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 ClooneysTutor
Joined: 10/14/2015
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal lobotomy.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 127
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Posted: 11/7/2015 10:19:06 AM
Depends on the bottle!
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 128
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Posted: 11/7/2015 10:28:41 AM
Only cause I find you ranting and finger pointing somewhat amusing, especially during the heavy rains.


Who else is doing the defining?


Okay, I'll bite, so how do you define yourself? One of those "surplus guys". One of those guys that is out in the cold all by himself without nary a female around to make him "feel" worthy? And do you carry the tude that you have because not a female feels you are worthy to hang around with?

If you want to get personal, and start asking questions of how my ex and I split, and dealt with the upbringing of our daughter during and after the split, I'll give you one, really quick and simple reply. We dealt with it like "adults". Only a fool would let a court decide how their child should be raised. To repeat, a fool. And if this fool replies that the "woman" made him go to court, then the fool probably made a very bad choice of whom to have children with.


So you have a child support judgement for - lets say having 3 children - that results in 70% of your take home pay extracted from you? That makes you automatically homeless and a bench warrant for your arrest for not being able to cough up the loot to support your kids, your eX, her new partner, their cruise ship vacations, their new house and car, ... Well? Are you?


This is NOT common. This is a rant from someone that is trying to get other not so bright men to jump a sinking ship with him. A divorced man is NOT a "victim" unless he makes himself one. Again, another "woe is me", look at what my ex (and her new boyfriend/husband) have done to ME!!!!!! Or, are you blaming the courts? Or, who are YOU "blaming"?????

Somebody else.

Sorry, I almost forgot.

Think you're getting phucked over?????

Quit bending over.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 129
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Posted: 11/7/2015 11:02:34 AM
In your delusional rant you claim it is about me. I have a pretty good life. I race motorcycles, coach soccer, work in an interesting field, and have a long list of accomplishments. Am I lonely though? Yes, a bit. I do not have a women because only the lowest quality women are the only ones left in my dating market, and even those think themselves the queen of Sheba. I have chosen to pass on that. It does sadden me but I know it is something I can not change and I know it is not my fault. But you think it is me that is one of the 40,000? No, if it was I would be dead and unable to type. See, is the logic setting in yet?

But because I am not selfish, self-righteous, finger pointer I can and do work with others who need help. I do not try to insult them as you have (me or the people I am trying to help) or dismiss the real males victims of divorce plunder. So you got through a divorce relatively unscathed? Well bully for you! Other men have not. And you call them fools! How callus.

I think you are intellectually unable to see that I am an advocate for the people you call "bending over" and using vulgar toilet language. I really must have touched a nerve? Me, a compassionate do-gooder. You, a hater of compassionate do-gooders. You need help Bro! Maybe you need to be on pills or a "bottle in front of me" to make it through to make it through life? Me, I lead a relatively sober life (do do like whiskey but these days all it does is put me to sleep) and I keep busy with productive things and really fun things. Sober up and come join me. YOU WILL HAVE FUN! And along the way you might find a heart.
 sailinges
Joined: 11/3/2015
Msg: 130
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Posted: 11/7/2015 11:29:10 AM
VM, apparently Walt is of the mindset that everybody is totally responsible for their lot in life and must pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. This is a very common theme among the right, and there is some merit to the attitude, except those pulling the ladder up after themselves generally feel this way because they already have what they want. I can't tell you how many of my well health insured friends deplore health coverage for all as some sort of socialistic program, and socialism in their minds is a terrible thing.

Be proud of what you do and yes, there are tons of low quality women out there. There are also high quality women out there. You just have to find them and go on about your life until you do. Good luck.
 HippyDippyWeatherman
Joined: 3/20/2008
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Posted: 11/8/2015 4:29:46 PM
I think they are at car auctions bidding up the prices of restored VW bugs and buses.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 132
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Posted: 11/8/2015 5:18:32 PM
Holy Wow! You are so right. I remembered seeing that series 1 Bus in Barrett-Jackson - the pop-top from a few years ago. It started at something like $40k and finished over $200K. I was hooting and howlering and thinking it was cool but who are these folks? Now we know!
 pinedrop
Joined: 7/29/2015
Msg: 133
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Posted: 11/8/2015 10:08:38 PM
Where are all the aging Stoners?

