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 vlad dracul
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Yosemite 2
"Why don't you quit yapping & blathering about how bad the EU is, and just vote yourself out of it, and be done with it once and for all! And if the majority vote to stay in, then move to another country that isn't part of the EU, otherwise you are just another whinny hypocrite."

Why would i quit yapping and blathering then? Is this some draconian act that pof forums have introduced to stop blathering and yapping then? If your fed up with it don't read the posts. Either way the eu referendum goes the majority will not win. Add the non voters to the losers and hey presto.

I am voting for brexit. I can't speak for everyone else. See i sort of see this, albeit flawed democracy type of thing as the best option we have until we get electoral reform or true democracy.

We are voting once and for all so what's your point? If remain wins the referendum then so be it. My life is nearer going to the cremmie than to clubs.

Why would i move? Aye I'm unhappy with being in the eu and always will be. Why the fvck would i want to leave my lassie, mates and grandbairns behind?

But talking about yapping and blathering and whiney hypocrisy.........

As for whining your doing plenty of it on the trump thread geezer. And the clinton emails thread. And why are you whining about the 'aid' shermanland sends abroad? And why are you bothering god with loads of whiney things when it is just one question?........

"WTF did you think it was to begin with, if it wasn't about money? Did you think it would be a love fest?
Sure its about money, and there are some nations who have made the EU work in their favor; Bully for them!
But for most of yous useless Gadgies, it won't matter whether you are in the EU or not, as your lack of desire to better yourselves, will keep yous in misery regardless of how it turns out!"

How would i know what it was to begin with? I was a bairn back then. What nations have made it 'work in their favour" then?
Lol 'lack of desire to better ourselves'? Does the same apply to the poor in shermanland then? And what of your minorities over there? They all lacking desire to better themselves as well then?

Lol us 'useless gadgies'? How very snooty and conservative. How very much like the donalds comments on stopping muslims going to shermanland for a while. Just out of faint interest what do you class as useless gadgies? And you do know you are guilty of 'cultural appropriation' by saying gadgies?

Still bubbling like a big jessie because of the donald and some of the things he would enact if he was president seems awfully like some one whining like a big jessie about the eu eh?

Hullo there whiney pot. The names kettle. Whiney kettle.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/9/2016 8:28:19 AM
I'm wondering if this reflects a world wide dissatisfaction with trade agreements in general.

I heard a former chief economist of the World Bank (who also has one of those phony "Nobel" prizes in economics) talking about the TPP on our national radio broadcaster last week. He was saying this is a terrible deal for people; great for corporations. As part of the deal, no signatory can introduce "polluter pays" legislation. We can't do anything that might hurt profits of corporations. It ties the hands of governments to do anything which might be in the interests of its people.

One thing which wasn't brought up anywhere that I saw with that Pharma Bro thing last year - the guy who jacked up the price of a prescription drug 7000%. It was a 60 year old patent. Now, back in the 80's we extended patent drug protection from 8 years to 20 as part of the NAFTA negotiations. But why the hell is a 60 year old drug still under patent protection? And seeing as patents and copyrights are artificial rights anyway - why can't they just be struck when they're not in the public interest? But we can't even have that discussion as long as we're in these trade deals.
 Jo van
Joined: 5/23/2009
Msg: 53
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Posted: 4/9/2016 4:26:28 PM
Vlad,
What are you gonna do, if the UK votes out, the Scots demand either another another 'independence' referendum, AND/OR try to join ("rejoin"?) the EU., as an independent member??

-I only ask, because the vast majority of Scots seem to favour membership of the EU.
In fact it was a major strand of their independence campaign.

As for me?
I couldn't give a shit really.
I like the 'social' side; the laws against (mandatory) overworking etc.
Big multinational corporations seem to work independently of national laws anyway, so I think that maybe strong enough groups of nation states joining together, to pass laws, which seem to work in favour of the environment, and individual consumers/citizens, rather than being driven purely by the seemingly insatiable appetite for more profit, for less effort, so that the shareholders, and only the shareholders, are happy, - might be a good idea.

Mr Cameraman has recently blocked recent some EU legislation, because of lobbying by the 'city'. ( I can't remember exactly what it was now, something to do with banks or financial institutions, following the crash)
Although they seem undemocratic, many of their rules seem designed to keep big business 'held to account'.

