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 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 101
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Yeah. Japan, Korea, Singapore....even France and the UK put more pressure on students. Seeing as there is a gender imbalance in China now because of the One Child policy, I'm guessing the pressure on Chinese men to succeed just to get laid must be enormous.
 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 102
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Posted: 8/30/2015 1:12:53 PM

Hi there, I read guns also prevent potential crimes too though:)


This happens daily in the US, but since it's counter to the prevailing anti-gun political agenda, instances where a gun in private non LEO hands saved lives aren't widely publicized.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 103
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Posted: 8/30/2015 1:19:25 PM

I suppose you also believe that whatever the federal regime does is by default "the will of the people"? There's a very good reason why the oath that military, LEOs, and politicians take is to the Constitution and not to the government as a whole, CONgress, or to a particular member of the federal government. Ever wonder why that is? Yes, it is the same reason why the 2nd Amendment exists and is under constant assault.


This happens daily in the US, but since it's counter to the prevailing anti-gun political agenda, instances where a gun in private non LEO hands saved lives aren't widely publicized.

And which ones... are the "reptiloid, shape-shifting aliens"... again...?
 SunshineGirl__
Joined: 10/7/2014
Msg: 104
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Posted: 8/30/2015 3:28:38 PM

This happens daily in the US,


Link please?


but since it's counter to the prevailing anti-gun political agenda, instances where a gun in private non LEO hands saved lives aren't widely publicized.


You are full of crap. Cite your source(s). Something that doesn’t have the word “fox,” in it.


I would like us to have guns, but America has had a long time to integrate them in their society

So it's not an option~ :)


You’re an Aussie, aren’t you? What does America having guns have to do with Aussies not having an option?


I agree.


You agree that Australia doesn’t have a gun option because America has guns?? Patronizing panderer.
 Peas_
Joined: 5/2/2015
Msg: 105
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Posted: 8/30/2015 3:38:21 PM
lol, shhhhhh, you don't have to be disabled anymore to qualify for a deer hunting permit witha crossbow anymore in Wisc.
 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 106
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Posted: 8/30/2015 3:56:10 PM

Link please?


*A* link or thousands?

http://gunsnfreedom.com/just-a-few-examples-where-gun-owners-stopped-mass-shootings-in-public/1571
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.qk31Qagb1
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/it-true-armed-civilians-have-never-stopped-mass-shooting_690808.html
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/jeffrey-meyer/mystery-man-tops-10-mass-shootings-prevented-gun-owners

Try googling "gun owner stops mass shooting" "gun owner stops robber" "gun owner stops carjacking" "gun owner stops mugging" "gun owner stops break in" "gun owner stops ___" etc.


You are full of crap. Cite your source(s). Something that doesn’t have the word “fox,” in it.


Golly I wonder if that was an emotional reaction. Again with the mox news, it seems to be an epidemic in this place. lol You want me to cite a source that proves gun owners stopping crimes is NOT widely publicized? Did you try googling it yourself? Have you heard of any of the cases linked above? Why do you suppose that is?


And which ones... are the "reptiloid, shape-shifting aliens"... again...?


Why anybody whose views vary from yours joe. Natch.

lol Did you actually quote my post from another thread? Heartwarming to know I have such devoted fans! ;)
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 107
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:21:50 PM

lol Did you actually quote my post from another thread?

Yeah... I was feeling lazy... and didn't want to post the same comment twice... in two threads...

Plus... I didn't really think it would make any difference... read it once... read it twice... same outcome... a "747"...
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 108
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:26:16 PM
^^^

Sacredrain...excellent, reasonable, informative, and helpful post above.
It is interesting how people become so emotional about trying to confiscate lawfully-owned items that are Constitutionally-protected to United States citizens.

They seem so angry about it, too.
That anger is essentially transference in that they feel that because they are filled with rage and they themselves lack the controlled temper to own a firearm...they feel everyone also lacks composure. They feel others will shoot someone over a fenderbender or for receiving the wrong change for a paper at the newsstand. Reality shows otherwise in the vast majority of states that have CCW. It is a successful program time and again.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 109
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:33:28 PM

Try googling "gun owner stops mass shooting" "gun owner stops robber" "gun owner stops carjacking" "gun owner stops mugging" "gun owner stops break in" "gun owner stops ___" etc.


