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 arsesukingmods22
Joined: 9/24/2016
Msg: 451
Caligula duck is a FraudPage 19 of 22    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22)
No question there are issues . . . but I don't think I am the one who has issues trying to think for myself. Higher level economics is a very complex subject. You are in no position to say what is going to cause a huge economic holocaust except for what you have read in an economic collapse book somewhere. You are hardly thinking for yourself. And the truth is, these guys have almost always been wrong. But they were almost right in late 2008. Almost right is not good enough though.
 arsesukingmods22
Joined: 9/24/2016
Msg: 452
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/27/2016 10:51:05 AM
Why do I get the feeling Billy and believe are the same posters?
 billybonds
Joined: 8/8/2014
Msg: 453
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/27/2016 11:33:22 AM





"no one even talks about Austrian economists. Because it doesn't bestow power on anyone to fix anything "

So intelligent.
 Butterchickenchuck
Joined: 9/18/2015
Msg: 454
Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 12:18:49 PM
The debate last night wasn't nearly as entertaining as I'd hoped it'd be.


What a let down !
 45325azz7wipe533mods2244
Joined: 9/24/2016
Msg: 455
Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 2:04:46 PM
I suppose it depends if you have any interest in the election. I was fascinated by the Trump takedown by Hillary . . . his ranting and fuming and sniffing. He knew what was coming and could still do nothing to stop it.
 JS3344
Joined: 2/12/2013
Msg: 456
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Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 2:43:50 PM
4 to 8 more years of democratic rule will be devastating, and Trump is an idiot, yay, what a choice. After all the outrageous quotes, ect....I thought Trump would finally use this stage, this moment, to talk sense to the American people and blow her out of the water.....but no, all we got was a defensive little girl. A smart man would not stoop to weak political tactics.....and that was what he had going for him, not a politician, but he goes and plays their game anyway, that was beyond stupid for a supposed savvy businessman.
Having said that, I had a realization as the crap was flying back and forth.......that this election, is about money, not politics, to fix all the major issues, will be about sorting and re-configuring money globally.......so maybe throwing the monkey wrench is the thing to do, but for sure, he is a fraud, and god help him when they show those tax returns.
 hjf8nutmodssuck2
Joined: 9/24/2016
Msg: 457
Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 2:50:37 PM
^^^^ All due respect, but if you did not before last night see exactly what and who Trump was, and know how he was going to perform against a Woman far smarter than he is, than you either are not the brightest yourself or simply have not been paying attention. A man like Trump . . . a horrid personality . . . cannot hide what he is if provoked, and Hillary knew exactly how to push his buttons.

What a realization that this election is about "money". What the heck drives the world? Do you think Trump surrogates acting as stupid as they act, are doing so for anything other than money, recognition and power? Do you think Money has not been the main issue behind most political movements?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 458
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/27/2016 3:04:59 PM

When Clinton repealed Glass Steagall


Doncha just love conservative revisionism???

Glass Steagall was replaced by the bipartisan Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which was signed into law in 1999 AFTER passing in the senate 90-8 and the house 362-57....veto proof majorities....(waddaidiot)
 Yule_liquor
Joined: 12/7/2011
Msg: 459
Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 7:44:19 PM

I thought Trump would finally use this stage, this moment, to talk sense to the American people and blow her out of the water.....but no, all we got was a defensive little girl. A smart man would not stoop to weak political tactics.....and that was what he had going for him, not a politician, but he goes and plays their game anyway, that was beyond stupid for a supposed savvy businessman.


The tactic used by Hillary is actually a POLITICAL version of "rope a dope"!
Hence, HC gave Trump enough "rope" to "hang" himself!

Although Trump was on the offensive and doing "okay" for the 1st 1/2 Hr or so; he gradually imploded when HC put the focus on him. He was not able to evade & deflect effectively and his come-backs were awkward at best (idiotic at worst). The ONLY GOOD come-back he had was when HC brought up the issue of releasing his tax returns, and replied aptly that he would do so when she releases the 30K e-mails she deleted! But that was it for Trump!

evading & deflecting (as HC also did) does NOT necessarily require telling the truth, it just means saying something that sounds smooth & plausible!

Examples:
--HC brings up issue of Trump stiffing his contractors.
His reply should have been: "those few that I did not pay did not do the right job"...and leave it at that!