If big businesses are now campaigning to remain in, and we do, as soon as it's all over, they'll be moaning about the restrictions, again.

I think the "establishment" here, have always had an aversion to Europeans, with their garlic, and smelly cheeses, (Unless they're holidaying in their 'gite', in Provence, naturalement) mainly because many of those countries are now republics, and instead of having been successfully 'demonised', by the still mainly, aristocratically-owned, right wing press, as it has been here,
there, the word 'socialist' is often still perceived as something of a noble cause, and a compliment.
Vive La France!!

In general, it's 'conservatives' who like to 'push the tribal hot-buttons', of the masses, with words like 'patriotism', 'tradition', and 'customs', as if any kinds of 'foreign influence', was some sort of a 'trojan horse', leading to an infiltration of "our" very DNA. We see the symptoms here, often.
What they mean is; "keep the poor fighting against other poor, (by demonising our differences) and then they won't be fighting us".

I think that's why the tories dislike Europe, because of it's socialist 'undercurrents'.
The tories have shot themselves in the foot, IMO.
They promised a referendum, to stave-off the same xenophobic nationalism, which they, themselves created, for the above reasons.
All of "UKIP" are ex-tories.

Now it looks like there might be a real chance of an exit vote, Cameraman's shitting himself.
I like that.
In general, anything which the tories dislike, is fine by me.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/9/2016 6:26:13 PM
Good evening oor jo
Oor jo wrote.....
"What are you gonna do, if the UK votes out, the Scots demand either another another 'independence' referendum, AND/OR try to join ("rejoin"?) the EU., as an independent member?? -I only ask, because the vast majority of Scots seem to favour membership of the EU. In fact it was a major strand of their independence campaign."

I wouldnt say the majority of scots are pro eu. First off you have the pro uk orange lodge, the masons and those who support the loyalists over the water. We also wonder why we should be ruled by brussels, that IS NOT independence. Jim sillars, a politician i admire and who still holds clout with the socialist wing of the snp has this to say.........

"Former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars has revealed he will campaign for the UK to leave the European Union.
Mr Sillars criticised the SNP's "love affair" with the EU, which he said had opposed Scottish independence.
And he said he had been "astonished" by the number of SNP members who wanted to leave the EU but were not willing to speak out.
He said that the EU had effectively told independence campaigners to "get stuffed" during the referendum campaign by suggesting an independent Scotland would not be given automatic entry.
'Callous disregard'
He added: "Why we should laud an organisation and tell our supporters to vote to remain in it, when it holds us in such contempt, is something I personally don't understand when there are alternatives for us, which is the European Free Trade Association and the European Economic Area with its treaty with the EU.
"I think (the EU) is a profoundly undemocratic organisation which has shown a callous disregard for people, in Portugal, Spain and Greece for example."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-35373757

Oor jo wrote.......
"As for me? I couldn't give a shit really. I like the 'social' side; the laws against (mandatory) overworking etc."

Aye but these are laws we could have introduced ourselves...........

Oor jo wrote........
"Big multinational corporations seem to work independently of national laws anyway, so I think that maybe strong enough groups of nation states joining together, to pass laws, which seem to work in favour of the environment, and individual consumers/citizens, rather than being driven purely by the seemingly insatiable appetite for more profit, for less effort, so that the shareholders, and only the shareholders, are happy, - might be a good idea."

Yes but that will not happen. Ttip is one of the most important things we need to oppose. Yet the eu and most of the governments of europe are in favour..............

Oor jo wrote.......
"Mr Cameraman has recently blocked recent some EU legislation, because of lobbying by the 'city'. ( I can't remember exactly what it was now, something to do with banks or financial institutions, following the crash)
Although they seem undemocratic, many of their rules seem designed to keep big business 'held to account'."

The eu does not just seem undemocratic. It is undemocratic. Funnily enough it is the populist nationalist parties and the socialist parties who want to see financial institutes brought to book. In fact in france the front national were the only party who wanted to nationalise banks..........

