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 MaleFeasance
Joined: 3/13/2015
Msg: 226
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So you are saying that Hilbert, Poincaire, Lorentz, Bohr, Maxwell, De Prietto never existed?
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No, I'm saying you don't know enough about any of those people nor understand what they did to even have a valid opinion. To paraphrase grigori perlman, you aren't qualified to judge them, even positively.

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There is interesting history here and smart folks who do math (like Hilbert had to do for Einstein)
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Case in point. If you actually knew anything about general relativity, you would know that statement can't be true or false because it doesn't even make any sense.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 227
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Posted: 8/25/2015 3:39:14 AM

Msg 232: The Chinese called the unicorn 'K'i-lin'. To them, it was a symbol of wisdom.


I wonder what the tooth fairy and Easter bunny are symbols of to the Chinese.
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 228
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:12:21 AM
I like unicorns. I am about to marry one.
 ohenryx
Joined: 3/12/2010
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Posted: 8/25/2015 9:07:47 AM

InnerGorilla
I like unicorns. I am about to marry one.

Before you make a statement like that in public, you might want to go to urbandictionary.com and look up “unicorn”. Very interesting reading.


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 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 230
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:48:11 AM

Before you make a statement like that in public, you might want to go to urbandictionary.com and look up “unicorn”. Very interesting reading.


Holly crap, I didn't know it had that meaning. Thanks OHenry.

This is what that urban dictionary said.

"Colloquial; Synonym for hot bi babe or HBB, often derogatory, condescending, or ironic. A bisexual person, usually though not always female, who is willing to join an existing couple, often with the presumption that this person will date and become sexually involved with both members of that couple, and not demand anything or do anything which might cause problems or inconvenience to that couple."


Not what I wanted to mean. I meant that my girl is so unique, so different, it does not exist.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 231
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Posted: 8/25/2015 11:36:18 AM
Gee thanks Malfeasance for pointing out the knee jerk glib response one gets for challenging the Cult of Personality. So you have a crystal ball and through it you know my profession, my education, and the company I may or may not keep, and what my qualifications are? No it is text book backlash stemming from your Identity Politics. Interesting as it is typical.

Can you describe to us how the one-way knowledge transfer from Hilbert to Einstein does not make sense (as there is physical documentation of it)? Maybe Hilbert and Einstein were accelerating through space-time at different rates? Actually it might have more to say about Einstein's academic mediocrity, his reliance on other mathematicians for his foundations and proof solves, his quote "it came to me in my dreams", his lack of citations in his work, his radical politics, his best friend in the publishing business, his working at a patent office where copyright material would come across his desk, ... and, most importantly the lack of courage of those who do know better but are too afraid of rocking the boat at most Universities.

Actually there are others I should have added to the list: Fitzgerald, Brown, Hertz, Planck, Maric.

You know there are people who refuse to believe that Dr. Willis Carrier invented the air conditioner? Even when you show them the irrefutable proof of the patent itself. Why? Identity politics! Some people's become their own lies I guess.

So, going back to deal breakers in dating: Identity politics would be one for me.
 rearguard*2
Joined: 2/8/2008
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Posted: 8/25/2015 12:18:39 PM
People are always ready to accept the cult of personality basis of history. Of course, when one examines the details of almost any significant advance in human thought or art, you quickly see that that advance happened within a context of many other trials and trends that made the advance possible. Without the thousands of years of development of mathematics and the advent of technologies capable of delivering observations, none of the advances in modern physics would have happened.

Humans mark consensus about advances with things like the Nobel Prize, or other awards in other disciplines. Who gets the credit is determined by vote of one kind or another and while the myriad of failed efforts are rarely given credit, the fact that these failed efforts cleared the way for others to advance is, IMO, just as significant as the efforts that succeeded. Without the knowledge of the failures, time an effort would be wasted repeating needlessly the failures themselves.

Of course Einstein's insights did not coalesce out of a vacuum. There is no point in trying to qualify his achievements, as if he never existed, some other personality would have emerged and been credited with insights to the way forward. The idea of the atom was originally documented by Plato, and the ancient Greeks certainly knew about the problems of observation and the difficulties of the geometry of reality. These concepts have reached their current refinements thanks to many contributions over the millennia, and there is really nobody in particular that deserves all the credit to the exclusion of all the others.
 andremeda
Joined: 8/17/2015
Msg: 233
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Posted: 8/25/2015 12:31:32 PM

No, I'm saying you don't know enough about any of those people nor understand what they did to even have a valid opinion. To paraphrase grigori perlman, you aren't qualified to judge them, even positively.