--HC brings up the DOJ ruling on Trump's housing discrimination
His reply should have been " I now realize it was wrong, and measures were taken to correct that problem"

--HC brings up Trumps support of Iraq war
His reply should have been " I may have supported it long ago, but only upon installing another Pro-US dictator in place of Saddam"

Instead of remaining verbally "nimble" Trump got snared in his own disorganized babble in which he sounded semi-incoherent! IMO, he was ill-prepared AND ill-coached! A case of all offense and NO defense!

In the latter half, she was playing him like a cheap fiddle, and all Hillary had to do is keep her cool, because he got so flustered that he could no longer mount a coherent attack!

Text book "rope a dope"!

I didn't think he'd easily win the debate, but I though he woulda been far better prepared, and stay respectably close!
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 460
Donald Trump is a Broad Thread
Posted: 9/27/2016 8:19:36 PM
The mincing that you people do to make a non-truth true in your mind is very interesting.

"""Speaking of Iraq, Trump said, "Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know. He's under a lot of pressure. I think he's doing a very good job. But, of course, if you look at the polls, a lot of people are getting a little tired. I think the Iraqi situation is a problem. And I think the economy is a much bigger problem as far as the president is concerned."

Trump seems to be skeptical of the mission in Iraq here, and he said the economy should be a higher priority. But he did not say anything that resembles his claim that Bush should not proceed because a war would "destabilize the Middle East."

A single, squishy comment about the looming war does not qualify as "loud and clear" opposition. (i.e., "Yeah, but . . .) """



THEN

"""“When I was really young (27) , I went into my father's company, we along with many, many, many other companies, throughout the country, it was a federal lawsuit, were sued. We settled the suit with zero — no admission of guilt. It was very easy to do. But they sued many people.” — Donald Trump
Trump is correct to state that he and his father never admitted wrongdoing, though they did submit to a court order changing their rental practices — only after accusing the Justice Department of “gestapo tactics” and a failed countersuit against the government agency.
Trump is also correct that his family business was not the only one sued for discriminatory practices.

But he is disingenuous in claiming his suit was unexceptional. It was, and still is, one of the biggest lawsuits ever brought by the Justice Department for housing discrimination against black people. ( i.e., "Yeah, but . . .) """""

So................
So keep mincing to prove a nontruth true - to yourselves.

"Yeah, but . . . ."

You are as bad as the CLINTON EMAIL and CLINTON SERVERS harping people.
All nonsense.


Goodnight.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 461
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 5:00:23 AM

When Clinton repealed Glass Steagall, all that did was allow commercial banks to affiliate with investment banks. That had no bearing on anything.


I beg to differ. By allowing banks to become banking/investment/insurance firms, a few negative things happened. First, banks are by definition suppose to be safe places to place ones money-GLBA allowed banks to engage in risky behavior in partnership with their investment arms (eg. subprime mortgage financial crisis.) Second, banks consolidating with financial and insurance firms did become "Too Big to Fail."
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 462
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 5:53:41 AM
Even the larouche people have a thought on Glass Steagall:

https://larouchepac.com/20160828/did-you-know-glass-steagall-would-have-prevented-aig-blowout

For those who don't remember AIG's part in the last bubble, AIG was an insurance organization that claimed to be covering all the overreach of mortgage loans, but when banks came asking for their money back, AIG had none of it...and thus the fall began.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_International_Group
 cty64f5hu7g
Joined: 9/20/2016
Msg: 463
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 8:22:50 AM
Dan Rather:

Ladies and gentlemen, whatever civility once existed in our politics is tonight officially dead. Never in the history of televised debates have we witnessed such a show. And that’s what the Donald wanted. A show. He got it, but will he be seen as the hero or the villain?

If you are a fan of Hillary Clinton, I suspect you are thrilled with her poised and confident performance. Perhaps her crowning line was “I prepared for this debate and I'm prepared to be President”. If you are a fan of Donald Trump, his quarrelsome, no-holds-barred approach, often facts be damned, will likely in turn have thrilled you. The question is what does everybody else watching think and how many impressionable voters remain?

Taking a snapshot of the debate stage this evening, two candidates behind podiums, each representing one of the major political parties, it would seem to be the latest chapter in our quadrennial dance with democracy. But experiencing the event, in sound and motion, it was of course anything but.

From the very beginning, the body language tonight was striking. HIllary Clinton, the first woman ever to be on this stage was calm and substantive. Donald Trump interrupted often and slouched and sneered as he turned to address her. This is what Trump’s fans like about him, playing the alpha male at all costs. Clinton seemed completely unflustered, which is what her fans love about her. How this all plays to the majority of viewers and voters at home will be in the eyes of the beholder.

