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 vlad dracul
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Farron was really just a stand in i think. The libdems thought they would sweep up the remain vote but it never happened. Folk still remembered that they went into government with the tories. They did get a few more mp's but they are still irrelevant.

I think we will get another election this year as theresa may is getting battered from all angles just now. Known as the maybot she again showed no leadership qualities yesterday when visiting the site of the dreadful fire in the london tower block. She stayed for 15 mins then left. At least jeremy corbyn took time to meet grieving families.

Interestingly i watched sadiq khan on telly last night when he went and the atmosphere was hostile and tense.

Word is being leaked from the eu that all will be forgiven if we buckle and betray the 17.4 million who voted for brexit.

But politics means nothing just now when thinking of the poor unfortunates who perished in the tower block fire. Temperatures of up to 1,000 degrees being reported.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:11:13 AM
But what are the alternatives to May?

Terrorism and unending immigration and refugees apologists?
 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
Msg: 336
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Posted: 6/16/2017 8:54:49 AM
This kind of shit is why I can't even look at the American political threads anymore.

"Refugee apologists"?!? Just how f*cking evil do you have to be to even come up with a thing like that? Yeah, families that have been bombed out, parents who have seen their children die and children who watched their parents die are guilty. And those who have the tiniest bit of compassion in their souls are now "apologists."

Jesus Christ. Pure undistilled, black hearted evil. So much worse than the terrorists she pretends to be scared of. At least for them, causing death and spreading suffering is a means to an end - no matter how fecked up the thinking. For her, spreading suffering and killing innocents is the end goal.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
Msg: 337
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:05:40 AM

"Refugee apologists"?!? Just how f*cking evil do you have to be to even come up with a thing like that?

^5's Great post! Took the words right out of my mind and stated far better than I could.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:39:36 AM
Dee

Terrorism and unending immigration and refugees apologists?


Half

This kind of shit is why I can't even look at the American political threads anymore


Well, I'm always on the fence with immigration. I've seen first hand the damage done to unskilled blue collar workers with the influx of cheaper competition. I do believe we need to curb it somewhat. Skilled immigration? I just don't know...we do need the "best and brightest" indeed...so I welcome those....how do we measure that?

Where I have a problem is the wholesale exploitation of H1B, etc. simply to lower pay for skilled workers. The biggest users of H1B, etc. are headhunters/"consultants" just looking to funnel cheap skilled labor to multinationals. So they can dump older, expensive, long time workers. F that. I don't support that.

As far as the immigration/terrorism slant - that doesn't worry me at all....I'll take my chances of getting blowed up....my problems are more of the economic impact on labor and ratcheting down on wages. And even that would be easier for me to accept if most of the benefits weren't going to elites/Wall Street/corporate. Most of the elite/Wall St. support for unfettered immigration is they benefit with an unending supply of labor. Although it's masked many ways, i.e., altruism, etc....the ultimate reason is financial - it makes rich people richer.

I wanted to tell this story and this is as good a place as any I suppose...sorry for a little hijack. I don't travel much anymore but did last week and really was inspired by some of the immigrant grunts I met while on travel. I like to chat with people, and some of the stories made me wonder if "native" born Americans would go through this kind of stuff. Made me miss travel, to be honest. These folks were inspirational and made me wonder what's missing with "native" born Americans who have such a tough time.

First was the cab driver to the airport....Korean woman...late 40/50s....been here 16 years...we chatted she told me she'd only been driving for a year....*eyebrow raise*....also it was her first job out of the house...at ~50.....*more eyebrow raise*......chatted more....turns out her hubby dropped dead 2 years ago and she was forced to get a job...with no experience and only so-so language skills...for kids' sake stayed here instead of going back to Korea.......cab driving seemed to be a decent fit....no benefits...7 days a week...she was doing this to help put her kids through college and had to pick up the slack after her hubby died.

Chatted more...she revealed she liked to sing opera...lol....but had no time to pursue it, no time to practice. I said "what about singing by yourself in the cab ?" She looked embarassed that I was on to her secret, indeed she did do that. I asked her to sing for me.....after him'ing and haw'ing for awhile, next thing I knew I was tooling at 70 mph on I90 eastbound listening to the most stunningly beautiful opera singing I had ever heard.. In a cab....OMG....gooooose bumps!!!! She was sacrificing her passion to work drudgery and put her kids through college..Wowza..

