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 villabolos
Joined: 7/24/2015
Msg: 76
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We should all be upset in how the Church handled those scandals. You should never stop being upset over evil acts that have been committed.

However, do not let what happened get in the way of the message.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 77
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Posted: 7/31/2015 10:03:18 AM
when Nancy Reagan found out stem cell research might help in the fight against Alzheimer's, she upset the anti abortionists by changing her stance...

as for families pumping out kids...some might not do so if they were taught proper birth control in public school. guess who gets in the way of that. and then there are the pious families, who take to heart the part of the Bible telling them to go forth and multiply...

sometimes, the issue isn't black and white.
 11qq
Joined: 7/17/2015
Msg: 78
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Posted: 7/31/2015 10:09:02 AM
so if you were that baby in the womb you'd say, "yes go ahead you ghouls, take my life by crushing me and my dissect me for my organs.
my life means nothing to me."




yes it is black and white. it's only defensible by the insane.
but then the Kardashian Society is running America now.
insanity is the new normal.
 villabolos
Joined: 7/24/2015
Msg: 79
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Posted: 7/31/2015 10:19:19 AM
gto -
I recall a statement from you sometime back about you inherited a large sum of money.
What kind of death taxes did you pay on that money?? Did you pay what the current rate was at the time, or did you say to yourself that wasn't enough and you were going to pay what Obama wants you to pay??
Thanks for sharing that you inherited a large sum of money by the way.
Then you go around lecturing in other threads about how people need to invest in the market and about all the money you have made there.While I have no doubt you have made a lot of money in the market(who hasn't??), I have to wonder what your financial situation would be if you didn't have that "large sum of money" to invest.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 80
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Planned parent hood donating fetus parts
Posted: 7/31/2015 11:01:53 AM

The extreme or abnormal situations which did create a need for PP at one time is now totally abused to the nines!
And explain to us what those extreme and abnormal situations were ...

No matter what you think, it still does not take away that Planned Parenthood helps people with detection of cancer ... men get cancer too, men get STD's too and men need their services too.

A friend of mine was not doing so well several years ago ... both financially and physically ... and his symptoms indicated that he needed a visit to a Planned Parenthood center ... discovered he had breast cancer. Thanks to their services, he's still alive.



Not ALL Planned Parenthood Centers perform abortions ... lots of them save lives of people who really matter to us.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 81
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:21:26 AM

Whatever your position on abortion ( pro-choice or pro life) or what they are doing with the parts (good for medical research or not) , why deny that what is happening on the recording happened?

That is like when people deny a police beating or killing someone that is on a recording RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES.


Years ago, watching my children at the playground with the other mothers, we were laughing at their antics. A general conversation about the littles' mischievousness ensued. Someone, it could have been me, commented: They're such little devils. Imagine my surprise at seeing myself on the five o'clock news above the banner: SUBURBAN MOM CLAIMS CHILD IS SPAWN OF THE DEVIL. The clip is just my face. and the word "devil." [no. didn't happen.]

The makers of the tape had 3 hours, 300 pages of transcript. The final tape was nine minutes. YOU'RE gonna believe that? Really?

Other providers/preparers of human tissue have said that at $30 to $100, they're losing money on what the service costs them. The going rate is closer to $500.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 82
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:43:29 AM

Anencephaly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly

Search for: What is an anencephalic newborn?
How common is anencephaly?

Anencephaly is one of the most common types of neural tube defect, affecting about 1 in 1,000 pregnancies. However, most of these pregnancies end in miscarriage, so the prevalence of this condition in newborns is much lower. An estimated 1 in 10,000 infants in the United States is born with anencephaly.


These fetuses do NOT live.