"Marine Le Pen lays out radical vision to govern France

She calls for the collapse of the EU and talks about nationalising banks. She sees the US as a purveyor of dangerous policies and Russia as a more suitable friend."
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/21c43558-c32e-11e4-ac3d-00144feab7de.html#axzz45NbWSIID
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/9/2016 6:28:51 PM
Oor jo wrote........
"If big businesses are now campaigning to remain in, and we do, as soon as it's all over, they'll be moaning about the restrictions, again."

I think not because ttip will give big business the ability to do as they please........

"The European Commission says that the TTIP would boost the EU’s economy by €120bn, the US economy by €90bn and the rest of the world by €100bn.
The trade deal is opposed by unions, charities, NGOs and environmentalists, particularly in Europe, with critics previously telling The Independent that negative impacts include “reducing the regulatory barriers to trade for big business, things like food safety law, environmental and banking regulations and the sovereign powers of individual nations,” or more critically as an “assault on European and US societies by transnational corporations”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/ttip-big-business-and-us-to-have-major-say-in-eu-trade-deals-leak-reveals-a6937141.html

Oor jo wrote........
"I think the "establishment" here, have always had an aversion to Europeans, with their garlic, and smelly cheeses, (Unless they're holidaying in their 'gite', in Provence, naturalement) mainly because many of those countries are now republics, and instead of having been successfully 'demonised', by the still mainly, aristocratically-owned, right wing press, as it has been here, there, the word 'socialist' is often still perceived as something of a noble cause, and a compliment. Vive La France!!"

How exactly are they republics when unelected undemocratic elites in brussels pull the strings? .........

Oor jo wrote........
"In general, it's 'conservatives' who like to 'push the tribal hot-buttons', of the masses, with words like 'patriotism', 'tradition', and 'customs', as if any kinds of 'foreign influence', was some sort of a 'trojan horse', leading to an infiltration of "our" very DNA. We see the symptoms here, often.
What they mean is; "keep the poor fighting against other poor, (by demonising our differences) and then they won't be fighting us"."

Yes but the vast majority of the population in these isles ARE patriotic, like traditions and keep local customs alive.........

"Patriotism is not the same as nationalism, and neither should it be defined by war or a hatred of others. It is about identity and culture, shared customs and values. This is the way our society has developed, in its best form as an extended family that can bind us and create unity.

For most people it has little to do with the state, but it does connect to history, and can involve selective choices and myth-making, yet is common to all beliefs. The term “patriotism” might not even be used. Everything is down to interpretation, the weight put on a description. An alternative is to see it as a form of localism.

Nobody wants to see their culture ignored, insulted and dismissed. Perhaps patriotism is stronger among the mass population, where culture lives and breathes, and exists in the everyday rather than an art gallery."
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/01/why-are-so-many-left-embarrassed-patriotism

Oor jo wrote.......
"I think that's why the tories dislike Europe, because of it's socialist 'undercurrents'. The tories have shot themselves in the foot, IMO. They promised a referendum, to stave-off the same xenophobic nationalism, which they, themselves created, for the above reasons. All of "UKIP" are ex-tories."

Yet europes 'socialist undercurrents' are prepared to introduce ttip for the benefit of multi national capitalists. And yet the tories are having a referendum on the eu. Something labour under millibland were denying the citizens of these isles. As for all of ukip being ex tories I'm sure you believe that to be fair, its just a pity that your facts are wrong. Ukip have undermined labours support in labour heartlands. The london metropolitan elite labour party are so far out of touch with reality that working class poor have abandoned them in droves..........

"On the other hand, when it comes to social class, Ukip’s support has become less representative of the electorate as a whole. These days, 43% of Britain’s voters are working class. Ukip’s initial support was already tilted that way, with 51% working class. The figure for recent converts is much higher: 61%."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/17/ukip-support-british-politics-voters-labour-party

"The polling is pretty conclusive: on economic issues, UKIP voters are frequently to the left of the British public as a whole, but their policy grievances above all else focuses on immigration.

But my view is that the role of the media has become a crutch for the left, a convenient deflection from our own failure to convince and persuade. We fail to get traction, not because we have failed to communicate an inspiring alternative, but because the evil old media has brainwashed the public. This is clearly patronising, reducing sentient human beings to sheep or robots, lacking agency and programmed by media oligarch.

