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 8inscrew
Joined: 11/17/2014
Msg: 126
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?Page 6 of 10    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
^^^ see dedication redundancy.
learn how to spell.

Edit.

Wii the boys start acting like gentle men.
Ive got daughters.. raggamuffin
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 127
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 4:33:02 AM
Jacob is a conservative Jewish teenager who works at a restaurant. His boss makes his shifts so that he can get off from work early enough on Fridays to beat Sundown and get to synagogue. That time changes, depending upon the season. The other employees work on Friday evenings and are scheduled around Jacob's religious accommodation. People get served, tables get cleaned, money gets counted, goods get brought in from a truck..
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 128
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 5:54:58 AM

Jacob is a conservative Jewish teenager who works at a restaurant.

Just how "conservative" is "Jacob"?

Does he refuse to serve pork?
Does he refuse to serve shellfish?
Does he refuse to serve "gay" people?
Does he refuse to serve married "jewish" women, who are showing their hair.?
Does he refuse to serve people who are wearing mixed fibres?
Does he make males and females sit at separate tables?
Does he refuse to serve Palestinians?


If he was a really "conservative jew", he wouldn't be working at all,
as a young adult, he would be devoting himself to "talmudic study", full-time,
& probably in Israel building illegal settlements, or just nodding at a wall...

The sooner people shed the superstitious beliefs of neolithic farmers, the sooner we can all live in some semblance of rationality.
Religions....
Just say NO, kids.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 129
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 6:28:59 AM
Irrelevant but . . . .He is not orthodox so . . .
Anyway, doesn't change the religious accommodation given.
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 130
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 7:02:44 AM

Posted By: deetristate
Jacob is a conservative Jewish teenager who works at a restaurant. His boss makes his shifts so that he can get off from work early enough on Fridays to beat Sundown and get to synagogue. That time changes, depending upon the season. The other employees work on Friday evenings and are scheduled around Jacob's religious accommodation. People get served, tables get cleaned, money gets counted, goods get brought in from a truck..

cool,are we playing Twenty Questions?

Is the restaurant located in Israel
Is the boss Jewish or have any Jewish ancestors
Is the restaurant owned by someone Jewish or have Jewish relatives or the relatives have Jewish ancestors
Is the boss trying to keep the teenager from working the same shift as his daughter
Do the Boss have the hots for the teenager
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 131
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 7:32:53 AM

Irrelevant but . . . .He is not orthodox so . . .
Anyway, doesn't change the religious accommodation given.

You'd have a point, if this was just about her not working on a Sunday, but it wasn't.

She's refusing to provide the very services which her office provides: Marriage Certificates, to 'paying customers'. (read; Legally entitled citizens, or whatever)

If he wanted to work in this "non-kosher" restaurant,
(I'm only assuming this, because in your scenario, the restaurant stays open on the "sabbath" [sp?] )
but wanted the "religious accommodation" to also include; never handling any "non-kosher" food,
I suspect the restaurant's management would be less accommodating,
and tell him he might want to think about finding another job.

That's what this lady should do, instead of continuing to use her position for purely political publicity.
That's one of the problems with all religions; they are not just the "privately-held beliefs" which they are often claimed to be.
They also want to impose their "rules" on everyone else too.

IMO Religion is simply a sociological "badge of goodness", and always has to be very "public", or being religious serves no purpose.
And the "purpose" of religions is to gain respect.
We've all been taught (/brainwashed) from a very early age, that religious people are "very good people".

The more religious you are (Always publicly, don't forget), the more "good" you are supposed to be perceived to be, and the more of society's "respect" you will have, -for being so "good".

So effectively, society becomes embroiled in what can only be described as "bidding wars" of religiosity.
The most "respected" individuals are the most "devout" followers of religions. (Or extreme)

So in christianity, it's "nuns", -we don't object to their "burka-like" public displays of "devotion", similarly with "priests", and "monks" etc.
In "islam", it's "mullahs", in judaism, it's "rabbis".

