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 Stellan77
Joined: 2/8/2016
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LADIES - A Question of Height...Page 15 of 16    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16)
There are health benefits associated with being short. A study showed that men who stood less than 5'8 lived to an average age of 82, while those over 6'0 lived to 73. This is because a gene that is associated with longevity also causes shortness.
 showboatsupreme
Joined: 1/25/2016
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Posted: 2/27/2016 9:17:26 PM
It would appear that the quantity of sex at a younger age takes its toll on the heart.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 359
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Posted: 2/28/2016 9:03:50 AM

There are health benefits associated with being short. A study showed that men who stood less than 5'8 lived to an average age of 82, while those over 6'0 lived to 73. This is because a gene that is associated with longevity also causes shortness.


Who does a study that compares people's height to their life span? There's nothing that could be done about it, so what's the point? Ir's like comparing eye color or hair color to life span. It was probably done by a short guy who was constantly rejected by women because of his lack of stature. And I don't buy the theory that a gene causes both shortness and a long life, and tall people have genes that cause a shorter life span. I think life span is associated with a person's environment, life style and family medical history more than anything else.
 Stellan77
Joined: 2/8/2016
Msg: 360
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Posted: 2/28/2016 10:47:01 AM
^^^ Dragon Bytes mentioned this before. He will be here to discuss this.
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 2/28/2016 11:13:18 AM
^^^ Too true.


Who does a study that compares people's height to their life span? There's nothing that could be done about it, so what's the point?


The point of the study was to look at people that had a naturally long life span. They wanted to discover why, and maybe they could use that information to help all people.

It was found out that the FOXO3 resulted in people with longer life spans. The gene is also linked to human body size. The study was divided between those that were 5.2 or shorter, and 5.4 or taller. They found a direct correlation between body size and longevity.

Scientist wanted to see what genes controlled longevity, and see if it is possible to take this knowledge and apply it to everyone.

(You might as well ask why study the universe or distant stars, or even our own sun. It isn't like we can control the sun or can travel to these far off places. Or why study male height and dating, it isn't like it's practical to become taller. We study things to gain knowledge, it's why we are the dominate species. )

A side issues, in the near future people will be able to select genes in their offspring, scientist were worried that many would select for taller height with unintended consequence like increased cancer or short lifespans. It's extremely dangerous to tinker with one gene and try and to predict the overall results.

BTW, it's now known that at least 400 separate genes influence height. You can google fox03 and decide for yourself if it means anything.
 crook_catcher
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 362
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Posted: 2/28/2016 11:17:48 AM
There have been studies that said the exact opposite.

Consensus appears to be that regardless of height that genetics, health and lifestyle are the primary factors in determining a natural life span.

I found it interesting that one of those studies showed that the majority of tall men were happier than short men, not all but a majority. I can see how that's accurate just from the sampling on these forums. :) ymmv.
 Ouija2025
Joined: 6/11/2014
Msg: 363
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Posted: 2/28/2016 11:34:48 AM
hmm, according to this recent research
Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.
Tall people live, and have always lived longer.
Go tall people!
 Stellan77
Joined: 2/8/2016
Msg: 364
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Posted: 2/28/2016 11:54:00 AM
^^^ What is this? A competition? If that is the case how do explain the extremely long-lived Japanese people who are notoriously short of stature?
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 2/28/2016 2:16:41 PM

hmm, according to this recent research
Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.
Tall people live, and have always lived longer.
Go tall people!


I have seen that also. They analyzed old skeletons and old height data from before WWII to show that taller people lived longer. They believe that was because until recent history, food was in constant short supply and those that ate more and grew taller were healthier than the sickly shorter people.

It's also well known that during famines and depressions, average height shrinks. Because of shortage of good nutrition.

To be balanced, other studies show taller people make more money, have more children and marry at an earlier age.

BTW, the maximum age hasn't increased, average longevity has increased. Because fewer people are dying in childbirth and dying before the age of 40. From famines, wars and diseases, most of which no longer kill people at an early age.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
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Posted: 2/28/2016 3:29:42 PM

If that is the case how do explain the extremely long-lived Japanese people who are notoriously short of stature?


hmm, possibly diet plays a role? fish & rice better then Mickey D's ? hahaha

was going to ask "Where" this study was conducted, did it include many genetic types, nationalities races.

there "Could be" a genetic marker not directly related to stature, but both that & longevity related to some unknown factor
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
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Posted: 2/28/2016 3:41:38 PM

If that is the case how do explain the extremely long-lived Japanese people who are notoriously short of stature?

