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 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 300
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There is a new study out in the New England Journal of Medicine concerning the results of Texas defunding Planned Parenthood. It seems that when Texas defunded Planned Parenthood contraception use declined resulting in an increase in medicaid births...Good job Texas, way to keep generational welfare in place!


In conclusion, the implementation of the 2013 exclusion of Planned Parenthood affiliates from a Medicaid waiver program in Texas was associated with adverse changes in the rates of provision and continuation of contraception and with increases in the rate of childbirth covered by Medicaid. These findings have implications regarding the likely consequences of proposals to exclude Planned Parenthood affiliates from public funding in other states or at the national level.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 301
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:02:17 AM
How dare those poor people have babies? Maybe welfare and medicaid policies could be changed?

By the way, according to UPI, the researchers said that the,study does not necessarily prove the policy change caused the increase in pregnancy and childbirth.

Maybe they should get $15 per week for pills from the men involved?

Or maybe, get married or figure out a way for you and your kid to live in spite if it all(which most women do anyway, well more than most).
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 302
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:39:42 AM
The problem is that the same people who want no funds or ways for the poor to have abortions (NOT ON THEIR TAXES!!!) also do not want the poor to have access on their tax dollars for birth control methods. It's the old way of saying if you are going to whore around then by golly you deserve to have babies that nobody wants, and don't expect welfare either because we want that taken away too. It's utterly ridiculous that poor people do not have the same access to controlling their reproduction methods as those who can afford to make their choices without interference from others. You'd think people would be up in arms about where most of their tax dollars are going, but no, it's such an ego filler to point at the poor and blame them. And they deliver it with this smug BS as though they aren't doing all the same things themselves.
 FGRN83
Joined: 1/21/2016
Msg: 303
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:59:40 AM
Hmmm. How very 3rd worldish. We should pay for the demise of our young? Why so self hating? Adoption is the answer. Save the baby Whites. Clearly , this is the least we can do to survive.
 Tootiefrutie1
Joined: 12/8/2015
Msg: 304
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:41:27 AM
"By the way, according to UPI, the researchers said that the,study does not necessarily prove the policy change caused the increase in pregnancy and childbirth"

I read the study from the New England Journal of Medicine and that is not the conclusion that was drawn from the study:

"In conclusion, the implementation of the 2013 exclusion of Planned Parenthood affiliates from a Medicaid waiver program in Texas was associated with adverse changes in the rates of provision and continuation of contraception and with increases in the rate of childbirth covered by Medicaid. These findings have implications regarding the likely consequences of proposals to exclude Planned Parenthood affiliates from public funding in other states or at the national level."

"Maybe they should get $15 per week for pills from the men involved?

Or maybe, get married or figure out a way for you and your kid to live in spite if it all(which most women do anyway, well more than most)"

The study never spoke to the demographics of the statistics. How do you conclude these women weren't married?
 lil_poppy
Joined: 1/18/2016
Msg: 305
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:59:42 AM
So we all b!tch about women birthin babies but - we won't help with paying for birth control, we won't help with paying for an abortion, we won't help with medical care if she choses to have the baby and we won't help paying the welfare costs for mother and child.

Lovely. What EXACTLY do you suggest Deetristate? Where do you want your tax dollars spent in regard to unwanted pregnancies, babies giving birth to babies and feeding the hoards.


Save the baby Whites.
And kill off all the brown, black and yellow ones? You forgot to mention that, you racist.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 306
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:21:05 AM
"Life is so precious" say those who want abortion to be outlawed by the State..oddly on the political spectrum, many or most of these people also are stimulated by their country bombing the pizz out of other lands, using nasty weapons like cluster bombs and napalm , etc., to take many other lives. As many as possible, often including babies and pregnant women.

And also most claim to be opposed to "Big Government".. Yet oddly want the government to use their heavy duty criminal law in this one area..

Of course, best to save the babies.. they must grow to an age where the Pentagon can use them as cannon fodder and dispose of them on battlefields..

Care so much about the babies..not so much about the 18 to 25 year old set..because it makes y'all feel macho and gives middle aged couch warriors " wood" to think of their country "kicking butt" around the world.. Better than Viagra or Cialis, likely.

