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 LLove2LaughToo
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Msg: 51
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Msg: 25
I don’t understand how some of the Trump supporters in this thread (particularly those I respect, or once respected) can’t see this in him – these guys aren’t condemning him to save their hides, they’re doing it because they think he’s (at least acting like) a horrible human being. Even if some are supporting him for reasons other than “being angry,” how can you not see that he’s saying racist, xenophobic and repugnant things and pandering to the lowest common denominator? If you don’t think you’re angry, if you don’t think you’re racist, if you don’t think you’re xenophobic, I think you need to take a long look at yourself and ask, what kind of man am I so enthusiastic about and truly why?



Msg: 42
What is it with Trumpians and conspiracy theories? Why are you so drawn to such nonsense? Every Trump criticism is a conspiracy, every poll in which Trump is doing bad is a conspiracy (as opposed to all the GOP primary polls that showed him winning – which, you know, were conducted by the same companies) – do you just live your whole life by conspiracies? Is everything that happens with your friends and family a conspiracy?


I noticed none of the Master Fraudster followers have answered your questions. I wonder why that is.
 NotGorshkovAgain
Joined: 4/29/2009
Msg: 52
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:00:33 AM
@chinook1111:


The Russians have three sectors of electronic surveillance and

As a former operator and analyst, could you please tell me WTF that means?

IIRC,they preceded the Americans in this field.

Ummm ........ no. not by a long shot. And Soviet (KGB/GRU) specialty was HUMINT, of all types and varieties. SIGINT/COMINT has always been their weak point.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 53
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Posted: 6/29/2016 5:57:53 AM
@notgorshkov
Sorm 1
Sorm 11
Sorm 111
Some sites say 80s,I recall late 90s.


Seven agencies in total that can intercept?
 duracell_bunny_one
Joined: 1/21/2015
Msg: 54
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:24:18 AM
So you got it off Google -
it's only what GCHQ do on a day to day basis.....

 HawkingJr
Joined: 4/16/2007
Msg: 55
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:28:25 AM
“Who said that? ‘Will’ used to talk about what is going to happen in the future."

I’m pretty sure she’s referring to the fact that people accused of fraud generally are not the world’s greatest fraud fighters. Now if Erin Brockovich were running for president and SHE said she was going to fight fraud, we’d have good reason to believe she was going to follow through. But if Bernie Madoff was running for president and said he was going to fight fraud, would you believe him? Would you even want him to be the person in charge of fighting fraud? Of course not. Then why the heck would you believe Trump or want him to be the person in charge of fighting fraud? He’s one unanimous jury decision away from being convicted of fraud! (None of this is to say Clinton’s in any much better position to be a fraud fighter, but most people supporting her aren’t doing so because of her fraud fighting skills. Believing Trump would be a great fraud fighter is like believing Clinton would be a great IT director.)

“It is not surprising that democratic leaders and Republican heads and power brokers are losing their minds about Donald Trump. More than anything, they see him as the end of the gravy train. They all ride the SAME gravy train.”

If there’s anything that will trip up Clinton, it’s not the emails or Benghazi or her husband’s impeachment or her personality or questions about her honesty, but this attitude right here. Because that’s exactly the same thing I’m hearing out of Bernie Sanders supporters who refuse to support Clinton (and a few of which are thinking about voting for Trump even though they mostly believe he’s a racist, xenophobic idiot). It’s not a liberal vs. conservative thing – it’s an “us” vs. “them” thing, the 99% vs. the 1%, the outsiders vs. the establishment, and somebody from outside the establishment needs to come in and shake it up.

Trump, of course, is no “outsider” as one of America’s leading political campaign contributors (including to Clinton!) and he’s certainly part of the 1%, but somehow none of that matters, just because he’s never held elective office and has some Sanders-like rhetoric. I don’t know if anyone’s ever noticed this before, but pretty much every “outsider” that gets elected to anything quickly becomes as corrupt as the rest of the system. Sanders may be close to an exception but it’s difficult to imagine why ANYONE would believe Trump would be an exception, considering his business practices are pretty corrupt and he’s been caught in a considerable amount of lies, contradictions and inconsistencies. That’s pretty much the profile of an eventual gravy train politician. I mean, the guy keeps taking extended breaks from his campaign to open golf courses – what do you think his priority is, the American people or his business?