Very true. Einstein's theories were based on intuition and pure thought, without citation precisely because there was nothing that came before to build his ideas on. Of course, he had a Doctorate in Physics and the solid foundation in Physics that was built up by those who came before him.

Only the truly ignorant could hypothesize that Einstein plagiarized his ideas from the patent office wherein he worked. but working at the patent office probably freed his mind to write the five miracle papers he wrote during that era.

There are some great biographies of Einstein out there, and this Month's Scientific American is dedicated to him and the one hundred year anniversary of relativity.

No question he is the greatest scientist since Newton. He was not however the greatest Mathematician, and did sometimes need help in formulating his proofs.
 browneyesboo
Joined: 8/14/2015
Msg: 234
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Posted: 8/25/2015 1:39:17 PM
I'm pretty sure his wife was a better mathematician than he was.
The papers he published in 1905 put him in the history books, IMO.
I think he simplified e=kmc2 or e-mc2, certainly wasn't the first to discover it.
I also think he gave credit to the people who's discoveries he piggybacked.

Not sure anyone can take away his contributions to GR .
I think he had this genius about many things, but lacked common sense
and understanding of simple things...like math.

I certainly wouldn't consider him a fraud.
 andremeda
Joined: 8/17/2015
Msg: 235
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Posted: 8/25/2015 1:53:12 PM
Towards the end of his life, he liked playing the absent minded professor persona with the wild hair. In his earlier days he was a fastidious dresser and the women, as i understand it, loved him.

In school, he always excelled in math and physics . . . but was originally rejected from the Polytechnic institute because his tests in other subjects were not where they should have been, which makes sense given he had no interest in those subjects.

There are all sorts of revisionist histories trying to detract from Einstein's discoveries, including relativity and including E=Mc2 . . but there is no doubt he perfected that equation and unambiguously was the first to report it.

Not sure how you judge common sense, but when I read his political philosophies, I think it pretty clear he had a lot more common sense than most people.
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 236
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Posted: 8/25/2015 2:28:49 PM
VMin

...got the usual knee jerk gender politics (from men even - how crazy is that!).

What? Did you expect all men to have your particular brand of logic?


Gee thanks Malfeasance for pointing out the knee jerk glib response one gets for challenging the Cult of Personality. So you have a crystal ball and through it you know my profession, my education, and the company I may or may not keep, and what my qualifications are? No it is text book backlash stemming from your Identity Politics. Interesting as it is typical.

Your response bears no relation to rationality or logic of any kind.
Are you on drugs?
Have you had sleep in the last 48 hours?
Have you had 32 ounces of Five-Hour Energy?
 browneyesboo
Joined: 8/14/2015
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Posted: 8/25/2015 4:14:52 PM
Naaaa. He was actually not that good at math.
when I read about him, I get the sense he was an
eccentric genius...at times a bit dotty.
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 238
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Posted: 8/25/2015 6:05:46 PM
Sactownromantic - electrons in two places at the same time? I like that one also. Such a wonderful, contradictory universe.

Clooneysmentor - I also like the idea of light in a black hole... and thinking about the differences that would exist if it was a particle of light or a ray of light. And if it was a particle of light, then it would have an electron --- which could be in two places at once. So, a light goes into a black hole and the gravitational pull affects the ray and the particle differently. The ray is twisted into immobility or, being energy or e, is transformed into mc2 - essentially a mass of lightspeed (can we say Star Trek 'warp matter'?). Meanwhile, the particle that is in the black hole is also not there and the effect of the black hole on the electron that is in the black hole also affects it that is not in the black hole...

Com'on; don't tell me these kinds of questions don't keep you up late at night? Wondering and marveling.
 ClooneysMentor
Joined: 8/2/2015
Msg: 239
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:35:41 PM
Actually 2ufo,

I've been curious lately about Al Qaeda knocking over a rock at Stonehenge.

It's not guarded adequately and the cosmic ramifications...wow!
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 240
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:02:52 PM
Andromeda, You say that there was no foundation in relativity theory before the socially engineered physics Godhead known as Einstein came along?! Oh, but did I not spell out (hopefully correctly ..) the others who did the heavy lifting? May be my spelling is not so great in English and certainly not so great in French but how about Pointcare? Back to German and that would be Hilbert, Planck, Hertz, and Lorentz (Holland but close enough). In English it would be Maxwell, Brown, and Fitzgerald. And a few others ... Oh, but they only did the math. So they did the math abstractly and not for some purpose! Oh, so I will work up a math proof and have no idea of the theory behind why I am doing the proof? I guess we need these true geniuses to correct the Fundamental Theory of Personality Cults!