There is no cure or standard treatment for anencephaly and the prognosis for patients is death. Most anencephalic fetuses do not survive birth, accounting for 55% of non-aborted cases. If the infant is not stillborn, then he or she will usually die within a few hours or days after birth from cardiorespiratory arrest.[4][20]

Four recorded cases of anencephalic children surviving for longer periods of time are Stephanie Keene of Falls Church, Virginia, USA, who lived for 2 years 174 days; Vitoria de Cristo, born in Brazil in January 2010 and surviving until July 17, 2012;[21] Nickolas Coke[22] of Pueblo, Colorado, USA, who lived for 3 years and 11 months, and died October 31, 2012.;[23][24] and Angela Morales, from Providence, Rhode Island.[25]

In almost all cases, anencephalic infants are not aggressively resuscitated because there is no chance of the infant's ever achieving a conscious existence. Instead, the usual clinical practice is to offer hydration, nutrition, and comfort measures and to "let nature take its course". Artificial ventilation, surgery (to fix any co-existing congenital defects), and drug therapy (such as antibiotics) are usually regarded as futile efforts. Some clinicians and medical ethicists view even the provision of nutrition and hydration as medically futile.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 83
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Posted: 7/31/2015 1:27:39 PM
Planned Parenthood is Not Selling Baby Parts, You F*cking Idiots
Rebecca Watson
Published on Jul 27, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUT1u8ePmVY
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 84
Planned parent hood donating fetus parts
Posted: 7/31/2015 1:42:48 PM
1) when I was young, my mother and I got into a car accident, and she hurt her back. a series of X-rays revealed she was pregnant, but due to technology at the time, all that exposure to X-rays made the doctors suggest she get an abortion.

was it a right call? a wrong one?

i'll confess, I believe in organ donation. I believe, as Nancy Reagan did after her husband got Alzheimer's, that stem cell research might have a payoff. IF someone's out there having babies just to create tissue, then I might start to question what's going on myself. but if something good can come out of an abortion that already occurred...why not? find the silver lining in a dark cloud.

2)I used to agree with Thomas Paine's treatise on the evils of inheritance. It'd be pretty hypocritical for me to now :) I'm not sure what I paid for taxes, I just took what fell out of the sky/God's plan for me/whichever and ran with it. i'd still say what I said before, that an hourly worker has less to worry about what some immigrant is going to do to his job, than what the man with the Cadillac signing his paycheck is going to do with his job. but then I grew up with entrepreneurs-turned-middle managers who taught me at a young age, "don't marry the job" and other wonderful things

and then I laugh when I'm labeled a communist, socialist, whatever for my views. hey, I beat the system, won the new American dream. of course i'm going to enjoy it. i'm not foolish. i'll join the winning side. if no one else wants to wake up and smell the coffee, then i'm not going to try to push it down their throat. i'll just smile and take another dividend check to the bank while they go to work for the Man.

but remember, you can't hate me, im the rentelier your party supports. i'm the investor who is supposedly creating jobs and making the economy grow and trickling down on the rest. there are plenty of studies that show its easier to go to college and advance, when your family already has the money to give you. but, instead of changing that, we worry about subsidizing education as a socialist thing.

ok, whatever. if I can lead the horse to water but can't make it drink...why let the water go to waste? I'll drink it.

as for the hubbub about the video...its presidential election season,and like I said before, the GOP is desperate to find an identity for itself. Is it pro business or pro worker? pro immigrant or anti? its not paranoid to see an issue get pushed out and wonder...is this just an issue to rally a political base behind? if something has to be edited...why? what has to be hid? what has to be re-interpreted?

then again...I tend to watch out for red herrings and false arguments, like I pointed out above.
 motowncowgirl
Joined: 3/24/2015
Msg: 85
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Posted: 7/31/2015 2:00:45 PM
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/07/15/media-calls-out-deceptively-edited-video-claimi/204426

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/07/20/planned-parenthood-video-latest-in-10-years-harassment

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

the entire claim against planned parenthood is a psyop designed to enrage gullible busybodies who don't know how to think or were just too fucking lazy to look it up.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 86
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Posted: 7/31/2015 3:01:37 PM
So? But face reality.


sell
sel/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: selling
1.
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.
"they had sold the car"
synonyms: put up for sale, offer for sale, put on sale, dispose of, vend, auction (off); More
2.
persuade someone of the merits of.
"he sold the idea of making a film about Tchaikovsky"
synonyms: promote; More
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 87
Planned parent hood selling off fetus parts
Posted: 7/31/2015 3:13:49 PM

So? But face reality.


sell
sel/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: selling
1.
give or hand over (something) in exchange for money.
"they had sold the car"
synonyms: put up for sale, offer for sale, put on sale, dispose of, vend, auction (off); More
2.
persuade someone of the merits of.
"he sold the idea of making a film about Tchaikovsky"
synonyms: promote; More


Oh... the desperation...