I am not sure where they all are. There sure are a lot moving to Oregon right now I do know that. It may be the kind of boom we don't need but time will tell. The western part of the state is liberal while the eastern part is small town conservatives mainly.

VMin glad you are back as you always introduce interesting ideas even if they are not the most popular.

Jon Birger, date onomics, how dating became a lopsided numbers game, and his interview with Stephan Molyneux, was an interesting listen to particularly after reading your post. You are right in your assessment that men and women who have been unable yet desire to satisfactorily find a mate tend to internalize the loss as personal failure when most often the truth is a function demographic disparities. For example, China's one child law produced a ratio of 4 men for every 3 women. This disparity played a large part in economic development as men worked to acquire the basic, job, car, house whatever it took to attract a mate and yet each was faced with the inevitable shortage of available women.
An expert trout fisherman who fishes in a stream with no fish is not a failure he is just in the wrong steam.
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 134
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Posted: 11/9/2015 1:35:32 PM

We have a surplus of males compared to females for populations under 65 years old - world wide. Overall an estimated 80 million Surplus Men - world wide.


This figure is not quite accurate. Overall world population is about even between men and women, what scues the number is China. Because they had that one child law, many Chinese would abort if it was a girl and only kept the males. So, even if they imported females, there's a great number of male Chinese that will never have a female partner.

Also since women tend to live longer, by the time you look at the population past 65 there are more females than males. So if you are a male past your 50's in good shape, there practically rains women. And again, if you're in shape, good health, do not drink like a fish, you can pick rather attractive women that are also in shape and are healthy.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 135
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:39:36 PM
More boys are born relative to females. That is why there are more males to females in every culture that does not experience conventional warfare. It is only in advanced countries where women live longer. 107 male births to 100 female births in world average. But as you say if you want to date Granny when it is raining elderly women in the West.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 136
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:45:39 PM
http://www.census.gov/popclock/

Here is a "age tree" between males and females. Male overpop flips to female overpop around 60-65 years old.

Thanks Volcano for the link!
 sailinges
Joined: 11/3/2015
Msg: 137
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:49:07 PM
^ ^^^^ yea but are you wanting to go out with most of those 60 year old women just because you are sixty?
Take a stroll through a shopping mall, a train station, an art festival . . . and tell me how many fit, attractive, sixty year old women you see?

Bottom line. . . if you wait until you are sixty to be more competitive . . . you had nothing going for you when you were younger.
 c_c_again
Joined: 11/6/2015
Msg: 138
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Posted: 11/9/2015 2:59:35 PM

Bottom line. . . if you wait until you are sixty to be more competitive . . . you had nothing going for you when you were younger.


Truth be known, I don't know if having anything going for yourself when younger makes it any easier. I certainly know it's more frustrating. :/
 oneofzillion
Joined: 6/17/2015
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Posted: 11/9/2015 4:01:53 PM
One just became Prime Minister of Canada. The President has also admitted to smoking some weed.

Perhaps there is hope for the future.
 pinedrop
Joined: 7/29/2015
Msg: 140
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Posted: 11/9/2015 5:33:21 PM
What is interesting in the theory expressed by Berger, in date onomics is that he states that there is a oversupply of
"college educated women" in the dating world. Since 1990 women have out paced men and boys in the pursuit of higher education. The situation is such that the ratio is 4 degreed women for every 3 college degreed men. Since hypergamy or the desire to marry upwards socially plays a role the logic is that these college educated women are in surplus relative to the number of men with advanced degrees. Men on the one hand are more likely to date the attractive waitress than degreed women would do in similar circumstances.

Maybe rather sooner than later we will see more degreed women willing to date the local plumber, or other blue collar men. I think the point is that there are many streams in which to fish. This one stream seems to favor us men.