Hey, I do my work but for the Laws of Physics. The Theories of Physics is something me and my friends debate over pitchers of Long Island Ice Tea and designer Pizzas. Spacecraft fly not by Theory but by Laws of Physics. And even here the best we can come up with is that the usurper know as Einstein should even be mentioned with Newton should be cause for alarm. Oh, but he shagged his cousin! and dressed really nice (up to some point). His first wife is hopefully buried far away from him.

Scotty, beam me up. You know the reason!
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 241
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Posted: 8/25/2015 10:28:25 PM
Forgot about Bohr ... sorry

Oh, and why did not the Godhead get the Nobel prize for SR/GR? In fact his prize was given for his "work" with photons. The same as with Bohr the following year.
 BeckyHT
Joined: 1/1/2013
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Posted: 8/26/2015 2:12:38 PM

Black holes.

Are they really devastating entities that crush all matter once inside them, or do they lead somewhere magical with unicorns and rainbows?


My experience with black holes is when I turn out the lights when going to bed, and cover my eyes. If I'm with someone, it's ok, when I'm not, I usually just turn on the radio until I fall asleep.
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
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Posted: 8/26/2015 6:26:29 PM

I've been curious lately about Al Qaeda knocking over a rock at Stonehenge.
It's not guarded adequately and the cosmic ramifications...wow!


Cosmic ramifications, indeed!
Fortunately, the electrons that are and aren't there are also there and not there elsewhere.
Nothing is ever destroyed without something new taking its place.
Now, if it had been Carnac unhenged then there would be problems.
 LetitiaLeGrande
Joined: 3/22/2015
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Posted: 8/26/2015 6:38:33 PM
Remembering that Stone Henge is not the only sacred astronomical site of its kind. It is in fact in ruins and no one is allowed anywhere near it now. It cant be protected if someone wants to destroy it from the air. Cosmic ramifications?? I don't think so.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
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Posted: 8/27/2015 6:46:51 PM
Don't know about Stone Henge. The only stones I know of are Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
 ohenryx
Joined: 3/12/2010
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:17:56 PM
Excuse me while I hijack this thread and take it back to the original subject: “Dealbreakers and +s in a profile”.

I just spotted this in a profile, over on the other free dating site:


LOOKING FOR AN ESCORT (not a gigolo and no payment involved). I never thought I'd have to do this but life can be humbling! It's that time of year and, as usual I have a couple of ritzy parties to attend. I'm sick of being the third wheel and would like to have company. There are three events - two require a tux and one is optional.


Ah, yes, exactly what I’m looking for. A good excuse to rent a tux, dress up, and be uncomfortable for hours.
 CynthiaSM
Joined: 3/29/2014
Msg: 247
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:26:06 PM
Oh Henry, it's not that bad.

I did that unpaid/no-sex-involved escort once. The gentleman was going to a dinner with the Governor so he wanted a lady companion he knew would be able to speak intelligently, have good table manners, and dress appropriately - one of the pics I used to have on my profile was in the dress I wore that night. That was during my political lawyering days so it was a good deal for me too.

I don't get out much any more, especially dressed up and with a gentleman. I'd do it again if the right situation presented itself.
 Seki1949
Joined: 9/4/2013
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:46:50 PM

Oh, but he shagged his cousin!


Lot's of cousin shagging going on past, present, and future. If we excluded cousin shaggers, history books would be thin indeed.
 ohenryx
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:32:52 AM

CynthiaSM
Oh Henry, it's not that bad.

I did that unpaid/no-sex-involved escort once. The gentleman was going to a dinner with the Governor so he wanted a lady companion he knew would be able to speak intelligently, have good table manners, and dress appropriately - one of the pics I used to have on my profile was in the dress I wore that night. That was during my political lawyering days so it was a good deal for me too.

I don't get out much any more, especially dressed up and with a gentleman. I'd do it again if the right situation presented itself.


If she paid for the tux rental, I might consider it. Maybe. On the other hand, probably not.



According to WeddingStats.org, the average cost to rent a tuxedo is $185.



 CynthiaSM
Joined: 3/29/2014
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:40:33 AM

ohenryx
According to WeddingStats.org, the average cost to rent a tuxedo is $185.

Some men own a tux. The lady's ad was probably aimed at them.

Just sayin.
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