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 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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gosh, I thought all the Russians going to Ukraine were tourists :) I must be an asshole.

funny you mention soupkitchens, when my father was getting help for "depression" (apparently one should never claim to be depressed, but instead, "discouraged"), the suggestion was he help in a soup kitchen in order to feel better about his situation. oh well, in the end, if some human gets helped, does it matter how or wby?
 VolkanoKing
Joined: 8/1/2014
Msg: 77
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:18:31 AM
"And while you are stuck in your half empty glass, at least I am trying to learn to be compassionate and caring towards my fellow men... and women."


WHOA DUDE! You told me.

Holy cow, I didn't know you had it in you.

I better watch out, next up I might be treated to another story about your girlfriend's p*ssy juices. And we wouldn't want that.

 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:16:30 AM

But I actually like animals and Cats! It be more altruistic of me if I ran a****oach, rodent and scorpion rescue group , since these critters make me annoyed! That would be a true trial!


I like that idea. Could start a Zoo of these type of animals. And also very selfish since they discovered that Scorpion venom can attack certain types of cancer.

Vacations in the Ukraine include several packages where you get to play hit the target with a shoulder rocket launcher. Hit the moving target with a machine gun, and for an extra package you get to tour the country side inside an all air-conditioned tank with awesome views through the turret.
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 6/30/2015 11:39:41 AM

gosh, I thought all the Russians going to Ukraine were tourists :) I must be an ***hole.


No..they are on volunteer vacations like Mr Putin said, I guess you weren't listening:P, think of the peace corps as weekend warriors! They had a printout(in Russian/Ukrainian) that discusses the reward payouts they get for shooting officers, blowing up tanks, and downing jet fighters. Perhaps the US military should devise such a reward system? Reminds me of body counts in Vietnam war.

Perhaps you are advising Obama and not Zbigniew Brzezinski and his PNAC pee brain advisers ? But Ukraine is hurting PARTLY due to a decline in Russian tourists. I have been informed that since last year there aren't many tourists visiting Odessa or Crimea. Most rich Russians own property in Arcadia region(Odessa) and have been keeping away because the fascist nationalists are patrolling the city, which is sad considering the majority of the population of that city are Russified Ukrainians!


But Russians are upset that Italy promoted sanctions and for revenge they are keeping away from the beach resorts. Many of the resort towns will go bust without them and Greece (and Turkey as usual) are getting the excess. I can only imagine the bar/club fights that will take place this summer in Thessaloniki when the Russians outnumber the Czechs and Poles(NATO) vacationing there.


Vacations in the Ukraine include several packages where you get to play hit the target with a shoulder rocket launcher. Hit the moving target with a machine gun, and for an extra package you get to tour the country side inside an all air-conditioned tank with awesome views through the turret.


Really? I know they did that in Russia ( I did the Mig flight back in the late 90's for a few hundred). But if you want a tank ride just give me a call! I own an old T 34 tank in Transdniester ( on my dead grandmothers property)...it can be made to run but sorry NO AC!

Btw I wouldn't call it "the" Ukraine atm. One of the current issues of the Western nationalists, are people referring to it as "the" Ukraine. That is the term we called them because they were the borderland area of Tsarists and Soviet Empires! Kind of like calling the room you put your car "the " garage.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:00:57 PM

Kind of like calling the room you put your car "the " garage.


What am I missing here, Joe?

I DO say I put my car in the garage.

"The" is a definite article.

Are you saying there is more than one Ukraine?
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:03:22 PM

Are you saying there is more than one Ukraine?


La Ukraine and of course EL Ukraine.

A tank with no air? shhhhhh. That's where I draw the line. I want my tank with air AND eight-track playing polkas.
Umpa! Umpa! Umpa.
 Peas_
Joined: 5/2/2015
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:08:13 PM
I don't get it either. You have to remember we are sheltered over here from the real news.

Our tanks are called Hummers.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 6/30/2015 12:16:18 PM
Sheesh..now I remember why I never spent much time in "the" Canada lol

Newgirl it FLEW over your head like a Mig 29! Don't beat yourself up about it though :P. Obama and most members of congress get it wrong also.

Yes, "the" garage is acceptable! But Ukraine doesn't want to be someones garage or borderland(Slavic meaning of Ukraine)! They want to be referred to as Ukraine , without "the". "The " in front of Ukraine denies their independence, denies their sovereignty.