All that said, the vast majority of his Republican detractors are obviously doing so for reasons other than concerns about the gravy train. If it was an establishment thing, most of them would be supporting Clinton, but they’re not – they’re just refusing to be associated with Trump. That’s known as “integrity,” which is a concept highly foreign to Trump and most of his supporters.

“Pssst! I can't! I have been given a gag order from Markus, himself. Apparently, my behavior is offensive.”

How could you possibly have a gag order from Markus? Although many don’t agree with your political views, you’ve certainly never said anything remotely offensive or belligerent. I’m one of the most hated posters in POF forums history and have never received a warning from the site itself. (Now I certainly received a bunch of moderator warnings and a couple of outright bans back in the moderator days, but they weren’t employees of the site, just a bunch of hall monitors run amuck.)

“I noticed none of the Master Fraudster followers have answered your questions. I wonder why that is.”

When presented with facts, the lie-us trumpus drops from its threatening posture and retreats into the deepest recesses of its habitat, hiding camouflaged in the flora until another opportunity for a sneak attack presents itself.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 56
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:16:00 AM
While the clever ask, "When did you last beat your wife and how badly," the discerning don't ask or respond to that.

I find it so interesting how Trump, this supposedly incompetent nincompoop, has so many so riled up.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:37:32 AM
#57, from my point of view there is no supposition regarding Trumps proclivity towards nincompoopery. I am not necessarily riled up as much as I am at times amazed at the things this guy says. And another emotion he instills in me is fear... Yes fear that he could actually get elected to our highest office.
 memtoo
Joined: 6/2/2016
Msg: 58
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:50:14 AM
Why should any rational person be "riled up" that a man as despicable a human being as Trump might be our President? After all, the worst he could do is destroy the economy, create ill will for the US the world over and maybe cause a nuclear war.

The emotion he instills in me more than any utter it utter contempt. Not so much fear. I believe Congress and the courts can hold him in check and he can always be impeached. What he might do with the military is of course concerning.
 flman2015
Joined: 10/3/2015
Msg: 59
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:31:04 AM





Even if some are supporting him for reasons other than “being angry,” how can you not see that he’s saying racist, xenophobic and repugnant things and pandering to the lowest common denominator?


It shows that in politics, reason goes out the window.

All the Cheeto Judas supporters can do is endlessly criticize the current situation and, to an extent, the criticism is valid but, the solutions won't be coming from an incompetent, narcissistic, racist, divisive xenophobe who cannot think about anything but himself.

History is littered with the "achievements" of individuals who amassed power based on anger, fear and irrational nationalism. The results have invariably left much to be desired. Cheeto Judas is exploiting that, with some success so far. It would be very sad to see one of the greatest countries of the world in the hands of such a dismal human being.

What this country needs is another Teddy Roosevelt, not a Cheeto Judas. Unfortunately, they don't make republicans like Teddy Roosevelt anymore.
 daynadaze
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:23:31 AM
Alas, we are again, riled up.

Makes one wonder who is actually riled up, mad, etc., since it doesn't seem to be those of us who are being accused. LOL
 AgentNinety9
Joined: 6/9/2016
Msg: 61
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Posted: 6/29/2016 11:47:15 AM
Word is that Trump doesn't really want to be prez but is just putting on an act to help ensure Hillary gets elected. It IS her turn :/ I dunno if true but it seems that way based on everything we've seen so far. In which case, I want to see Trump get elected so they both can be thoroughly punished. Plus I can't wait to see how many Hollywood posers will actually move to Canada . I noted none of them are threatening to move to Mexico. How many other heads will explode? Muchas cabesas in DC.

Bring it.
 LLove2LaughToo
Joined: 6/6/2016
Msg: 62
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:02:09 PM
Another Don Con! "Trump Institute" built on plagiarism, deception! !


Plagiarized Lessons and Deceptive Tactics

Yet there was an even more fundamental deceit to the business, unreported until now: Extensive portions of the materials that students received after forking over their seminar fees, supposedly containing Mr. Trump’s special wisdom, had been plagiarized from an obscure real estate manual published a decade earlier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/us/politics/donald-trump-institute-plagiarism.html?_r=0
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:06:05 PM
@chinook1111:

Sorm 1
Sorm 11
Sorm 111
Some sites say 80s,I recall late 90s.

1995 or '96, from what I know, is when it became LEGAL - not that that means it didn't do that beforehand. Which is besides the point.

