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 HawkingJr
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What do you think about this ruling, Jim and BBEisBack?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/27/supreme-court-upholds-reach-us-gun-ban-for-domestic-violence.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 347
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 10:22:36 AM

Msg: 360
Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?


Too bad this supreme court ruling is too little too late for the daughters of this deranged "gun rights advocate".


Texas mother, a vocal gun rights advocate, killed by police after fatally shooting her two daughters during 'family argument' :

The woman killed by police after she fatally shot her two daughters at their Texas home was identified as an outspoken gun advocate.

Christy Sheats, 42, shot and killed her two young daughters, Taylor, 22, and Madison Sheats, 17, on what neighbors said was their father’s birthday, according to local reports. A family spat started inside the married couple’s Houston-area home and spiraled into gun violence that spilled out onto their street.

“It was a family argument that turned into a shooting,” Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls told the Houston Chronicle.

Police records revealed that deputies had been called multiple times in the past to the family’s home, located west of Houston in an unincorporated area near Fulshear, Texas.

According to Christy Sheats Facebook page, she was a gun owner and vocal advocate for the second amendment.

"It would be horribly tragic if my ability to protect myself or my family were to be taken away," Sheats wrote in March on her Facebook page, "but that's exactly what Democrats are determined to do by banning semi-automatic handguns."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mother-killed-cops-fatally-shooting-daughters-article-1.2687929
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:24:13 AM

Does that mean you detest religious holidays like Christmas and Easter, refuse to acknowledge them, and find government and corporate ceremonies like public lighting of Christmas trees and Christmas decorations on street lights ridiculous and an infringement on your right to live in a place where there's no religious favoritism?

To me, as long as it's not an actual religious exercise, but more a Holiday exercise with some decorations and acknowledgment of "that time of year" -- it's fine. Like recognizing that it's Easter, references to the Easter Bunny, recognizing that it's Xmas, having an Xmas tree. The problem with doing that though, is religious people going too far with it. Kind of like having a guy drink "just 1 beer" on a Friday night. But hey, as long as it's that, there should be no problems.

Why it's not an issue to me is because when done in a recognition holiday-way and not in a religious way -- it's no different than recognizing open hunting season day, and kids getting off school, and/or having decorations about it here and there, when you live out in the country. No, everyone's not going hunting. But it's so socially popular with the masses in the area -- it's just a mere recognition of how many of the people are flowing... and not a pressure about anything.

But when people talk about "some guy in the sky", it actually says more then what is said. Like you really can't get your hate across any better so you revert to what you said.

Well, it's easier to say on forums, as it's a different platform than at a family reunion -- as with anything about women, men, dating, etc. :) So it's good to put that in perspective. I'm not theistic, and yeah, some religions literally believe there's "some guy in the sky", which is weird. It's not Hate against it. No more hate than a common Protestant against Catholic beliefs, in the sense that they can't see how one would literally believe one vs another. Some religious people don't take it so literally and their religion is symobolic, representing something that is truly out there and beyond their comprehension 'down here' -- and such man-made religion they follow generally follows in line with what 'God' wants and to make us a better people, whether it be the universe itself or our inner self talking to us, whatever, etc., while others resonate well with other religions to do so, when done right.
 AgentNinety9
Joined: 6/9/2016
Msg: 349
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 10:36:07 AM

Should people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence lose their second amendment rights?

Should they lose their first amendment rights? How about their fifth amendment rights?
 60Sunnysideup
Joined: 6/15/2016
Msg: 350
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:38:37 AM

Does that mean you detest religious holidays like Christmas and Easter, refuse to acknowledge them, and find government and corporate ceremonies like public lighting of Christmas trees and Christmas decorations on street lights ridiculous and an infringement on your right to live in a place where there's no religious favoritism? When your kids were in school, did you tell the teachers and administrators that your kids were not to partake in any event related to Christmas, Easter, or any other event that might have religious connotations?


