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Israel time to start spelling it correctlyPage 81 of 82    (42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82)
You may well be right there warm..... I just logged on and saw a robotic type name... cat.napper and then a minute later Totata was I will cycle through the rest of my ata aliases...will likely take a number of days to do so...and will start creating a new three letter suffix at the end.... make POF change its algorithm.

Another option is just to disappear...not much is going on here anymore.... since admin got rid of the most interesting posters over the months...
Joined: 6/24/2018
Msg: 2014
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/19/2018 7:33:47 AM
Uh oh...sorry Jovan and Cotter:

Israel Passes Law Anchoring Itself as Nation-State of the Jewish People
A protest in Tel Aviv this month against the new law, which has been advanced as flagship legislation of the most right-wing and religious governing coalition in Israel’s 70-year history.
A protest in Tel Aviv this month against the new law, which has been advanced as flagship legislation of the most right-wing and religious governing coalition in Israel’s 70-year history.Abir Sultan/EPA, via Shutterstock
By Isabel Kershner
July 19, 2018
JERUSALEM — Israel passed a contentious basic law on Thursday that anchors itself as the nation-state of the Jewish people, promotes the development of Jewish communities and downgrades the status of Arabic from an official language to one with a “special status.”

In essence, the law enshrines the Jewish people’s exclusive right to self-determination in Israel, a move that was hailed by supporters as “historic” and denounced by detractors as discriminatory, racist and a blow to democracy.

The law is largely symbolic and declarative, but opponents say it harms the delicately balanced relationship between the country’s Jewish majority and its Arab minority, which makes up about 21 percent of a population of nearly nine million.

The law, pushed through just before the Knesset, or Parliament went into summer recess, has been advanced as a flagship measure of the most right-wing and religious governing coalition in Israel’s 70-year history.

It was enacted after a decade of political wrangling and hours of impassioned debate in Parliament, and it is one of more than a dozen basic laws that are difficult to overturn and that, together, serve as the country’s Constitution.

Since it was established, Israel has been grappling with the inherent tensions between its dual aspirations of being both Jewish and democratic.

“This is a defining moment in the annals of Zionism and the annals of the state of Israel,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said soon after the vote early Thursday. “We have determined in law the founding principle of our existence. Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people, and respects the rights of all of its citizens.”

But if the law was meant to give expression to Israel’s national identity, it exposed and further divided an already deeply fractured society. It passed in the 120-seat Parliament by a vote of 62 to 55 with two abstentions. One member was absent.

Moments after the vote, Arab members of Parliament ripped up copies of the bill while crying out, “Apartheid!” Ayman Odeh, the leader of the Joint List of predominantly Arab parties, which holds 13 seats and is the third-largest bloc in Parliament, waved a black flag in protest. Members of the right-wing governing coalition applauded.

“The end of democracy,” declared Ahmad Tibi, a veteran Arab legislator, charging the government with demagogy. “The official beginning of fascism and apartheid. A black day (another black day),” he wrote on Twitter.

Adalah, a legal center that campaigns for Arab rights in Israel, said in a statement, “This law guarantees the ethnic-religious character of Israel as exclusively Jewish and entrenches the privileges enjoyed by Jewish citizens, while simultaneously anchoring discrimination against Palestinian citizens and legitimizing exclusion, racism, and systemic inequality.”

Yael German, a lawmaker from the centrist opposition party Yesh Atid, said before the vote that the law was “a poison pill for democracy.”

Empowered by the ascendancy of a friendly American administration led by President Trump, and increasingly allying itself with illiberal democracies in Europe, Mr. Netanyahu’s government has sought to exercise more control over the news media, curtail the authority of the Supreme Court and undermine the police amid attempts to thwart or minimize the effect of multiple corruption investigations against the prime minister. The police have already recommended that Mr. Netanyahu be charged with bribery in two cases.