But I was surprised by how much this man who has made so much of the means of television spent not looking into the camera, but preoccupied with his adversary. Trump came across as amped, a pacing tiger ready to pounce on every answer. His Interruptions suggests little regard to the rules. He’s itching for a fight...Wants to swing wildly.

At one point early in the debate Clinton, after multiple factually questionable assertions by Trump said, "I have a feeling by the end of this debate I'll be blamed for everything that ever happened," Clinton said. Trump replied, “Why not?” That about summed it up.

Clinton clearly wanted to get under Trump’s skin. She attacked him for getting a hefty amount of money from his dad, challenging the narrative that he was a self-made man. And then attacking his business practices. The headline she was aiming for is Donald the Deadbeat. And then on the issue of Trump’s unreleased tax returns, when Clinton says that was because he may not have paid any taxes, Trump responded, “that makes me smart.” Expect to hear more about this.

Clinton was clearly the policy expert, nimbly jumping from topic to topic, policy to policy. But she was also much more able to paint a big picture than I have seen in times past. I thought she was particularly effective on the issue of race and especially the birther lie against President Obama. She had the facts on her side, but also it was an effective appeal to fire up her base.

In the end, more than all of the specifics, I was struck by how unprecedented was the overall tenor - matching that of the campaign. We once held certain truths to be "self-evident" - that "all men are created equal" and "they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." These were the lofty ideals that served as a rallying cry for the founders of these United States to choose liberty over tyranny. The man who wrote these words, Thomas Jefferson, and his compatriots were imperfect and in some cases deeply flawed men. Yet their idealism fixed a North Star in our democratic firmament that has guided our ship of state ever since, with some very noted moral detours. Now I fear that the tide of progress is rapidly receding with the fierce undertow of a looming tsunami.

Our Founders believed in reason and the power of intellect. Donald Trump made clear tonight by his wilful ignorance of important issues that he does not. Our founders feared the accumulation of power, they loathed vanity, and tried to build in protections against the demagogues who would appeal to mankind's basest instincts. Donald Trump relishes in all of these impulses. For him they are instinctual and a prescription for success.

To call Trump a con man, as many have, is a disservice to the art of the con. By its definition a con requires deceit. But Trump has not tried to hide his lies or the sheer unrealistic audacity of his cartoonish policy positions. He has asked the American people to bet on him. The fact checkers will certainly weigh in. The pundits will have their say. But the voters have all the information they need. The judgement is in their - or more accurately our - hands.
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
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Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 1:26:00 PM
I know Dan Rather ,,dan rather is my friend ,,,you donald trump ,,,,are no Dan Rather
 razors_edge55
Joined: 11/25/2013
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Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 3:04:03 PM
always nice to see 109 year old dudes posting ,,,does that make you credible ?????
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 467
Caligula duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/28/2016 10:22:41 PM
There is a new exclusive story uncovered by Newsweek, about to hit the stands tomorrow morning.

A Castro Connection? Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts violating the American embargo and secretly conducting business with Castro in Cuba?

Comrade Trump doing illegal business in Cuba? Who’s the corrupt candidate again?


New Bombshell Report Shows Trump Had Illegal Business Ties With Communist Cuba :

The damning report is just the latest when it comes to Trump's shady financial dealings.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/28/bombshell-report-shows-trump-illegal-business-ties-communist-cuba.html
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 468
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 5:40:49 AM

How Donald Trump's Company Violated the United States Embargo Against Cuba :

A company controlled by Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president, secretly conducted business in communist Cuba during Fidel Castro’s presidency despite strict American trade bans that made such undertakings illegal, according to interviews with former Trump executives, internal company records and court filings.

http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-cuban-embargo-castro-violated-florida-504059
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 469
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 8:34:40 AM
^^^Let's hear from the Trump supporters who will parrot the standard response: "What about Hillary's emails?"
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 470
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 9:55:27 AM
...and that's why the Trumpets love him. He shares the same debating tactics and thought processes and habits as they have. It isn't seen as a red flag, when you wave it yourself.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 471
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 12:27:48 PM
""""""Trump-owned company appears to have violated the U.S. embargo by paying an American consulting firm tens of thousands of dollars to make inroads in the communist country at a time when Washington was considering loosening or lifting the trade restrictions against it."""""


