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 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 276
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It is so surprising(NOT AT ALL) how the President wanted to redact yesterday in regards to this radical terrorist. But it is so obvious what he does and does not want to "say" and he proved that 100% yesterday in what most people knew all along. And we still have people defending him on it. Wonder how some people can get up in the morning with their head still so far stuck in the sand. Yikes!
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 277
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 2:29:35 PM

Left learners think that anger is a bad word and throw it at people who have expressed no anger because they view it as an insult.



That is just the most rich coming from "The Queen of the Passive-aggressive"...

Could you even keep a straight face while you were typing it...? Certainly you too were in stitches even contemplating posting such a thing...?
 kj521
Joined: 9/20/2015
Msg: 278
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 2:41:48 PM
I agree Mr. Aj. Yesterday's redaction then retraction of the redaction.....was just weird!

Imo......it only made Loretta Lynch look bad. :/
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 279
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 3:11:46 PM

As for Obama, nobody can articulate why he was a bad President.


The U.S. was at war when Obama took over, and the U.S. will still be at war when he leaves office, with no end in sight and no desire to stop being at war. And Guantanamo has been open the entire time, torturing people. How could that be the sign of a good president? Even Hitler was at war for a shorter period of time than Obama. The craziest thing is Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009. If he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, why didn't Hitler or Stalin get one, since being at war and killing and torturing people has no bearing on a peace prize?
 memtoo
Joined: 6/2/2016
Msg: 280
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 3:24:09 PM
He gets it from both sides . . from not being hawkish enough to not being dovish enough. He didn't move when Assad crossed his red line. He withdrew from Afghanistan. He has kept us at war all this time. etc. etc. Nothing he does is ever right. "Thanks Obama"

I appreciate Obama for not being a George W . Bush who started the wars we are in and the wars Obama inherited. I think he should have been tougher on Iran though.



If he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize, why didn't Hitler or Stalin get one, since being at war and killing people has no bearing on a peace prize?


It could not be more disgusting than to compare a man like Obama to a men like Hitler and Stalin who killed tens of millions of innocent people between them.

What the f^ck is the matter with people these days?
 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 281
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 6:39:49 PM
Agree Kj, our attorney general was made to look really bad after the President did what he did. It is surprising that the President wanted to redact what we already knew, like it was his little secret. Once again, proof that he will never say the words "radical islam" no matter what happens. Head in the sand or is there some other motive?
 softwinds45
Joined: 6/9/2016
Msg: 282
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 6:55:30 PM
Home grown terrorist, same kind of home grown terrorist that murdered the kids at Sandy Hook, the kids at Columbine. Home grown terrorist have done more damage than imports or illegals., other than 9/11. I think McVeigh took out the most. He wasn't called a home grown terrorist back then, just a murderer.

Some don't want to say "radical Islam" or "Muslim terrorists" because the ALL get wrapped in the SOME and then idiots want to stop ALL from coming in instead of some. It's just like some don't want the Mexicans in their schools or hospitals but they don't mind them in their fields. So let's keep them ALL out. Seems home grown white men do the most damage, maybe we should eradicate them or contain them somehow.

Head in the sand or being a statesman. Better than head up the azz and flapping the yap.

VVV. I sound like Hitler? Well, the "eradicate" part sounds like Trump and I always said he sounds like Hitler. So yes, Trump/Hitler, the same thing.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 283
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 6:58:59 PM
You sound like Hitler.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 284
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 8:00:49 PM
when talking about Obama's accomplishments versus his approval rating....consider Abraham Lincoln. We like to think he was well-loved during his final years, but....not even close. And yet, long after his haters are dead, we think he was a great leader.

Indeed, what will we do when we think a wall will save us, and instead find as Pogo once famously said, we are the enemy? Maybe finally we'll stop selling fear and hatred in order to win elections, and wondering why people don't forget to stop fearing and hating after the elections are fixed.

ha.
 softwinds45
Joined: 6/9/2016
Msg: 285
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/21/2016 8:16:13 PM

How much of a role are you willing to play in this operation, woman?


"Woman?" What the hell. I'm taking that as slightly condescending.