There are plenty of times when sticking a "the" in front of a place name is perfectly acceptable, like when one is referring to a country that is a geographic area, like the group of islands that makes up the Philippines, or a region of a country, like the Northeast. And in English, you would almost always tack "the "in front of river names like the Mississippi.

When one uses "the" in front of Ukraine , you’re falling into the Russian habit, the Russian frame of mind of seeing Ukraine as a provincial geographic backyard of Russia( about half of the Ukies see the same thing). That is a large part of the mess going on now. Old habits die hard.

But anyway IG might get his face punched if he was to say that in front of the wrong crowd atm!

As for 8 track playing Umpa, umpa, umpa.....you will have to bring your own copy..on cd!

As for Hummer..some of us like BIG hummers also! But that belongs in IG erotic novels.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
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Posted: 6/30/2015 2:28:00 PM

Sheesh..now I remember why I never spent much time in "the" Canada Newgirl it FLEW over your head like a Mig 29! Don't beat yourself up about it though :P.


LOL! Well, unlike some folks I am cool with admitting I don't know much about a particular topic! What's a Mig 29?

Besides, the Canada is awesome, and it's our birthday tomorrow :)


There are plenty of times when sticking a "the" in front of a place name is perfectly acceptable, like when one is referring to a country that is a geographic area, like the group of islands that makes up the Philippines, or a region of a country, like the Northeast. And in English, you would almost always tack "the "in front of river names like the Mississippi.


Or The United States, or The Republic of Ireland.


When one uses "the" in front of Ukraine , you’re falling into the Russian habit, the Russian frame of mind of seeing Ukraine as a provincial geographic backyard of Russia( about half of the Ukies see the same thing). That is a large part of the mess going on now.


So...is it more like an adjective, then? Like saying the north, or the south, like a region?
 Peas_
Joined: 5/2/2015
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Posted: 6/30/2015 2:47:26 PM
lol. I had the birthday a couple days ago, in the North, up here. Aye, I have some trouble understandingthe Canadians also. ....they keep their milk in bags I hear, weird.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:07:26 PM

LOL! Well, unlike some folks I am cool with admitting I don't know much about a particular topic! What's a Mig 29?


True LOL.

MIG 29= Russian jet fighter!


Or The United States, or The Republic of Ireland.


Exactly.

So...is it more like an adjective, then? Like saying the north, or the south, like a region?


Well saying "the" UA is more like saying it is "the borderland" or "edge" since Ukraine means in Slavic language borderland. But who's borderland? Well answer is Russia's borderland! Up into 1991 when RU gave UA independence it was referred to as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic but since then the name should be just UKRAINE. Even their constitution says that! By putting "the" in fron,t one designates it as belonging to Russia!

There are no definite or indefinite articles (such as the, a, an in English) in the Russian language . "The" is implied out of context when spoken by Russians. Therefore, when an English speaking country or anyone else (Germans do this the most) uses the "The" in reference to Ukraine...Russian elitists, linguists, politicians laugh hysterically, because the Western politicians that do this are basically implying that UA belongs to Russia!

So here is an example of a spoof conversation:

Obama( or Harper): Why are your troops in "the" Ukraine?
Putin: We have no troops in the UA but many Russian military men are taking vacation there because they need to rest and relax!
Obama: When American troops take vacation they don't bring their guns to a war zone and fight!
Putin: Russians soldiers are NOT American, they do what Russians do! Why do you always try to dictate what others should do? It was agreed at the end of the cold war that we would both be equal partners in ruling the world.(Russians tend to hate hypocrites and blame others before taking responsibility)
Obama: ruling the world isn't what Americans try to do and are you admitting you have Russian troops in the UA..the soil of an independent foreign nation?
Putin: We don't have troops in a foreign country but there are troops on vacation in the UA. (hangs up because obama admits UA belongs to RU by having "the" in front)
Obama: VLAD? Vlad? your killing me! (scared the neo cons will say he is too soft on the Russians)

conclusion: "THE" is important to the linguistic meaning here. No "the" means independent country. The in front means it is RU's backyard!
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
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Posted: 6/30/2015 3:39:20 PM

conclusion: "THE" is important to the linguistic meaning here. No "the" means independent country. The in front means it is RU's backyard!