I never said they didn't DO it - I said they didn't precede the USA in doing it, and that it wasn't something they were particularly good at. Hell - I did a lot of that stuff myself in the mid/late '70s when I was in the Canadian Navy, and everybody else was at that time, too. It's not exactly a new idea. There's a reason why Julius Caesar had the 'Caesar cipher' named after him - he invented the damned thing, BECAUSE ENEMIES WERE SPYING ON HIS COMMUNICATIONS.
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 64
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Posted: 6/29/2016 4:20:58 PM
Ah well, the Italians are upset b/c Pontiac ripped off the name GTO from their vaunted Ferarri of the same name. Gran Turismo Homologato, or something close to that. The 250 GTO was a beautiful car, up there with the bodywork of the Jaguar E type. one should look it up.

For those keeping up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM

its interesting stuff, thank you Chin for raising it. Of course, they had to wait for the internet to be invented before they could replace 1 with 2 and 3. Cryptology existed long before that, and at one time, the KGB was the largest intelligence-gathering service ever, yet two thirds of it never left its own country's borders. there was a program in Moscow, using periscopes and prisms to follow suspects around the city. Loads of manpower and honey pots, hence, lots of HUMINTEL since their idea of technology was to copy what they saw in James Bond films. like that umbrella with the poison pellet they used once famously, tho now they've upgraded to nuclear pellets in one's tea.

They have gotten good at hacking lately, tho its the Chinese and North Koreans who make all the news. Why would they be interested in Chump? Maybe it reminds them of the noisemaker they had running a few years back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zhirinovsky

anybody remember the stink he raised? I know, its old news by now. but boy, he sure was hot in his time. he had his 15 minutes. perhaps Putin hopes for yet another Republican leader to look into his eyes and see his soul?

I mean, someone's gotta be able to find the damn thing, right?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 65
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Posted: 6/29/2016 4:50:44 PM
Back to the fraudster tRump:


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) -- The contractor who provided the onion domes for the Taj Mahal casino had to eat $2 million in losses. The contractor who supplied the Carrara marble from Italy ended up filing for personal bankruptcy. The contractor who put in the bathroom partitions had to lay off his brother.

A quarter of a century has passed since Donald Trump refused to pay in full 253 contractors who help build his Taj in Atlantic City. But for many of them, it could have happened yesterday.

"We got next to nothing," says Michael MacLeod, whose 40-person studio made the giant elephant statues at the casino's entrance. "I took a big hit."

After the Taj opened in April 1990, the self-anointed "King of Debt" owed $70 million to contractors employing thousands who built the domes and minarets, put up the glass and drywall, laid the pipes and installed everything from chandeliers to bathroom fixtures. A year later, when the casino collapsed into bankruptcy, those owed the most got only 33 cents in cash for each dollar owed, with promises of another 50 cents later. It took years to get the rest, assuming the companies survived long enough to collect.

Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks and Trump attorney Alan Garten did not respond to a list of questions about the candidate's Taj dealings.

Marty Rosenberg, former vice president of Atlantic Plate Glass, says the way Trump handled the contractors shows the candidate is shrewd and clever, but Trump won't get his vote.

"If ethics or morality has nothing to do with business," Rosenberg says, "he's a very good businessman."

For the contractors, the first signs of trouble came in February 1990. Regular checks for work completed stopped arriving in the mail.

Rosenberg, who was owed $1.1 million for installing floor-to-ceiling curtain walls of glass, picked up the phone in his Atlantic City office and called one of Trump's men overseeing construction.

"I'll check it out, Marty, and call you right back," the man said. A day later, he got his answer: The money's coming in two weeks.

The check never came.

Five hundred miles away, in Ashtabula, Ohio, Robert Morrison of the Molded Fiber Glass Co. was pressing his workers to finish the domes, minarets and other faux Moorish ornaments in time for an April 2 opening — and worrying about who was going to pay for it all. An invoice sent weeks earlier for $1.4 million still hadn't been paid.

Many contractors didn't know what to think. Trump said he needed to complete audits first to make sure they weren't overcharging; he denied he was in financial trouble. "I have a tremendous amount of cash," he told The Washington Post that March. Desperate for money to pay workers and suppliers, some contractors became easy targets for a new Trump offer: Agree to less than they billed, and he'd pay the lower amounts immediately.

One of the hardest hit was marble supplier John Millar, who was owed $3.9 million.

As he was walking into a meeting with contractors to share strategies, landscaper Herman Caucci asked him what he planned to do: Stick it out, or take cash at a discount?

"I don't know, Herman, I need the money," Caucci recalls Millar responding before the March 1990 meeting. "We could lose everything."

