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 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 326
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Do we want to talk about how many of the people that do these Shocking Mass Shooting Events are Liberal/Progressive/Democrats?

Why, are you afraid to discuss the "white non-muslim" element behind the majority of these incidents in the US...?

You couldn't deflect the point with the "355" number you pulled out of your a$$... You know, the one that was mentioned by you only... You seem unwilling to "walk it back" even a single step... but seem completely willing to try finding yet another distraction...

All, it seems, just to avoid discussing the majority "white non-muslim" point with any honesty...

Now that you've "doubled down" on the deflection, will you now take it one step further...?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 327
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 4:33:10 AM
Maybe because it is as relevant as the Chicano gang murders in California?


Why is it relevant? In terms if what? Which aspect?
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 328
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 7:06:41 AM
First off, the No-Fly list was put in place by George W Bush after 9/11. I personally think that he never would have been elected for a second term but for 9/11.


Do we want to talk about people that do these Shocking Mass Shooting Events are Liberal/Progressive/Democrats? Or the ones that haven't declared their position on Politics, their Families are....


You should have added "religion" in there.

A "mass shooting" is 4 shot (not including the bad guy).

And, why call it "Mass Shooting Events" instead of domestic terrorism? Or calling the shooter a "home-grown terrorist"?
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 329
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 8:45:13 AM

And, why call it "Mass Shooting Events" instead of domestic terrorism? Or calling the shooter a "home-grown terrorist"?


I don't recall American mass shootings being called terrorism previously-at least not before 9/11. Does that mean acts of war by a military force is terrorism if at least 4 people are killed?
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 330
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 9:03:44 AM
^ now you're just being silly.

Sandy Hook was domestic terrorism . So was Columbine. So was Oklahoma City. And more. Some people only like to use the word "terrorist" if the killer is Muslim. Good ole white boys, the majority Christians, don't seem to get called "terrorists" when they go on a killing spree. The Orlando slaughter, IMO, was done my a male U.S. citizen who happens to be gay (bi-sexual) and Muslim.

The U.S. has far too many "mass shootings events" or "domestic terrorism events". It doesn't matter how you slice it or what you name it, other than 9/11, home grown, born in the USA people (mostly white male Christians) have done a lot of killing and wounding.
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 331
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 9:45:19 AM
I know, you white males are so disciminated against. Poor dears. Try being female or of color or have a disability or an accent.

And many murders of abortion providers and bombings of abortion clinics have been done by Christians in the name of Christ. The aren't doing it for Arnie down the block. Lots of states trying to halt abortions and making it difficult for providers to attend to clients and deter those who seek abortions, stalls and bills in state governments, mostly in the south and damn near 100% done in the name of Christ by white folk. So yes, Christians still want to rule and just ignore the "church and state" lines. Would t it be a wonderful world if everybody left their God out of how we run ourselves and our countries. Christians in the US are not indiscrimately slaughtering in the name of Christ ...but they sure as hell are indiscriminately slaughtering.

What made your God have precedence over so one else's God? My point is, we have many that want to halt all Muslims from entering the country because a handful are "bad"; I'm saying - what about the homegrown white ones who happen to be Christian.

This guy in Orlando didn't JUST kill for Islam.

And I'd rather be left leaning than the alternative.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 332
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 11:39:12 AM
Maybe they did it for the children?The carefree ending of any lives is a cause for concern.

Who made you God?
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 333
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 12:26:55 PM
"Who made you God?"

It's a totally made up concept so I pretty much think anyone could be God or a God or create a gaggle of gods. David Karesh thought he was god, so did Jim Jones. We could make up all kinds religions too. Lots of others figure they are "chosen" or near godly.