Second...another cab drive. Driver from Ghana....working 7 days no bennies...here 10 years....living in a 1 room flat w/ roomate. He slept on the floor...and said he could afford 2 BR but he wanted to save $$ for his schooling as a Physician Asst. He was 40 yrs old, no wife, no kids, no GF...said he would lose his focus on his goal with a wife or GF....The kicker is he had a MBA already..said no business experience , lack of contacts, and his so-so language skills prevented him from getting a job in business... So this guy's driving a cab, with an MBA...kicked in the teeth by the job market here.......and still told me with a huge smile.... "The U.S.A. is my country now, I love it!!" I have opportunity here I do not have in Ghana! "

Really makes me wonder...and gives me pause...about my general stand about immigration...which is to cut back.
 N2U16
Joined: 9/25/2016
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Posted: 6/16/2017 10:10:48 AM
This Engineered Migration is “Pure undistilled, black hearted evil”!
 Forrest Grump
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Posted: 6/16/2017 10:34:46 AM
halforhalfnot
Msg 338


Theresa May is negotiating with actual terrorists for their support in Parliament, with their ten seats.


Since when did the Democratic Unionist Party become ‘actual terrorists ’?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 6/17/2017 4:50:40 AM
Half
Your hysteria will give you a stroke.
You know the refugees who sauntered without limit into Europe were mostly war aged men,right,leaving woman and children behind despite the MSM showing the few kids and women over and over again?
Don't pretend that discussion was about anything else so that you can be outraged.
Are you housing any refugees yet?
Is it true that Canada has one of the lowest refugee acceptance rates.
 congupnaroad
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Posted: 6/17/2017 6:12:09 AM

Is it true that Canada has one of the lowest refugee acceptance rates.


Yep


However, during the 1990s, Canada enacted a number of policies aimed at curtailing the number of refugees, creating problematic linkages between refugees, criminality, and terrorism. In the aftermath of 9/11 and the increased focus on national security, more resources have been diverted to strengthen border enforcement and to decrease numbers of refugees and asylum seekers, rather than aid in resettlement and integration


thecanadianencyclopedia.ca

Fancy that aye? Canadians linking refugees with criminality and terrorism!

Even after WW2 Canada turned back thousands of European refugees seeking asylum.
 Walts
Joined: 5/7/2005
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Posted: 6/17/2017 6:33:39 AM

Are you housing any refugees yet?
Is it true that Canada has one of the lowest refugee acceptance


We are so accepting we have a history of even letting yanks into our country when they decide enough is enough.

We just don't always "record" it.
 halforhalfnot
Joined: 9/13/2016
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Posted: 6/17/2017 7:22:21 AM
It's just the same lame, rhetoric the evil shits of the world always use. Any time they're called on their vile shit, they pretend that the only person who can criticize them are perfect people. She wants to increase suffering and death, but diverts when called on it.

You see it whenever someone famous says we shouldn't destroy the planet. Or when a rich person says maybe there should be fairness in the tax code. It's pretty much the go-to of right wing terrorists.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
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Posted: 6/17/2017 7:24:28 AM

It's just the same lame, rhetoric the evil shits of the world always use.


In their defense some of them are not intentionally evil, they are just literally retarded.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 6/17/2017 7:33:32 AM
Congu?

Is Half responding to you?

He can't be responding to what I wrote.

Perfect what?

Actually, what he posted is non-responsive to what you wrote as well.

Huh....

And that "divert" word and any variation? Overused.
Yawn.....

I'll check back later to see whether he actually has any thing on the actual subject of discussion at the moment.

Interesting post, congu, about Canadians thinking that the immigrants were linked to crime and terrorism. """Fancy that aye?"""
Huh.
 chameleonf
Joined: 12/22/2008
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Posted: 6/17/2017 7:44:09 AM
^^^ more a case of actual vetting than a ban on a group as a whole or the opposite as in a total open door, non-vetting/no policy situation.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 348
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Posted: 6/17/2017 7:55:50 AM

Interesting post, congu, about Canadians thinking that the immigrants were linked to crime and terrorism. """Fancy that aye?"""
Huh.


Yeah fancy that, digging up old policies from the 90's and trying to claim they apply today.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
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Posted: 7/4/2017 2:13:50 PM
Brexit: Vote Leave chief who created £350m NHS claim on bus admits leaving EU could be 'an error'
Dominic Cummings also described the referendum as a 'dumb idea' - shaping up to be a 'guaranteed debacle'
Rob Merrick Deputy Political Editor
Tuesday 4 July 2017 10:00 BST

One of the masterminds behind the Brexit vote has performed an astonishing U-turn by admitting that leaving the EU may be “an error”.

