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 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 51
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Yes Jo van had the National Socialists of the 10,000 Year Reich, together with their helpers, aiders and abetters in virtually every other country, only finished the job they started.. There'd be no problem.. Only peace and light..is that your message?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 52
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/14/2016 9:43:01 AM
I really, really hate trying to discuss Israel.

There is a lot of antisemitism dressed up as criticism of Israel. So I kind of get why the charge of antisemitism is pulled out so quickly. On the other hand, Israel is a sovereign nation and should be the subject of scrutiny just like any other nation. When they do things like bomb a UN observation station, then Israel's actions should be criticized. Especially when over 90% of Israelis opposed the bombing of Lebanon.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 53
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/14/2016 11:10:17 AM

Yes Jo van had the National Socialists of the 10,000 Year Reich, together with their helpers, aiders and abetters in virtually every other country, only finished the job they started.. There'd be no problem.. Only peace and light..is that your message?

As every post I've made so far has questioned the whole notion of "jewish", along with the whole (mistaken) paradigm of "race", I've absolutely no idea which part of which post, could have left you so confused, as to ask such a ridiculous question.
Just for clarity; the "Nazis" were a bunch of deluded fvcktards.
But their beliefs in "race" were, and still are, widely held.
I've no wish to get into a fight about it. Such views are still "mainstream", and mine a minority, in general society. (Albeit an informed minority, of social anthropologists, geneticists, archaeologists, and others, wherein there lies an overwhelming consensus)
Most people still "self-identify" their own alleged "race", often erroneously, (as we've seen shades of here), and often based on (erroneous) family mythology. The truth is, most people can't trace their ancestry back further than a few generations, often because records were destroyed, (by wars, floods and fires, or other simple losses) or because of migrations, and/or name changes.
Even when they can, in programs like "Who do you think you are", (UK) they are often able to trace people as being "direct descendants of William the Conquerer".
What they don't tell you (because it would 'spoil' the program) is that when you go back that far (circa 1,000 years, in that case), we ALL have billions of ancestors, from that period.
Far more than the entire population of the earth, then, or even now.

You get to 8billion, at 825 years ago, 33 generations. 16 Billion at 850 years, 32 billion at 875, 64 billion at 900 years. And so on.
So for people to claim "direct ancestry" from someone from 2,000, or 3,000 years ago, is completely laughable.
<---- See? I told you.
That's not me trying to insult people, or wind people up.
This information is all out there. 'Peer-reviewed', scientifically proven, factual information.
I'm not just making-up this shit.
Check it out for yourself.

It might sound a bit "Kumbaya" (sp?) , to some people, to suggest that we're all far more closely related than previously supposed. But it's completely true.
The un-raveling, of the human genome, and it's ongoing study and analysis, is throwing-up all sorts of unexpected results.
That's why medicine is moving in the direction of "individual medicine", with drugs of "bespoke design" to suit a specific person's genetic makeup.
We are all unique. Your individual mixture, of all of the mixtures of the genomes of your billions of (shared) ancestors, has never existed before, and never will again*. (* -Unless you are a 'monozygotic' twin, or somebody 'clones' you, obviously)
My "message" is simple:
"Find out some... stuff"
HTH
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 54
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/14/2016 11:36:54 AM
Jo - do some research.... My goodness read a history book.
Israel exists today.
The Jews were settled in what is now known as Israel long before Palestine was named Palestine.
So yes they do have a claim to the area.

As for Jews who oppose Israel... do you know why they oppose Israel?
It's very simple and it's really only Orthodox Jews who oppose.
It's right there in the Tora. Look it up. Educate yourself.

As for your statement "Jewish language and culture being predominantly Arabic and muslim"?
What? You did not really think that statement through now did you?
The Muslims don't enter the picture until the 6th century with the birth of Muhammad.
The Arabic language shares its genesis with Hebrew as both derive from the Semitic language. So wrong on that one .
Secondly Judaism was around centuries prior to the creation of Islam.
Islam and Judaism and Christianity all derive from the same lineage.
We all have the same forefathers and the same God!


There is no "right" to steal territory, or to push 700,000 "made-up" people from their very real homes. 740


I agree so consider this. Consider history;

BCE–c. 722 BCE
Kingdom of Israel falls to Neo-Assyrian Empire

597 BCE Jews deported to Babylon
586 BCE
Jewish state falls to Babylonians - Temple Destroyed

460 BCE Persian takeover

332 BCE Egyptian conquest

63 BCE Roman conquest
All this before Isalm and Muslims...
So it was alright to steal Jewish territory, their homes and deport the Jews on all those occasions but not 70 years ago?
Again how far back in history do you want to consider?