Don't forget that ALL of these people are self-appointed, though they will all claim that it was a "calling", right up until the day they get arrested, for child abuse.

In my opinion, it's exactly these kinds of sociological "bidding wars" of religiosity, which have ultimately led to the sorts of problems we now see in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Sudan, etc etc
In fact....
I can't think of any of the current conflicts in the world, which don't involve religions, and their alleged "goodness".
But I digress...
JMO
 45ranier
Joined: 9/2/2015
Msg: 132
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 8:27:33 AM
8inch you had something you wanted to say to me?

First answer my question?

Are you bragging in your name...or complaining?
 45ranier
Joined: 9/2/2015
Msg: 133
Hey, let's treat her like a liberal not doing their job
Posted: 9/12/2015 8:32:17 AM
"Man... what part of "No"... doesn't this lunatic get...?"

She has simply got some very bad legal advice. I would not be surprised if the lawyers bringing the appeal are sanctioned unless there is something they can grab onto showing a good faith basis for a change in the law or why the judge was wrong. Hard to know what they will actually argue but the brief will be available on pacer when filed.
 SunshineGirl__
Joined: 10/7/2014
Msg: 134
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/12/2015 1:40:52 PM

Irrelevant but . . . .He is not orthodox so . . .
Anyway, doesn't change the religious accommodation given.


So he’s the kind of Jew who only observes the Sabbath and “rushes to the synagogue,” before sunset like a vampire but observes nothing else? he’s a pick and choose Jew? Just like your example that has nothing to do with Davis and your religious accommodation BS has already been addressed.

His co-workers probably love him for taking the Sunday morning shift so they can sleep off their Saturday night hangovers.
 MaleFeasance
Joined: 3/13/2015
Msg: 135
Gee, if she was a liberal standing for a liberal cause, what would the uproar be?
Posted: 9/12/2015 5:39:06 PM
Jacob is a conservative Jewish teenager who works at a restaurant. His boss makes his shifts so that he can get off from work early enough on Fridays to beat Sundown and get to synagogue. That time changes, depending upon the season. The other employees work on Friday evenings and are scheduled around Jacob's religious accommodation. People get served, tables get cleaned, money gets counted, goods get brought in from a truck..
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And when Jacob decided that non Jewish customers should not be allowed to eat, Jacob got fired. Then, when he refused to obey a restraining order prohibiting him from interfering with the diners, Jacob was put in jail.
 congupnaroad
Joined: 7/22/2015
Msg: 136
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Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/12/2015 5:41:00 PM

So he’s the kind of Jew who only observes the Sabbath and “rushes to the synagogue,” before sunset like a vampire but observes nothing else? he’s a pick and choose Jew? Just like your example that has nothing to do with Davis and your religious accommodation BS has already been addressed



Oh I thought the example you have done nothing but ridicule was a good example of how compromises can be made.

Don't you like the idea of a compromise in the Davis instance? Do you just prefer to post meaningless rants about religiosity on an internet forum instead?
 R_Sole
Joined: 9/10/2015
Msg: 137
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 6:39:54 AM
I am curious. Did Davis continue to break the law when she returned to work or is she still refusing to give out licences?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 138
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 6:42:08 AM
Today she refuses but isn't stopping anyone else.
 R_Sole
Joined: 9/10/2015
Msg: 139
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 7:07:16 AM

Today she refuses but isn't stopping anyone else.

Wow. Then she ought to be impeached. This is ridiculous. No where else can people cherry pick what part of their job they will do.
Can you imagine if firemen refused to put out fires at houses of gay people, etc. This woman has no place working in a public service job.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 140
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 7:50:43 AM
Is there a religious tenet about fire and gay people?