When was the last time you saw a nursing home or senior's residence for midgets?
 Ouija2025
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Posted: 2/28/2016 6:17:54 PM
a study conducted in an region known for shorter Men, will of course net you results that shorter Men live longer.
But basically that study was skewed.
Besides, they said men under 5 2 lived longer
Next up - Men who never pay for dates live to be 240/
 sundownertoo
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 369
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Posted: 2/28/2016 6:35:17 PM
^^^. The guys who never pay may not live longer but they have more retirement income and are happier because they have pets. :-)

I think anyone can find a study to back up whatever opinion they have. My grandmother was 5'2" and died at 103 years old. Will I live that long, I don't know but my father is well on his way at 86 and he's 5'5".

As for tall live longer - what about weight factored in? Tall and slim vs tall and medium vs tall and large.
 Stellan77
Joined: 2/8/2016
Msg: 370
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Posted: 2/28/2016 6:55:28 PM
I worked in a nursing home, and I didn't see too many tall people there. But then again, people shrink as they get older. We live in a heighist society where taller people make more money and get more respect. Compared to us, the Japanese don't seem to be that concerned with height - just saying.


Next up - Men who never pay for dates live to be 240/


After that, women who don't pay after 10 dates live to be 300.
 Whatsamattababy
Joined: 12/24/2015
Msg: 371
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Posted: 2/28/2016 10:18:17 PM

As for tall live longer - what about weight factored in? Tall and slim vs tall and medium vs tall and large.


It's all very well to debate about the relative benefits of being short versus being fat. But WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?? I'll tell you where it is. It's right here:

Nobody likes short people...

Fat bottom girls, they make the rocking world go 'round.
 LetitiaLeGrande
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Posted: 2/28/2016 11:36:51 PM
I can guess who wears the pants in that relationship, stellan77. How did it work out by the way?
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 2/29/2016 7:18:19 AM

When was the last time you saw a nursing home or senior's residence for midgets?


Ha, obviously you have never heard of the Robert Wadlow nursing home!

I wouldn't worry about this longevity thing, it's not likely to affect anyone until after the age of 80. Not too many people even want to live to 100.

In a related note, social security records indicate millions of people are over the age of 112! (Actually, 6.5 million Americans!!)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/03/10/thousands-of-u-s-workers-older-than-100-that-might-be-social-security-fraud/
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
Msg: 374
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Posted: 3/18/2016 7:07:49 PM

I'm not complaining when their profile rules me out. Actually, if you knew how to read, most of my issues AREN'T ABOUT ME, IT'S ABOUT THE PRINCIPAL OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

What do I have issues with on here? Not looking for a debate, just stating my stance on things because people like you exist who have to be confrontational about EVERYTHING. Save any arguing for any threads about these things.

The paying with coupons issue: I don't use coupons. I'm arguing against the idiotic judging someone based on that, to where it's just somethign that you're using as an excuse to not date the guy, or it's like me and a few people have said, that it's not about how stable you are with money and your living, it's not about if you can buy her things, it's about how much you can spend on her.

Who pays: Someone capable of thinking would see that my issue is the idea that because she's the girl she's entitled to a free ride on as many first dates as she wants. Somewhere that I've tried to make clear, I will pay every single time for my girlfriend, with no complaints, I really don't mind it, but some stranger I'm just meeting for the first time who will likely never talk to me again (which I just accept as a part of dating today), why does she automatically deserve to be treated? She's not my girlfriend, she's not even my friend, what do I owe her?

Have to have a car: I have a car and a motorcycle, so that's covered. But it's actually a common thing that you see this from people who don't drive themselves.

Can't live with family: I have my own apartment, with plans on getting my first mortgage within the next 5 years. Another places that commonly hypocritical. Where you can't live with family, because the other person does.

Have to be 5'10: I make that cut. I'm just curious about why exactly 5'10 and 6'1? Where do these 2 exact heights come from?

Have to make good money: while I make less in exchange for getting more time at home, a $60k/year job is literally only a phone call away, so I'm covered there, trucking is great for that one.

Confidence: I never doubt my ability to get dates, I'll admit finding something more long term isn't going very well, but it goes both ways, there's just as many girls that I end up not into as girls who end up not being into me. But I also have common sense and understand that someone who is just continually rejected isn't going to be very confident on his ability to get dates. You don't fail your way to confidence. If you keep jumping off your roof and flapping your arms, you're not going to keep becoming more and more sure that the next time you do it, you're going to fly.

Standards: my opinion is that if you can't fit your own, you don't get to make those demands in other people. I believe in not being a hypocrite.