I'm okay being an atheist but who knows, maybe next week I'll want to be god. I'd like to be a queen but that takes a little more work, it's way easier to a god.
 memtoo
Joined: 6/2/2016
Msg: 334
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 1:30:41 PM
We have no idea if there is a God or not. In the world of quantum physics, far beyond the capacity of any on this board to understand, the role of God or not is beyond our understanding. Hawkins's opinion in the Grand Design not withstanding, the universe only may have been created spontaneously. And even if it was, what preexisting the universe? Did particles truly arise out of nothing. Nobody knows, not even Herr Jovan.
 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 335
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 6:49:23 PM
"We have no idea if there is a God or not."


^^^^^^^^^^^^And you have a right to your opinion. Millions and millions would beg to differ.
 memtoo
Joined: 6/2/2016
Msg: 336
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 7:09:41 PM
And any who think they know whether there is or is not a God would simply be wrong.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 337
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 8:49:18 PM
And all this life came to be from rocks and gases.I guess so.
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 338
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 10:02:07 PM

^^And you have a right to your opinion. Millions and millions would beg to differ.


Faith is faith. Doesn't mean it's fact.

"...rocks and gases." A little more than that. Makes more sense than some guy in the sky made up by men scared of the rumbling sound coming from below...or above.
 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 339
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 10:38:33 PM
^^^^^^^ There goes certain atheists that can't just have an opinion but go on to prove that some atheists are just hateful people that just can not stand those who believe. When I beg to differ that you and mem don't believe, I didn't demean your opinion. But when people talk about "some guy in the sky", it actually says more then what is said. Like you really can't get your hate across any better so you revert to what you said. I know people that don't believe in God and they don't demean, so while we both disagree, we don't make fun of or demean the others opinion. Actually I thought respect was taught by ones parents while growing up. And obviously there are two "types" of atheists.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 340
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/26/2016 11:47:21 PM
Two types? Surely you jest, atheists are as different from each other as are people who believe in religion.
 aj17225
Joined: 1/20/2016
Msg: 341
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 5:29:12 AM
No dayna, no "jest" here, you missed the point entirely. The "two types" are the ones that ridicule and bad mouth and demean millions and millions who believe in God and the ones that don't believe in God but respect those that do.
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 342
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 5:56:38 AM

What made your God have precedence over so one else's God? My point is, we have many that want to halt all Muslims from entering the country because a handful are "bad"; I'm saying - what about the homegrown white ones who happen to be Christian.


Try and follow along the flow of the thread AJ. I know you a little older. And if got "hateful" out of my post, you have an issue. Just so you know, I don't have a problem with religions of people having faith whether they are Christians, Muslms, Druids, Witches, Buddists , etc. I just don't want it crammed down my throat in public schools and any area of government. Pray at home, pray at church, party in the park...I don't care. And just so you know, I'm probably more "Christian like" than most, at least that is what my friend has told me more than once, but what does he know, he's just a catholic Priest. So you go ahead a be closed minded and bigoted there AJ.

And not a damn thing hatful about me, I just think if your going to brand one group for their actions AND religion you should do so with all.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 343
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49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 6:54:35 AM
“I wouldn't call Mother-Jones a Right Wing Conservative group...”

I refer you back to my previous post in which I pointed out that only 3 of the top 20 mass murderers in the U.S. since 9/11 have been Muslim – all the others except the one black one were whites. In fact, only 4 mass shootings in the top 100 of all time have been Muslim – nearly all the others were white. You and Mother Jones are wanting to get into semantics about what constitutes a mass murderer but I think we can all agree that if you’re in the top 20 of mass murderers, you’re probably a mass murderer.

“Mateen was Cleared by the FBI.... It was a Mistake, but he was..... So, we're back to Due Process.....”

What I’m saying is, even if you are “cleared” by the FBI due to the lack of resources but there remains questions about your association with terrorists or terrorist-type activity, your name should be added to a database for several years that will flag you for at least new surveillance under certain circumstances, such as attempting to purchase a semi-automatic weapon capable of killing a lot of people in a short amount of time. You’d still have due process – the government couldn’t necessarily prevent you from purchasing such weapons, but you’d be back on the FBI’s radar. I don’t think enough information has been released about Mateen during and prior to his FBI investigation to tell us whether it was a mistake to “clear” him but it was certainly a mistake to allow him to drop off the radar, yet at the same time, does the FBI have the legal tools to prevent those that are “cleared” but still a little suspicious from dropping off the radar?