Your hero Trump wants to stop ALL Muslims from coming in, because of a few. Why not just have the immigration agencies do their job and the agencies like the FBI in vetting visitors, refugees and immigrants instead of branding ALL Muslims for the actions of a few. Lik insaid, if we are going to do that...what are we going to do with the white home grown terrorists?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 286
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 1:56:38 AM
Several here would like tp ban all Christians and christianity forever but did Trump say that he would like to ban all muslims forever?
Or even blame all muslims for the transgressions of a few?

""""""Donald Trump has called for a ban, stating, "Although the pause is temporary, we have to find out what is going on. It will be lifted, this ban, when we as a nation are in a position to properly and perfectly screen this country."

Even those in the Obama administration question the vetting process. People should not forget that FBI director James Comey has said several times that the federal government does not have the ability to conduct a thorough background check on all the Syrian refugees. Just last week, CIA director John Brennan concurred that Syrian refugees cannot be fully vetted because there are no databases available and that ISIS is working to smuggle Syrians into countries through the refugee process.

A poll published in 2014 by the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies found that 13% of Syrian refugees have positive feelings toward the Islamic State terrorist group. This means that 8,450 of 65,000 refugees Hillary Clinton wants to allow into this country could have terrorist ties or be radicalized. """""

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't like the source. But are the facts contained in the statements incorrect? If they are, I would like to know

Obama is already bringing in 10,000. What about the 13% of that?

If you are allergic to peanuts, and eating peanuts could kill you, would you eat a cookie that had a 13% chance of having peanuts in it, on a maybe?
Or because you don't want to be seen as discriminating against peanuts.?

Or would you want to know that the cookie did not have peanuts in it before you ate it?
Nothing is 100% but wouldn't you want to know better than a maybe, at least?
 Justthefactsmamm
Joined: 6/16/2016
Msg: 287
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 3:39:31 AM

the reason the Trumpets want to consider motive, is they want a solution to future issues.


That's fresh. From the contingent that trumpets the endless possibilities of "other" motives. What's your need for a gay-arena motive?


And speaking of security, as Hawking pointed out, the NRA's "good guy with a gun" WAS THERE to stop things, and golly gosh gee, a cop trained to shoot was outgunned. Hmm, there goes that argument, too.


Other than trying to put your political slant to it...you obviously have no clue as to the difference between a direct confrontation with an armed suspect vs neutralizing the threat in an active shooter situation. Totally different training involving the scenarios between an unexpected face to face confrontation with an armed suspect vs stopping an active shooter focused on slaughtering others. Do you actually believe that if the shooter were still engaged inside that the officer would not have made every effort to kill him once he made entry? I mean come on....according to your ilk all LE are just itching to shoot somebody.

Reports specifically stated the officer and shooter engaged as he was coming out the door and he retreated back inside the building, so unless you're sporting a red S under that shirt while you're playing arm chair quarterback you might want to check the political sarcasm at the door in regard to someone else's actions.



Exactly – why argue with something you are?


That certainly explains a lot. Thanks for clarifying.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 288
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 6:22:37 PM
"What's your need for a gay-arena motive?"

>>>my "need", would be simply to follow where the evidence takes one, rather than manufacture things. I'll be lazy and quote Hawkings:

This is pretty interesting (yeah, I know what conservatives will say about the source, but this source is getting its sources from LEO investigators):

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/18/482621690/investigators-say-orlando-shooter-showed-few-warning-signs-of-radicalization

"you obviously have no clue as to the difference between a direct confrontation with an armed suspect vs neutralizing the threat in an active shooter situation. Totally different training involving the scenarios between an unexpected face to face confrontation with an armed suspect vs stopping an active shooter focused on slaughtering others. Do you actually believe that if the shooter were still engaged inside that the officer would not have made every effort to kill him once he made entry? I mean come on....according to your ilk all LE are just itching to shoot somebody. "

>>>Hey, friggin' awesome, someone actually agrees that the NRA "good guy with a gun" makes no sense, along with Chump's similar claim. Oh, what was that claim? well, let's shamelessly crib from Hawking's post again:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-orlando-clubgoers-guns-nra-000000619.html

“When I said that if, within the Orlando club, you had some people with guns, I was obviously talking about additional guards or employees,” Trump tweeted on Monday.

But what did he say LAST Monday?

“It’s too bad some of the people killed over the weekend didn’t have guns attached to their hips, where bullets could have thrown in the opposite direction,” Trump said on Howie Carr’s conservative syndicated radio show the day after the shootings. “Had people been able to fire back, it would have been a much different outcome.”