I am sure that she would take any document a gay person would file or issue them a fishing license, or register an auto. Most of her job does not involve the marriage business. Like the baker who would sell gays cupcakes, no problem.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 141
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 8:37:49 AM
Here you go Dee, this example's real:

A Muslim flight attendant says she was suspended by ExpressJet for refusing to serve alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith.

In a bid to get her job back, Charee Stanley filed a discrimination complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission on Tuesday for the revocation of a reasonable religious accommodation.

She wants to do her job without serving alcohol in accordance with her Islamic faith -- just as she was doing before her suspension, her lawyer said....

"It was at the direction of the airlines that she began coordinating with the other flight attendant on duty so that when a passenger requested alcohol, the other flight attendant would accommodate that request," Masri said. "We know that this arrangement has worked beautifully and without incident and that it hasn't caused any undue burden on the airline. After all, it was the suggestion of the airline."

It seemed to be working out until another flight attendant filed a complaint against Stanley on August 2 claiming she was not fulfilling her duties by refusing to serve alcohol, Masri said. The employee complaint also said Stanley had a book with "foreign writings" and wore a headdress.

On August 25, the airline sent a letter to Stanley informing her that it was revoking its religious accommodation to exclude her from service of alcohol and placing her on administrative leave....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html

How do you feel about accommodating the religious requirements of muslims too?

This woman refused alternative employment, because she "likes flying".
The airline only runs flights with one or two flight attendants.
She obviously couldn't work as the single attendant,
and her "accommodation" only works if her colleague agreed to do extra work themselves. Seems one objected.

What's next..>?
If a "Scientologist" refuses to serve me, because he/she believes I'm a giant lizard, should that also be "accommodated"..?
Should "Pastafarian" policemen be allowed to dress as pirates once a year?

There are upwards of 4,000 different religions, world-wide. They all have different beliefs/requirements.
Should they ALL be "accommodated"..?
Here's just a few:
HTH

Abrahamic Religions

Bábísm
Bahá'í
Bahá'í Faith
Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
Islam
Kharijites
Nation of Islam
Shiite
Alawites
Ismailis
Jafari
Zaiddiyah
Ghulat including
Alevi / Bektashi
Ahl-e Haqq
Yazidi
Druze
Ahmadi
Sunni
Berailvi
Deobandi
Hanafi
Hanbali
Maliki
Mu'tazili
Shafi'i
Wahhabi
Sufism
Naqshbandi
Bektashi
Chishti
Mevlevi
Zikri
Judaism (see also: Jew; Hebrews)
Contemporary divisions
Karaite Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism
Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Judaism
Hassidic Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism
Reform Judaism
Conservative Judaism (Masorti)
Reconstructionist Judaism (arguably not a religion)
Humanistic Judaism (arguably not a religion)
Historical Sects
Hasmoneans
Essenes
Pharisees
Sadducees
Zealots
Sicarii
sects that believed Jesus was a prophet
Ebionites
Elkasites
Nazarenes
Crypto-Jews
Marranos
Conversos
Christianity (see List of Christian denominations)
Eastern Orthodoxy
Roman Catholicism
Oriental Orthodoxy (Monophysitism)
Nestorianism
Protestantism
Anabaptists
Anglicans
Baptists
Lutherans
Methodists
Pentecostals
Reformed
Calvinism
Presbyterian
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Unitarians
Waldensians
Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Community of Christ
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Seventh-day Adventist
Jehovah's Witnesses
Messianic Judaism (not actually Judaism but rather Jewish-rite Christianity)
Samaritans
Mandaeanists
Rastafarians
Black Hebrews
Hebrew Christians
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Dharmic religions
Religions with a concept of Dharma, also major religions of historical India