And of course the war machine keeps the 1% up there where they belong, as well as the bottom 50% where THEY belong.
 FGRN83
Joined: 1/21/2016
Msg: 307
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:36:55 AM
Hmmmm. Did I say anything at all about non white babies? Some time , just maybe , I think abortion should be retro active.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 308
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Posted: 2/11/2016 9:44:02 AM
Yes, der Führer made it so , for those deemed undesirable, right? Including Slavs and Poles.
 SunshineGirl__
Joined: 10/7/2014
Msg: 309
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Posted: 2/11/2016 11:15:13 AM
You’re denying you’re a racist?? You make me sick.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 310
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Posted: 2/11/2016 12:02:57 PM
Such drama.

It is pretty simple. Sure, accidents happen. But more often than not people know exactly what they are doing. Women can go 10-20-30-40 years without getting with child. They think, can I afford this, is it good, etc. Maybe they want one in spite of it all. They figure it out.
By the way, they could also get the 300-600 dollars for the abortion from the man as well.

It is a free country. They can abort or take birth control if that is what they want.
 BlackOnyx48
Joined: 1/7/2016
Msg: 311
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Posted: 2/11/2016 12:07:51 PM
Women, get the right not to get her azz knocked up in the first place, beyond that she is obligated to push the critter out.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 2/12/2016 6:33:28 PM
Message 319 ...
There is a new study out in the New England Journal of Medicine concerning the results of Texas defunding Planned Parenthood. It seems that when Texas defunded Planned Parenthood contraception use declined resulting in an increase in medicaid births...Good job Texas, way to keep generational welfare in place!
Well ... based on the lies, Ohio is next.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2016/02/10/3748390/kasich-abortion-legislation/
Kasich Set To Sign Bill Defunding Planned Parenthood
by Kira Lerner Feb 10, 2016 4:22 pm

Republican presidential candidate, Ohio Gov. John Kasich reacts as many in the audience disagree with his position on Planned Parenthood during a town hall-style campaign event, Thursday, Nov. 12, 2015, at the RiverWoods Retirement Community in Exeter, N.H.

Ohio’s legislature passed a bill on Wednesday to effectively defund Planned Parenthood by redirecting state-administered grants away from groups that “promote abortion.” The legislation now heads to the desk of Gov. John Kasich, who has vowed to sign it into the law.

The bill was created after the Center for Medical Progress released its attack videos last summer which claimed that the organization was selling “aborted baby parts.” The lawmakers who authored the legislation used the videos as the main evidence for defunding the largest women’s health organization, even after Ohio’s attorney general cleared the state’s Planned Parenthood clinics of any unlawful acts.

A number of other states are also attempting to pass measures to defund Planned Parenthood, but Ohio’s bill could be particularly disastrous. Women’s health advocates say the bill’s vague wording could unintentionally prevent major health departments in Ohio’s most populated areas from accessing these funds for all forms of care — not just abortions — and could ban major Ohio insurers from covering any other health services simply based on the fact that they also cover abortion.

By cutting off any programs that provide abortions, the legislation also targets programs that screen for cancer, support mothers through pregnancy, and educate teens about domestic violence. Instead, the funds will be redirected to other providers, including dentist’s offices and school nurses, which do not perform these vital services.

Despite pressure from public health advocates, Ohio voters, and the New York Times, Kasich has remained committed to seeing the bill through into law.

“If they want to raise money, they can still do it,” Kasich told a voter in Iowa last month when he promised to sign the bill. “I’m going to sign a bill to defund it, so you shouldn’t be confused.”

When the voter pressed him about all of the other crucial services that Planned Parenthood also offers women, Kasich declared that “we’re done” and walked away.

If Ohio goes the way of Texas after the measure is signed, the results could be catastrophic for economically disadvantaged women across the state. A recent study released by Texas-based researchers found that defunding Planned Parenthood clinics leaves some poor women unable to access the most effective forms of birth control, including IUDs and implants. As a result, the state saw a dramatic 27 percent spike in births after Planned Parenthood was kicked out of the state’s family planning network.

Kasich, who is still campaigning off his largely unexpected second place finish in the New Hampshire presidential primary, has a long anti-abortion track record. Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund, noted Wednesday that under Kasich, Ohio has passed 17 restrictions on women’s health and closed nearly half the abortion providers in the state.

We’ve seen the dire consequences for women, men and young people when politicians block access to care at Planned Parenthood health centers,” she said. “It’s time for political games to end — and for Governor Kasich to veto this bill so Ohioans don’t lose vital care.”
The whole thing is a big concern especially for the poor. What are they going to do (for example) ... "screen for cancer, support mothers through pregnancy, and educate teens about domestic violence"... wait until the cancer is so progressed that it's too late, just forget about getting taken care of properly through pregnancy, just let our teens get beat up by their partners. That's the best way to learn ... eh?