On the other hand, Warren identifies “the older blue-collar workers in ex-industrial areas and struggling households reliant on state benefits living in neighbourhoods which have seen relatively recent large influxes of migrants.” A sense of identity has been undermined by the rapid loss of traditional industry; and they feel as though they are competing “with recent migrants for the low-paid secondary jobs which remain”, as well as jobs and schools.

An unapologetic pro-immigration position would provoke backlash from this wing of Labour's coalition, Warren believes, fuelling support for UKIP."
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/11/take-ukip-left-needs-do-more-champion-abstract-idea-immigration

Oor jo wrote........
"Now it looks like there might be a real chance of an exit vote, Cameraman's shitting himself. I like that.
In general, anything which the tories dislike, is fine by me."

I can but hope brexit becomes a reality. Call me daves position will be untenable and gideon is looking like a turkey who sees crimbo approaching.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 4/9/2016 8:55:25 PM

Why would i quit yapping and blathering then?


because you have nothing new to add, and just simply re-iterate the same dour rubbish over and over on all these political threads because you just like to hear (or see) yourself talk.


until we get electoral reform or true democracy.


Gadgie, there has never been a true democracy, nor will there ever be one , so don't hold your breath. The EU may be the best thing you have to prevent the elitists among your ranks from ripping the flesh off your bones. If you think that a non EU Uk, will provide a sudden burst of jobs (for the low skilled) at high wages, then you are as naive as they come.


How would i know what it was to begin with?


Your leaders who entered yous into it should have known what it was about; and if yous didn't first know it then why did it take yous close to 40 years to figure it out.

Yous wanted to be the top-dogs, but it didn't work out that way did it! DeGaule laid down the rules for ya!


Lol 'lack of desire to better ourselves'? Does the same apply to the poor in shermanland then? And what of your minorities over there?


Minorities? Well, what minority group are you part of, and what discriminatory practice have you been victimized by?
You sound like a disenfranchised middle-easterner living in Molenbeek.


How very snooty and conservative.


In the British sense of course


Just out of faint interest what do you class as useless gadgies?


Because little will change with your mindsets within or without the EU, you'll just find another scapegoat to lay blame upon for your socio-economic stagnation, and you know it!
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/10/2016 1:48:17 AM
Yule
Can you show me what YOU have added to the brexit thread that addresses the coming referendum?........

"Why would i quit yapping and blathering then?
because you have nothing new to add, and just simply re-iterate the same dour rubbish over and over on all these political threads because you just like to hear (or see) yourself talk."

Well the solution is simple. Don't read what i post. As for re iterating then that must make me unique on here eh? As for posting 'dour rubbish' YOU seem to read it? And if it pisses you off then all the more reason to post........

"until we get electoral reform or true democracy.
Gadgie, there has never been a true democracy, nor will there ever be one , so don't hold your breath. The EU may be the best thing you have to prevent the elitists among your ranks from ripping the flesh off your bones. If you think that a non EU Uk, will provide a sudden burst of jobs (for the low skilled) at high wages, then you are as naive as they come."

I take it you are clueless as to the true democracy practice in switzerland then? As for elitists ripping the flesh from the bones it is already happening so what will change? No i am not that naive to believe that jobs will flow from a brexit. What i do know is we will not be getting an influx of over 300,000 migrants from the eu every year adding to an already crowded jobs market.
As for low skilled work we have millions unemployed or wages made up by state benefits that is a problem that needs addressed but it will not be brussels who will solve it........

"How would i know what it was to begin with?
Your leaders who entered yous into it should have known what it was about; and if yous didn't first know it then why did it take yous close to 40 years to figure it out."

Eh? Fvck me who is being naive now? We entered a COMMON MARKET. Where goods would be traded. There was no eu. There was no eu 40 years ago. As for figuring it out lol you once again show a complete lack of knowledge of how politics works in europe.......

"Yous wanted to be the top-dogs, but it didn't work out that way did it! DeGaule laid down the rules for ya!"

WHO wanted to be top dogs? Can you provide some examples? DeGaule done what was best for france, as french politicians usually do. So what if he, like you hated folk from these islands?.........