Court documents suggest he got about 30 cents on the dollar over the next year. Millar is deceased. His family wouldn't comment.

The stress was also building at Hastings Pavement, a company supplying paving stones.

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Mario Paone, president of Hastings, rarely lost his temper. But he had received only $100,000 of the $1.3 million he had billed Trump.

He exploded one day just as his son, Philip Paone, then 24, walked up to his office door.

"I want my money!" Philip recalls his father screaming into the phone to Trump. "Pay me my money!"

Documents filed with regulators suggest Trump gave Paone about a third of what he was owed over the next year.

Trump managed to open the Boardwalk casino on April 2, 1990, and continued to dismiss rumors that he was in financial trouble, but the truth soon came out.

Over his protests, regulators unsealed a devastating report in August written by Trump's own accountants that showed he had been burning through cash in his personal accounts so fast in the spring that he would have had nothing by end of the year if he didn't take drastic action. The next year, the Trump Taj filed for bankruptcy.

When the casino emerged from Chapter 11, Trump got a contract to manage it. Others caught up in the Taj turmoil didn't fare as well.

Marble man Millar had to lay off workers, shut down his business Avalon Commercial, close many of his retail stores and borrow from friends to make ends meet, according to court documents and Millar's lawyers and former employees. In 1996, he filed for personal bankruptcy.

Morrison's Molded Fiber Glass joined with 47 others in a negotiated settlement with Trump for cash equal to 33 cents of each dollar owed, plus 50 cents in convertible bonds, according to a book by Morrison published in 1994. Strapped for money, some contractors sold the bonds immediately, getting a fraction of what they were worth at maturity.

Morrison wrote off $2 million of the $3 million Trump owed him, according to his book. The company refused to comment.

MacLeod, the elephant sculptor, says his anger has faded.

Giving a slide presentation of his work to an architectural firm two days after Trump swept the New York Republican primary in April, he slipped in two photos — one showing one of the elephants, the other showing Trump's name on the casino marquee in red lights.

"This guy never paid me," MacLeod deadpanned. Everyone laughed.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-taj-bankruptcy-left-many-contractors-angry-074104306--election.html
 dameunbaso
Joined: 10/4/2011
Msg: 66
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:05:40 PM

Trump is THE candidate of the mindlessly angry.


Beautiful. I agree 100 percent. These poor people, when he builds his wall, when he destroys the constitution to make religion an issue, and destroys the freedom of the press. They will say, that they were just following orders, that they believed some other blah, blah, blah, instead of realizing that they guy is a racist, bigot, misogynist, narcissist and you are just drinking his Kool-aid.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 67
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:32:30 PM
This is going to be a little long winded.

I think people who view Trump supporters as just mindlessly angry are missing the point. Trump is tapping in to very real concerns. The left in America gets no attention or media access. But much of what Trump is railing against are issues the left has been shouting about for years. Trade deals that allow access to American consumers in exchange for protecting corporate interests leads to job losses and reduced sovereignty. When there are labour shortages, traditionally wages go up; but if companies can hire anyone without a green card, it depresses wages. He talks about the corrupting influence of money in the political process. He says the invasion of Iraq was a mistake. I know I can come up with other stuff, and I'm pretty sure I'll go, "Oh, forgot this" later.

Trump is a crook, a joke and wouldn't do a damn thing to solve any issue. But his popular appeal comes largely from stealing talking points from the left. Points which make him unique only because the left doesn't get to say their piece to wide audiences.
 chinook1111
Joined: 4/1/2016
Msg: 68
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:10:29 PM
Well if you don't hear it on Rachel Maddow I guess you won't hear it because Hillary won't say anything.So keep listening to Trump and maybe you will start to like him but don't tell your friends.Actually heard a new home super state that he was worried about Trump.In Alberta,that's a first.

As for those contractors that didn't get paid,you have to be big enough to deal with some people.Big enough to not sweat if they don't pay.Then you can sort things out.

Half,do you still believe that Hillary cares about little people?
 daynadaze
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:25:36 PM
I miss Pontiacs

I have listened to Trump, he's been around for years & years, he just yaks and says things that are false & inappropriate. He calls a woman Pocahontas, a grown man saying something like that. He doesn't think she's part Native American on a great great great-grandmother's side, he wants proof because he thinks she's used this info in a fraudulent way, but does he have anything intelligent to say about it, no, he calls her Pocahontas. He's a ridiculous.
 kj521
Joined: 9/20/2015
Msg: 70
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:36:43 PM
^^^^^ And yet...our "Woman of the Year"....Caitlyn Jenner says....