Hinduism (see also Contemporary Hindu movements)
Agama Hindu Dharma (Javanese Hinduism)
Shaivism
Shaktism
Smartism
Vaishnavism
Gaudiya Vaishnavism
ISKCON (Hare Krishna)
Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mission
Six major schools and movements of Hindu philosophy
Samkhya
Nyaya
Vaisheshika
Purva mimamsa
Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa)
Advaita Vedanta
Integral Yoga
Yoga
Ashtanga Yoga
Hatha yoga
Siddha Yoga
Tantric Yoga
Ayyavazhi
Shramana Religions
Buddhism (see Schools of Buddhism)
Mahayana
Nikaya schools (which have historically been called Hinayana in the West)
Theravada
Vajrayana (Tantric Buddhism)
Jainism
Digambara
Shvetambara
Panth Religions
Sikhism
Kabir Panth
Dadu Panth
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Other revealed religions
Believers in one God, also called classical monotheism, who follow an Indo-European culture of belief, philosophy and angelology.

Zoroastrianism
Magus (see Three Wise Men)
Gnosticism
Basilidians
Bogomils
Borborites
Cainites
Carpocratians
Cathars
Marcionism (not entirely Gnostic)
Ophites
Valentinians (see Valentinius)
Hinduism (Vaishnavism)
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Indigenous religions
The orally transmitted canon of indigenous peoples, many involving some variant of animism and many defunct

African religions
Akamba mythology
Akan mythology
Ashanti mythology
Bushongo mythology
Bwiti
Dahomey mythology
Dinka mythology
Efik mythology
Egyptian mythology
Ibo mythology
Isoko mythology
Khoikhoi mythology
Lotuko mythology
Lugbara mythology
Pygmy mythology
Tumbuka mythology
Yoruba mythology
Zulu mythology
African religions in the New World
Kumina
Obeah
Santería (Lukumi)
Vodou
Candomblé
Macumba
Umbanda and Quimbanda
Xango
European religions
Anglo-Saxon mythology
Basque mythology
Druidry (Celtic Religion)
Finnish mythology
Germanic paganism
Norse mythology
Greek religion
Greek mythology
Mystery religions
Eleusinian Mysteries
Mithraism
Pythagoreanism
Roman religion
Roman mythology
Slavic mythology
Asian religions
Babylonian and Assyrian religion
Babylonian mythology
Chaldean mythology
Sumerian mythology
Bön (Indigenous Tibetan belief)
Chinese mythology
Shinto
Oomoto
Tengrism (Indigenous Mongol, Tartar & Kazakh belief)
Yezidis (Modified indigenous Kurdish belief)
Native American religions
Abenaki mythology
Aztec mythology
Blackfoot mythology
Chippewa mythology
Creek mythology
Crow mythology
Guarani mythology
Haida mythology
Ho-Chunk mythology
Huron mythology
Inuit mythology
Iroquois mythology
Kwakiutl mythology
Lakota mythology
Lenape mythology
Navaho mythology
Nootka mythology
Pawnee mythology
Salish mythology
Selk'nam religion
Seneca mythology
Tsimshian mythology
Ute mythology
Zuni mythology
Oceanic religions
Australian Aboriginal mythology
Balinese mythology
Maori mythology
Modekngei (Republic of Palau)
Nauruan indigenous religion
Polynesian mythology
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Neopagan or revival religions
Modern religions seeking to recreate indigenous, usually pre-Christian, beliefs and practices

Church of All Worlds
Dievturiba
Germanic Neopaganism also called Ásatrú or Odinism
Hellenic polytheism (modern revivalist forms)
Judeo-Paganism
Maausk
Neo-druidism
Summum
Taarausk
Wicca
Alexandrian Wicca
Dianic Wicca (Feminist Wicca)
Gardnerian Wicca
Faery Wicca
Feri Tradition
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Non-revealed religions
Philosophies not transmitted by a divine prophet

Carvaka
Confucianism
Deism
Fellowship of Reason
Spiritual Humanism
Mohism
Taoism
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Left-Hand Path religions
Faiths teaching that the ultimate goal is separating consciousness from the universe, rather than being absorbed by it

