And might...might...kinda-sorta like Christie. One maybe two others, can't remember. But don't hold me to any of that. Most judgement that I try to make on such things has very little to do the obvious 'surface' stuff they talk about or the details of their opinions on certain things.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 720
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Posted: 9/30/2015 4:40:06 PM
Well, I'm old. Old enough to remember how Reagan plunged the economy into deep, deep recession, then got saved by the Boomers and a consumer lead recovery. They hit their 30's, had kids, bought houses and minivans. Despite the policies of high interest rates to discourage consumer spending, the Boomers needed things with families.

The Millenials are a bigger generation than the original Baby Boom. And they are approaching their 30's. They will do exactly what every generation before them has done. Even terrible economic policies won't be able to stop that. Of course, it would be better if there were sensible policies. But that would mean looking at things like facts - and there is one political party for which that is anathema.
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