After somehow getting chastised by the NRA for advocating too *little* gun control, Trump changed his story. Well, he didn’t so much as change his story, but tell *us* (all of us) that we were “obviously” misinterpreting his remarks. He’s never wrong. 95% of the country (you know, all but the 5% that voted for him in the primaries) is just continuously hearing him wrong. He’s a piece of work, I tell ya. And he’s obviously just spouting out whatever he thinks is going to play well to his “base,” but in this case, not realizing that even the NRA thinks it’s a bad idea for drinkers to have guns:

“No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms,” Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, told ABC’s “This Week” Sunday. “That defies common sense.”

Trump defying common sense? Say it ain’t so! (BTW, the nightclub did have a sober armed security, an off-duty police officer who apparently lost a shootout with Mateen on his way into the club – of course, Mateen had an AR-15 vs. the cop’s pistol... anyway, on Trump’s revision, bartenders and DJs are too likely to be drinking on the job to be packing heat, and there’s a question of how many guards does your typical bar or club need anyway, but I am somewhat surprised the manager or the club’s own private security didn’t have guns, because that’s pretty standard. Shooting in the dark with customers all around the murderer is easier said than done, obviously.)

it was very polite of you to make the argument I've made here for years--the "good guy with a gun always stops a bad guy with a gun, so we don't need any gun laws" thing is a myth. thank you for backing me up on that.i wouldn't have imagined we're on the same side. if a cop TRAINED in the difference doesn't make a difference, what does Joe Rambo do to the situation? complicate it, likely. especially after he's belted down a few.
 Justthefactsmamm
Joined: 6/16/2016
Msg: 289
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 6:26:57 PM

This is pretty interesting (yeah, I know what conservatives will say about the source, but this source is getting its sources from LEO investigators):

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/18/482621690/investigators-say-orlando-shooter-showed-few-warning-signs-of-radicalization



Not sure of the need to politicize a link but never let an opportunity pass apparently. Not suprisingly though no LE officials are identified and the only person quoted isn't LE but rather a "terror expert".

But that's neither here nor there.

I do agree with her statement about him being a mass murderer.

What I have to question at this point are the "red flag" precursors for radicalization.

1. Going to religious extereme.

2. Style of dress.

She's basing profile characteristics of documented terrorist behavior based in foreign countries. Which would be expected as that's where the precursors would be prolific enough to actually form as basis for identifying profile "red flags".

Through your own admission there have been only two other "acts" commited domestically that resembled Orlando yet none of those precursors were touted as indicators in any of those incidents. Three cases which would tend to suggest those warning signs aren't applicable with home grown radicalization.

Perhaps the profiling "red flags" have morphed in connection with home grown radicals due to the "Americanization Effect" I'll refer to it as. Again neither here nor there, just an observation.

Take for example profiling a pedophile. Used to be the primary red flags would be that they were seen around school yards, playgrounds and bus stops, engaging with children etc. now the internet has changed that. Even though those precursors still exist they've added another element which is a far larger red flag in child pornography.

The environment in which we exist dictates tendencies. imo

Now I know you're thinking who am I to question a "terror expert". True...in essence I'm a layman in regard to terrorism. I have however compiled several criminal profiles over the years and understand that things aren't carved in stone when dealing with criminal behavior so I'll let my experience form an opinion vs (as bad as I hate to) critiquing a billionaires financial dealings when you don't have a clue as to what's involved....or better yet critiquing a police officers actions when in all probability the closest to enforcing the law you ever were was when you reported someone for parking in a handicapped spot. But I digress.

You have to adapt to changing parameters.

Most assuredly the FBI is compiling similarities between all the current incidents domestically vs relying on global precursors. Who knows maybe being a homophobic coupled with closeted gay self loathing might be a red flag for future terrorist. jmo
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 290
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 6:45:35 PM
@gto
Unfair comparison.Obviously cops working security need better weapons if all the loonies automatically go for the AR15.Right?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 291
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 7:07:20 PM
"Take for example profiling a pedophile. Used to be the primary red flags would be that they were seen around school yards, playgrounds and bus stops, engaging with children etc. now the internet has changed that."

>>>just for the sake of debate....the red flags you mention, may have been part of the "Stranger Danger" movement,the idea that the threat came from strangers. But as we know now, plenty of peds aren't strangers, they're creepy relatives or people in positions of power (priests, doctors, coaches, etc). So, we identified a target, and exposed ourselves via the false sense of security, to other ( sometimes literally domestic. or domicile) targets. Sometimes we screw up when we try to help.


