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 clooneystutor
Joined: 3/8/2015
Msg: 101
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^^^
Damn...

That pic...

It's gettin' hawt on here...
 dragonbytes
Joined: 12/25/2014
Msg: 102
When I finally realized I'm an A-hole
Posted: 7/2/2015 8:51:17 AM
I agree, nice pic Whistle_Stop.
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:26:47 AM
^^Since you basically reiterated what I said, I can find no fault. :P

But if English speakers are referring to Ukraine as "the"Ukraine because they think it is a "group" made out of parts, then that just Proves the ignorant American theory that many overseas citizens hold about Americans when it comes to understanding the world map! But I don't really think most think there are multiple parts to Ukraine.

Ukraine is ONE country. It isn't made of recognizable regions to the outside world. Again, people probably call it based on what they heard it referred to. At one time the vast majority of politicians and media referred to it as "the" Ukraine in short for "The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic". Most people apparently don't know that the country changed it's name officially!

I should add that many politicians in the English speaking countries are correcting themselves recently. Germans are even making improvements. But historically Germans actually believe that Ukraine was a territory ( a "the" of) of Russia going back before the U.S.S.R (the empire had many).

Tidbit #1: In addition to Russia, only 2 other U.S.S.R. countries got U.N. seats. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was one of them. Can anyone guess the other one?

Tidbit#2: German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck wrote that “The power of Russia could be undermined only by separating Ukraine from it… Ukraine should not only be torn away from Russia but also set against it. We should play off one part of the single nation against the other and watch one brother killing the other."

Does anyone know the name of a more recent American foreign policy politician who basically said the same thing, and is believed by some to be advising Obama as we speak? (it is no coincidence what is going on there now)

I know Gtomustang knows the answer so someone else! hint: initials are Z.B.!
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 104
getting up to speed
Posted: 7/2/2015 9:39:17 AM
Yep, i'm an a-hole. And I'll jump on the bandwagon, nice photo Whistle Stop.

I think some people do good things in order to feel good. maybe not even to get a reward for being good, but just to feel inside they are "that person". I think many of us have an idea in our mind of what we are, when we are at our best. and sometimes we try to live up to that. sometimes, that's how we commit social faux pas--for example, we want to be the funniest dude in the room, and so we make a joke without first considering its appropriateness. or we say something intelligent...that someone already said two seconds ago.

some people do the right thing, just out of instinct. i'm sure some of us can do a good deed, and screw up accepting a thank you gracefully b/c our parents drilled into us to do things and not accept gratitude or to just be so humble about things. or indeed, it might just be a religious teaching, to stick it out b/c something good will eventually happen. I think undertaking challenges is a good thing, we learn about ourselves, and may like what we see in the mirror afterward. relying on looks or other shortcuts in order to get one's fat out of the fire denies that from happening.

I think there is some altruism out there. I think there's a lot more done for "selfish" reasons, but I don't think selfish is always so bad. I think some people do things the hard way b/c they don't know how to do it the easy way, and doing it the hard way ends up being the nice way to do things (nice for someone else, I mean).

UNtroops has as much good news as bad news (transactional sex, going just to get training and a better paycheck, etc). I'm not trying to put them down just to make a point. i'm just a cynic to think its a bit more complicated. But, if you find a link for some of those studies, feel free to share. they sound interesting.

as for Joey-around-the-neighborhood...OK, I won't cheat. but you did catch me off guard with your ref to PNAC before, since it reminds me of Project for a New American Century. I think ZB would find himself in there, but supposedly...they finally got a wooden stake in their heart.

off the top of my head, wasn't Ukraine the bread basket of the former SU? not just their vacation destination for those who couldn't swing a dacha. and then there's the pipeline--always follow the money.

edit: answered my own question. google this neocon and PNAC and the "grand chessboard". oh my. I won't take up bandwidth posting it here. current affairs fans will be sure to look. I don't want to hijack a thread about assholes :)
 123nightmoves
Joined: 6/2/2015
Msg: 105
When I finally realized I'm an A-hole
Posted: 7/2/2015 9:41:19 AM

I wouldn't say it's wrong but you were more like an enabling mother...because of the subject matter
of PTSD....you couldn't see the forest for the trees...and empathized and made excuses for his behavior.
He is a very intelligent man but a few of his posts were goobledegoop and very offensive.
Thank goodness...There were enough people that had the intuitiveness to either know something was wrong
or decided....he had enough leeway with his behavior.