"Only the anal care about that stuff." Lol. Took the words right out of my mouth.

If you care to know, I did go to church as a child. I didn't go past about age 11. I didn't think much about it until later, 17-ish maybe when my reading changed from Nancy Drew and a new library opened up in our area and opened a whole new world of knowledge. I'm a non believer, I'm an atheist. I don't give a damn whether you pray to a god or a goat, have at it. Just don't make me do it. As for all the christian holidays, you know and I know (now everyone on here knows) you are being a d!ck about that in your comments. But see, I even don't mind if people are being d!cks, its a free world. As for school, my children were not allowed to say the Lord's Prayer, I don't say it either and haven't said it since grade 8 when I refused. I don't say Grace either. BUT, I will stand when both are being said (our of respect for those around me) but I won't say a prayer or Grace. I'm an adult, not a d!ck. Back to my kids, two are atheists and 2 are believers, I told them that when they were old enough to research religion that they could then make up their own mind which path they wanted to follow. And they did and they made choices that work for them and I don't criticize them for the decisions they made with intelligence and a clear mind.

Oh, and I will attend a wedding or funeral at a church. I haven't been struck down by a lightening bolt yet so I'm good. And I'm not a d!ck.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 351
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 6/27/2016 11:31:17 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_of_rights_due_to_conviction_for_criminal_offense
 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
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Posted: 6/27/2016 11:56:19 AM
“Should they lose their first amendment rights? How about their fifth amendment rights?”

Good point. Except those rights are limited *prior* to due process. You don’t have a first amendment right to falsely shout “Fire” in a crowded theater or to libel or slander someone nor do you have a first amendment right to manufacture child porn. Despite the fact that the first amendment says nothing about these limitations. So how can the second amendment be so absolute that you can’t limit someone’s rights of that type AFTER committing a violent crime? What if it’s a felony? You think it’s violating a convicted murderer’s second amendment right by preventing him from owning a firearm? Where does the second amendment draw a distinction between felonies and misdemeanors? Who decides what should be a felony and what is a misdemeanor?

The 14th Amendment explicitly states that one can lose his or her right to vote if he or she has “participated in rebellion, or other crime.” The Supreme Court has applied this to other rights, considering there is no greater right than the right to vote in the Constitution – that is the whole point of the existence of the Constitution.

The most interesting thing about this particular Supreme Court decision is that the two dissenters were Thomas (obviously) and Sotomayor (WTF?!). Of course they issued separate dissents that were completely unrelated beyond being dissents but sure were strange bedfellows for a case like this.
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 6/27/2016 9:53:14 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/adding-the-right-vote-the-constitution

I always wondered about that -- why we don't have a fundamental (constitutional) right to vote. But it does make sense, since it purposely wasn't made to be so by the founders, as mere citizens. They didn't want everyone voting. So everyone who worships the 'founding fathers', immersed in warm-fuzzy nostalgia they never experienced -- remember, they didn't have everything you wanted in mind. And voting is pretty fundamental.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 354
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Posted: 6/28/2016 4:27:59 AM
I think more and more often ( not all the time) that perhaps they were right. Only citizen property owners and people who PAY taxes (not get EITC) should be able to vote.

(This is not about slavery or the Holocaust or Hitler).
 HawkingJr
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Posted: 6/28/2016 6:15:44 AM
“What would be an inclusive list of ‘misdemeanor domestic violence?’”

Why are you even considering the possibility that being convicted of some misdemeanor domestic violence crimes could allow for someone’s second amendment rights to be taken away? The second amendment doesn’t say ANYTHING about people losing said-rights for ANY reason. This is all it says:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

It doesn’t say anything about a government being able to take away those rights for misdemeanor convictions, felony convictions, mental illness or even treason. So if you want to get all strict constructionist, even murderers, rapists and schizophrenics should regain their second amendment rights the second they are released from their institutions. Therefore any “inclusive list” of misdemeanors that take away second amendment rights has to be pure fiction, IF you are a strict constructionist. If, however, you don’t believe murderers, rapists and schizophrenics should retain second amendment rights, then you must be a loose constructionist, in which case, this “inclusive list” of misdemeanors includes whatever the public deems necessary for its safety at the time.