Some supporters of the nationality law lamented that many of its proposed and more influential clauses had been watered down to allow its passage. Critics decried it as a populist measure that largely sprung from the competition for votes between Mr. Netanyahu’s conservative party, Likud, and political rivals to its right in elections due next year.

Unlike previous drafts of the nationality bill, the version that passed omits any mention of democracy or enunciation of the principle of equality, in what critics called a betrayal of Israel’s foundational document, its Declaration of Independence.

That declaration, signed by the state’s founders ushering in independence in 1948, proclaimed that Israel “will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants” and will “ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex.”

Two other basic laws, on human dignity and on liberty and freedom of occupation, enacted in the 1990s, determine the values of the state as both Jewish and democratic.

“I don’t agree with those saying this is an apartheid law,” said Amir Fuchs, an expert in legislative processes and liberal thought at the Israel Democracy Institute, an independent think tank in Jerusalem. “It does not form two separate legal norms applying to Jews or non-Jews,” he said.

But he added, “Even if it is only declarative and won’t change anything in the near future, I am 100 percent sure it will worsen the feeling of non-Jews and especially the Arab minority in Israel.”

The basic laws, enacted in the absence of a single constitution, legally supersede the Declaration of Independence and, unlike regular laws, have never been overturned by Israel’s Supreme Court. Basic laws can be amended only by a majority in the Knesset.

The nationality law has also drawn ire from Jews abroad. The American Jewish Committee said it was “deeply disappointed” and described the law as “unnecessary.”

It may be left to the Supreme Court to interpret how the “Jewish people” in the title of the law applies to non-Orthodox, more liberal streams of Judaism, which are not officially recognized in Israel.

“We will use all of the legal means available to us to challenge this new law and to promote Reform and Progressive Judaism in Israel,” said Rabbi Rick Jacobs, president of the New York-based Union for Reform Judaism.

The debate has its roots in the establishment of the state of Israel, after the United Nations voted in 1947 to partition the British Mandate for Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. Arab states rejected the plan and went to war.

Seventy years later, proponents of the new law cite continuing threats; some in Israel’s Arab minority are demanding collective rights and forming a majority in the northern Galilee district; and critics abroad are questioning the legitimacy of the Jewish state and calling for boycotts.

Others still view the law as a largely pointless expression of nationalism that lays bare basic insecurities in a hostile region that will serve only to fan tensions at home and beyond.

Avi Shilon, an Israeli historian who teaches at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and New York University in Tel Aviv, noted that Mr. Netanyahu and Likud were the ideological heirs of the right-wing Zionist Revisionist movement of Zeev Jabotinsky, which believed that words could shape reality.

That view is in contrast with those held by the Labor Zionist founders of the state, led by David Ben Gurion, the first prime minister, who placed more faith in deeds and actions.

“The great spirit of Ben-Gurion and the founding fathers was that they knew how to adjust to the times,” Mr. Shilon said. “Mr. Netanyahu and his colleagues are acting like we are still in the battle of 1948, or in a previous era.”

Some of the provisions of the nationality law had already been anchored in previous laws, such as those dealing with the “Law of return,” which guarantees that Israel as open for Jewish immigration, state symbols and Jewish festivals.

This law stipulates that Hebrew is “the state’s language” and downgrades Arabic to a language with a “special status.” The clause is not likely to have much practical meaning since a subsequent clause says, “This clause does not harm the status given to the Arabic language before this law came into effect.”

Another highly divisive clause in the draft version that legal experts said opened the way for segregated communities was replaced by one declaring, “The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation.”

Some critics argued that this was even worse, because while the previous clause allowed for separate but equal communities, the new one could be interpreted to allow for discrimination in the allocation of resources.

