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 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 26
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Perhaps mungo, we need a regime change in iran. It's Iran's government constantly threatening the end of israel. Obama had his chance to support the Iranian revolution and he blew it. The Iranian government is hell bent on eventually going to war with israel.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 27
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 12:15:54 PM

The Iranian government is hell bent on eventually going to war with israel.

That's odd... because given the constant rhetoric from Israel about actually attacking Iran... in response to virtually no rhetoric about actually attacking Israel from Iran... It kind of looks like it's the Israelis who are "hell bent" on going to war with Iran...

Iran is not constantly making open threats of actually attacking Israel... I haven't heard regular threats from Iran about bombing Israeli nuclear facilities... I haven't heard regular threats about any bombing of Israel by Iran except as self-defense against Israeli attack...

But Israel is constantly threatening to actually attack Iran... I've heard a constant litany of threats to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities from Israel... I've heard a constant litany of threats to bomb Iran, period, from Israel without Iran ever having made one move to attack...

The way it works in the real world is that it is usually the one doing all of the threatening that is considered to be "hell bent on war"...
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 28
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 2:22:54 PM
Iran is one of the leading state sponsors of terrorist groups , along with Saudi Arabia, and to some extent North Korea and others now that Libya has had its meltdown..but that's OK, Islamic terrorists are lovable and huggable, even as they detonate nail filled bombs and spray automatic weapons fire into crowds of random civilians. .because they come from a religion of peace.
 Onyx49
Joined: 3/6/2016
Msg: 29
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 2:46:23 PM
If there is a war...Israel will not strike first...unfortunately for them, the first strike should be all it take....


EDIT-Below
Then if that's truth...why did OP, post question ?
The United States, does not sponsor terrorist...unless you consider rude American tourist as such....in which case, of course I'd have to agree.


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 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 30
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 2:47:34 PM
Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism. But they're a pretty minor player compared with Saudi Arabia or the United States. Look at al Quaeda and ISIL. These are Sunni organizations. Not going to be sponsored by Iran. The only Shiite group I know of is Hezbolah. And they spend more time on administration than terrorism these days.

edit: Israel has struck first. More than once. Israel bombed Iranian targets when they were concerned about nuclear weapons. And a whole bunch of Iranian scientists working on this were killed by assassins in one bloody weekend that is generally acknowledged to have been an Israeli action.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 31
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 3:16:52 PM
Yes, Israel has killed Iranian scientists, attacked iran with Stuxnet. What it has not done is take out the bomb factories, like Fordow, because Obama stopped israel from doing so. The real question is whether the deal will stop Iran's driving towards a bomb or not. A deal did not stop North Korea.

So israel will do its best to monitor the situation. If hillary gets in, her being anti Israel despite her words, Israel will have to decide whether to attack without the blessing of the US if they suspect Iran is ignoring the deal.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 32
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 3:27:44 PM

The United States, does not sponsor terrorist...unless you consider rude American tourist as such....in which case, of course I'd have to agree.


Say what? Seriously?

Look. Back in the 80's the Contra training manual was leaked. Take a look at it. It was just straight up terrorism directed at the people in Nicaragua. The School of the Americas. Hell, bin Laden was a US backed terrorist at one point.

The United States invented state sponsored terrorism. That's why there's so much of it around now.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 33
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 3:48:50 PM
I believe that Israel made what it called a pre-emptive strike against nuclear research facilities in Iraq..many years ago around 1981 or so
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 34
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Posted: 3/26/2016 3:51:29 PM
Yes Israel has taken out nuclear facilities of both Syria and Iraq in the past, thankfully. The problem with Iran of course is one is a more powerful nation and more likely to retaliate and 2 its nuclear facilities supposedly are spread about its Countryside rather than concentrated in one area making it easier for a precision attack.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 35
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Posted: 3/26/2016 8:35:09 PM
I found the following article at the bottom of the link the OP provided. Apparently Iran did not disobey the agreement of July 2015.

news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-03/09/c_135168884.htm
U.S. says Iran missile tests did not violate Iran nuclear deal
Source: Xinhua 2016-03-09 06:01:40 [More]

WASHINGTON, March 8 (Xinhua) -- The United States said Tuesday that Iran's recent ballistic missile tests did not violate an international nuclear agreement, adding it will address the issue appropriately with "unilateral and multilateral tools."

"This is not a violation of the nuclear agreement," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told a daily press briefing, referring to "Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action" -- the nuclear deal implementation mechanism.

The P5+1 group, namely the U.S., Britain, France, China, Russia and Germany, reached the comprehensive nuclear deal with Iran on July 14, 2015. The accord would provide sanctions relief for Iran in exchange for limits on its controversial nuclear program.