"...critiquing a billionaires financial dealings when you don't have a clue as to what's involved"

>>>oh, if we can be experts on an email server, i'm sure we can look at shady dealings of a billionaire and go, hmm, that looks pretty shady. sometimes, smoke does lead to fire.

"Obviously cops working security need better weapons if all the loonies automatically go for the AR-15, right?"

>>>ah, but what "Good guy with a gun" is carrying a "Concealable AR-15" (would that be the new AR pistols?)? I mean, have you ever tried to match an AR-15 with your shoes? so gauche. The GGWAG is carrying something concealable, b/c carrying an AR-15 around all day is a real PITA. Its like the gun owner who needs his guns against a government that employs tanks and drones. a knife to the gun fight.

again, thank you everyone for helping with the argument. so nice of you.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 292
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/22/2016 8:18:16 PM
You give up so easily gto.The Miami Shootout?

Uzi Micro?Something along that line?
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 293
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 3:12:00 AM
I gather you mean this Miami Shootout?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

led to the invention of the 10mm (ah, if only the Bren Ten was still around, an interesting Cooper et al take off of the CZ-75), and people will always argue its potential against the classic .45 Automatic Colt Pistol in 230 grain.

Did you mean the Uzi pistol, or the "room broom" Micro Uzi?

http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/micromain.htm

Like the Ingram Model 10 or 11, its light weight makes for 1200 rpm, magazine-emptying capability, and its also stamped steel, which made for classic jams in the Military Armament Corp's MAC-10's. Maybe better with a Mini Uzi, more controllable. at least in civilian hands. But its sure a nice little Hollywood noisemaker :) still, a long barrel is a long barrel is a long barrel. More stability for distance, potentially less tumble for the .223 Remington round. but the proverbial "Silver bullet" for every single scenario is a unicorn. Something will penetrate too much, others not enough.

that's where SWAT gets the advantage...they can show up with a van full of choices :) right tool for the job, and all that.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=micro+uzi&view=detail&mid=4E257FAB534572AA18174E257FAB534572AA1817&FORM=VIRE
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 294
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 8:24:38 AM
“What to do with ‘white home grown terrorists?’ The same thing that should be done with home grown black, brown, red and yellow terrorists after their guilt has been proven - we execute them.”

See, this is where you and I have differing philosophies. When it comes to WHITE home grown terrorists, you want to wait until after they’ve already killed a bunch of people before doing something about them. But when it comes to MUSLIM home grown terrorists, you prefer to head it off at the pass by banning their eventual parents from entering the country. Why don’t you want to head off white home grown terrorists at the pass like that?

THAT is what I (and others) are trying to do by fully establishing Mateen’s motives: prevent future mass murderers of ALL ethnicities and religious backgrounds. You will not disagree that nearly all 100% American non-Muslim whites and blacks on the all-time mass murderer lists had some serious psychological problems and if those had been addressed, it’s possible the mass murders would have been prevented, but for some reason you find it implausible that a Muslim mass murderer could possibly have had psychological problems and every bad thing any Muslim does must be entirely because of the influence of radical Islam.

Don’t get me wrong – there are certainly cases in which terrorists are driven entirely by devotion to radical Islam (and that is the one motivation Mateen mentioned during his attacks), but most mass murderer cases have complex motive drivers and Mateen’s doesn’t seem to be an exception (check out: https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-alleging-omar-mateen-former-000000045.html, and, yes, the FBI interviewed him). With most mass murderers, there are points at which they could have been treated for their psychological problems and likely hundreds of cumulative lives saved but instead no action was taken – would we rather have a trial for James Holmes, so we can prove him guilty and execute him (ignoring the jury’s decision on that), or would we rather have treated him properly for his psychological problems at various missed opportunities and have 12 people alive instead? If we apply what we learn from mass murderers to potential future mass murderers, we could save lives, instead of just shrugging it off and waiting for the next one and its “nuances.” Of course if you believe the only way we can stop mass murderers is with a good guy with a gun, then never mind. But that’s not why we *need* a “gay arena motive” – the question continues to be what purpose does it serve to only have a radical Islamic terrorist motive when evidence exists that there could be others that may have had a greater impact on Mateen’s need to “act out” as so many other mass murderers before him.