Dominic Cummings, the Vote Leave campaign director, described the referendum as a “dumb idea” before other ideas had been tried to win back powers from Brussels. He has also warned that Brexit is shaping up to be a “guaranteed debacle”, without big changes in Whitehall to deliver a successful negotiation.

Tim Farron, the Liberal Democrat leader, seized on the comments, saying: “Dominic Cummings has let the cat out of the bag. This is the man who slapped the £350m NHS lie on the side of the bus who is now saying leaving the EU could be a mistake.

“These Brexiteers have sold us a pup and lied to the public. This is why I believe the public should be given a say on the final Brexit deal.”

Mr Cummings is little known to the public, but is widely seen as hugely influential behind the scenes in pulling off last year’s shock referendum Leave vote. A former special adviser to Michael Gove, he coined the phrase “vote leave, take control”, which excited wavering voters into believing Britain could reclaim sovereignty.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-vote-leave-director-dominic-cummings-leave-eu-error-nhs-350-million-lie-bus-a7822386.html
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/10/2017 12:35:58 PM
Here is what is getting done in secret behind citizens backs by the 'worker friendly' eu. No consultation, no vote, no say. Fantastic. Still the japanese will get cheap cheese........

"Revealed: The trade deal you’ve never heard of

The biggest ever free trade agreement was signed by the EU last week. Green MEP Molly Scott-Cato outlines what you need to know.

Firstly, the deal will cover an economic output of some 20 trillion dollars, a trade volume twice as large as CETA, the deal agreed between Canada and the EU earlier this year.

The deal is shrouded in secrecy, negotiations taking place behind closed doors – even MEPs are barred from participating – so most of what we know comes from a number of leaked confidential documents obtained by Greenpeace.

The documents raise concerns around forestry and our oceans. Japan is the largest importer of wood in the world and a major market for illegal timber, yet JEFTA provides no measures to prevent Japan continuing to import illegal timber.

Similarly, Japan is well known for whaling under the guise of “scientific research” and for overfishing, yet JEFTA overlooks these two issues and provides no binding measures to stop such practices.

Other aspects of JEFTA will raise both a smile and a frown. A comical side to the deal is the fact that there are proposals to drop tariffs on cheese exports in return for lower tariffs on imported Japanese cars.

This idea has more holes in it than a Swiss Emmental. Has the European Commission considered the relative value of EU exports of dairy products to Japan – ranked 69th in the world in terms of cheese consumption – compared to EU imports of Japanese cars – which we know EU consumers love?

Such a deal looks like hard cheese for European exporters but a nice ride in the fast lane for Japanese exporters.

And just as with TTIP, one of the most contentious dimensions to JEFTA is the investor settlement dispute system (ISDS). While such a mechanism has yet to be agreed in JEFTA, it is a common feature of all trade deals discussed in recent years.

ISDS allows corporations to sue governments in special ‘investor courts’ for enacting regulation which damage their profits.

Such corporate courts already exist in other agreements and have allowed corporations to sue governments for freezing water and electricity prices, raising the minimum wage, introducing a sugar tax and putting health warnings on cigarette packages.

The agreement has been made extremely hastily, apparently as a direct challenge to Donald Trump ahead of the G20 summit in Germany. In January, Trump pulled the US out of a proposed trade agreement with Japan and other Pacific Rim countries.

Secrecy and lack of transparency was one of the main features of the TTIP trade treaty and a key factor that led to the astonishing European movement that helped block this damaging EU-US treaty.

When we step back and assess the vast implications that these deals have for ordinary citizens and for our environment, it is a scandal that the majority of people simply have no idea that they are taking place.

As Greens, we will push for the JEFTA negotiations to be made fully transparent and that any final deal is in line with both the Paris climate commitments and the Sustainable Development Goals, ensuring it works for the benefit of the poorest in the world, not just wealthy corporations.

But with Brexit looming, we will have to be on our guard; not just watching the EU but potentially even more damaging trade deals between the UK and other parts of the world.