Dragon Rouge
Satanism
LaVeyan Satanism
Church of Satan
Order of Nine Angles
Setianism also spelled Sethianism
Temple of Set
The Storm
Quimbanda
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Syncretic religions
Faiths created from blending earlier religions or that consider all or some religions to be essentially the same

Arès Pilgrim Movement
Cao Dai
Falun Dafa (Falun Gong)
Huna
Konkokyo
Law of One
Manichaeism
Unitarian Universalism
Universal Life Church
Tenrikyo
Theosophy
Seicho-No-Ie
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Entheogen religions
Religions based around divinely inspiring substances

Ayahuasca-based beliefs
Church of the Universe (marijuana sacrament)
Peyotism
THC Ministry
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New religious movements
See List of new religious movements for a list based on other sources

See hereunder for religions founded since 1850 with small followings

Monotheistic NRMs

Direct Worship of the Actual God
Indigenous NRM's

Burkhanism
Cargo cults
Ghost Dance
Native American Church
African Diaspora / Latin American NRM's

Rastafari movement
Umbanda
Candomble
Kardecist Spiritism
Hindu-oriented NRM's

Sai Baba/Sathya Sai Organisation
Hare Krishna
Transcendental Meditation
Sant Mat
Swaminarayan
Vedanta Society
Osho/Rajneeshism
Meher Baba (actually a Zoroastrian)
Oneness University
Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
Eckankar
NRM's with Islamic Roots

Subud
Ahmadi
Dances of Universal Peace
Nation of Islam (Black Muslims)
Christian-oriented NRM's

Unification Church
Jesus People
Children of God
People's Temple
Pentecostalism
Holiness movement
Iglesia ni Cristo
Buddhist-oriented NRM's

Soka Gakkai
Won Buddhism
Hoa Hao
Friends of the Western Buddhist Order
Chinese-oriented NRM's

Way of Former Heaven sects, including
I-Kuan Tao ("Way of Unity"),
T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness"),
Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue"),
Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao"),
Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society").
Falun Gong ("Dharma Wheel Work," a qigong meditation group)
Japanese-oriented NRM's

Tenrikyo
Seicho no Ie
Johrei (Johrei Movement - Sekai Kyusei Kyo Izunome Kyodan)
Reiki
Oomoto
Soka Gakkai
Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
Korean-oriented NRM's

Chondogyo
Jeung San Do
Juche (The personality cult of North Korean leaders)
Unification Church
Vietnamese-oriented NRM's

Caodaism
Hoa Hao
Malaysian-Oriented NRM's

Sky Kingdom
Western Magical / Esoteric Groups

Kardecist Spiritism
Theosophy
Agni Yoga
Anthroposophy
Arcane School
Association for Research and Enlightenment
Church Universal and Triumphant
Golden Dawn
Gurdjieff Work
AMORC
Spiritualism
Eckankar
Thelema
Argenteum Astrum
Fraternitas Saturni
Ordo Templi Orientis
Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis
Process Church of the Final Judgement
Order of the Solar Temple
White Supremacist Religions

Church of Jesus Christ Christian
World Church of the Creator (Creativity Movement)
Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan [1]
Black Supremacist Religions

Nuwaubianism
Alien-based religions

The Aetherius Society [2]
Raelism
Scientology
Church of Scientology
Free Zone
Urantia, Book of
Universe people
Other NRM's

Antoinism
Breatharianism (Air cult)
Brianism
Elan Vital
Faithists of Kosmon
Virus, The Church of
Tony Samara
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Parody or mock religions
Groups that poke fun at other religions or religion in general

Discordianism
Church of the SubGenius (The cult of Bob Dobbs)
Church of Jesus Christ Elvis
Fictional religions turned Parody
Bokononism
Jedi census movement
Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pastafarianism)
Invisible Pink Unicorn
Kibology
Landover Baptist Church
Church of Emacs
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Fictional religions
See List of fictional religions