The men and women of Ohio are screwed ... big time.

Why don't they understand that men use Planned Parenthood as well? Men get cancer screening there too! Men get treated for STD's there too. Men are trained in birth control there too.

A male friend of mine ... my age ... went there recently and was diagnosed with with prostate cancer. He had been going without medical care for a long time due to not having an employer and not having insurance. I told him to go there and get checked. He won't tell me how far it's progressed. Now he's also going to lose his help.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 2/18/2016 2:49:04 AM
Deetristate: Planning sex is not the same as planning pregnancy. Saying that people having sex should be planning for childbirth, marriage and child support IS depicting children as punishment for sex - why else should having sex entail child support?

Sex does not inevitably lead to parenthood, and we have ways of making sure. Why would we want to block those options? To force our world to choke under a layer of suffering, dying, fighting, killing, starving humans?

Parenthood is not the inviolable duty of every human.
ED BEAR
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 314
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Posted: 2/18/2016 5:53:26 AM
Neither is sex. Neither is not aborting. And unfortunate that you consider having a child a punishment.

There is obviously a greater risk of overpopulation by immigration policy than baby making by native americans (small n).

The myth of world overpopulation was put out to pasture, wasn't ? Last I read, the world can feed 50% more people than it has.

Please share if you have an update.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 315
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Posted: 2/18/2016 7:44:18 AM
Feed 50% more? Yes in "theory" maybe..if there was sharing and caring.

meanwhile in REALITY..a goodly % are obese or grossly obese..eating far more than is healthy

while another goodly % starves.

I suppose you have some magical "easy" solution to this conundrum?
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 2/22/2016 2:52:52 AM
No, I didn't say that having children is punishment. I said that treating children as "deserved consequences" of having sex is treating sex as punishment.

Overpopulation is a global problem - because we all share the same resources. People in Africa still create CO2, consume energy and other resources. Saying it's not a problem if is only happens to other people is cruel, selfish foolishness.

There has never, ever been any debunking of the population problem by ANYONE, not since the days of Thomas Malthus. We CAN produce more food, or mor energy, or whatever we need... but with population doubling every 20-25 years, there is NO WAY we can make headway against the other problems of overpopulation. Waste buildup, resource destruction, global warming, food and water contamination, lack of opportunity, lack of housing, and all the rest can only be solved if we can stop human population growth from undoing all our efforts.

And anyone who has given up on population control has zero motivation to care or act in defense of humanity's future. They might as well just burn, baby, burn that coal, poop in the river and flush all manner of poisons into the sewers too.
ED BEAR
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 317
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Posted: 2/22/2016 5:09:37 AM
What would people like you do without Africa to feel sorry for and affect to care about. Ha. Jerome's law. Again. Ha.

I have lived in Croatia, Kenya and many places in the world. One thing about africa- they appreciate and accept life as it is. Birth, children, eat, die. Enjoy what you have. (I.e., not a "conundrum")
Unless influenced by western culture, there is no thirst for more and more stuff. Manmade famines are not good but I find them happier and more centered, without therapists and xanax or however you spell it. Children are a blessing.

And, again, do not project your feelings that children are dire upon me. Children are a result of sex, and now science. You may characterize that as a bad thing or punishment if YOU wish.

Distribution issues are very different from population issues. Of course westerners want more so they think that limiting others will do that. No, it won't.

And, I guess that I must say , again, women should be allowed to abort all that they want. There is just nothing noble about it.
 Ed Bear
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 2/23/2016 10:00:01 PM
Now you're just twisting my words, over and over.

I'm not feeling sorry about Africa; I'm feeling alarmed that you think overpopulation in Africa won't harm the entire world, not just Africa. It's not a distribution problem - unless you plan to "distribute" the excess waste and CO2 all in Africa, where it won't stay. And it will make people mad at you for dumping it all on them.

No matter how much we do without, increased population will undo our efforts. Anyone can readily cut most of their consumption and emissions my about 10%. By the time you get to 20%, you're getting serious pushback. And if the population of the world is doubling in 20-25 years, that means HALVING our standard of living (or doubling every sort of efficiency) every 20-25 years. Good luck.

And I'm not saying that children are a bad thing; I'm saying that there's no reason that having sex should require marriage or parenting. You are saying that children are the deserved consequences (and thus a threat of punishment) of having sex. You keep deliberately repeating your distortions, but I think everyone else knows what I am saying.

There's nothing noble about having an abortion. There's nothing noble about having kids you can't love or care for.