Then when you are done looking at anecdotal stories, start looking at the facts.

Which state that, A gun in the home make homicide 2.7 times more likely.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-kellermann.ht
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 110
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:37:26 PM

http://gunsnfreedom.com/just-a-few-examples-where-gun-owners-stopped-mass-shootings-in-public/1571
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/05/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit#.qk31Qagb1
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/20/uber-driver-with-gun-apparently-stops-would-be-mass-shooter-have-civilians-stopped-such-mass-shootings-before/
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/it-true-armed-civilians-have-never-stopped-mass-shooting_690808.html
http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/jeffrey-meyer/mystery-man-tops-10-mass-shootings-prevented-gun-owners


These links, for the most part are a repeat list of 9 of the same events...I, in all honesty didn't research all 9 events, but did find local news reports for about 6 of the events. A recurrent theme is that an off duty cop, not some gun totin' citizen, engaged the shooter. And in a few cases the link you supplied reported the event different from the local news report.


Sacredrain...excellent, reasonable, informative, and helpful post above.


Clearly you didn't read one link.


What a maroon

B Bunny
 congupnaroad
Joined: 7/22/2015
Msg: 111
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:38:57 PM
Well,I guess it was only a matter of time that the self-defence card would be wheeled out! According to these statistics defensive use of guns comprise only about 0.02% of confirmed incidents.

The NRA has often claimed that guns are used defensively millions of times per year! But the statistics tell us that is mathematically impossible, in other words it is a lie.



GUN VIOLENCE ARCHIVE 2015 TOLL OF GUN VIOLENCE
Total Number of Incidents 33,830
Number of Deaths1 8,630
Number of Injuries1 17,604
Number of Children (age 0-11) Killed/Injured1 495
Number of Teens (age 12-17) Killed/Injured1 1,711
Mass Shooting2 226
Officer Involved Shooting2 2,926
Home Invasion2 1,498
Defensive Use2 790
Accidental Shooting2 1,240
Gun violence incidents collected/validated from 1200+ sources daily – source links on each incident report



www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive

Data Validated: August 30, 2015
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 112
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:47:21 PM

Posted by Conguparoad:
"The NRA has often claimed that guns are used defensively millions of times per year!"

Correct. In the vast majority of times a firearm is presented, zero shots are fired.
Lawfully-owned firearms are a remarkable deterrent to crime.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 113
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Posted: 8/30/2015 4:55:46 PM

They feel others will shoot someone over a fenderbender or for receiving the wrong change for a paper at the newsstand. Reality shows otherwise in the vast majority of states that have CCW. It is a successful program time and again.


I am truly not sure if you are really that stupid, or really that much of a dishonest person.

Because to make claim and not know it is 100% false can only mean one or the other.


Here are just a few recent ones,


http://abcnews.go.com/US/tammy-meyers-road-rage-shooting-adjusted-timeline/story?id=29046012

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/09/concealed_carry_holder_shoots.html#incart_m-rpt-1

http://www.inquisitr.com/2287080/road-rage-dad-family/

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/10/road-rage-cop-pulls-gun-on-former-senator-for-honking-at-him/

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/florida-road-rage-incident-turns-deadly-in-horrifying-stand-your-ground-killing/


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^^^True
Like they would argue about it~ if an intruder broken in,cut their phone lines
And was about to rape and murder them

"Oh no a gun is not appropriate for me~I'll argue this one to the criminal":)))


And buying a gun thinking you will be safer for owning it, it like deciding to live on a boat to reduce your chances of drowning.

It is literally stupid.

 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 114
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Posted: 8/30/2015 5:52:03 PM

Sacredrain...excellent, reasonable, informative, and helpful post above.
It is interesting how people become so emotional about trying to confiscate lawfully-owned items that are Constitutionally-protected to United States citizens.


Thanks. Yep, don't really understand all the emotion based outrage on the subject.


They seem so angry about it, too.
That anger is essentially transference in that they feel that because they are filled with rage and they themselves lack the controlled temper to own a firearm...they feel everyone also lacks composure. They feel others will shoot someone over a fenderbender or for receiving the wrong change for a paper at the newsstand. Reality shows otherwise in the vast majority of states that have CCW. It is a successful program time and again.