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Forms of religion or alternative beliefs
Agnosticism
Animism
Atheism
Ditheism (Dualism)
Henotheism
Monolatrism
Humanism
Secular Humanism
Kathenotheism
Maltheism
Monism
Monotheism
Panentheism
Pantheism
Cosmotheism
Polytheism
Shamanism
Suitheism
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Nonsectarian and trans-sectarian religious movements and practices
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Esotericism
Alchemy
Anthroposophy
Esoteric Christianity
Freemasonry
Gnosticism
Kabbalah
Occultism
Rosicrucian
Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis
Confraternity of the Rose Cross
Rosicrucian Fellowship
Surat Shabda Yoga
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Mysticism
Christian mysticism
Gnosticism
Hindu mysticism
Tantra
Ananda Marga Tantra-Yoga
Yoga
Bhakti
Vedanta
Kabbalah (also part of Judaism)
Kabbalah Centre
Martinism
Merkabah (also part of Judaism)
Meditation
Spirituality
Sufism
Theosophy
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Magic (religion)
Astrology
Divination
Prophecy
Exorcism
Faith healing
Feng Shui
Hoodoo (Rootwork)
New Orleans Voodoo
Magick
Chaos magick
Enochian Magic
Grimoire magick
Goetic magick
Miracles
Pow-wow
Seid (shamanic magic)
Vaastu Shastra (Hinduism)
Witchcraft
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Ritualism
Prayer
Sacrifice
Animal sacrifice
Human sacrifice
Worship
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Organizations promoting Ecumenism
Dances of Universal Peace
Inter-religious Organisations
etc etc
 funchesf
Joined: 6/27/2014
Msg: 142
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 8:56:00 AM
all those different religion is why the Lord Almighty being Omniscient knew this would happen and that's why he made Jews the chosen people, makes his job a whole lot easier on Judgement Day, just toss everyone that's not Jewish or not a Trekkie into the Lake of Fire
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 143
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Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 10:36:36 AM
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In all fairness, not very many of those religions want anything to do with that "Land of milk & honey" ... just the "X-tians".

You know, they're the ones who have so much tolerance and so-called love for all of humankind ... don't cha know?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 144
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 10:41:42 AM
No, at least according to the Christian Bible, only 144,000 get in.

So I'm thinking it's already full. Even if it's not the odds that I'll make the cut even if I fully convert and go to church every day are vanishingly small. I buy a lottery ticket once in a while, but I don't base all my planning around the odds of winning. And I've got a one in 18,000,000 shot there.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 145
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 10:53:51 AM
Cotter-Are you talking about the ones that carry a crucifix made by Smith and Wesson?
 4ms4me
Joined: 4/24/2010
Msg: 146
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Posted: 9/14/2015 1:05:27 PM

No, at least according to the Christian Bible, only 144,000 get in. So I'm thinking it's already full. Even if it's not the odds that I'll make the cut even if I fully convert and go to church every day are vanishingly small.


So, you may want to consider Islam. Islamic paradise gives you rivers of milk/honey/wine, plus the virgins, who are available for sex. (Muslims can't drink wine on earth, but apparently Allah wishes to make that up to them in paradise). Women get all the same benefits as men, except for the sex bit -- because, as everyone knows, women are not as horny as men; they do, however, get jewels and adornments which is what they really want. There appears to be no limit on the number of people paradise can accommodate, so no worries for you there.

For your Christian option, to be absolutely accurate, the 144,000 go to heaven; the rest of the blessed remain on earth - at least, that's the story I was given during my hard-core, fundamentalist Christian days. The Christians who go to Heaven get to sit at the right hand of God, and have no need of earthly things such as food/drink or sex. If you are one of the blessed remaining on earth, you'll get the food/drink, but still no sex since there's no longer any need to fill the earth, as we already have plenty of humans. But at least it offers gender-equality. :)
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 147
Should Davis, the Court Clerk, Be in Jail
Posted: 9/14/2015 2:20:23 PM

No, at least according to the Christian Bible, only 144,000 get in. So I'm thinking it's already full.