OLD as a business: I've researched this. I've put a lot of serious thought into starting up a site, but I kind of missed the chance to do it without some really creative niche to it. It's just reality, these sites are intentionally designed for you to not be successful. It doesn't mean that everyone fails, it just means that the odds are made to be against you, while conditioning you to make your first date/meet go as blandly as possible. Do you honestly think Marcus cares if any of us get married to someone we meet on here? As long as there's enough success stories to give you hope, you're going to come here and pay. POF exists to generate a paycheck.

The people on dating sites: We're not perfect, none of us are. We also didn't success our way to OLD. Some of us are using it as a crutch, which is a whole different issue, but most of us are here because we just weren't successful enough offline. If getting a date is as easy as just going to a bar and talking to someone, why would you be here? But we refuse to accept our downfalls, but demand everyone else does so with their own. But then, we come here expecting to find the type of person who wouldn't go to a dating site. Someone that's dripping with confidence, is the textbook definition of attractive, they're probably married by now. What are you going to find here? As a guy, you're pretty much going to find single mothers who have made a lot of bad choices in their past. Some are looking for someone to take care of them, while some finally grew up, and some are just done with the bs and want a decent person. But the popular cheerleader from high school, she's not going to be here. So when I'm here, I come with that realistic expectation.

Attraction: I invested a few years in studying psychology. While I'm not huge on it anymore, it's still an interest. I like knowing how people work, hence the question that caused you to be a**** I just personally disagree that physical attraction is as critical as people claim. Millions of examples of the exact opposite are happily married right now and having sex regularly, and enjoying it. There's a lot more than getting a boner behind a sexual attraction to someone. There's been tons of studies that show that an emotional attraction does commonly cause a sexual attraction. I also don't see dating as a fashion accessory. I'd rather have a girl who I want to spend all my time with than a girl that can be a model. Having both would be great, but it's not about wild sex all the time anymore, I want a family, so my focus is on the quality of person, not what she looks like... which is a pretty common way of thinking when you're looking for someone that can be that serious... Being hot kind of takes back seat to the quality of person.

Responding: You don't want to talk to me, fine. I don't care. But the point is kind of to talk to people. When you take on that approach of being overly selective, it kind of defeats the purpose of coming to this site. Have standards, but if you only answer 1 out of every 20 messages you get, you're not exactly going to find anyone. But that's your choice. Just don't expect people to know what was going on in your head. The whole "silence is an answer" is just bs. Silence is just for cowards that are afraid of confrontation, yet think they should be dating. Most guys will ASSUME that your silence meant your not interested, but to expect every guy to make that same assumption is dumb. Why did you get a follow-up email? Probably because there's a huge list of other reasons that he could have not gotten a response from you, that without saying so, nobody knows what you're thinking. Humans haven't mastered telepathy yet. And disappearing mid-conversation, same thing. If you can't tell some stranger on the internet that you're not interested, how are you going to address any issues at all with someone that you're actually dating? But there's one common argument for not answering that brings up the next one:

Harassing messages: I don't condone this at all. Unless you start it, then it's only fair that the other person says whatever they want back and you have to deal with that fact. Don't be a terrible person if you're not willing to get that same treatment back. But online, we also have this crazy superpower where we can just stop reading the message, or never open it at all. But you don't get to play victim that way.

The "nice guy:" This one is just fun. The same people who complain that they can never find a nice guy are claiming that the guys who act nice are really some jerk trying to get laid. That anyone who says they're nice are really jerks. Or if you're not a****to people, then you just let everyone walk all over and never stand up for yourself.

Now, again, am I allowed to just be curious about why the arbitrary height of exactly 5'10 is so common, and want to know what the significance of that exact height is?


holy... damn that's a giant wall of text.

that's all I wanted to say. :)
 kidreason29
Joined: 9/25/2015
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Posted: 3/18/2016 7:09:28 PM

I worked in a nursing home, and I didn't see too many tall people there. But then again, people shrink as they get older. We live in a heighist society where taller people make more money and get more respect. Compared to us, the Japanese don't seem to be that concerned with height - just saying.


not just heightism, but racism, athleticism, lookism, ageism... basically 'attractivism'
 norwegianguy456
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Posted: 3/18/2016 8:28:52 PM

The paying with coupons issue: I don't use coupons. I'm arguing against the idiotic judging someone based on that ..... it's not about if you can buy her things, it's about how much you can spend on her.

I think the coupon acceptance/dislike is the pathway to the who-pays issue. In the end, it's a "just because" taste issue, based on really nothing but baseless culture. Of course within one's own culture, it's falsely believed that there's no such thing as those - lol. A gal who gets turned off by that is going to get turned off the same way as him liking her to contribute, as she'll think he's "cheap" -- with knee-jerk, stereotypical rationalizations.