"Lol 'lack of desire to better ourselves'? Does the same apply to the poor in shermanland then? And what of your minorities over there? Minorities? Well, what minority group are you part of, and what discriminatory practice have you been victimized by? You sound like a disenfranchised middle-easterner living in Molenbeek."

I never said i was a 'minority'. I never said i was 'victimised'. YOU stated about the 'lack of desire to better ourselves' i in return asked you to explain what you meant by that. I also asked you does shermanlands poor also have a 'lack of desire to better themselves?
A disenfranchised immigrant in belguim lol. Are you REALLY that naive? Maybe you should read a wee bit more on the subject because once again you seem clueless...........

"The notion that Moroccan-Belgians suffer from widespread exclusion, discrimination, and suppression is ridiculous — and yet completely acceptable among the politically-correct crowd.

There is no difference at all in socioeconomic status between youngsters from a low-education, blue-collar Belgian background and youngsters from a Muslim migrant background. Both have to struggle, both have to overcome weak socioeconomic family situations. In Spain, youth unemployment has reached 50 percent and the welfare state is less developed than in Belgium, yet Spanish citizens aren’t blowing themselves up in metro stations.

The other explanation for the high unemployment figures among Muslims in Europe has nothing to do with exclusion and discrimination. A large segment of the migrant population is doing just fine, but a significant number — some say as many as 50 percent — have not rid themselves of the mental and cultural conditions that have kept their home country in its “developing country” status.
http://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-attacks-terrorism-europe-muslims-brussels-attacks-airport-metro/

"How very snooty and conservative. In the British sense of course"

Of course. It is amazing how many folk over the pond long to be like public school boys and girls. But you continue to look down your nose at folk mate.

"Just out of faint interest what do you class as useless gadgies?
Because little will change with your mindsets within or without the EU, you'll just find another scapegoat to lay blame upon for your socio-economic stagnation, and you know it!"

With our mindsets? As in wanting to keep the nhs? As in wanting decent wages for a decent days work? As in expecting a decent standard of living?
Just because shermanland does not embrace these, as i see them, 'rights' does not mean we have to become like yous.

Shermanland is trillions of dollars in debt, have millions of unemployed and countless thousands in low paid zero hours contract work, homelessness etc. So who exactly is the scapegoat for that then? Democrats seem to blame the republicans and the neo cons. Are they YOUR scapegoats then? But at least yous can vote YOUR scapegoats out of power. We cannot.

Have a nice day y'all
 chinook1111
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Posted: 4/10/2016 5:17:02 AM
I agree with you Vlad.Heh,how about an offshore account to top off things?Will Cameron survive and just how pizzed are people over there?Rather surprised that more haven't been netted.
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
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Posted: 4/10/2016 1:19:08 PM

Can you show me what YOU have added to the brexit thread that addresses the coming referendum?.


I added that there is nothing the F*ck to add, until the voting takes place.
All that has been said is said, now its time for action.
You can post all want for your own ego's sake but all your yap & blather isn't gonna change anything, or anyone to your side or against it.


Well the solution is simple. Don't read what i post.


I can't because you polluted (and trolled) into nearly every major political thread here with your anti-Eu and xenophobic crap. Yous Euros let all these poor dregs in because of your thirst for cheap labor then when they are no longer useful to ya; yous whine about their presence and juxtapose it to your lack of success.


I take it you are clueless as to the true democracy practice in switzerland then?


Really? LOL
What's been keeping yous (and the rest of Europ) from emulating it all these decades?


We entered a COMMON MARKET. Where goods would be traded. There was no eu. There was no eu 40 years ago.


Geezer, You keep repeating the same ol' sheep-shit.
To say your leaders didn't know what the CM was gonna expand & evolve into (and therefore expect profitability)is as naive as it gets.


I never said i was a 'minority'. I never said i was 'victimised'.


Yet you made mention of minorities here in the US as in someway comparing your plight to theirs.


YOU stated about the 'lack of desire to better ourselves' i in return asked you to explain what you meant by that.


By finding alternate ways to circumvent your predicaments within your own homeland; instead of just sitting around in the Pub commiserating with other Gadgies on how miserable others have made it for you; as you have already acknowledged that there won't be a flood of jobs created even if you opt out of the EU.