Exactly. She was "getting" something from all this. A friend or a concerned person would DO something about it instead of ignoring or encouraging the behavior. The decline was so glaring yet she "fed" it and I don't think it was so much empathy as it was her own attention seeking. He's a cool guy and interesting and I'm glad he's back.

I do wish there was a separate thread on PTSD or depression as some folks have a tough time after a marriage break up or death of a spouse or illness of a mate. Some people go and live in their "dark place" for too long and sometimes need an experienced voice to help them out of the darkness.
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:09:06 AM

UNtroops has as much good news as bad news (transactional sex, going just to get training and a better paycheck, etc).
I'm not trying to put them down just to make a point. i'm just a cynic to think its a bit more complicated. But, if you find a link for some of those studies, feel free to share. they sound interesting.


I did it for the money! I did it for the adventure! Doing it to help? Sure..but I was helping people in my own city! I didn't have to go overseas to help! and culturally I am suppose to back the Serbs anyway, so it wasn't a popular thing for me to do , so it is very complicated in my own family.

My co worker, he was Haitian, and went on the Haiti mission. It was from him that I got involved in that stuff. But he actually lost money because to get the tax free package he had to comply with IRS rules and stay outside the country for 330 days. He kept flying back from Haiti for family emergencies. So for him the financial incentives weren't that strong....it was helping his culture I guess.

But a lot of the stuff going on where I was could be considered a bit shady. Some did bad stuff and the UN basically decided to use a contractor company for future missions (Iraq/Afgan) ! But the NYPD cops( largest group) and majority of the Americans weren't the problem. It was actually some of the 3rd world volunteers that were headaches! They do things differently!



as for Joey-around-the-neighborhood...OK, I won't cheat. but you did catch me off guard with your ref to PNAC before, since it reminds me of Project for a New American Century. I think ZB would find himself in there, but supposedly...they finally got a wooden stake in their heart.


Hahaha! Well you will forgive me for making a bad analogy here hopefully, but I will. I like to look at ZB as writing the Old Testament and PNAC in a way is the new testament. They based their foreign policy theory on ZB's . The problem is the Neo Cons decided to make PNAC their Holy Bible. ZB hates the Neo Cons now because he apparently thinks they are extremely warlike ! But both want almost the same goal! Just methods to reach it are different!

off the top of my head, wasn't Ukraine the bread basket of the former SU? not just their vacation destination for those who couldn't swing a dacha. and then there's the pipeline--always follow the money.

Yep and their greatest industrial area possibly!


I don't want to hijack a thread about assholes :)


IMHO if we are talking about Neo Cons it won't be much of a hijack. ;P
 123nightmoves
Joined: 6/2/2015
Msg: 107
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:11:57 AM
Your children suffer from PTSD? Your children are in the armed forces and had the same experiences? Your children had mental health issues? Your children abused drugs? Your children have had mental breakdowns, sought help from the professionals...more than once? Your children are in their 30's?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 108
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:44:47 AM
Gosh, Joey, that wouldn't be DynCorp, now would it? Some people are amazed to find that contractors have been building US bases abroad since KBR was just Brown and Root in Vietnam doing AFB's. that darn military-industrial complex they were warned about.