Earnest, however, said an investigation was underway to review the incident and determine whether it should be raised at the UN Security Council.

Earlier on Tuesday, Iran test-fired several ballistic missiles in the ongoing military drills attended by the senior commanders of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC).

The missile drill was aimed "to show Iran's deterrent power and also the Islamic Republic's ability to confront any threat against the (Islamic) Revolution, the state and the sovereignty of the country", the IRGC's official website said.

Earnest stressed that if it was determined that Iran ballistic missiles tests were in violation of UN Security Council resolutions, Tehran could face "some consequences."

Also on Tuesday, U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby echoed Earnest that the tests, if confirmed, will not be a breach of the Iran nuclear deal. However, he warned that United States will not "turn a blind eye to this."

"We have and we will use unilateral and multilateral tools to address this. If these latest reports are true, we'll take them up appropriately," Kirby said.

Separately, under UN Security Council Resolution 1929, Iran is prohibited from working on ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads.
So it appears as long as they are not working on ballistic missiles that are capable of delivering nuclear warheads there is no problem.

I think countries should have the right to protect themselves from other countries.

It appears to me that there is more than enough hate to go around and when you "arm" that hate, you get what we got when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for no damn good reason. Millions of people dead, mutilated, maimed.

I've always wondered why other countries with nuclear arms are monitored ... but not Israel. We all know that JFK was against letting Israel have nuclear arms but after he was conveniently murdered ... Israel marched straight into creating their own nuclear program. Now they stand around threatening to use those nuclear arms to disable other country's efforts to do the same as they did. That doesn't make sense.

The older the earth gets, the "smaller" it gets. It no longer takes weeks to travel overseas ... just hours. Why hasn't Israel threatened to disable the North Korean nuclear program? That could also pose a threat to them ... right?

There's only 8,038 miles between North Korea and Israel. There's more miles than that between Russia and the US (8,881 miles) and they were always afraid of a nuclear war.
 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 36
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/26/2016 11:57:46 PM
White House: Hey, Iran will probably violate the nuclear agreement but #YOLO, or something
POSTED AT 5:01 PM ON MARCH 8, 2016 BY ED MORRISSEY


Yesterday I asked whether we have reached Peak Clownshoe on the nuclear deal with Iran. Clearly that question came prematurely. Earlier today, Iran launched a series of ballistic missiles in defiance of both the nuclear agreement and existing UN resolutions. Iran defiantly declared that they would continue to test their ballistic missile systems regardless of the UN or its agreements with the US. In fact, Tehran turned it into a must-see-TV event:


Iran fires ballistic missiles, tests U.N. resolution
Reuters

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) test-fired several ballistic missiles on Tuesday, state television said, challenging a United Nations resolution and drawing a threat of a diplomatic response from the United States.

Two months ago, Washington imposed sanctions against businesses and individuals linked to Iran’s missile program over a test of the medium-range Emad missile carried out in October 2015. …

Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC’s aerospace arm, said sanctions would not stop Iran developing its ballistic missiles, which it regards as a cornerstone of its conventional deterrent.

“Our main enemies are imposing new sanctions on Iran to weaken our missile capabilities … But they should know that the children of the Iranian nation in the Revolutionary Guards and other armed forces refuse to bow to their excessive demands,” the IRGC’s website quoted Hajizadeh as saying.
When asked about the missile tests, White House spokesperson Josh Earnest says not to worry — they’ll know if the Iranians violate the agreement, so it’s all good:


First, that’s not exactly a comforting thought. Even if we do know if the Iranians cheat, there’s no longer much we can do about it. Iran already has access to $100 billion in unfrozen assets that the West agreed to surrender to get the deal done. Those assets are mainly in foreign banks, the Financial Times reported a month ago, but the Iranians are almost certain to have found ways to get around the US control of banking systems that made the sanctions bite particularly hard. The West could put sanctions on oil sales again, but good luck getting Russia and China to go along with them again. We made it clear that we didn’t want to maintain that pressure on the mullahs, and those two powers will not want to disrupt their own economies for short-term stunts.

Second, as we discovered yesterday, we may know if Iran cheats, but we’re not likely to get the necessary details to deal with it. And this stunt shows that Iran could care less whether we know about it. They turned this series of missile launches into a reality-TV show akin to The Opening of Al Capone’s Vault, only with a much more explosive climax.