I also asked you does shermanlands poor also have a 'lack of desire to better themselves?


mostly everyone has some desire to better themselves, but the question is how realistic that desire is and how readily attainable it is.


With our mindsets? As in wanting to keep the nhs? As in wanting decent wages for a decent days work? As in expecting a decent standard of living?


How is being in or out of the EU gonna affect your NHS? Why are you worried about losing it while other EU members aren't as worried? Could it be because your "wealthy" country is spending huge sums of money on useless ventures such as having built an enormously expensive air-craft carrier (the QE I believe!) as though there aren't enough in service. WHo are yous gonna drop bombs on with your new toy!

decent wages for decent work? Is it you or your employer who determines how "decent" your work is; versus that of a new-comer!


Just because shermanland does not embrace these, as i see them, 'rights' does not mean we have to become like yous.


Yous can become anyway you want, as long as your leaders allocate the proper funds to maintain all the things you so cherish. It seems to me that your leaders don't do much investing in their common folks as you would want, and you seem to think that will all change once out of EU.
 Bigguysal
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Posted: 4/10/2016 1:26:10 PM
^^^^^ really tough to ignore somebody isn't it . . . . you need to grow up. You pollute this board with your childish rants and yet I simply ignore you rather than baitch about you. Why can't you do the same to others,.
 Yule_liquor
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Posted: 4/10/2016 3:12:46 PM
^

yet I simply ignore you rather than baitch about you.


You are not doing that now are you!


you need to grow up.


And for as many times as you've re-packaged yourself on these forums, you'd think you'd follow your own advice!


Why can't you do the same to others,.


Why would it bother you on who I ignore and do not ignore; do you have something up your ass that you can't expell?
 chinook1111
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Posted: 4/10/2016 6:57:06 PM
I agree sal,Yule is an exceedingly rude little man.

What is it that has the liberals behaving so badly as of late?
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 4/11/2016 2:54:58 AM
"I added that there is nothing the F*ck to add, until the voting takes place. All that has been said is said, now its time for action."

So does that apply to Donald Trump as well? He is not the republican candidate, he is not president, he has built no wall and muslims are not banned from shermanland.
Yet the Trump thread is over a hundred pages. So why have you not applied your logic on that thread?

"You can post all want for your own ego's sake but all your yap & blather isn't gonna change anything, or anyone to your side or against it."

You could say that about every thread. Nobody changes anyone else's views. So why do you take part then?

"I can't because you polluted (and trolled) into nearly every major political thread here with your anti-Eu and xenophobic crap."

Lol 'polluted'? It's MY point of view. There are posters I disagree with who post many times a day yet I don't think they pollute threads. I've never seen you berate posters for anti Israel or christophobia crap. You are silent on the abuse directed at Donald Trump supporters as well. Maybe your dislike is 'selective'?

"Geezer, You keep repeating the same ol' sheep-shit."

Well he who is without guilt cast the first stone. So does that apply to the christophobes and Trump supporter haters as well? Or just 'certain' posters?

"instead of just sitting around in the Pub commiserating with other Gadgies on how miserable others have made it for you;"

The main thing we sit around commiserating about is football.

"mostly everyone has some desire to better themselves, but the question is how realistic that desire is and how readily attainable it is."

And I happen to believe leaving the eu will benefit us in the long run.

"How is being in or out of the EU gonna affect your NHS?

Because the eu want TTIP introduced. And that is a threat to the nhs.......

"Market access means that any remaining state monopolies must be abolished. These include public services that are provided by the state or by a limited number of suppliers—like the NHS.
It's surprisingly hard to be certain to be sure that any such exemption will stick. It's down to how an international dispute settlement panel interprets what the agreement says.
These typically allow companies that have invested in a foreign country to claim compensation for breach of the agreement in an arbitration tribunal, instead of taking action in local courts or relying on their government to step in.
Including ISDS in TTIP could give US companies a choice of whether to use arbitration rather than national courts to seek compensation—but it's also true that under an unlawful nationalisation scheme they would get compensation either way.
https://fullfact.org/europe/does-ttip-mean-privatisation-nhs/

"WHo are yous gonna drop bombs on with your new toy!"