that is a good analogy about ZB and PNAC riding his coattails (why reinvent the wheel, when someone's already got a good idea to steal, right?). the book "Armed Madhouse" has a great breakdown on how the neocon plan broke down, once the old guard Bush's old guard looked at what they had planned. Even Cheney apparently jumped sides. the oil business ties trump ideology every time, and apparently the neocon idea was to break OPEC and the oil companies benefiting hand-in-hand. so Baker laid down the law, and Bremer of Kissinger Associates gets shown the door for trying to undo Garner's attempts. and oh boy, the replacement is...John Negroponte, of Reagan era fame.

the wheels, they just keep turning.
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 109
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:30:06 AM

Tidbit #1: In addition to Russia, only 2 other U.S.S.R. countries got U.N. seats. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was one of them. Can anyone guess the other one?

Belarus?


Tidbit#2:...

Brzynski? (The 'Z' was a big help).
 Hearton64
Joined: 12/18/2012
Msg: 110
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:44:44 AM

I also believe you get the same behaviour from cocaine, speed
and canabis (yes I know we disagree on that one hearton its just
my understanding of it)


Done all 3 and can tell you unequivicably with zero fear
of my admission on a public forum that weed is not in the same
category as coke and speed!!!



I wouldn't say it's wrong but you were more like an enabling mother...because of the subject matter
of PTSD....you couldn't see the forest for the trees...and empathized and made excuses for his behavior.


We defended a bullied and goaded man. Period.
I can show you exactly by whom and where it began!
Thankfully I kept my cool then as I will now.

But I had his back and even now knowing part of why he lost it
Still doesn't excuse the others involved.



Hm, I dont think so. I know it is easier to blame the drug addict PTSD sufferer for all ills but someone told me to go and look at the PTSD thread, and as soon as I read it I was as angry as hell. Just because vector lost it doesnt make what happened on that thread right. There was bullying, there was baiting and vector was not the only one struggling with it. Several people were, interestingly they never listened or took responsibility for their part in it. They just continue to pass the blame. I guess Vector is one up on them, at least he has admitted, addressed and hopefully moved on from the hes part. He was abusive, hes faced it and dealt with it. Shame not everyone is like that.



Agree 100%!!!

And had it not been a huge risk if being reported I'd have reamed
those people a new azzhole with worse words than vector used!
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 111
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Posted: 7/2/2015 1:50:00 PM

I also believe you get the same behaviour from cocaine, speed and canabis (yes I know we disagree on that one hearton its just
my understanding of it)


Cling to your "understanding" of it if you must, but the effects of pot have little in common with those of cocaine and speed!
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
Msg: 112
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:28:40 PM

We defended a bullied and goaded man. Period.
I can show you exactly by whom and where it began!
Thankfully I kept my cool then as I will now.And had it not been a huge risk if being reported I'd have reamed
those people a new azzhole with worse words than vector used!



Really?
I'm one who told him off so here I am, lay it on me.
Because I can tell you right now, it will do squat.

:)




<-----not an enabler
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 113
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:49:08 PM

I respect your experience and I agree. We will have to agree to disagree on the effects of cannibis :)


While I have seen plenty of people that get their ego explode and act super human with Coke and meth, I've never seen that with pot. If anything everything is groovy and why not just get along...and past me the chips.
 clooneystutor
Joined: 3/8/2015
Msg: 114
VectorGate II
Posted: 7/2/2015 2:52:02 PM
Damn...

Gonna go pour some wine and get the popcorn started...
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 115
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:54:13 PM

But by all means cling to your understanding of it, along with all other addicts who make excuses for the drugs they use (no offence Hearton, if you use Im sure you do it wisely).

??
LOL
You don't see how oxymoronic this is?
 Ladyinred4755
Joined: 1/30/2012
Msg: 116
VectorGate II
Posted: 7/2/2015 3:00:49 PM

Gonna go pour some wine and get the popcorn started...