I will pay every single time for my girlfriend, with no complaints, I really don't mind it, but some stranger I'm just meeting for the first time who will likely never talk to me again (which I just accept as a part of dating today), why does she automatically deserve to be treated?

I would see it more the other way around. You're not going to be Asking your GF to go out with you, but on 1st/2nd dates, a guy will be more apt to ask if the girl would like to go out with him, with at least some good implication of Taking her out. Splitting the bills on the first couple handfuls of dates, then you paying for everything when she's your GF and you're not asking her out anymore due to it being a given (GF)?

Have to have a car: I have a car and a motorcycle, so that's covered. But it's actually a common thing that you see this from people who don't drive themselves.

Unless they're living in a big city like Chicago, if they can't even afford an $800 beater, and they're taking the bus in non-big cities and hitching rides, better hope he's barely old enough to drink. Otherwise, he's not very self sufficient and it's on the same level as living with the parents at 25+ yo.

Have to be 5'10: I make that cut. I'm just curious about why exactly 5'10 and 6'1? Where do these 2 exact heights come from?

5'10" is the average height of the white male in America. That's why you hear that a lot. It's not 5'9" or 5'8.5" as some may say. For the average height of a while male in America, it's 5'10".

But I also have common sense and understand that someone who is just continually rejected isn't going to be very confident on his ability to get dates. You don't fail your way to confidence. If you keep jumping off your roof and flapping your arms, you're not going to keep becoming more and more sure that the next time you do it, you're going to fly.

True. But with that tilted-scale of the dating arena that will help guys get too much of a lack of confidence (and too much confidence for some), in the end, it's understandable a gal wants a guy who appears confident -- and mostly at least Not Lacking confidence. I think the problem is when a gal sees C0ckiness and kind of a d!ck as the baseline for "confidence".

I just personally disagree that physical attraction is as critical as people claim

Depends in reference to what people claim. It is a Big Deal. It just isn't thought about much because it's the quickest/easiest thing to figure out, compared to other things. It can usually be done without thinking about it, giving the illusion that it's "not that big a deal".

Millions of examples of the exact opposite are happily married right now

But that doesn't mean unattractive+attractive. :) But, as a side note, polar opposites statistically don't attract well for stability. For core things, people gravitate toward those like them. Not matching socks BFF type, no. But race, demographic, etc.

There's been tons of studies that show that an emotional attraction does commonly cause a sexual attraction.

True, but the potential needs to be there. It's not going to cause a 10 to be attracted "in that way" to a 3. It's going to amplify the potential, and put the lesser person's looks in favorable lens (ie on some roids). But that's not going to turn a 3 into an 8. They needed to be flammable from the start, is my point.

I'd rather have a girl who I want to spend all my time with than a girl that can be a model. Having both would be great, but it's not about wild sex all the time anymore

But, looks to guys isn't about having wild sex all the time. In fact, guys will date hotter girls who are too sexually contained, because, well, "she's hot", unfortunately. After a while, many said guys will fight or walk from them and other guys will think "How can you be like that with That girl? How can you take her for granted?" Well, they weren't going out with her. He was doing so purely based on the hot-factor and over-applying it for an LTR.

Being hot kind of takes back seat to the quality of person.

True. But not attraction. They need to pass the attraction test, to be attractive to some degree, to even be considered as a "quality person to be dating", as the thought of dating them, thus, judging quality, won't come across their minds unless they think they're at least attractive to some degree.
 Coma_White
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Posted: 3/18/2016 10:52:46 PM

There's been tons of studies that show that an emotional attraction does commonly cause a sexual attraction.


Yeah, like when a guy calls an escort service. She shows up and he says "Baby, turn me on with a nice emotional connection please."
 xdatcali
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Posted: 3/20/2016 10:25:02 PM
OP, I'm not sure if you've had any success yet, but you likely will not.

In real life, women will give you a chance if you are short. Online, most won't. If you don't believe this, try making yourself 6 feet and see if you get more responses/initial messages. I guarantee you will. In fact, it will likely make you so disillusioned that you will not take OLD seriously anymore. This is okay because you're not going find top notch women on here. You're only going to find women that want to (and, ultimately, will) date out of their league.
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 3/21/2016 5:56:42 AM

Yeah, like when a guy calls an escort service. She shows up and he says "Baby, turn me on with a nice emotional connection please."