BTW i finally turned 65 and so i suppose the females should be lining up at the gate i just haven't noticed it yet.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 141
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Posted: 11/9/2015 7:43:53 PM
Thank you Pine Drop for welcoming me back and your polite analytical inquiry. My response is it has always been: there are more boys born than girls!!! And that has been the case through out history. And it is more than just China and India, EVEN college programs and such. There has always been this. Military theory, Biblical hoopla, speaks to this ... So many people and so many times recognize the Surplus of boys/young men. The term "Infantry", as in war. These were boys - infants - sent out to kill and main each other, just to siphon off those "not needed little boys" ... Gee, I am having a real hard time typing right now. What was God thinking?!! What do I tell my son! Honor and Chivalry? ... But I want him to live in peace as with everyone else ... in a better world .. those haters and hypocrites, and warmongers, perpetual war?, F'** !! .. what do I tell my son? I am so sorry son, I tried.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 142
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Posted: 11/10/2015 4:03:04 AM
VMinRVA95

Your description of the causes is perfect. I see so much loneliness and hopelessness and, as you said, divorce destroying lives, Then you have the "I am fine being alone" people touting it as the best way to be. They were probably loners all along. Generally, people need people.

The decision-makers tend to award the person ending the union.
(Walts- That scenerio is VERY common, especially where the man did not initiate the divorce)

I don't know what can be done about this. Some people have offered that the spread of the other extreme, like fundamentalism of non-christian religions (because christian religions have for the most part capitulated to worldliness and absence of morals in many areas) is the response or cure.

The people that I know who would be considered (remained) stoners tend to attend religious services more regularly than the average others, for some reason.

""spout "coffee mug" expressions""
Can I use that?

By the way, all of the photos of men on this page are quite handsome. Seems that you could just walk up to a woman on the street and meet someone. The man that I last met-that is how. He has a lot of points for assertiveness. ( Points - it is an expression)
 ohenryx
Joined: 3/12/2010
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Posted: 11/10/2015 1:20:32 PM

InnerGorilla
Also since women tend to live longer, by the time you look at the population past 65 there are more females than males. So if you are a male past your 50's in good shape, there practically rains women. And again, if you're in shape, good health, do not drink like a fish, you can pick rather attractive women that are also in shape and are healthy.

I will partly agree with the above statement(s). With exceptions, to be noted.

Item 1, “in shape”, the way it is used here, means “not overweight”. I would change that to say “attractive”, which is a more all encompassing term. That covers having good teeth (or dentures), decent grooming (bathing every day, wearing clean clothes), having a “presentable appearance”. Yes, women shouldn’t be pear shaped, men shouldn’t be 100 pounds overweight and not able to climb a flight of stairs. But you do not have to be “in shape”.

Item 2, I think this imbalance in the older dating population (more women over 55 looking for dates than men), is not about total numbers, but about the numbers who are still trying. Women are, by nature, more sociable than men. They want to date more than men do. Younger men are driven by the overwhelming desire to have sex, dating is the price they pay to achieve sex. Many older men have declining levels of testosterone, lowered sex drives, they just are not willing to put in the level of effort needed to achieve sex.


sailings
yea but are you wanting to go out with most of those 60 year old women just because you are sixty?
Take a stroll through a shopping mall, a train station, an art festival . . . and tell me how many fit, attractive, sixty year old women you see?

Enough, my friend. Actually, more than enough. And those women, the ones who are truly attractive, are so used to having men chase after them, they don’t understand why no men are chasing them now.

They could be dating much younger men. And some of them are, but not very many. Most of them are hung up on “I could never date someone young enough to be my son!” Abelian used to say, “If older women ever wise up to dating younger men, the older men are going to be in big trouble.” Every day I thank my lucky stars that hasn’t happened (yet).
 InnerGorilla
Joined: 4/1/2014
Msg: 144
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Posted: 11/10/2015 1:27:43 PM

Younger men are driven by the overwhelming desire to have sex, dating is the price they pay to achieve sex. Many older men have declining levels of testosterone, lowered sex drives, they just are not willing to put in the level of effort needed to achieve sex.