Huh. Did not know. Thanks :)

I saw the movie "Mickey Blue Eyes" a while back. The James Caan character owned a restaurant called "The La Trattoria"

Ha ha ha. Funny movie.
 MaleFeasance
Joined: 3/13/2015
Msg: 88
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Posted: 6/30/2015 7:32:10 PM
conclusion: "THE" is important to the linguistic meaning here.
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Yeah, but in English the word "the" distinguishes something particular from a genetic use of the word. The word borderland could mean any borderland. It's the the use ofvthe word "The" that makes it a reference to some particular borderland.

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No "the" means independent country. The in front means it is RU's backyard!
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It is in Russia's backyard and unless someone figures out a way to move the entire landmass some place else, that isn't going to change. Perhaps they could rename the country if they take offense to the use of The.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:59:57 PM

The word borderland could mean any borderland. It's the the use ofvthe word "The" that makes it a reference to some particular borderland.


Yep that is the problem.



It is in Russia's backyard and unless someone figures out a way to move the entire landmass some place else, that isn't going to change. Perhaps they could rename the country if they take offense to the use of The.


Little chance of that happening lol. They can't even all agree on the proper spelling of their main cities( some use Ukrainian spelling, some use Russian spelling, and a few use Polish spelling in the extreme Western side of the country)

In their congressional meetings (Rada). they throw eggs at each other and have fist fights

But they officially removed THE from any official use of the countries name. Again it is Russia that historically uses the word "the'( in context) and other countries got in the habit. So other countries will need to stop doing that for political diplomacy purposes.
 Dee4166
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:13:19 PM
While there are many schools of thought that state that altruism is only a fallacy due to the 'good feelings' that people get from doing good things for others...

That doesn't explain the fact that there are many recent studies done with animals as well who ALSO demonstrate altruism....

Hungry rats, who, when given the option of eating all of the food will, instead voluntarily choose to share with a neighbour in the next cage and will even let them in to have access to the food...

This behaviour has also been observed in wild animals, as well as domestic ones....

There is actually also a school of thought that states that this is a hard-wired behaviour in MANY social animals, although the reasons are not exactly clear as to why ....survival perhaps? Or maybe, animals really DO have feelings as many of us have known for a long time....

Seems to be a 'stumbling block' when it comes to attributing any kind of 'feeling' to animals in general, in the scientific community...so until observable behaviour can clearly indicate why, it remains a mystery....officially any way...

For myself I prefer to take the less cynical stand and say that there are fine qualities in all of us, and I know that I, personally, and MANY people that I know have suffered some pretty grave consequences from 'helping others'...so it isn't always about 'warm fuzzies' and 'feeling good'....

Sometimes it's simply about having compassion and empathy for fellow creatures...
Behaviour, again, that is not always 'rewarded'....

And off topic...Good to see you CV, noticed you're looking healthier and more peaceful....I'm happy for you and hope you continue the ongoing work to stay that way....It's tough, but worth it....
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
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Posted: 7/1/2015 7:05:16 AM

conclusion: "THE" is important to the linguistic meaning here. No "the" means independent country. The in front means it is RU's backyard!

Adventure, I do have to ask, what side are you? Are you pro Ukraine (with no THE)? Or pro Russia.

I can see what you're taking about. It sounds very weird to say The Italy, or the Canada. Yet you can say THE United States, because it then it follows OF. The Philippines sounds good. The United Arab Emirates. THE Soviet Union. The Balkans. The Egypt (not good). The Argentina (not good). The Dominican Republic (good). The Haiti (not good). Even though they are in the same Island. THE Vatican. THE Czeck Republic. The Hage. The France (not good). The Congo (good).

The conclusion. I have no idea what makes some of them work and some of them not work.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
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Posted: 7/1/2015 8:17:55 AM
it is possible that animals have feelings, or maybe that they have more threats against them than a civilian human being does, and so they do what they do for survival. Humans in war, for example, fight not for ideology but for the buddy next to them, even throwing themselves upon a grenade or returning to duty so as not to let the ones relying on them down by not being there to help.
 adventurejoe70
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Posted: 7/1/2015 10:44:36 AM
Always the hard questions...

Not sure of all the rules but as mentioned "the" often used is because of habit. Many cities/countries in history were named after rivers for example. Rivers would have "the" in front. Sometimes the answer is more or less clear and sometimes not at all. Lol

But in the case of the The Philippines, the Maldives, The USA, The UK, they are talking about geographic areas .

Countries like the United States of America and the United Kingdom also carry the definite article because they are compound nouns with adjectives. They also coincidentally include separate areas that make up the whole (ex.states).