What a maroon

B. Bunny
 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 88
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Posted: 7/31/2015 4:08:39 PM
y'know...i'm so sick of tea tards i could scream.

here. for a dose of reality:

http://skepchick.org/2015/07/planned-parenthood-is-not-selling-baby-parts-you-****ing-idiots/
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 89
Planned parent hood selling off fetus parts
Posted: 7/31/2015 7:09:26 PM
Again, not much difference between

LIBERALS who say that the recordings don't show them selling because it was , ahem, "for cost"
(Never mind that I don't have a problem with the medical research for cost or otherwise because women insist upon abortion in any event so why not get something useful out of it)


and

CONSERVATIVES, who say that a cop is not beating or killing an unarmed man even when it is recorded on video for all to see.

They are the same people.

And both ends engage in name-calling and derision when they have to face reality.

I get that . . . .
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 90
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Posted: 7/31/2015 7:16:04 PM
Exposed: The Faces and Fake Names of the People Behind Planned Parenthood Attack Videos

As the Senate prepares to vote to defund Planned Parenthood, we look at the Center for Medical Progress, the anti-choice group behind the attacks on Planned Parenthood. The group was founded by David Daleiden who is seen in the undercover sting videos using a fictional name. We speak to RH Reality Check’s Sharona Coutts, who wrote the piece, "Exclusive: The Faces and Fake Names of People Behind Planned Parenthood Attack Videos."


http://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/31/exposed_the_faces_and_fake_names
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 91
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Posted: 7/31/2015 9:16:19 PM

Again, not much difference between

A huge difference... particularly when the conservative tries to play little word games... by using "sell" in narrow ways to deceitfully imply "for profit" and "illegal or black market"...

And then plays the "What, me?" game... by retreating to generic definitions... after the deceit has been pointed out... "oh, but even 'for cost' is selling so we didn't lie"... so they can still delude themselves that they were right and others are "covering up"...

And when the conservative denies the obvious... he often resorts to the exact same tactic...

So you see dearest... It really is "just the conservative"... in both cases... but it was a valiant effort...
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 92
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Posted: 7/31/2015 11:08:58 PM
I had to post this... no seriously... I was forced... for the people who seem to be having a problem here...

Perhaps all they need is... a little perspective...

http://archive.org/details.php?identifier=NinaVision
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 93
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:08:03 AM
State Probes Find Zero Planned Parenthood Violations As Antiabortion Group Is Sued Over Undercover Videos
Jennifer Gerson Uffalussy
July 31, 2015

“The investigation has concluded there was no evidence of this type of activity at these sites,” said the Indiana Department of Health in a statement, referring to the accusations that the three surgical abortion centers run by Planned Parenthood in the state were collecting fetal tissue without patients’ consent and selling it for profit.

In Massachusetts, a similar statewide investigation was also closed earlier this week, likewise finding no wrongdoing.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/state-probes-find-zero-planned-parenthood-125533982837.html

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Judge blocks release of recordings by anti-abortion group
By SUDHIN THANAWALA
Jul. 31, 2015 7:06 PM EDT

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal judge has blocked the release of any recordings made at meetings of abortion providers by an anti-abortion group that previously revealed secretly recorded videos of a Planned Parenthood leader.


http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cf5912ced21541e0965e1eb31df95c81/lawsuit-anti-abortion-group-secretly-recorded-providers
 aj7125
Joined: 11/28/2014
Msg: 94
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Posted: 8/1/2015 6:45:19 AM
By Before it's News
Would you believe it? The judge in blocked the @PPact videos is an Obama guy!

Friday, July 31, 2015 20:09


I know. I was shocked, too. Via Mollie Hemmingway at The Federalist (if you don’t have a fainting couch, you may need to invest in one before reading this):


A federal judge late Friday granted a temporary restraining order against the release of recordings made at an annual meeting of abortion providers. The injunction is against the Center for Medical Progress, the group that has unveiled Planned Parenthood’s participation in the sale of organs harvested from aborted children.