“What does that even mean? Do we have ‘mostly white male Christians’ indiscriminately slaughtering in the name of Christ? Because if we do, we're not hearing about it in the leftist MSM; and we know what big fans they are of the average white male.”

Again, you seem to be hung up on religious motivations. So it’s okay for white males to indiscriminately slaughter so long as it’s not in the name of their religion? Are the white power motivations of Harper-Mercer and Roof not analogous to religious motivations? Radical violent ideology is radical violent ideology. Arguably Harper-Mercer and Roof corrupted a non-violent ideology (love of one’s ethnic background) in the same way radical Islamic terrorists corrupted Islam. It all needs rooting out, but conservatives only concern themselves with Islam and explain away most non-Muslim white American mass murderers as mental illness problems, as if it was impossible for Muslim American mass murderers to also have such mental illnesses.

“I don't recall American mass shootings being called terrorism previously-at least not before 9/11. Does that mean acts of war by a military force is terrorism if at least 4 people are killed?”

Because ISIS isn’t actually a country, and Mateen, Farook and Hasan were all born in the U.S., it would be very difficult to describe those attacks as “acts of war.” 9/11 arguably was an “act of war” considering all of the terrorists were foreign citizens and being directed by an organization based in another sovereign country, which was protecting the organization and its members from being held accountable for the act. Even if we wanted to call ISIS a country that we could attack for instigating these attacks, where’s the stomach in the U.S. for another hot war? Again, the Republicans have been in charge of Congress for plenty long enough to declare war or pass a war resolution to take out ISIS, but instead they want Obama to do it by himself as commander-in-chief so he can shoulder all the blame for the resulting American deaths in Iraq and Syria (which itself is a complicated matter since the Syrian government is not exactly seeking American help with ISIS).

Exactly what do Trump supporters think is going to change about our current ISIS foreign policy? He has no specific plans whatsoever – just that we’re going to “beat ISIS” and Obama/Clinton isn’t. Obama has said some things he probably shouldn’t have like “drawing a line in the sand” but rhetoric ultimately doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. Without the American people being overwhelmingly behind engaging in a new hot war with ISIS, the strategy we are currently pursuing is probably the best one possible.
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 344
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 8:15:30 AM

(Msg 356): I don't have a problem with religions of people having faith whether they are Christians, Muslms, Druids, Witches, Buddists , etc. I just don't want it crammed down my throat in public schools and any area of government.


Does that mean you detest religious holidays like Christmas and Easter, refuse to acknowledge them, and find government and corporate ceremonies like public lighting of Christmas trees and Christmas decorations on street lights ridiculous and an infringement on your right to live in a place where there's no religious favoritism? When your kids were in school, did you tell the teachers and administrators that your kids were not to partake in any event related to Christmas, Easter, or any other event that might have religious connotations?
 memtoo
Joined: 6/2/2016
Msg: 345
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 9:38:59 AM
^^^ Only the anal care about that stuff . . . so long as the government is not proselytizing or favoring one religion over another, I'm happy.
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 346
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:06:04 AM
What do you think about this ruling, Jim and BBEisBack?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/27/supreme-court-upholds-reach-us-gun-ban-for-domestic-violence.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 347
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 10:22:36 AM

Msg: 360
Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?


Too bad this supreme court ruling is too little too late for the daughters of this deranged "gun rights advocate".


Texas mother, a vocal gun rights advocate, killed by police after fatally shooting her two daughters during 'family argument' :

The woman killed by police after she fatally shot her two daughters at their Texas home was identified as an outspoken gun advocate.

Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Taylor, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, on what neighbors said was their father’s birthday, according to local reports. A family spat started inside the married couple’s Houston-area home and spiraled into gun violence that spilled out onto their street.