Liam Fox famously prevented any meaningful debate over CETA in our ‘mother of parliaments’. Whether Theresa May’s call for other parties to contribute ideas on the challenges we face is a genuine bid for consensus politics, or because she has run out of ideas, it represents an opportunity to ensure that trade deals face parliamentary and public scrutiny"

https://leftfootforward.org/2017/07/the-eu-japan-trade-deal-youve-probably-never-heard-of/
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
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Posted: 7/11/2017 5:41:57 AM
The pro brexit like the idea of one world even if at the expense of their countrymen. Ideals before reality.

 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
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Posted: 7/11/2017 11:47:22 AM

The pro brexit like the idea of one world even if at the expense of their countrymen. Ideals before reality.


Ermm..... Dee....


Never mind.


I don't know why you're posting all that Vlad, we're leaving the EU., and I'm fairly sure you care niether about the welfare of whales, nor the amount of dairy produce consumed by the Japanese.
It's a "Japan-European FTA", it won't affect Britain at all.
You "won".
Get over it.

But with Brexit looming, we will have to be on our guard; not just watching the EU but potentially even more damaging trade deals between the UK and other parts of the world.

(My bold)
Yes. Quite.
So much winning...

Does anyone know what concessions were made by May, when she sold the Saudis all those planes and shit?
When Maggie did the "Al Yamami" deal, it involved literally delivering a suitcase full of money, every year, and every year since then.
Apparently "it's good for the economy", or something...
Or the deal done by Cameron and Osborne, with the state-owned Chinese and French Electricity companies, when he gave the contract for the new nuclear plant to them, and guaranteed the consumer prices 30 years into the future. (Recently described as "counter-consumer").
Such "good negotiators"

When politicians start behaving more like "industry rep's", and "doing deals" with big businesses, they make concessions, against the interests of the vast majority of the population, because they "know " it will be "good for us", because it'll be "good for the economy".
This is (IMO)because they start believing their own hype', and start believing they're hot-shot businessmen, who are experts in "the art of the deal", because they've read a book, or because they've managed to fool so many people into voting for them, so they "must" be "good salespeople".


All the more reasons for voting for Corbyn.
He's against that kind of thing, that's why the right wing press slander him as a "communist", and claim a labour government would be "a disaster for the economy".

Personally, I think there's an appetite among working people,( if it were presented and argued in the correct way, ) for a different approach.
A "kinder gentler socialism".

Wait and see how happy all the "pro-brexit" people are, in three years time, when they realise how long it will take to go through the "Non-EU-Passports" queues, when they fly to "Ma-Lager" , or "Marbs", for their "hen-nights".
Or when all those pensioners on the "Costa del Crime" have to start paying for their hip-replacement surgery.

I think it was a massive fvck-up, (politically, on a "super-nova" scale, ) by an incompetent bunch of wankers.
But it's just my opinion.....
Only time will tell.
 SS4544Spd
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Posted: 7/11/2017 12:00:07 PM
Vlad wrote:

Such a deal looks like hard cheese for European exporters but a nice ride in the fast lane for Japanese exporters.


Yeah, when I heard of that trade deal, I thought the same thing. In the absence of the U.S. being a trade patsy, the EU has stepped up nicely.

Without reading any particulars about the deal, and not intending to, what I predict it is designed to do is as follows: Japan will grow hard industries, which provide the best paying jobs for "regular" folks, while the EU will grow finance, IP, and software, which only employ relatively few highly skilled/paid "hotshots."

Not sure how it helps/hurts EU agriculture, which may be a different animal there vs. the U.S. because of the U.S.'s reliance on illegal/legal immigrants as the bulk of the workers. If it helps EU agriculture AND EU agriculture is native Europeans working living wage jobs, then it may help some "regular" folks. Unlike when starry eyed U.S. free trade brokers crow about trade deals "Growing U.S. Ag exports." Who really cares because that's growth in an industry that doesn't provide good jobs.

Bend over, EU. No lube for you!!! LOL>
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:24:00 AM
Oor jo
"Wait and see how happy all the "pro-brexit" people are, in three years time, when they realise how long it will take to go through the "Non-EU-Passports" queues, when they fly to "Ma-Lager" , or "Marbs", for their "hen-nights". Or when all those pensioners on the "Costa del Crime" have to start paying for their hip-replacement surgery. I think it was a massive fvck-up, (politically, on a "super-nova" scale, ) by an incompetent bunch of wankers. But it's just my opinion..... Only time will tell."

And.......

"All the more reasons for voting for Corbyn.
He's against that kind of thing, that's why the right wing press slander him as a "communist", and claim a labour government would be "a disaster for the economy"."