The truth is certainly out there, you just have to study it and history.
 missmgregor
Joined: 2/6/2016
Msg: 55
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/14/2016 11:49:35 AM
Cotter, if you are not a antisimitic POS, then there is no such thing. You are a classic...a person devoid of an ounce of integruty who bashes the jews in Israel every chance you get. You lie about everything, concede nothing. You are a terrible person right up there with the worst of the scum of the earth. Not only do you lie about Israel repeatedly...you lie about being an antisemite. Why not just admit what you are, or does it conflict with the bullshit lies you tell yourself when you try to justify your own pathetic existence to yourself? You little dishonest worm
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 56
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/14/2016 12:02:00 PM
"Hot legs" cotter spent some time in the Father Land, perhaps for a reason.visit Oscewicz ,Treblinka ,and other sites of the camps and gloat? Enjoy the feeling of superiority and victory over the hated people?..
 DameWrite
Joined: 2/27/2010
Msg: 57
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Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 6:45:51 AM
A good neighbor doesn't need a fence.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 58
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 7:46:35 AM
^^

Nor locks on their house doors, car doors, right? Nor on their bicycle or other property. .Kumbayah, my lord.

maybe that works on the wee island. .though I doubt it..certainly doesn't work everywhere. .unless you want to buy new stuff regularly.
 BlackOnyx48
Joined: 1/7/2016
Msg: 59
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 8:34:46 AM
Israel, stole a lot of land from Palestine...of course they need a wall...I oppose the United States assisting them in anyway to continue their thuggery...and look forward to sanctions forcing them to return what they stole and make reparations to the Palestinian people.
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 60
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 12:25:46 PM
What land did Israel steal from Palestine?
Because Palestine was partitioned by the United Nations in 1948. “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine” set up a plan for a two state solution. Israel accepted the plan and was created in 1948. The Arab League rejected the plan and declared war.
So Israel has always recognized the need for a two state solution but not some of its Arab neighbours.
So please tell us what land they stole?
While your at it also please tell us what land Putin stole?
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 61
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 1:51:45 PM

Israel, stole a lot of land from Palestine...of course they need a wall...I oppose the United States assisting them in anyway to continue their thuggery...and look forward to sanctions forcing them to return what they stole and make reparations to the Palestinian people.

Succinctly put BO.
Exactly.

00:

The Jews were settled in what is now known as Israel long before Palestine was named Palestine.
So yes they do have a claim to the area.

And the Africans were there long before the "jews". So what?
And for someone who doesn't think there's any such country as Palestine, you (And The UN) certainly use the name a lot! As in:

What land did Israel steal from Palestine?
Because Palestine was partitioned by the United Nations in 1948. “United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine” set up a plan for a two state solution. Israel accepted the plan and was created in 1948. The Arab League rejected the plan and declared war.



As for Jews who oppose Israel... do you know why they oppose Israel?
It's very simple and it's really only Orthodox Jews who oppose.

What absolute drivel.
Most of the "settlers" are "orthodox", they're the ones who steal land, and they're the people who want all of the Palestinians gone. The "orthodox" ones are the "extremists". Same as with most religions.


As for your statement "Jewish language and culture being predominantly Arabic and muslim"?
What? You did not really think that statement through now did you?

You used to get banned here, for making even the slightest hint of a"misrepresentation" of another poster's views..
I'm not playing your stupid games, go and annoy someone who cares enough to respond to your idiotic word play.
If you want to discuss this, then grow the fvck up.

Israel is based on myths, and primitive, now-discredited beliefs.
Because of that, and their complete refusal to acknowledge any of their past mistakes, and injustices, which are now all well documented, and in the public domain, it's demise is inevitable.
Eventually the whole world will turn against them.
EG "Jews Against the Occupation".
http://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
Read it, and learn something.

Yes, "Judaism" was the earliest of the three "Abrahamic" religions, but it didn't develop in isolation, they "borrowed" many practices from much earlier religions, like "Zoroastrianism". "Monotheism" was becoming more popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
Like all religions, they are all (IMO) just a bunch of cults.

I said cults.



Again how far back in history do you want to consider?

Oh, say 1947.?

I agree

Excellent.
Then we have nothing further to discuss.
I bid you a good day.
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 62
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 2:29:31 PM
Ok history lesson time Jo... not sure what country you are from but with your lack of historical knowledge I am guessing you are American.