“It was a family argument that turned into a shooting,” Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls told the Houston Chronicle.

Police records revealed that deputies had been called multiple times in the past to the family’s home, located west of Houston in an unincorporated area near Fulshear, Texas.

According to Christy Sheats Facebook page, she was a gun owner and vocal advocate for the second amendment.

"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
Msg: 348
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:24:13 AM

Does that mean you detest religious holidays like Christmas and Easter, refuse to acknowledge them, and find government and corporate ceremonies like public lighting of Christmas trees and Christmas decorations on street lights ridiculous and an infringement on your right to live in a place where there's no religious favoritism?

To me, as long as it's not an actual religious exercise, but more a Holiday exercise with some decorations and acknowledgment of "that time of year" -- it's fine. Like recognizing that it's Easter, references to the Easter Bunny, recognizing that it's Xmas, having an Xmas tree. The problem with doing that though, is religious people going too far with it. Kind of like having a guy drink "just 1 beer" on a Friday night. But hey, as long as it's that, there should be no problems.

Why it's not an issue to me is because when done in a recognition holiday-way and not in a religious way -- it's no different than recognizing open hunting season day, and kids getting off school, and/or having decorations about it here and there, when you live out in the country. No, everyone's not going hunting. But it's so socially popular with the masses in the area -- it's just a mere recognition of how many of the people are flowing... and not a pressure about anything.

But when people talk about "some guy in the sky", it actually says more then what is said. Like you really can't get your hate across any better so you revert to what you said.

Well, it's easier to say on forums, as it's a different platform than at a family reunion -- as with anything about women, men, dating, etc. :) So it's good to put that in perspective. I'm not theistic, and yeah, some religions literally believe there's "some guy in the sky", which is weird. It's not Hate against it. No more hate than a common Protestant against Catholic beliefs, in the sense that they can't see how one would literally believe one vs another. Some religious people don't take it so literally and their religion is symobolic, representing something that is truly out there and beyond their comprehension 'down here' -- and such man-made religion they follow generally follows in line with what 'God' wants and to make us a better people, whether it be the universe itself or our inner self talking to us, whatever, etc., while others resonate well with other religions to do so, when done right.
 AgentNinety9
Joined: 6/9/2016
Msg: 349
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 10:36:07 AM

Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?

Should they lose their first amendment rights? How about their fifth amendment rights?
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 350
49 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 10:38:37 AM

Does that mean you detest religious holidays like Christmas and Easter, refuse to acknowledge them, and find government and corporate ceremonies like public lighting of Christmas trees and Christmas decorations on street lights ridiculous and an infringement on your right to live in a place where there's no religious favoritism? When your kids were in school, did you tell the teachers and administrators that your kids were not to partake in any event related to Christmas, Easter, or any other event that might have religious connotations?


"Only the anal care about that stuff." Lol. Took the words right out of my mouth.

If you care to know, I did go to church as a child. I didn't go past about age 11. I didn't think much about it until later, 17-ish maybe when my reading changed from Nancy Drew and a new library opened up in our area and opened a whole new world of knowledge. I'm a non believer, I'm an atheist. I don't give a damn whether you pray to a god or a goat, have at it. Just don't make me do it. As for all the christian holidays, you know and I know (now everyone on here knows) you are being a d!ck about that in your comments. But see, I even don't mind if people are being d!cks, its a free world. As for school, my children were not allowed to say the Lord's Prayer, I don't say it either and haven't said it since grade 8 when I refused. I don't say Grace either. BUT, I will stand when both are being said (our of respect for those around me) but I won't say a prayer or Grace. I'm an adult, not a d!ck. Back to my kids, two are atheists and 2 are believers, I told them that when they were old enough to research religion that they could then make up their own mind which path they wanted to follow. And they did and they made choices that work for them and I don't criticize them for the decisions they made with intelligence and a clear mind.

Oh, and I will attend a wedding or funeral at a church. I haven't been struck down by a lightening bolt yet so I'm good. And I'm not a d!ck.
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