""""Some dispute the veracity of the suggestion of impropriety in Eichenwald’s piece. According to a post on Capitol Hill Cubans, a blog edited by Mauricio Claver-Carone, the executive director of Cuba Democracy Advocates, there is no evidence Trump directly transacted business with the Cuban government.

“However, Trump never transacted business with the Castro regime, as the Newsweek article claims. To the contrary, Trump concluded that those who seek to do business with the Castro regime were mistaken.”"""""

So . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .what?
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 472
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 2:45:59 PM

A company controlled by Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for president, secretly conducted business in communist Cuba during Fidel Castro’s presidency despite strict American trade bans that made such undertakings illegal


So much for Trump's claim that he will bring back and create jobs in America. How about first starting with his own companies that are outside of the United States? Bring them all back to the U.S. to create jobs for Americans. I have a feeling Trump is not in favor of this, and likes them just where they are now-outside of United States. That probably has to do with his statement that not paying taxes makes him smart. Everybody should stop paying taxes, and when questioned by the IRS, the claim should be that makes them smart. Who wants to see dumb Americans?
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 473
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 5:33:58 PM
"Trump-owned company appears to have violated the U.S. embargo by paying an American consulting firm tens of thousands of dollars to make inroads in the communist country at a time when Washington was considering loosening or lifting the trade restrictions against it"


Msg: 493
So . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . .what?


If proven to be true that Trump was doing business with Fidel Castro, without major Cuban-American support could single-handedly turn Florida to Hillary Clinton.
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 474
Donald Trump is a Fraud Thread
Posted: 9/29/2016 7:32:29 PM

^^^Let's hear from the Trump supporters who will parrot the standard response: "What about Hillary's emails?"

No, no, no... Haven't you heard...?

The "new talking point" is... "What about Bill's cheating?"...
 flman2015
Joined: 10/3/2015
Msg: 475
Repugnant duck is a Fraud
Posted: 9/29/2016 8:33:09 PM


The CPI went from 47 in 1864 to 25 in 1901, and it remained flat around 27 until the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. Yes, that means consumer prices were nearly cut in half over a 50 year period.

https://www.minneapolisfed.org/community/teaching-aids/cpi-calculator-information/consumer-price-index-1800


Using the link you gave, it is fairly obvious to just about anyone that CPI means nothing by itself as far as how well an economy is doing. The years when CPI fell most drastically are 1931, 1932 and 1933 (in case you don't know, those were not particularly good years for the U.S economy.) Making correlations between CPI alone and the health of an economy is meaningless. The _reasons_ for the change in CPI are the important factor, not the CPI itself.

Note: I brought up 1931, 32 and 33 since most people know U.S history for those years. I'll let you check how well the U.S was doing when the CPI dropped other years, pre-1931. Hint: Teddy Rooselvet's face isn't carved on Mt Rushmore for no reason.

In addition to that, a reasonably representative yet still quite deficient, computation of CPI only came about in 1913. The computation of the CPI before that, particularly before 1900, left, to put it kindly, something to be desired. The pre-1900 "CPI" is hardly comparable to post-1913 CPI. Get more information from the U.S department of labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

About its history...

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2014/article/the-first-hundred-years-of-the-consumer-price-index-1.htm

About the CPI and what it reflects... (in Q/A form)

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htm

It is completely misguided to think or believe that deflation and the corresponding CPI drop is always good for an economy. The reality is, it very rarely is (see the links I posted originally for the rare case when deflation is good). Deflation is the last thing the U.S economy needs at this time. Anyone with an iota of economics knowledge realizes that.




there is no evidence Trump directly transacted business with the Cuban government.


It would have been surprising if the deplorables had not come up with some deceit and dishonesty to lay on the newsweek article. It is _true_ that repugnant duck didn't transact business directly with the Cuban government, the article does not claim he did as that deceitful statement above implies, he did it through Seven Arrow Investments and that, at the time, was just as illegal as doing it directly.

He lied to the Cuban community in Florida about it but, repugnant duck lying is hardly news anymore. It would be news if he told a truth.

Very unfortunate that the statute of limitations on those actions has expired but, that makes deplorables happy, their repugnant fool got away with breaking the law and they love it and admire it.




No, no, no... Haven't you heard...?

The "new talking point" is... "What about Bill's cheating?"...


They are talking about it again because that's when America was great ;-)
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