Judge William H. Orrick, III, granted the injunction just hours after the order was requested by the National Abortion Federation.

Orrick was nominated to his position by hardline abortion supporter President Barack Obama. He was also a major donor to and bundler for President Obama’s presidential campaign. He raised at least $200,000 for Obama and donated $30,800 to committees supporting him, according to Public Citizen.

I know, gang. I know. Take a moment to recover from the news that a California liberal judge who not only was appointed by Obama, but was a campaign bundler, might be making rulings based on political ideology. I can wait.

Feel better? Let’s go.

This should really not be surprising to anyone, considering this is politics as usual in the United States of America. As my colleague and intellectual superior, Leon Wolf, pointed out yesterday, the rule of law has been replaced by a system built entirely on prosecuting the hell out of people, and it has been heavily peppered with judges who act solely on political ideology and allegiance rather than the Constitution and the law.

So, while people and organizations can run to friendly judges appointed by their political allies, what used to be a system of laws is now a system of feels. If we feel you’re harming our cause, we’ll find something to bring you down. If we don’t like you, we can (at least until someone notices we’re engaging in prior restraint or the like) silence you. You don’t have freedom of speech so law as we have political activism in lieu of an actual judicial system.

P.S. If you want the First Amendment to succeed, consider donating to the American Center for Law and Justice, which is representing the Center for Medical Progress and is currently matching all donations dollar for dollar.
 07songsungblue
Joined: 7/10/2015
Msg: 95
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:20:13 AM

Catholic Nun Explains Pro-Life In A Way That Will Stun Many (Especially Republican Lawmakers)
Thu Jul 30, 2015 at 05:00 AM PDT
by Leslie Salzillo

In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy in the 'pro-life' movement:

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/30/1407166/-Catholic-Nun-Explains-Pro-Life-In-A-Way-That-May-Stun-The-Masses


I think this is worth repeating from HFX's previous message.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 96
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:20:23 AM
First off, congraduations on once agian posting a story but not providing any links to its source.

Though considering the source I guess that is why you go out of your way to hide it.




Orrick was nominated to his position by hardline abortion supporter President Barack Obama.


In related news:

More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month.

http://www.guttmacher.org/media/evidencecheck/2011/01/31/Advisory-Abortion-Mental-Health.pdf





P.S. If you want the First Amendment to succeed, consider donating to the American Center for Law and Justice, which is representing the Center for Medical Progress and is currently matching all donations dollar for dollar.


p.p.s. the American Center for Law is also the same people who attempted to block a mosque and Muslim cultural centre being built at the site of a closed Burlington Coat Factory.
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
Msg: 97
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:40:35 AM
^ Let us all keep in mind that First Amendment Rights are ONLY available to AMERICAN CITIZENS. Personally , the Coat Factory would been a more benign choice.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 98
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Posted: 8/1/2015 1:03:54 PM
First Amendment "rights" do NOT give everyone access to everyone else's bidness. Americans have a right to hold closed meetings, lock bathroom doors, and keep other people out of their bedrooms. *ESPECIALLY* people who are known to wish to kill them. Who have killed them, and who attempt to kill them all the time.
 11qq
Joined: 7/17/2015
Msg: 99
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:05:11 PM
there's no need to provide links to a source.

ANY source cited will be ridiculed and put down by the Libs and the Kardashian Society.

there's no proving anything with them because everything is legitimate. there's no shame in 14 year old girls having babies or those babies who are in the womb being crushed and dissected by ghouls and butchers.

presidents who swear an oath to defend the country can pick and choose which laws to obey and to look the other way when a city calls itself a sanctuary where felons can run amok. it's all ok.

Liberals and the Kardashian Society are dragging this country into the fecal sewer of disaster.

100 years from now Chinese Historians will name this period as the turning point, the fork in the road that led the USA into total oblivion and call it The Rise And Fall Of Western Civilization.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 100
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Posted: 8/1/2015 2:31:36 PM
What have the Chinese had to say about America before the late 1880s when abortion was openly practiced? When women were pushing for rights, then to try to control them, abortions were restricted, it was a backlash of the suffrage movement, not about saving fetuses. So what have the Chinese had to say about America during the time before the suffrage movement? Are they the head speakers of what's right or wrong in America?
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