Ah hell, Clooney, I would MUCH rather just roll one and fire it up! If I could get away with it, no drug screening at work? OH YAH, LOL there better be LOTS of popcorn!
 clooneystutor
Joined: 3/8/2015
Msg: 117
VectorGate II
Posted: 7/2/2015 3:04:28 PM
Interestingly enough...

I'm surprised at the amount of reefer use in the over 45+ crowd.

I wasn't quite sure how to answer the 'are you 420 friendly' question when I first started dating.

Now? 'I don't buy it' is my response. Sure, a good laugh is a nice way to break some ice:)

I do fine riding the coffee in the am and wine in the pm sine wave...
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 118
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Posted: 7/2/2015 3:05:53 PM

Agree its not the same as cocaine and speed


Then why did you say this?


I also believe you get the same behaviour from cocaine, speed and canabis (yes I know we disagree on that one hearton its just
my understanding of it)



but it is a lot more addictive and a lot more damaging than people try to imply it is.


I don't think you are entirely wrong on that part. The jury is still out on this, research-wise.


But by all means cling to your understanding of it, along with all other addicts who make excuses for the drugs they use (no offence Hearton, if you use Im sure you do it wisely).


Do you realize you just implied that I am an addict?!

I am going to assume your sloppy use of the language created this implication, and that you actually didn't mean it :(
 2ufo
Joined: 2/28/2015
Msg: 119
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Posted: 7/2/2015 3:08:13 PM
Oh, I don't smoke (anything) or take any type of illegal or 'semi' legal drugs or even eat anything that might possibly get my security clearance pulled.

I have no interested in meth, coke, weed, speed, etc. I simply find your 'argument' repetitive and unconvincing. But, no, I won't go there again. It's too late in the evening for me.

I'm thinking it was the 'I think she may be over weight' thread.
 adventurejoe70
Joined: 3/1/2013
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Posted: 7/2/2015 3:17:23 PM
^^For your right answers you win a trip to the POF retreat of Fort Bliss!
 Ladyinred4755
Joined: 1/30/2012
Msg: 121
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Posted: 7/2/2015 3:31:14 PM
How about we call him Tangofish, and leave all the past, in the past. What purpose does it serve to harp on the old crap? I suspect Tangofish would prefer to just move on? Turn the page?
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Posted: 7/2/2015 3:35:52 PM
I have seen people get violent on just pot, same reaction some get on alcohol, it's not as common as the goofy laughing high most get, but it can happen.
 newoldgirl
Joined: 4/16/2015
Msg: 123
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:00:11 PM

My apologies to all for implying anyone was smokers. I was wrong. Its just unusual for non-smokers to argue in its favour but everyone has the right to their view without the implication that they use. I again apologise.


Thanks :)

I don't smoke or even drink coffee, but I know plenty of pot smokers. For the most part, you would never guess they are 420 friendly. They go about their business, with some recreational use on the side. The effects are quite different from speed or meth.

Even though I have no moral or legal beef with others using pot, I don't think it is altogether without consequences, either. It is not a good choice for people with depression, and it's terrible for young people whose brains are still developing.

For healthy adults, I doubt the long term effects are much different than occasional drinking, and few seem to have a problem with that.
 123nightmoves
Joined: 6/2/2015
Msg: 124
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:05:26 PM

Anyway I felt happier talking about what Vector did wrong (sorry to bail on you Vector but I seem to have dug a bit of hole for myself) I think we should get back to that.


Really? That is the topic of this thread? Discussing what Vector did wrong? Really? You ARE an enabler and you DO get something from this. Pathetic.


How about we call him Tangofish and leave all the past in the past. What purpose does it do to harp on the old crap? I suspect Tangofish would prefer to just move on. Turn the page?


What purpose? So she can play Mummy like she mentioned before. Let the man alone.
 Peas_
Joined: 5/2/2015
Msg: 125
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:33:59 PM
OMGosh, anybody got a smoke round in here? Sheesh.
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