Agree. The vast majority of gun owners don't make a big stink out of it, they just know it's there if they need it and that's enough. I live in a small town and often forget to close my front door at night. I also know that every house adjacent to my own has at least one gun in it, because I've discussed it with my neighbors. Rather than feel frightened about it, I consider it a plus that we're all equipped to defend our own and potentially each other's homes. This notion that somehow everyone that owns a gun is some kind of crazed wack job is ridiculous nonsense.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 115
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:01:51 PM
Isn't the crime rate down? This is just based on a quick google search. Interested in other info if you have it.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 116
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:38:35 PM

If they don't get a gun they pretty much use any method at hand


You just made a great case for gun control.



How about you political bores~ try preventing criminals from the need for citizens to carry arms

Too difficult eh:))


It is very much difficult, when you have idiot who think the "job creators" need to have all the money while cutting school funding, health services budgets and generally f*cking over poor people.

When you can figure out how acting a bit more jesus like and take care of the poor would in turn make everything better for everyone.

So it is not because no one knows how, it is because the government in the USA is 90% run by corporations and Bernie Sanders is just the guy that can start the ball rolling in the right direction.

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Say it is case~ should I order champagne because a few criminals have taken a year off:))))~ don't think sooo:)


No you should just accept the fact that crimes rates on the whole have been in decline.
 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 117
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Posted: 8/30/2015 6:58:03 PM
^^^I don't even know what to say. There's so many things wrong with the notion that electing one particular Socialist or another is somehow going to magically make everything better...I'm speechless.^^^


Isn't the crime rate down? This is just based on a quick google search. Interested in other info if you have it.


Yep. Violent crime has been roughly cut in half in the US since the early 90s. Of course those with a vested interest in keeping people afraid and isolated don't want you to realize this.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1993-2012.xls

The first rule of NOT fight club is...we don't talk about NOT fight club. Now go fear your neighbors and beg for .gov protection! ;)
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 118
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:06:10 PM

^^^I don't even know what to say. There's so many things wrong with the notion that electing one particular Socialist or another is somehow going to magically make everything better...I'm speechless.^^^


Not surprized, as facts and logic have that effect on some people.

I see it all the time when I am trying to explain evolution to a creationsit.





The first rule of NOT fight club is...we don't talk about NOT fight club. Now go fear your neighbors and beg for .gov protection! ;)


and do not forget to avoid all those pesky rules and regs, you log on to Reddit and get yourself a gun.
 bucsgirl
Joined: 5/13/2006
Msg: 119
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:10:23 PM
Again the premise is that because Americans expect so much, this leads to mass murder. The reason gun violence comes into play is that is the only way mass murder can be committed, as mass murder is usually a shooting incident. Unless you take bombings, ordinarily mass murder will be by guns.

If the CAUSE is too high of expectations, then shouldn't the SOLUTION be centered around changing the unrealistic (allegedly....ugh) expectations that, well I don't know apparently America puts on people, to commit mass murder. If the trail of logic follows, then altering the availability of guns wouldn't take away the cause so if high expectations engenders desire to kill mass numbers of people, would they not seek out another method?

Surely we haven't forgotten about 9/11, where no guns were used or even produced as weapons, but what ensued was the largest mass murder in US history to the best of my recollection.

Again, if you know the cause for certain, then you work the solution to fit the cause. That's how I problem solve and it's always worked for me.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 120
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:16:02 PM

If the trail of logic follows, then altering the availability of guns wouldn't take away the cause so if high expectations engenders desire to kill mass numbers of people, would they not seek out another method?


You have to understand that much of that want and desire to kill is based on the use of the gun.

Without the gun the fantasy falls apart.
 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 121
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:25:36 PM
What facts?


It is very much difficult, when you have idiot who think the "job creators" need to have all the money while cutting school funding, health services budgets and generally f*cking over poor people.


Emotion based victim complex nonsense and rob those evil rich folk opinion. Those are not facts. We're coming up on the 51st anniversary of LBJ's Socialist war on poverty in America. I think it's safe to say it's been a dismal failure to this point...but sure, let's double down and steal more of other people's stuff...mortgage more of our grand children's future with crippling debt. What the hell, the unborn cannot vote after all, they won't even know what we did for decades.