So many mistakes in your post where do I begin. Not sure which other posters views I mis-represented as you suggest and since you give no example we will just ignore that silly little statement.
Ok aside from all your other gibberish lets just take it from 1947 as you suggest.

In 1947 Palestine was actually under the British Mandate (as per the League of Nations 1923) and included modern day Israel (20%) and Jordon(80%).
Although not a country the area was governed by Britain and called Palestine. All the people of the British controlled area of Palestine were called Palestinians. All means both Jews and Arabs because there was a minority of Jews there. In fact, Jews never entirely left the area they first settled millenniums earlier.
So at one time both Jews and Arabs were Palestinians. There were in 1947 Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs.
The problem is the Arabs refused the UN plan then attacked. Had they accepted the UN plan the map would look much different today.
To the victor go the spoils. Just ask the Romans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Ottomans all who one time or another conquered The Holy Lands prior to 1947 before losing it.
Do you want to pick another year out of your hat?
 FGRN83
Joined: 1/21/2016
Msg: 63
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 2:37:51 PM
One would really need to decipher the true Biblical Identity of the jews. That's too haughty for here. Just sayin a wall works well. Jews have done well in their Ethno State. They have successfully self segregated. Where are the rapeugees? Does isreal have a forced immigration problem such as Germany? Why not?
 BlackOnyx48
Joined: 1/7/2016
Msg: 64
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/15/2016 2:46:30 PM
There's just not enough people that give a crap about the well-being of Israel...they have engineered their own grief by outrageous dirtbaggish actions the rendering of consequences were necessary, appropriate and have commenced.....
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 65
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 5:53:28 AM
Is Bernie a dual citizen?

No one who is a dual citizen should be President of the USA, whether of Canada(Or who recently dropped it to run for President - Ahem, Cruz), Israel, Great Britain or Turkey or Hong Kong.
 FGRN83
Joined: 1/21/2016
Msg: 66
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 6:16:29 AM
The security of the Ethno State always allows citizenship, Think , when Netanyahoo called Paris jews back to the Homeland. Hence , Glassberg aka Sanders as well as the anchor babies are ALL dual citizens. Good point . Dee.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 67
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 7:19:50 AM
This Jovan guy is very good at plagiarizing from studies going back to the 1950s but yes, at the anthropological level, races do exist.

http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/gill.html

As for his skewed and totally wrong opinions about israel...he is wrong on the history. Wrong on just about everything. But I get how he sounds smart to those who have no idea about what has gone on over there or is going on to this very day.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 68
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 7:22:25 AM
Dee, it's really difficult to use Google to see that bernie is not a dual citizen...but the constitution does not prohibit dual citizens from being president. That's up to the voters and delegates, not racists
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 69
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 7:25:48 AM
"There's just not enough people that give a crap about the well-being of Israel."

Fortumlnately, Israel does nor rely on the goodwill of black people to survive. What your people give a crap about is of no moment to anybody but your people.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 70
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 8:01:20 AM
"As for Jews who oppose Israel... do you know why they oppose Israel?
It's very simple and it's really only Orthodox Jews who oppose."

This is not drivel as proclaimed by the ignorant one. There are some very few ultra religious jews who, do not really oppose israel...but who do not accept Israel. In their view, Israel must be a gift of God and not a partition award from man or taken by arms. Otoh, very religious jews to cause problems by claiming they have a right to settle in the occupied territories as proclaimed their right by god. There are of course many jews who oppose Israeli policies. The saying is two jews..three opinions.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 71
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 8:35:49 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-looks-beyond-america-1455578241

Good riddance. Israel needs to look beyond the claptrap making up the ignorant american. One only has to read these forums to see how uneducated the American population. Cotter, Mungo Jo, Jovan....shining examples of overwhelming ignorance and racism in the far left nutcase field.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 72
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 3:17:40 PM

This Jovan guy is very good at plagiarizing from studies going back to the 1950s

I always cite my sources. If you feel something I've said is plagiarism, please point out which part, and from where.
Why would anyone plagiarise studies from a time before genome sequencing?
It makes no sense.

As for his skewed and totally wrong opinions about israel..

An opinion isn't a fact, so it can't really be "wrong".
You might disagree with my opinions, - but that's only your opinion.

races do exist.

No, they really don't. It was a classification invented long ago, before we even knew about huge areas of the world. Before we knew about evolution, before we knew about genetics. A time when slavery still existed, and "white" people colonised and conquered any lands inhabited by any people who didn't look "white".
How many different "races" are there?