The most significant question will be whether the UN takes any action. As Jeff Dunetz notes, this violated existing UN resolutions, and North Korea’s nuclear tests just resulted in the imposition of stiff new sanctions:

The Obama administration claims the firing of missiles did not violate the p5+1 nuke deal. But they admit that if true the missile firings violates UNSCR 2231, the resolution which among other things approved the P5+1 deal. Paragraph 3 of Annex B of resolution 2231 (2015) calls upon Iran not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology. So since the two are part of the same UN resolution one can argue that violating one part is violating the whole thing. Or to put on another way saying that it doesn’t violate the P5+1 deal is a trick of semantics.
Semantics is all the White House has left to use to keep justifying its terrible deal with Iran. Don’t expect the UN to pull the Obama-Kerry chestnuts out of the fire either, for the same reason that Russia and China won’t go along with the “snapback” sanctions. We already signaled our withdrawal, and no one will take us seriously on this matter again.
 albertafor51st
Joined: 3/8/2016
Msg: 37
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 9:49:48 AM
The Iranians are quaking in their boots at the thought of Barry getting mad.Another massive screw up,lifting the sanctions put domestic oil production out to pasture and many people out of work.
Couple of options for the Israelis,and maybe the U.S if North Korea gets too crazy.

The 30,000 Massive Ordinance Penetrator which can only be carried by the B52,so not available to Israel.

A newly developed High Velocity Penetrating Weapon,an actual missile which can be carried by an F-35 or similar aircraft,2000 lb payload.

The B-61 Mod 11,a nuclear weapon with a payload of close to 400 kilo tons, designed to destroy underground networks.....

We don't know if the Israelis have considered building something similar....

If it is any consolation,there is less fallout from a Penetrating nuke....
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 38
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 10:09:29 AM
Israel has always said it would not be the first to use nukes in the mideast, but I am guessing they would use small, tactical nukes to take out the underground bunkers if they thought they had no choice. I guess it depends how much veracity they put in the inspections.
 JustinElle
Joined: 4/11/2015
Msg: 39
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 10:44:00 AM
Israel has the only NUKES in the Middle East, and is always defending itself against aggression, taking more territory from other peoples, or nations as the ethnic cleansing fiasco is seen by the blind.

I love to see those Palestinian children throwing stones against tanks and rifles, and they provide exciting moving target practice. It great to see how desperate people react, how they deal with exploitation, incarceration, humiliation and being bombed on almost a daily basis shreds. They just never give up, despite the incarcerations, the homes being demolished, the land stolen, the beatings. One could suggest its the same defiance the Jews themselves demonstrated in Warsaw and the death camps. Living each day at a time, surviving against the odds. Its a shared human condition.

Israel has assassinated many people in Iran, its state sponsored terrorism and its acceptable as long as the other side does nothing. The constant threats on a daily basis against Iran.

Iran has only ever defended itself, and in the West's sanctioning through providing weapons and poisonous gas in the war against Iran where a couple of million were killed, it allowed the country to divert money from the economy to defense thus driving it into poverty. How we loved to kill Iranians, just because they threw the USA out, and could not exploit its wealth any more. Revenge is so sweet, when others suffer.

Iran has not chosen to go to war for a few hundred years, unlike Israel and their 5 year turkey shoot in Gaza where the turkeys cannot escape as there is nowhere to go in that dirt prison they choose to live in.

Let us not forget Israel is a peaceful nation run by politicians that talk of peace, or is that a piece of this and a piece of that, it;s confusing. So Israel disregards international law as the USA sanctions whatever it wants to do. It can bomb Lebanon whenever it likes and it love it, bombing it frequently all the time. Got to keep those Arabs down, and also in Syria where ISIS rebels when wounded get medical help to fight ASSAD.

But who is interested in facts, when prejudice and opinion are the choice of so many, and the majority always wins unless that is they are funded by the USA to wage war on their behalf in the game in the Middle East of divide and rule.
 caballerosiempre
Joined: 12/5/2015
Msg: 40
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Posted: 3/27/2016 11:49:27 AM
so now cotter is implying that Israel killed JFK..WTF ?
 Coma_White
Joined: 9/15/2013
Msg: 41
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Posted: 3/27/2016 12:59:00 PM

Iran has only ever defended itself, and in the West's sanctioning through providing weapons and poisonous gas in the war against Iran where a couple of million were killed, it allowed the country to divert money from the economy to defense thus driving it into poverty. How we loved to kill Iranians, just because they threw the USA out, and could not exploit its wealth any more. Revenge is so sweet, when others suffer.


The facts tell a different story. Iran has been fighting a proxy war with Israel through Hamas and Hezbollah. They illegally supply them with weapons that are used to kill Israeli civilians.