The Congo is actually a river, but there are 2 countries derived from that name: Democratic Republic of the Congo and Republic of the Congo. The Congo is said often for short! Same as when others leave out the word "Republic" or "Democratic Republic" when mentioning other countries.

As mentioned Ukraine before 1991 was the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. After 1991, it was not PART of anything anymore, and they felt article denigrated their country , by identifying it as a part of Russia, so they officially changed it. It's a sort of linguistic independence in the FSU, it's hugely symbolic!


Adventure, I do have to ask, what side are you? Are you pro Ukraine (with no THE)? Or pro Russia.


I said it BOTH ways, depending on whom I wanted to win or piss off- hehehe.

It varies, if a dated a girl from Lviv I would say Ukraine and if I dated a girl from Kharkov I would probably refer to it as "the Ukraine, to let her know who is boss, they like that sometimes. ;)

But in ALL seriousness, joking aside , I support UA independence BUT NOT a Western nationalistic gov't, like the one US popped up!

What ends up happening, and will happen again, is that when an Eastern region candidate wins, the Westerners (Western Ukies) go bat-shit crazy and protest. When the western candidate wins the Eastern Ukies tend to accept it and suffer a bit of negative consequences. It isn't fair!

They decided NOT to accept it this time and were told to STFU. That led to a small revolt , which RU decided to capitalize on, for their own geopolitical agenda! But it is getting tiresome and Putin should just STOP because his move now has many of the pro Russians angry and against him since they are afraid they will become like South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Breakaway regions tend to live in financial/social limbo
for decades in that region.

Plus Vlad got his main geopolitical objective...Crimea! NATO and USA lied when they said they were shocked, they knew RU would never give up its claim and Putin threatened to take it in his 2008 Bucharest summit address to NATO. You can Google his speech and see the writing was on the wall!
 bamagrl68
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Posted: 7/1/2015 12:24:37 PM
TangoFish-You mentioned sleep apnea in post #66.
I wish I had known that before, sleep apnea can have a MAJOR effect on mood.
You stop breathing several times during the night, rarely go into REM sleep and don't get enough restful sleep when you have sleep apnea.
The result is moodiness/hostility, paranoia and frequent fatigue during the day.
In other words, knowing you have this explains a lot.
I'm glad it's been diagnosed and it's under control, that will help you.
If you haven't mentioned this to your PTSD support group, PLEASE do, they need to be aware so they can look for the signs if you start having issues with sleeping again.
Again, best of luck and many blessings in your journey moving forward. :)
 Hearton64
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:02:29 AM
Not to harp on this but Tango admitted to doing crystal meth
and confessed to being up for 7 days straight and being
so high when he came in here and posted he doesn't recall
or want to see what he wrote.

So yeah, sleep apnea,PTSD and speed are not a good combination
when posting in a PTSD thread.

Thankfully you got help because you were self destructing.

I recall watching Faces of death whilst on the crap!
I felt zero emotion/empathy when I did speed back in my 20's
and it created a grindingly aggressive temperament in my normally
Compassionate mind!

I have seen a major change in you and attribute it to stopping the speed!!
 norwegianguy456
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I felt zero emotion/empathy when I did speed back in my 20's
and it created a grindingly aggressive temperament in my normally
Compassionate mind!

I did speed once -- some variety of it. Difficult math seemed easier and kinda fun. I guess I had less empathetic emotion, but I wasn't emotionless. I was happier, which is an emotion. But being very focused led to more narrow (focused) thinking, so I wasn't 360 emotionally but it wasn't like I was stepping on people's toes or turning into a Beverly Hills snob or something -- not at all.

An ex of mine went on Adderal, and I tried some of that. Made me more complacent and chill when I tried hers. But now that you mention what you said, what lack of empathy she had prior went away after getting on the stuff. I guess it kinda did some of that for me -- but in a "good" way, at least for a temporary escape, as I tend to think too much about what someone else is thinking and getting too wrapped up in that. Adderal didn't make me like work though. Although how it affected me was only an indicator I was hyperactive at the age of 30+. :)
 Dee4166
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:53:21 AM
@ IG...The reason that we use 'the' in front if certain things has to do with referring to a GROUP of things as a singular article...and yes, it can be confusing even for people whose native language is English...