But I get how he sounds smart

You could do that too, if you just stopped saying stuff....

Otoh, very religious jews to cause problems by claiming they have a right to settle in the occupied territories as proclaimed their right by god.

Yeah, that's what I said.

Like most people, I was unaware of it's history. Having had two parents who both suffered the Nazi jackboot myself, I was always sympathetic. From what little I knew of Israel, it seemed like a 'cool', egalitarian society. I liked what I heard about the "kibutz" (sp?), it seemed almost "socialist".
I didn't pay much attention to the news in 1967. (I was 12 or 13)
It wasn't until about 1990, when an old friend of mine had married an American, and I became friends with him. One day we were talking, and he started saying some very "anti-semitic" stuff, nasty nazi stuff, about "jews" and "yids", and I told him that I was a bit touchy about nazi-sympathisers, and told him why, and told him that if he didn't stop saying them, he and I would be stepping outside, and he would definitely come of the worse.
He left. But before he left, he suggested I do some research.
So, I went to the library, (No interwebz back then!) a small, local library, and asked if they had any books on the history of Israel. - They had three. I took them all out.

To be honest, I couldn't believe what I was reading. Worse still, I couldn't understand why I didn't already know about it, or why this stuff wasn't 'common knowledge' among the general public.
This is an excellent synopsis, and written entirely by "jews".
http://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

It has many references to other academic studies, and books by eminent "jewish" and Arabic scholars and historians.

Israel was a mistake.
A reconstruction of biblical mythology, perpetrated by Britain, France, Russia, the USA., and other "western powers", and a terrible injustice, imposed on the people who had formerly inhabited that area for millenia, and had done nothing to deserve their shabby treatment.
I understand the reasons for it, 'post-holocaust', and all that, but nonetheless, we "gave" them land, which wasn't "ours", to give.
Until that's resolved, there will always be conflict there.
The "jews" maintained their "claim" for 3,000 years. Why do they imagine the Palestinians might not?
The first step is admitting past mistakes.

I would highly recommend that anyone should do their own research, my opinions are not facts.
The above website is an excellent starting point.

Israel is losing support, not just from it's own people, but from the wider world too.
That's because it's no longer possible to suppress it's dismal history.
You might not like that Marilyn, but it's inevitable.
The truth is out.
Calm down dear.
 00Spy
Joined: 4/13/2013
Msg: 73
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 3:31:03 PM
Jo van, I Agree with you on the plagiarism thing and to go one step further I will state that people who claim plagiarism in here a simply admitting they have no longer a logical argument.
However with regards to Israel losing support I also note that Oxford UK has also lost support... The bombing starts tomorrow!
Better get that "Iron Dome" up in a hurry.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 74
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 6:28:09 PM
Your opinions on race are nothing new and date back to the 1950s, you give no new perspective no new scientific basis for your opinions, you merely plagiarize what has been said many times before. Of course Homo sapiens is one species. Of course you cannot look at the DNA of an individual or an MRI scan and notice any difference between the races. But as my source evidence is beyond any doubt, there are anthropologic differences between the races that go beyond skin color. Does that mean one race is better than another? No. It just means I am NOT going to offer politically correct opinions to satisfy politically biased authors.

With regard to Israel, so you read a book or two and now you know the facts? Don't make me laugh. It is obvious to me that you know very, very little. And by the way you can opine or not whether the United Nations should have had the right to partition the land as it did when Israel was created, or whether the powers had any right to partition any of the Middle Eastern lands creating various countries there. But the un certainly had the legal right to do so and it was better then leaving matters to a free for all. The Jews had as much right to claim that land as anybody else and your not agreeing is of no moment.

You also make the mistake of thinking that because you and other left thinking nut cases represented on this board by cotter and yourself, do not support Israel, that Israel is losing support worldwide. In fact in another source I cited, Israel is gaining support worldwide because it is militarily and politically smarter to be their friend rather than their enemy. Regardless, with nuclear submarines and hundreds of nuclear weapons, with or without the support of the United States, Israel will always survive. The only question is whether or its military option of last resort will ever be necessary. Which is why any country like Iran would have to think long and hard before deciding to try to make a fatal strike on Israel, because indeed that country would cease to exist as soon as they did so
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 75
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 2/16/2016 6:29:07 PM
If Races don't exist why do some people's babies look so different from others? Shouldn't we expect a random distribution of characteristics, notably skin color , in babies, regardless of the characteristics of their biological parents?
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