How many people have died since the beginning of time? Probably in the billions. And out of that, how many had some sort of Christian type of faith? Again, probably in the millions or higher. That would mean all of the seats in heaven have been a sellout for ages-hundreds or thousands of years ago. So what's the point of being religious if it doesn't get you anywhere when you croak?




So, you may want to consider Islam. Islamic paradise gives you rivers of milk/honey/wine, plus the virgins, who are available for sex.


Do they have a seating limit as well? Where do all these virgins come from? I always thought the main purpose of women in those countries that are extremely religious was to breed-have babies to carry on the religion for future generations. Is there a portion of women who are set aside to be virgins, and to service men when they die? When guys die, do they get to pick the best looking virgins, or are they assigned virgins ahead of time? I guess they don't have jealous wives in those countries. It actually sounds enticing not having to play games and not spend oodles of money to get a woman interested. But it's the on-earth, before death gig by participating in the religion that's the kicker.
 4ms4me
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^^^ It was just a light-hearted response to the message #153, based on conversations between my sister and myself comparing Islam to Christianity. So, all good questions ... no good answers here. :)

Actually, the only question I can remotely answer - based on the fundamentalist Xtian group I followed for a time is this one:

How many people have died since the beginning of time? Probably in the billions. And out of that, how many had some sort of Christian type of faith?

God knows what is in each person's heart, and they didn't necessarily have to be "Christian". Thus God is able to pick the 144,000 very special people, and these people are indeed, few and far between. As for the rest of the 'saved', the earth - properly managed and blessed by God - would be able to comfortably support even more people than currently live on the earth. Not to mention, 1000 years after the 'final battle', Satan would be let out of the void, for a final 'test' - those that failed and chose to follow him would then die, and that would be it. X number of people live forever on a perfectly restored earth, overseen by God and the 144,000 forever more unto eternity, Amen.

And this one:

When guys die, do they get to pick the best looking virgins, or are they assigned virgins ahead of time?

Just cause it's a kind of an interesting tidbit, these virgins are called "Hoors" (aka maiden). Anyway, these "Hoors" are all more beautiful than any woman on earth - so probably picking 'the best looking one' would be kind of moot. However, the Muslim wives/mothers who go to Paradise are made even more beautiful than the 'Hoors', if you can believe that, but they're only interested in trinkets, not sex, so too bad for the guys - they have to stick with the less beautiful virgins.

It's all very amuzing, eh?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 9/14/2015 3:09:23 PM
"When guys die, do they get to pick the best looking virgins, or are they assigned virgins ahead of time?

Just cause it's a kind of an interesting tidbit, these virgins are called "Hoors" (aka maiden). Anyway, these "Hoors" are all more beautiful than any woman on earth - so probably picking 'the best looking one' would be kind of moot. However, the Muslim wives/mothers who go to Paradise are made even more beautiful than the 'Hoors', if you can believe that, but they're only interested in trinkets, not sex, so too bad for the guys - they have to stick with the less beautiful virgins.

It's all very amuzing, eh?"

And here in Scotland we also use the word hoor.


hoor - Scottish to English

The English translation of "hoor" is
1. prostitute
2. slut
http://www.scotranslate.com/translate/scottish/hoor/1/2221#.VfdEX-BwZcs

And a geezer who sleeps with loads of lassies is usually called a 'hoor maister' by other lassies.

Fun fact of the day.
 deetristate
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Posted: 9/14/2015 4:40:07 PM
Is that you, Vlad? Handsome.

Anyway,

I have only heard a FEW Jehovah's witnesses talk about the 144000. No other group that I know of believes that.

But open to information that anyone may have.

(Let's see. Her office is issuing licenses and she is not interferrng so I have to come up with something to bash Christianity).
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