Israel has long been accused of being an imperfect democracy. Its Arab citizens lived under military rule until the 1960s and have suffered from institutional discrimination. Israel also controls the lives of millions of Palestinians in territories it captured in the 1967 war.
Joined: 6/24/2018
Msg: 2015
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/19/2018 9:13:05 AM

“The end of democracy,” declared Ahmad Tibi, a veteran Arab legislator, charging the government with demagogy. “The official beginning of fascism and apartheid. A black day (another black day),” he wrote on Twitter.

Interesting comment by this Arab serving in the Israeli Government. The antisemitic like Cotter and Jovan and myriad others have been accusing Israel of Apartheid how is it only now the "beginning" of Apartheid when supposedly it has been that way in Israel forever, at least according to the Israel haters and anti-zionists on this board?
Joined: 6/23/2018
Msg: 2016
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Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/19/2018 4:01:22 PM
Hey carla... you obviously win.
Noone wants to discuss or debate with you.
You have shìt all over this board. Deleted folks you disageed with to the point that everyone gave up. In your mind that makes you a baricuda... we can see you are just sick. How sad.

All your claims of superiority and success? Wow. What a winner.

You even come back to mock folks you have deleted. So sick.

On topic: Israel acts like you do and folks see that. You have highlighted that. You throw it in our faces. Poor gal, you don't see yourselves (lol) like the real world does. How long before Kim saw you for your actions and quietly backed away?

Now you have to post with a hundred aliases and at 3 am... so you get your little thrill for a small while before you are caught out again...
Joined: 6/24/2018
Msg: 2017
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/19/2018 5:05:29 PM
You should report me poor little offended toad.
Joined: 6/24/2018
Msg: 2018
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/19/2018 6:04:48 PM
Sorry 47. Redwhite is actually the brain damaged hopeless nutcase... poor hopeless...must be tough to go through life with a traumatic head injury, but I'm guessing you were always a fuktard.
Joined: 6/26/2018
Msg: 2019
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 7/20/2018 5:42:54 AM
Hey hopeless, you sad little holocaust denier, too bad you don't live in a society that does not tolerate your level of scumbaggery...

One of Trumps lasting legacies....enabling you white trash types.
Joined: 8/7/2018
Msg: 2020
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 8/11/2018 10:18:33 AM
Hey Red...awful quiet lately?
Joined: 8/7/2018
Msg: 2021
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Posted: 8/11/2018 10:52:10 AM
Jovan...where are sad.
Israel still here but you are gone. :-)
Joined: 8/7/2018
Msg: 2022
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 8/11/2018 10:53:53 AM
I've let cotter stay for now. We need consistent, vile jew haters to keep things going here....too bad so many of her leftist friends are gone.
Joined: 6/23/2018
Msg: 2023
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Posted: 9/4/2018 6:00:38 PM
Google: israel kills 12 palistinian kids.

Or any number of kids any year since records have been kept.

Must be fake news.
2014 Russell tribunal.
Look that one up if you've got a minute.
Modern day.

I get that the local inhabitants are reluctant to leave. Fuck em.
Kick them out and ship them to Syria. Give the land to Moses' people.
They deserve it. God willed it to them.
Joined: 9/2/2018
Msg: 2024
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 9/6/2018 4:59:37 AM
Yes hopeless...those damn. Israelis, year after year after year defending themselves. Terrible thing isn't it...the jews fighting back. Did you know by the way that jews in the first half of the 20th century were some of the most skilled prize fighters around? I didn't either until recently.

Where is lying jovan ti tell us about how those horrid jews wanted to move to israel in the 1800s? Banned? Lol

Where is elphaba cotter. To complain about Anne Frank? Ignored here by most? Very sad.
Joined: 9/14/2018
Msg: 2025
Great Job , isreal
Posted: 9/17/2018 1:46:00 PM
for those interested, the Oslo Diaries on HBO is a very good watch....about a lot of the maneuvering to bring peace to the middle-east...alas all for naught...but they did come close.

(its far above your grade-level Hopeless... so the documentary is not for you....not for a man who lives in a fantasy world like you... and Jovan....and Elphaba.
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