The girlfriend experience is growing in popularity in the USA. It's quite common in Thailand, so much so a significant number of men marry their "escort". As to whether this works out in the long term, the odds aren't in their favor, but some are successful with a LTR or marriage.
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The girlfriend experience (GFE) is a commercial experience that blurs the boundaries between a financial transaction and a romantic relationship. Within the sex industry, GFE is a common term for a sexual encounter in which both the escort and the john are willing to engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure and some degree of emotional intimacy.[1] The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional call girl or escort offers; it varies widely from person to person, however. There is a focus on not just having sex, but also having more of a comprehensive experience.[2] Within this particular realm of sex work, prostitutes embody a sense of authenticity in order to make the experience more pleasurable for their customer, as well as to make a more lucrative outcome for themselves. [3] If the sex worker is male, the service is called the boyfriend experience.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girlfriend_experience


OP, I'm not sure if you've had any success yet, but you likely will not.

In real life, women will give you a chance if you are short. Online, most won't.

Online, most won't. If you don't believe this, try making yourself 6 feet and see if you get more responses/initial messages. I guarantee you will.


How would you know? In reality , you have no idea of what you are talking about.

In real life, try making yourself 5.4 and she how many women give you a chance. But you can't experience that, now can you?

Being short helps weed out all the time wasters and shorter women that are shallow, I don't really want to date women that are significantly bigger than me. I don't think most women want that either.

The huge dating pool online more than makes up for those that reject you.

Of course, as a man if you are a shallow jerk, you better be at least 6 foot tall to have a chance with women OLD or IRL and you are doomed if you are a short shallow jerk.
 xdatcali
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Posted: 3/21/2016 3:45:47 PM

How would you know? In reality , you have no idea of what you are talking about.


I know more about it than my profile reflects.


In real life, try making yourself 5.4 and she how many women give you a chance. But you can't experience that, now can you?


At the risk of having my profile deleted, I actually am 5'6. So I know a bit about it. Oftentimes, I am among the shortest (or the shortest) man in any room.

I've had success with women IRL, but little-to-no-success online (to the point that I don't take it even remotely seriously as you can tell). IRL, I attract most women that I'm interested in.



Being short helps weed out all the time wasters and shorter women that are shallow, I don't really want to date women that are significantly bigger than me. I don't think most women want that either.


I've dated women taller than me. It didn't bother me, personally. Although I typically don't make a move on taller women due to the low success rate, I've had taller women chase me before.



The huge dating pool online more than makes up for those that reject you.


Real life works way better for me than online dating. Sure, I meet less women, but the ones IRL tend to be really attracted to me, while the ones online typically are not.

Also, I get WAY hotter girls IRL. It's not even close.



Of course, as a man if you are a shallow jerk, you better be at least 6 foot tall to have a chance with women OLD or IRL and you are doomed if you are a short shallow jerk.


This, I agree with. You generally (not always) can't make any mistakes as a short guy or you will lose the girl.
 dragonbytes
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Posted: 3/24/2016 7:58:33 AM

xdatcali At the risk of having my profile deleted, I actually am 5'6. So I know a bit about it. Oftentimes, I am among the shortest (or the shortest) man in any room.

I've had success with women IRL, but little-to-no-success online (to the point that I don't take it even remotely seriously as you can tell). IRL, I attract most women that I'm interested in.


I seem to have success either way, but online I can search world wide, which greatly increases my pool. And it's way more interesting to date that way.


dragonbytes Being short helps weed out all the time wasters and shorter women that are shallow, I don't really want to date women that are significantly bigger than me. I don't think most women want that either.



xdatcaliI've dated women taller than me. It didn't bother me, personally. Although I typically don't make a move on taller women due to the low success rate, I've had taller women chase me before.


I had a 10 year relationship with a woman that was 3 inches taller and 20-30 lbs heavier. I didn't really think about it for 5 years, but her being bigger wasn't ideal when we would cuddle. After her I had a relationship with someone 3 inches shorter and 50 lbs lighter, I preferred that from a purely physical POV.

My other comment was that being short has a not obvious benefit. The women that are attracted to me tend to be higher quality than average.


dragonbytes The huge dating pool online more than makes up for those that reject you.



xdatcaliReal life works way better for me than online dating. Sure, I meet less women, but the ones IRL tend to be really attracted to me, while the ones online typically are not.

Also, I get WAY hotter girls IRL. It's not even close.


It's good that you post your experience here, you are one of the few short men that has posted. I don't really know how "hot" anyone could consider the woman I have had a relationship with, it's hard for me to judge that.

I can't really say for sure about online vs real life. When I dated in real life, they didn't have the Internet. When I dated in the last 6 years, I only used online dating and not real life at all. So I can't do a side by side comparison.

So I am glad you posted your experience.
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