Are corbyn and mcdonnell not brexit adherents then? And oh dear. Passports? Really? What a frail argument. Why would spain, portugal and greece make life difficult for folk who want to spend their hard earned cash in their holiday resorts? Is it a nightmare getting in to turkey? Surely the pensioners will come back to the uk where they paid their dues and get hip surgery? They mainly paid into the system. Or they could become health tourists like many others are.

You think it was a massive fvck up? Fair play its your view. Tony benn, jeremy corbyn and most of corbys pals think the eu is corrupt and anti democracy. I cant help but agree with them on that.

As for voting corbyn you still seem oblivious that in Scotland it is SCOTTISH labour who run things. Not london labour. Kezia dugdale runs labour up here.

SS45
"Without reading any particulars about the deal, and not intending to, what I predict it is designed to do is as follows: Japan will grow hard industries, which provide the best paying jobs for "regular" folks, while the EU will grow finance, IP, and software, which only employ relatively few highly skilled/paid "hotshots."

A poster on the uk forums provided a link to a letter from the japanese government that was printed in the independent online newspaper. And yep the gist of it is the uk is to provide 'skilled' labour and make allowances to let 'unskilled' labour into the country.

This is part of the pdf file.........

"With regard to unskilled workers, Japanese businesses rely on inexpensive labour from Eastern Europe in the manufacturing and agricultural industries in the UK. If their access to such labour were restricted, staff shortages and increased labour costs could be reflected in such firms ’ product prices"
http://www.mofa.go.jp/files/000185466.pdf

And oi jo i care passionately about Wales. Tsk indeed. And if the japanese get smelly french cheese then that serves them bloody well right.

 gtomustang
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Posted: 7/12/2017 3:36:20 AM
it will be interesting to see how this Sino-EU deal helps Americans sell their relatively more expensive products in either market. If it hurts rather than helps, well, we had our opportunity and tore it up. we'll see how it all shakes loose.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/12/2017 4:23:20 AM
GTO
"it will be interesting to see how this Sino-EU deal helps Americans sell their relatively more expensive products in either market. If it hurts rather than helps, well, we had our opportunity and tore it up. we'll see how it all shakes loose."

You don't really give a fvck about people and jobs do you mate? As long as you can have a dig at trump and anyone who voted for him. That's quite sad.

See the link I provided? It gives the Japanese view of what they want. I can't help but get the feeling that you and certain others on here are delighted when folk lose their jobs. Because they MAY have voted for trump. Quite pathetic actually.

And yet yous wonder why citizens will clutch at anything that rams it right up people like you.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 7/12/2017 4:48:03 AM

You don't really give a fvck about people and jobs do you mate?


Will GB jobs be lost due to the banking industry leaving London?


An American bank with 16,000 UK staff has warned that up to three-quarters of its workforce could be transferred to EU countries after Brexit, in a fresh blow for the City.

JP Morgan could see thousands of its bankers moved across the Channel once Britain cuts ties with Brussels, the lender's chief executive said.

Jamie Dimon said current plans allowed for "several hundred" of the bank's UK jobs to move to the EU after Britain's divorce from the bloc.
But he warned that that number could balloon.

"If the EU determines over time that they want to start to move a lot more jobs out of London and into the EU, they can simply dictate that," he said during a panel discussion at the Paris Europlace International Financial Forum on Tuesday.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 7/12/2017 12:30:02 PM
Big yin

"Will GB jobs be lost due to the banking industry leaving London?"

Is that jobs lost by jp morgan? Sacre bleu.

Would the be jp morgan who invested......



"Two other US banks – Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan – donated £500,000 each to the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign before February when donations had to be declared.

Other donations came from France’s Airbus and Eurostar, which gave £7,500 each."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/official-pro-european-union-campaign-is-part-funded-by-goldman-s/

Or was it this that got you on THIER side? You disappoint me big yin........

So because jp morgan bet on the wrong horse thousands have to lose their jobs? Does that excite you?

JPMorgan agreed to $264 million in fines to settle civil and criminal charges, an amount discounted in return for the bank’s cooperation with the investigations. The bank, which was accused of violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2016/11/17/jpmorgan-chase-to-pay-264-million-in-fines-for-bribing-foreign-officials-by-hiring-their-friends-and-family/?utm_term=.e12c8415feac

I prefer my side to yours. Give gto a shake. He may man up for once.HTUWLU
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