But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t claim the second amendment is absolute and as written, then carve out a bunch of exceptions that aren’t there because you don’t want a bunch of people YOU consider too dangerous and crazy to have easy access to firearms. Once you start claiming there must be some exceptions, then the second amendment no longer has any real power at all, as the exceptions will be established by whomever is in power at the time, and if the “majority” (of voters, of legislators, of judges, of whatever) believes a guy who slaps his wife in the face during an argument shouldn’t have access to firearms, then that will be an exception. Your claim that this action isn't severe enough to warrant removal of second amendment rights is meaningless constitutionally because the constitution doesn't say ANY action is severe enough to warrant removal of second amendment rights so simply by wanting some exceptions, you've already lost your constitutional argument.

“I think more and more often ( not all the time) that perhaps they were right. Only citizen property owners and people who PAY taxes (not get EITC) should be able to vote.”

So housewives shouldn’t get to vote? College students shouldn’t get to vote? Low income retirees in assisted living facilities shouldn’t get to vote? People who are homeless as a result of decisions made by property owners and taxpayers shouldn’t get to vote? During the Great Depression, unemployment was 25% -- none of those people should have been able to vote?
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 356
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Posted: 6/28/2016 6:28:33 AM
As property ownership and those people are not mutually exclusive,

those people should vote, if those people own property and/or pay taxes

( again, no EITC recipients).

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The government restricts speech, exercise of religion and assembly every day, particularly left leaning governments. So . . .
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 357
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:23:06 AM
The Founding Fathers weren't enthused about a mob mentality taking over government. Madison wanted the minority voices drowned out. The revolution, like many, was an upper middle class looking for a say in government, not the hoi polloi looking for it. Business owners wanted to pay less taxes. Meanwhile, what was the education level of the hoi polloi? doubtful as good as, say, the 1950's. Did the Founding Fathers want Farmer Guiseppe or his freed slave voting?

left leaning governments restrict speech and keeps Christians from following religion (as it says clearly in the Constition, separation of Church and State) each and every day? funny, I haven't heard that in the last 8 years. I guess that's b/c I don't listen to Faux. or i'm not a mindlessly angry follower.
 norwegianguy456
Joined: 6/11/2015
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:54:42 AM

Only citizen property owners and people who PAY taxes (not get EITC) should be able to vote.

EITC is reduced taxes. You're still paying taxes. And other taxes by being a citizen. So even decently well-off people in NY city who Wisely rent can't vote then. And hard to argue it'd work with owning a condo, when you're not owning land, which they intended (not stock, or a room in someone's house/building). You're owning property space, but it's not really much different than a timeshare. You still pay rent to the building and will be kicked out if you don't pay it.

As property ownership and those people are not mutually exclusive

Actually, many are -- or strongly implied as such. A college student is Rarely going to be owning a home. A retiree in assisted living isn't owning property. So yes, it is.

those people should vote, if those people own property and/or pay taxes

Okay, now you say OR. Okay. So as long as you pay taxes. Again, EITC people doesn't mean you're not paying taxes. Everyone pays sales taxes (where applicable), state taxes, city taxes where applicable, and some federal taxes to some degree. So during the year of an election, one's not paying any taxes due to their rich savings, and starting a business -- can't vote if they don't own property, huh, if you discount sales tax? :)

The Founding Fathers weren't enthused about a mob mentality taking over government. Madison wanted the minority voices drowned out.

The govt was founded, pretty clearly, to Avoid mob-rule. Yes, they did Not want a raw democracy. They wanted a Republic, where a mob could elect a representative to do the bidding, among many other representatives. And on the popular vote of the President, unless there's someone who got over 50% (they never expected only 2 people to run, btw) -- the House would vote on who'd be the winner.