Here's an ACTUAL fact for you. The United States of America is BROKE. We cannot afford more Socialist "freebies".


When you can figure out how acting a bit more jesus like and take care of the poor would in turn make everything better for everyone.

So it is not because no one knows how, it is because the government in the USA is 90% run by corporations and Bernie Sanders is just the guy that can start the ball rolling in the right direction.


More facts I guess...


and do not forget to avoid all those pesky rules and regs, you log on to Reddit and get yourself a gun.


I don't even know what this means...but I'm certain it's not fact based.
 Eric_Summit
Joined: 11/3/2009
Msg: 122
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:39:30 PM

Posted by sacredrain:
"Those are not facts. "

You are absolutely correct.
Liberals predictably gravitate to easily-digested yet silly soundbites and absurd Facebook memes.
They especially promote them if it is a quote that is randomly accompanied by a pic of Morgan Freeman.

One of my favorites is when they offer it is "easier to buy a handgun than a gallon of milk" or similar nonsense.
Yeah, right. I will take anyone up on that little retail competition any day of the week and twice on Sundays. LOL.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 123
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:46:12 PM

If the CAUSE is too high of expectations, then shouldn't the SOLUTION be centered around changing the unrealistic (allegedly....ugh) expectations that, well I don't know apparently America puts on people, to commit mass murder. If the trail of logic follows, then altering the availability of guns wouldn't take away the cause so if high expectations engenders desire to kill mass numbers of people,

And... we wouldn't have to be answering... the same point... over and over... if people would read what is said... between their posts...

That being said... here it is... again...

And ideally... that would be the case... and while it might very well be the best part of a solution... it is a decidedly long term solution... one that could take generations and hundreds of years to address... kind of like racial discrimination...

But here is the question that raises... What do we do about the violence... in the interim... while we are waiting for that solution to "complete" itself...? Do we continue to do nothing more... than that... in the cold comfort that one day... after who knows how many bodies are "stacked up"... that it will be solved...? Or... do we utilize a combination of... short and long term strategies...? And again... this brings me back to my "example"... of racial discrimination... All of the laws we put in place to address it... while lessening it's immediate and harshest impacts... have not put an end to it... but then they never really were supposed to do that... they were just supposed to deal with the harshest, most immediate impacts... ending it was and still is... the long term "psychological solution"... through education and social pressures...

So again... Do we just "accept" the death toll... while we try to figure out a "psychological solution"...? or do we take measures... which certainly won't end the problem... to attempt to alleviate the harshest and most immediate impacts... as quickly as possible... while "working on" the long term "psychological solution"...?

Are you suggesting that the answer... is to simply let bodies pile up... year after year... while we wait for a solution... that will obviously take generations to complete... and do nothing else in the mean time... even solutions which appear to have short term benefit...?

Here's an ACTUAL fact for you. The United States of America is BROKE. We cannot afford more Socialist "freebies".

And... once again... you completely fail... to understand the difference... between a nation's economics... and your personal/company economics...
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 124
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Posted: 8/30/2015 7:47:34 PM

Liberals predictably gravitate to easily-digested yet silly soundbites and absurd Facebook memes.
They especially promote them if it is a quote that is randomly accompanied by a pic of Morgan Freeman.


Why are you so angry?





One of my favorites is when they offer it is "easier to buy a handgun than a gallon of milk" or similar nonsense. Yeah, right. I will take anyone up on that little retail competition any day of the week and twice on Sundays. LOL.


In related news, Becky's Goal Post Moving company is having a 1/2 sale.
 sacredrain
Joined: 4/12/2015
Msg: 125
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Posted: 8/30/2015 8:11:39 PM


Here's an ACTUAL fact for you. The United States of America is BROKE. We cannot afford more Socialist "freebies".

And... once again... you completely fail... to understand the difference... between a nation's economics... and your personal/company economics...


Well why don't you just go right on ahead there now and tell me where I'm wrong joe. I was pretty certain $97,483,000,000,000 in unfunded liabilities was A LOT, particularly as it's heading in the wrong direction and perpetually growing even with interest rates are @ 0% for 7 years. Tell me how I'm wrong...though if your answer is that the US can just magically "print" more dollars to pay the debt, then feel free to not spend a bunch of time on it.
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