Whoever shermanland tells us to do when they start ANOTHER war probably.

"decent wages for decent work? Is it you or your employer who determines how "decent" your work is; versus that of a new-comer!"

Customers want jobs done as cheap as possible. Bosses then look for the cheapest labour. The cheapest labour are cheap because they are not very good at what they do.

"Yous can become anyway you want, as long as your leaders allocate the proper funds to maintain all the things you so cherish. It seems to me that your leaders don't do much investing in their common folks as you would want, and you seem to think that will all change once out of EU."

"The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.
In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.
Each year the UK gets an instant discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth almost £5 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £18 billion in contributions.
But the UK actually pays just under https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/million a week

£250 million a week I would rather see spent on these islands.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 64
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Posted: 4/11/2016 4:28:32 AM

do you have something up your ass that you can't expell?


Based on your postings in this thread, I would have to say it appears to be you who has "something up your ass that you can't expel".

WTF is your problem? If Vlad "disturbs" you, then ignore him FFS.
 oj126
Joined: 3/28/2016
Msg: 65
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Posted: 4/11/2016 6:41:02 AM
First World Civilization will organically migrate to an Eastern European Slavic Union. While western europe will decline to sharia , immigrants with something to bring to the "table" will be admitted to a new Euro Ethno State.
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 66
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Posted: 4/11/2016 6:44:28 AM
Besides Serbia, Russia and Romania (who aren't 100% slav) who would want to live with those square cramiumed untermench?
Drunken, divorced gambling scum.
 Bigguysal
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 67
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Posted: 4/11/2016 6:46:35 AM
You do realize Orione your photo is of a mentally challenged person? Who would want to live with you? You define the word ugly, repellent ...in every way possible.
 oj126
Joined: 3/28/2016
Msg: 68
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Posted: 4/11/2016 6:51:45 AM
IMHO , Orione is a "new arrival" to the First World. Personally , I feel he is using this message board as an ESL class. Glad to be of assistance to an identity seeking new upstart to Western Civilization.
 Bigguysal
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 69
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Posted: 4/11/2016 6:55:04 AM
Maybe he is, but his photo could win him an award as the ugliest man ever to post on POF. Now you Mr. OJ. Mr. Clean
Far more presentable and but for your politics, some women might even find you attractive.
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 70
Brexit
Posted: 4/11/2016 7:08:53 AM
Come on sal, lets see your picture...
My pic is of a proud Northern Italian having some fun.

Glass houses pal, go kiss some yid ass. Talk about the typical Yank blowhard.
Haha ESL when its you Yanks and tryhard wasps like you who **stardised English.
 Bigguysal
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 71
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Posted: 4/11/2016 7:26:18 AM
Orion, besides being ugly, you have your hands up in surrender, telling your masters you are a dog...ready to do their bidding. Very typical for your kind. You don't look Italian in the least. Most Italian guys are at least moderately good looking.
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 72
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Posted: 4/11/2016 7:31:56 AM
Someone with no pic calling other people ugly ffs.
A coward who has to ass kiss the yids ... so very American, you do Israels bidding.... kunta
I look very Italian ty very much.... and northern Italian.... not like most of the Sicilians in America.
But hey. its a fun pic...
 Bigguysal
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 73
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Posted: 4/11/2016 7:40:43 AM
Lol. Yea that toy gun you are holding up in surrender tells everybody what a tough guy you are. Why is it the ugliest guys are always the dogs? What you going to do, Rob a bank with that toy gun lolol
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 74
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Posted: 4/11/2016 7:47:02 AM
I'm not holding up anything pal.
The try hard tough guy who tries to lord it over everyone in here... so very Texan.... need your security Pick up or Pinto probably.
Where is your pic again?.... or are you that slag Jewess still waiting for her shower in disguise...?
 Bigguysal
Joined: 1/27/2016
Msg: 75
Brexit
Posted: 4/11/2016 8:00:38 AM
Just a Texas guy wondering how a physically repulsive guy like yourself hopes to get a date with a woman here. Now if you are looking for a date with a dog...well like begets like. After your master gets through with you, try to leave something for the other dog. Lolol
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