"Donald Trump Is a Champion for Women and LGBT People"


Go figure.....shrugs shoulders..... :)


Gosh...do you think Caitlyn is.....stupid.....misinformed....bigioted....or a xenophobe? Oh my! I might have to stop watching the Kardashians. :/
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 71
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:39:16 PM
I used to sometimes catch bits of The Apprentice. I always switched stations whenever Trump came on screen. He's just always been so odious, that I can't believe I have to see his face all the time now.
 aj17225
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Msg: 72
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:46:54 PM
"Half,do you still believe that Hillary cares about little people?"

^^^^^^^ chin, the posters in here only say they are not fans of Hillary but will still vote for her. Hillary has a very long uphill climb to be elected. She is not trustworthy and her being an elected official, that will sink her right there. We have her track record, something that the liberals can deny and deny but the proof is right there. She is only "available" certain hours of the day when needed. There are so many ads coming that will continue to show why Hillary is not fit to be President. Joe, Uncle Joe, I bet you still think there is a chance that you are going to be "asked" in the future. I'd forget it, anyone hoisted up to be the dem nominee will lose. Now we have AG Lynch "visiting" with Billy boy. Appearance is everything and Lynch still visited Billy? Guilt by association?? Yikes!!
 dameunbaso
Joined: 10/4/2011
Msg: 73
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:05:33 PM

Trump is tapping in to very real concerns. The left in America gets no attention or media access. But much of what Trump is railing against are issues the left has been shouting about for years.


I agree with you. There are a lot of issues that need to be fixed. To start with is income inequality. I do not believe the Bernie version will gives us the American answers, but rather the Cuban or Venezuelan answer. Not good. But if you just look at what has been going on in the last 12 years. From the days of Bush, where a lot of laws were passed that allowed the rich to keep more of their money and ways to shelter their wealth, from 501 (c)(4) tax except shelters, to think tanks, paying for university studies, to them, pretty much buy the whole republican party. It is sad, sad, sat. The republican party has been paid off by two big lobbying groups. In the one side is Fossil fuels, headed by the Kock brothers and big coal. They are doing anything to discredit alternative bio-friendly forms of energy because can you imagine, instead of you paying them 150 dollars this summer for your electricity (if you have an energy efficient house), you pay them only 12 bucks, they will go out of business. So they have been paying tons of money to scholars to do what lead, sugar and tobacco did, to discredit the truth. If you do not believe me, look at the names of the firms behind it.

So the average Joe feels left behind and then they believe the usual crap that the populist usually pulls. Hate, the enemy is someone else, nationalism, let's make Germany great again, wait, it's let's make America Great Again. Mussulini also used the same slogan as they invaded Ethiopia before the war and then the Germans had to bail them out all out of Africa, but that is a different story.

I do not like what is going on. But I see a man that want to do what he says to Muslims no different than the man that wants to do that to Jews. And then to pack and ship 11 million people, in the process of defining who they are, a lot of Americans are going to lose their liberties. The trump lovers don't see this as an issue, either out of plain racism, or simply out of plain stupidity.

If you are stupid enough to believe that He would not do the things that he said he would do, you need to read the truth about American history. We were well capable of massacring Indians when we wanted their land. We massacred the Filipinos after we promised them independence. We massacred union workers in the coal mines in West Virginia when they wanted to Unite for a better life. We had mass deportations of Latinos during the 30s and 50s. Then brought them back when our farms lay fallow and we needed slave labor to take care of them. History does not lie, and history will repeat it self. It always has, unless the bold do something about it.
 LLove2LaughToo
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:35:37 PM

Msg: 72
He's just always been so odious, that I can't believe I have to see his face all the time now.


My sentiments exactly. Imagine what it was like living in New York in the late 80's, early 90's, and having to read about his extramarital affairs in the newspapers every day.
 LLove2LaughToo
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:39:46 PM

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^^^^^ And yet...our "Woman of the Year"....Caitlyn Jenner says....
"Donald Trump Is a Champion for Women and LGBT People"


Jenner is a very confused republican who supports prejudiced politicians who abhor the trans community.

Jenner initially supported Ted Cruz, a person who has consistently voted against equal rights legislation, calls same-sex marriage a "crisis" and the trans community "distracting".

And to top it off, Jenner claims that a misogynist like Trump, "would be very good for women's issues".
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