ED BEAR
 FGRN83
Joined: 1/21/2016
Msg: 319
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Posted: 2/24/2016 7:05:37 AM
Our population is in rapid decline. The African American population as well. My advice would be for Aryan and African Americans to become racially aware. As for canada and africa ? Hop to it Ed. Offer up your home , $ and wife. Sing kumbaya. But please , never be "wayciss".
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
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Posted: 2/24/2016 8:22:41 AM
Ed
"No matter how much we do without, increased population will undo our efforts. Anyone can readily cut most of their consumption and emissions my about 10%."

Did you know about the referendum held in switzerland no all that long ago regarding immigration and overpopulation?

The swiss ecopop group received enough signatures to hold a referendum.

"Swiss voters have roundly rejected an initiative to put a cap on immigration in the name of environmental concerns. Final results showed 74.1% of voters said no in a referendum spearheaded by Ecopop, a group describing themselves as leftist ecologists, who claimed the country was being “buried under concrete” owing to the growing influx of foreigners.

Ecopop said the Alpine country’s resources were insufficient to support mass immigration, which it argued was damaging its landscape.

The group, which was formed 40 years ago by a group of academics, ecologists and feminists, also proposed using 10% of the country’s overseas aid budget for family planning projects in the developing world.

The anti-immigrant initiative, which united leftwing ecologists and far-right thinkers, drew huge criticism from around the world and led to an unprecedented counter-campaign by business leaders*, the government* and other mainstream parties* who argued it would do considerable damage to the economy and would "isolate Switzerland from the European Union.**"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/switzerland-rejects-immigration-cap

*at least the corrupt elites all sing the same song. Cheap labour to exploit so they can make even more money by undercutting citizens wages.

** eh like that would be bad thing then.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 321
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Posted: 2/24/2016 8:30:43 AM

"No matter how much we do without, increased population will undo our efforts.


Malthus said that in 1798..over 215 years ago..

the end was nigh..catastrophe around the corner..mass starvation imminent many others before & since..Rachel Carson circa 1970

the sky is ALWAYS falling..to some

but I know, I know.. THIS TIME IT [B] really is !! for reals!
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 3/10/2016 1:15:58 AM
I'm not saying anything about immigration or distribution. There is a limit, somewhere, to how many people can live decently on the earth, given our current and possible levels of tech. It's world-wide.

Malthus said that plague, war and famine would limit population if people didn't. People didn't.

In the last century, we learned how to extract ever more energy and food from the earth. But we ran into other limits, of dumping waste and changing our seas and atmosphere. There are always limits somewhere. And the less fortunate regions of the planet are wanting to improve their lot, not make sacrifices.

How much are you willing to sacrifice? What do you think other people should sacrifice?
ED BEAR
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 323
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Posted: 3/10/2016 8:06:13 AM
The "less fortunate" are not creating waste everyday because everything has to prepackaged and plastic wrapped.

Maybe first worlders should not have kids. Oh, that's right. They aren't having that many

Overpopulation crying is a PC way to limit other people who are not first worlders. Everyone has caught on to that. Kind of like zika and aids, but it always comes back to harm them.

So, see, no problem.
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 3/13/2016 12:51:41 AM
Deetristate: I do not argue that having married parents, or at least common-law parents, does not provide a better (healthier, safer, enriched) life for a child.

Dee: "I would venture to guess that in ten percent or less of the "unplanned pregnancies" that the act was unplanned or without consent, at least in the West."

Are you saying that the SEX act, or the IMPREGNATION, was unplanned? Planning the sex act is not the same as planning to impregnate or get impregnated. You are once again deliberately equating them. Deciding to have sex is not the same as deciding to have children. This is why I observe that you consider parenthood as the just desserts of sex. I.e., "punishment."

Drug costs are a critical problem for a great many people in America. I would hope that most men would participate in funding birth control for their partners (though somehow I doubt it), be it barrier or hormonal, but in my (Canadian) experience all the women I know have been able to get their monthly pill contraceptive packs for $1 each at community clinics or school health professionals. I have not looked into Canadian retail prices for them in years - can someone else help us here?

In the US, Planned Parenthood is the most prominent option for women not registered in schools, and with luck and lawsuits most health plans should cover the costs, too. Anyone know what costs are at PP and other community clinics in their area?

ALL: I certainly see the threat to social stability that biased gender-selection makes. Men are demonstratively more prone to violence, and if they are all going to fight over a smaller pool of women, it doesn't bode well for world peace - or respect of a woman's right to say "N0!"

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