So, example...
The United States, The Arab Emirates, The Dominican Republic, etc. All of these are MORE than one thing, but to refer to them as a 'group' as a singular article you use 'the' in front...I'm thinking that's the grammatical reason that it's called 'the' Ukraine...especially if there are two parts/provinces/states /regions ,etc. although I'll defer to Joe's political explanation as I'm not familiar with that part of the world....but why people elsewhere may refer to it that way in English....



it is possible that animals have feelings, or maybe that they have more threats against them than a civilian human being does, and so they do what they do for survival. Humans in war, for example, fight not for ideology but for the buddy next to them, even throwing themselves upon a grenade or returning to duty so as not to let the ones relying on them down by not being there to help.


Interesting there G....The studies are pretty interesting, too...As far as doing it for survival, well, that works if the animals are interested in breeding with the other animal in question, but otherwise, not so much...As keeping all of the food or hoarding it for later, would be better options...from a survival POV, no?

All I know, is that I, personally don't buy into the theory that altruistic behaviour is ultimately about 'feeling good' ourselves...although I don't deny that for some volunteering at an animal shelter, or doing a day in a soup kitchen may 'feel good', but when it comes to people who are 'in the trenches', as in risking their health, lives and generally placing themselves in danger without compensation, in order to help others, often, ime, the 'reward' is living in line with their own values and acting with integrity...

Know many people who did UN Missions to various places around the world, Bosnia, Haiti, East Timor, etc. and many of them lived in deplorable conditions and saw things that are comparable to being in the middle of a war zone, because they WERE, after the fact, and, although they WERE well compensated for it, those who went in for the money and the 'do-gooders' , usually left pretty quickly....

Those who had a religious belief, or personal conviction in being responsible for trying to do what they could to help their fellow human beings, were usually the ones who stuck it out through some really harsh and scary experiences...'feeling good' was usually drowned out by the screams of those trapped in the structure of a collapsed bridge, and the horrors that they witnessed on a daily basis....

Any way,,,check out some of the studies done with animals, they are very interesting....


but I wasn't emotionless. I was happier, which is an emotion.

That is why people DO speed...it's called 'euphoria' and is a by-product of the drug, as is greater focus and concentration , when taken in small doses, as many meds for 'hyperactivity' are derived from certain kinds of 'speed'....
 Hearton64
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http://www.addictions.com/meth/common-crystal-meth-effects/

Aggression, irritability and violent behavior.

Euphoria.

In small doses, maybe, but not for the daily abuser who's
lost all boundaries due to a lack of ability to feel any empathy!

I did enough cocaine and crystal in my rebellious youth
to choke a horse and speaking from experience, I can guarantee
those verbally abusive outbursts weren't due to euphoria.

He felt nothing but anger and rage.

Mainly due to way too much speed and way too little
Sleep and unresolved issues both of which he's working on correcting.

Sorry to talk about you Tango but if you could chime in and explain
that would be great.

My point isn't to go on about your addiction it was to
Point out that sleep apnea isn't the main reason you got the boot.
 Dee4166
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Posted: 7/2/2015 8:31:41 AM
@ Hearton...I was referring to the statement that I quoted and NOT speaking about the effects of the long-term use of the drug...

Also, if you go back and actually read what I wrote in the PTSD forum referring to CV in the first place, I think that I explained exactly what you are referring to in detail....

You are not the only person with personal experience with drug use or abuse although, not all of us are interested in sharing that on a public forum....

I also worked with drug addicts for a very long time, and while that doesn't necessarily make me an 'expert' it DOES however afford me a pretty comprehensive view on the effects and consequences of long term use....not to mention that I do have a background and education in addictions.

Time for a deep breath, there, I'm not arguing with you here, just stating what I KNOW to be true, as I assume, are you....

I also agree that while the sleep apnea may have contributed to the problem, it was most CERTAINLY the drug use that was mainly responsible....
 Whistle_Stop
Joined: 4/9/2015
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Posted: 7/2/2015 8:41:24 AM
Vicki

Ok, is it wrong that I didnt really notice anything that shouldnt be there?

I wouldn't say it's wrong but you were more like an enabling mother...because of the subject matter
of PTSD....you couldn't see the forest for the trees...and empathized and made excuses for his behavior.
He is a very intelligent man but a few of his posts were goobledegoop and very offensive.
Thank goodness...There were enough people that had the intuitiveness to either know something was wrong
or decided....he had enough leeway with his behavior.

But like Hearton says...let's move on!!
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