Trump could have saved himself a lot of problems by simply stating from the beginning that he wanted a tougher vetting process for potential immigrants from countries with a recent strong history of terrorism (not that that doesn’t already exist [http://www.npr.org/2015/11/17/456395388/paris-attacks-ignite-debate-over-u-s-refugee-policy], and to date most Muslim home grown terrorists’ parents came from countries that did not have a radical Islamic terrorism problem at the time they immigrated here). Certainly we should be vetting the hell out of immigrants from Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, etc. because of what’s going on in those countries, but should we banning a Muslim who is a seventh generation British citizen? 10th generation Swedish? 5th generation Swiss? What about Cubans? They get almost no vetting whatsoever (they just need a dry foot!) even though they technically come from a “state sponsor of terrorism” – surely we shouldn’t be eating any of those cookies if the U.S. has officially declared that country has a high percentage of peanuts. We also don’t think twice about letting North Korean refugees in this country even though every other day the DPRK threatens to annihilate us and South Korea with their “awesome nuclear weapons.”

“Who knows maybe being a homophobic coupled with closeted gay self loathing might be a red flag for future terrorist.”

Now I’m going to contradict myself and say that this is probably one of the rarest things that will ever occur and I don’t think Mateen’s primary motivators will end up being considered much of an example for ferreting out future terrorists. Mass murderers, almost certainly, but radical Islamic terrorists, I seriously doubt it. He was a very troubled individual from childhood onward, exactly like most mass murderers – this stands in stark comparison to Farook, who was for all practical purposes a model citizen his whole life and appears to have had no serious psychological problems. I think they’re going to have a lot of problems trying to figure out what they had in common other than being Muslim. Abdulazeez, on the other hand, was very similar to Mateen, with a very troubled life and major drug problems to boot. Hasan seems like some kind of cross between Mateen/Abdulazeez and Farook because he obviously lived a largely model citizen life as a military officer and a psychiatrist but seemed to “lose it” as his personal life disintegrated.

But if there’s anything he, Mateen and Abdulazeez had in common with each other and the likes of Roof and most other infamous mass murderers, it’s susceptibility to radical thinking during times of great trouble, and as Muslims, Hasan, Mateen and Abdulazeez went in the radical Islamic terrorist direction, while as a Southern white boy, Roof went in the white power direction. Farook, again... I don’t know what to tell you. I can understand why his example would scare the hell out of people. But again, so far, he’s the only one that doesn’t fit more with the typical American mass murderer pattern than with the typical radical Islamic terrorist pattern, and with him born and raised here, that’s just scary. (I didn’t include the Boston bombers in this discussion because they’re not Middle Eastern and weren’t born in the U.S., although neither was Abdulazeez. Honestly, I find them as troubling as Farook, because they had pretty good lives and few psychological issues.)

“Obviously cops working security need better weapons if all the loonies automatically go for the AR15.”

99.9% of the situations a security cop working a nightclub faces could be taken care of with his standard issue firearm. In fact, I’m fairly sure this is the only case of a high profile mass murder with a semi-automatic rifle at a nightclub in the United States. Although it offers lessons to learn and as a country we need to continue to be cautious, there is really no reason to overreact to this by installing forts inside every club and bar in the U.S. On Saturday my area is having its annual gay pride parade and people are freaking out over its security (us being so close to Orlando and all), but it seems an unlikely target for the *typical* radical Islamic terrorist (they didn't crash those planes into the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon just because they're big and easy to hit -- which again is why you have to ask yourself why Mateen picked a relatively random gay nightclub in Orlando and then didn't even say anything about gays during 3 hours of mayhem) -- a more likely target for ultra-radical Westboro/Rev. Jimenez-types, for sure.
 Sweet_Danimal
Joined: 10/31/2015
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 9:05:26 AM
I think it's hilarious how much we want to pick apart the personality/nationality/belief system of the shooter, when their mind is realistically the most unique aspect of any criminal, and the hardest to change OR control.

One simple, logistical problem that would have saved many lives in this case would be a rear fire exit near the bathrooms, instead of being entombed in cinder blocks. Night clubs in general are terribly miserable about providing adequate exits for a mass evacuation. Granted, some progress has been done to make the club environment safer since the 2003 Great White club fire in Rhode Island, but fancier sprinkler systems and cameras and alarm systems can't do much good against bullets.
 BeckyHT
Joined: 1/1/2013
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 9:52:41 AM
I believe, in the future, technology will provide some of the solutions to change the course of history.