So yes, it's not freedom-for-the-people, nor was it some "underground attitude" by them. It was pretty clear. But, like some people who are taught that Christopher Columbus discovered the earth was round -- some people are taught the founding fathers wanted a democracy with as much power in the people's hands as possible - lol. Both are obviously false.

However, with that said, I may sound like an a-hole -- but I Do see the value in not letting Anyone vote. I don't see the value in discounting Any Type of felon from not voting. But I do see the value in having people of at least basic qualifications voting... as I also see the potential dangers in 'mob rule'. However, at the same time, at the end of the day, given enough time, you blatantly go Against the mob without military force in a peaceful nation -- you'll end up making them rule more than they do. So it'd be stupid to impose things against mob rule when you are against it ideologically, for practicality sake.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 359
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 7/3/2016 11:15:25 AM
Kid named Khan apprehended planning a terror attack in Arizona
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 360
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 7/5/2016 7:38:42 PM
49 dead in Orlando and how many abroad that barely register here.Baghdad,Mecca,Dhaka....
 desertsusie
Joined: 6/23/2016
Msg: 361
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 7/7/2016 9:46:06 PM
More home growns were busy in Dallas today. 4 dead, 7 wounded. Police officers. How sad. A nation of guns and violence. When will it stop? Why are police shooting first and asking questions later? Now the out right murder of officers. It's hard to wrap your brain around it all. Too many dead.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 362
49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 7/8/2016 5:52:01 AM
unfortunately, it was inevitable. To get votes and donations, we sell fear. Demonize the opponent. Create a bunker mentality--its "us" versus those people. Movies show us as entertainment that the hero is the one who grabs the gun and shoots people. Dallas open carry laws mean those snipers could have walked down the street with their rifles, and what would a cop be able to do to stop them? We'd hate to think its radical 1960's again, where groups target the cops as "pig oppressors of the people". Weather Underground and SDS and Black Panthers and such.
 Sweet_Danimal
Joined: 10/31/2015
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49 dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 7/8/2016 5:07:05 PM
There is a photo and post on (American Sniper ) Chris Kyle's Facebook page supposedly by his widow, and although it may be a little too religious in tone for some people, what she states there is dead-on...

Each evildoer needs to be held accountable individually for their sins, and we need to stop fanning flames of hate for a group. We are all capable of evil - as well as good deeds, and it matters not what school, neighborhood, profession, association, or color or creed we may follow. Hate begets hate, and how your kids learn that lesson is dependent on how well you handle the pain.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 368
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:45:58 AM
So just an update:

Remember that pastor who said pulse victims got what they deserved? He just got sentenced to 35 years for child molestation


Ken Adkins sentenced for aggravated child molestation

BRUNSWICK, Ga. -- A judge has sentenced Brunswick Pastor Kenneth Adkins to life for aggravated child molestation Tuesday morning.

Adkins' sentencing states he must serve a minimum of 35 years in prison, with the rest served on probation. He also faces up to 20 years for every additional charge, all to run concurrently.

Adkins turned himself in on one count of aggravated child molestation and one count of child molestation back in August of 2016. Authorities said that their investigation into the pastor focuses on suspected molestation in multiple locations.

Adkins is known for his controversial remarks and actions in the political sphere, beyond his work with the church. After the Orlando massacre at the Pulse gay club, he tweeted that gay people deserved what they got.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/crime/ken-adkins-sentenced-to-life-for-aggravated-child-molestation/433972205
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 369
20 feared dead after Florida nightclub terror attack
Posted: 4/26/2017 7:52:19 AM
Kind of like militant atheists constantly talking about

Religion to convince themselves there is no God or religion is stupid.

I get that.
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 370
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Posted: 4/26/2017 7:58:18 AM
^^^aww how cute Dee is defending a child molester.
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