I don't know about this, my sex drive goes through the roof now that I am more advanced in years. The difference is that while I was younger there was so much that I did not know, about conquest, and about how to properly satisfy a woman that everything was practically a mental fantasy, while as an older person, it's just an action.

I agree with what you say about "shape." Being in shape for me 10 years ago was that I was able to complete in bike races. Now, it's simply being able to complete the group ride.
 Chromis1
Joined: 9/9/2015
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Posted: 11/10/2015 1:55:17 PM

So you have a child support judgement for - lets say having 3 children - that results in 70% of your take home pay extracted from you?


No. Probably closer to 40%. Try to be accurate.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 146
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Posted: 11/10/2015 2:24:47 PM
Here in Canada the formula is 15% of income per child. I think. Not sure what happens when you've got 5 or more kids, but I know there's a minimum amount a person paying is entitled to keep. Sort of above what would constitute hardship, so it's a bit flexible. There are examples where this doesn't happen, but that's the way it's supposed to work.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 147
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Posted: 11/10/2015 2:29:41 PM
"The flat percentage of the non-custodial parent's income that must be dedicated to child support is 25% percent for one child" Pulled that off a calculator site really quick.

I know the payment schedules "flatten" out with multiple children for income, but add the custodial child care costs (if she works) on top of the income based pay schedule and you get over 60% for three kids pretty easy.

Two guys in one of my support groups have variable incomes based on how well their business is going each year. Gee, it funny how the divorce occurs after they had a good year. The judgement is based on that year's high income and the next year business not so good - income reduced - 3 kids - her paying big $ for child care - 2/3 of his take home income. Granted they were both in the process of filing for an adjustment but one of the guys last I heard was big time in arrears.

The guy killed by the police officer in SC that ran, ran because of a bench warrant of non-payment. He was over 50% from what I read.
 VMinRVA95
Joined: 9/13/2014
Msg: 148
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Posted: 11/10/2015 2:36:20 PM
And there is a health care contribution per child. That and the child care costs are fixed cost per child on top of the income schedule. Income cost is a sliding scale. It is crazy what the non-custodial parent has to pay. Maybe that is the incentive for women to take the child and run. $$$
 halcyon_skies
Joined: 7/27/2015
Msg: 149
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Posted: 11/10/2015 4:10:55 PM


InnerGorilla
Also since women tend to live longer, by the time you look at the population past 65 there are more females than males. So if you are a male past your 50's in good shape, there practically rains women. And again, if you're in shape, good health, do not drink like a fish, you can pick rather attractive women that are also in shape and are healthy.


I will partly agree with the above statement(s). With exceptions, to be noted.

Item 1, “in shape”, the way it is used here, means “not overweight”. I would change that to say “attractive”, which is a more all encompassing term. That covers having good teeth (or dentures), decent grooming (bathing every day, wearing clean clothes), having a “presentable appearance”. Yes, women shouldn’t be pear shaped, men shouldn’t be 100 pounds overweight and not able to climb a flight of stairs. But you do not have to be “in shape”.


InnerGorilla is correct in his use of the term, "in shape". "Attractive" isn't descriptive enough. There are many out-of-shape men who consider themselves to be "attractive", even though they are quite overweight. When a woman is healthy and works hard to keep herself in good physical shape, and is seeking the same trait in a partner, "attractive" just isn't going to cut it---especially if having an active sex life is a priority to her.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
Msg: 150
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Posted: 11/10/2015 5:35:23 PM

There are many out-of-shape men who consider themselves to be "attractive", even though they are quite overweight. When a woman is healthy and works hard to keep herself in good physical shape, and is seeking the same trait in a partner, "attractive" just isn't going to cut it---especially if having an active sex life is a priority to her.


Here's a thought. Why not eliminate the words "man/woman" and replace with "person" and see how much your words will read, and actually be accepted?

As in, how do you think this would read to some of girls out there.....

"" especially if having an active sex life is a priority to HIM.""

Oh, just think what we would we read if any man would type this.
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