Technology can make guns such that they won't fire, unless a specific fingerprint/handprint is matched to the gun. This would mean, only the original owner can fire the gun. This is how it would help.

1. In the home, where parents are irresponsible of locking up their guns, if a child, both toddlers and teenagers, get access to the guns, they couldn't accidentally fire the gun.

2. In the home, where a burglar enters the home, if the burglar takes the gun away from the owner in a struggle, the gun could not be turned against the owner, it would not fire.

3. If a gun was stolen, the gun would become useless in another crime, the gun would not fire in another crime.

All of this would reduce the number of gun deaths in America. If someone says 'well, I want my wife to be able to fire my gun', she can either own her own gun (and know how to correctly operate it), or the technology could be programmed to match to two fingerprints/handprints.

It might take 50 years to get there, but this safety feature can be implemented. (and those NRA nuts can keep their 2nd amendment.)
 dragonbytes
Joined: 9/15/2015
Msg: 297
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 9:55:42 AM
Orlando massacre was "revenge," not terrorism, says man who claims he was gunman's lover

Mateen was "very sweet" and liked to be "cuddled," the man told Univision. But he was upset about the way gay men responded to him.

.........................

Mateen was especially upset after a sexual encounter with two Puerto Rican men, one of whom later revealed he was HIV positive, he added.

"He [Omar] was terrified that he was infected," he said. "I asked him, 'Did you do a test?' Yes. He went to the pharmacy and did the test … it came out negative but it doesn't come out right away. It takes 4, 5 months."

"When I asked him what he was going to do now, his answer was 'I'm going to make them pay for what they did to me.'"

https://forums.plentyoffish.com/addpost.aspx?SID=l3cjlec5zuf4nbeg23tun3oe&PostID=16540308&x=31&y=11

Seems to get more convincing this was revenge and not real terrorism.

The whole last minute terrorism call to 911 was cover for his family and his wife. His family would much rather believe he was an Islamic terrorist than suffer the ignominy of their son being gay. They can be "proud" of this son dying as a martyr Vs the same of being gay.

Mateen adds the name of his wife, Noor Salman, to his life insurance policy and made sure she had access to his bank accounts, two law enforcement officials said. The gunman transferred his share of the home in which his sister and brother-in-law live to them for just $10. Mateen also bought his wife an expensive piece of jewelry, the sources said.

http://www.wcvb.com/national/omar-mateen-timeline-days-before-the-rampage/40173632

So IMO he was also claiming his murder suicide was an act of terrorism instead of being gay and angry about it all.

Just tying to "help out" his family socially as was as finically before going on his rampage.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 298
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 10:18:37 AM
Actually, he was my cousin's lover and couldn't accept that she was too old to have kids. Lost his mind.

Oh, and the straight bartender was having an affair with his ex wife, who he still loved, and he couldn't handle it.

Oh, oh and he applied for a job there and they not only didn't hire him but were rude so he went on a rampage.

Wait, wait. He found out that the man his current wife was having an affair with( or is it a woman?) is a regular at that club and he went there to kill one person but got carried away.

So easy . . . .Ha!!
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 299
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 10:32:16 AM

I think it's hilarious how much we want to pick apart the personality/nationality/belief system of the shooter, when their mind is realistically the most unique aspect of any criminal, and the hardest to change OR control.


I agree. Who cares what made him snap, when there's no way of knowing why anybody snaps, since everybody has their own and different breaking point. People are trying to find a logical reason why he committed mass murder, when there is no logic involved when it comes to crazy. This over analyzing is just a deflection from the real issue, which is how could a person who plans on mass murder buy an assault rifle and any other guns as easily as buying a chocolate bar? And there will always be a debate about gun restrictions after every mass killing, which always leads to zero change. It will be a sad day when people are no longer shocked by mass killings and consider it just another event to talk about for a few days, then swept under the rug and forgotten about-if it hasn't reached that point already-until the next incident of mass murder.
 kj521
Joined: 9/20/2015
Msg: 300
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/23/2016 10:58:32 AM
Yikes!! If this is true.....

" when there's no way of knowing why anybody snaps, since everybody has their own and different breaking point."


We can't stop with guns....we gotta go all the way to butter knives!"
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