“Iran has long-range missiles that can reach 1,500 kilometers….The Supreme Leader maintained that ‘every combatant Palestinian group that fights the Zionist regime will receive the support of the Iranian regime.’” -Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, Member of the Presidium of the Assembly of Experts


Iran has not chosen to go to war for a few hundred years, unlike Israel and their 5 year turkey shoot in Gaza where the turkeys cannot escape as there is nowhere to go in that dirt prison they choose to live in.


Israel withdrew from Gaza in exchange for peace. However, Hamas fired over 10,000 rockets at Israeli civilians after this deal was made.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 42
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Posted: 3/27/2016 1:16:58 PM
Justin is a brand new poster. Maybe a reincarnation of Jovan who most ignore? Mungo Joe creating an antiSemitic persona? Irish who doesnt want to mar his irish image on the board? There are too many suspects to know for sure. Or just another israel hater?
 Orione7
Joined: 12/22/2014
Msg: 43
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Posted: 3/27/2016 1:54:12 PM
Nothing wrong with not liking Israel...
Not everyone is American (the land where most are brainwashed to kiss Isreali ass)

You can smell the fear in Yank Jews.... scared that one day Yanks will wake up and realise Israel is way more trouble than its worth.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 44
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 2:06:33 PM

Hamas fired over 10,000 rockets at Israeli civilians

You really do like to throw that around... I suppose the number "10,000" looks REALLY dramatic to you, especially when you conveniently forget to say "over ~10 years"...

But let's just look at that a little more deeply... How many Israelis were killed with that oh-so-dramatic "10,000 rockets" (over 10 years of course, mustn't forget that)...?

The number is LESS than 33... I say "less than" because Israel doesn't separate the death numbers out, at least not publicly... But I'll grant you the ENTIRE 33 just to be a good sport... So, that is 33 people over 10 years or an average of 3.3 people per year...

So, it takes them about 363.5 rockets just to kill one person in one year...

WOW, what a HUGE "existential threat" that is when viewed properly... At that rate they would have Israel "pushed into the sea" in about 2.5 million years...

Somehow I don't think they even need to bother, nature is sure to take its course and do the job, well, naturally...

Oh, and there is that pesky little "replacement rate" to deal with...

What would they need to overcome that you ask...? Well the answer is a lot like the previous one...

Just to keep even with Israels replacement rate, they would need almost 3 million rockets per year... that's 8,105 per day (almost what they fired in 10 years)... Just to keep even... I'm wondering where they will fit 3 million rockets, the logistics seem a bit daunting...

Of course they could just launch enough rockets to do the job all at once... I suppose...

All they would need would be about 3 billion rockets... which I suppose they could fire simultaneously, if they were well coordinated... The real question is, where will they find room to put 3 billion rockets and still have space for the guys to fire them...

Yep... that's some HUGE "existential threat", isn't it...
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 45
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Posted: 3/27/2016 2:11:19 PM
Much more likely israel will be getting far more support. The Muslim dogs causing the mayhem are starting to convince the public that the Muslims have been the problem all along. Perhaps the extreme left on this board will support the dogs over israel..but the general public.. not so much. Sooner or later the world, including, maybe especially israel, will be united in eradicating this Muslim scourge. Stay tuned as opinions shift.
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 46
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Posted: 3/27/2016 2:14:52 PM
And your point is mungo? so long as casualties are limited, to fire lethal rockets into a country is okay? I ask again.. what the fuk do your groupies see in you. I am at a loss. Where is Irish, your fuked up partner in hate?
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 47
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Posted: 3/27/2016 2:19:04 PM

so long as casualties are limited, to fire lethal rockets into a country is okay?

Uh-oh... Watch out people...

"marilyns" off her meds again, she's back to having hallucinations/delusions about stuff people never said...
 marilyncollet
Joined: 2/5/2016
Msg: 48
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 2:26:52 PM
But that's essentially what you are saying. You are excusing the rockets, making light of them, because only dozens have been killed. You don't even know how utterly ridiculous you come across. I've been close to areas where katusha rockets have fallen. But for the grace of god.....
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 49
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 2:32:22 PM

But that's essentially what you are saying. You are excusing the rockets, making light of them, because only dozens have been killed.

Clearly, WAY off her meds...

Probably for days at this point considering how powerful THESE hallucinations/delusions about stuff people never said are...
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 50
Will Israel Strike Iran First?
Posted: 3/27/2016 3:49:28 PM

But that's essentially what you are saying. You are excusing the rockets, making light of them, because only dozens have been killed. You don't even know how utterly ridiculous you come across. I've been close to areas where katusha rockets have fallen. But for the grace of god.....


when is justified criticism of israel anti-semitism? it isn't, unless you're the resident hate spewing spittle flying hasbara troll, quit insulting those that are capable of rational thought

grace of god? seriously?

go wipe your chin
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